I'm just going to put everything at stake with this woman, so please judge our placements.

Being lucky I have met someone previous year and currently still head over heels for her. I'm Scorpio with Gemini Moon and Leo Rising. She has Sun in Cancer, with Scorpio Moon and Sagittarius Rising. We're born in same year, if that makes things more easier.

Initially I saw lot of Cancerian qualities in her, with all the good things but also the less good ones like the mood swings, sometimes too sentimental/crying, needs lot of assurement and so on, which I can deal with it. So I considered her a bit of a Cancer, intensified with her moon in Scorpio.

She has Sagittarius rising, which I can sense too and thought it wouldn't conflict with my rising since they are both fire signs. But lately, how more I think about it, how more I realize she might be actually more Sagittarius than Cancerian.

Sagittarius qualities like it's hard for her to adhere things as stability and routines, she constantly need to travel, positive attidude, flew and still flying with the plane every month and not really a homebody. While I noticed I rather yearn for stability and routine.

Every time when I look at her horoscope, I wonder how this all might play together for marriage and future, for me there is lot on the stake. I would love to hear your opinion on purely the combination of our planets together.

I'm ready to get dragged here to what you all think about our placements and combinations:

Some of the names of the planes might be in Dutch, but I hope it's not hard to read them. Otherwise I'm happy to provide a translation.

ME:



HER:



Our composition chart:



Any deeper thought how this combination could be playing out in any aspect, would be appreciated.

Don’t try to see the future based on your astrological placements, you will go insane. Look, I was in a LDR with a guy in Europe for 5 years (I am American) and astrology is the least of your concerns. I would even say that distance is the second least of your concerns.

After one year, you probably already discussed who is moving. One year is not a long time to know someone to uproot your entire life. Have a backup plan on both sides. Figure the logistics out next. It’s the biggest thing.

Your concerns are appreciated. While I agree with you, and trying to cover that part too, I would also think and foucs on what people think of these combination of astrology placements.

The more I study astrology and relationships, the more I’ve discovered that placements don’t guarantee success or failure.

Timing and effort does.

Is it the right time for both ?

As I'm aware, the placements doesn't guarantee succes of failure.

And yes, it's the right time for both.

But since everyone seems to focus on the story, and not the placement itself, I have clarified more in the opening post because I would like to hear the thought about the combination of placements.

It might be helpful for you to cast a Composite chart for the two of you. I've found that helps shed light on a relationship more than Synastry chart, you can kind of see what themes or events may be coming in the future, or how dynamics may shift over time.

Why is that that you have so much at steak

If that’s the case they say it takes two

Years for the true colors to show and do a prenup

Posted by IceStorm
Your Saturn in sag squares her Venus. It probably has more to do with that than her sag rising… she makes you insecure on a subconscious level. That’s your own issue you need to work on..


It would be more helpful if you included the degrees of the orb of each aspect so that we could see which planets are tightly aspecting each other

Interesting this could explain his need to post the same topic on multiple boards 🤔

Posted by ReneFroger
As I'm aware, the placements doesn't guarantee succes of failure.

And yes, it's the right time for both.


But since everyone seems to focus on the story, and not the placement itself, I have clarified more in the opening post because I would like to hear the thought about the combination of placements.

Looks like two harmonious charts

I need more of a specific question/ direction

House placements would be nice

Is there something unnerving you Mars in Aqua? Does it seem too harmonious?

Are you bored?

Looking for more stimuli?

Do you need more taboo in your love life with this Mars and Venus in Scorpio?

Gracias for all the comments, it's appreciated. I will reply to each one of them. Since many asked for more detailed horoscope, includes the houses, I will also post them:

My chart and placements in planets and houses (some of them are in Dutch):

Her chart:

With this complete overview, I would love to hear all your thoughts on this on possible strong combinations ánd also possible conflicts. It's really appreciated.

Posted by pouch42
It might be helpful for you to cast a Composite chart for the two of you. I've found that helps shed light on a relationship more than Synastry chart, you can kind of see what themes or events may be coming in the future, or how dynamics may shift over time.

Interesting, I wasn't aware of the possibility of a composite chart. Were the charts that I just posted also bit helpful in that?

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Posted by ReneFroger
As I'm aware, the placements doesn't guarantee succes of failure.

And yes, it's the right time for both.

But since everyone seems to focus on the story, and not the placement itself, I have clarified more in the opening post because I would like to hear the thought about the combination of placements.

If you included degrees it would shed more light.

I just did, see my earlier post above. Your suggestion is appreciated.

Posted by IceStorm
Your Saturn in sag squares her Venus. It probably has more to do with that than her sag rising… she makes you insecure on a subconscious level. That’s your own issue you need to work on..


It would be more helpful if you included the degrees of the orb of each aspect so that we could see which planets are tightly aspecting each other

You are right in that there is something with us which makes me insecure on a subconscious level. But it's been hard to put my finger on it what exactly it is, while I'm usually pretty analytic about lot of things. So I couldn't still get a grasp if anything of our charts together might indicate of that.

I couldn't find more descriptions on internet what my Saturn in Sagittarius that squares with her Venus in Virgo might implicate, and why it made me feeling insecure (is it because of the critical and introvert nature of Virgo?), so if anyone could shed light on this, that would be appreciated.

Posted by cersei
It’s so hard for me to see how compatible this is without the natal chart wheel thingy. But it doesn’t look too alarming so far. But I also can’t see what houses your planets are in.

I like the sun moon same sign though. That is a good compatibility indicator

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Is the sun of partner and moon of the other partner that important? I thought the Venus/Mars relationship was more relevant, and the relation between moon of one and sun of other was less relevant? Perhaps I'm mistaken. Since her Moon is in Sun, I thought it would only make her Cancerian qualities only more intenser with Scorpio emotions.

Posted by StubbornSag
First and most important - rising is NOT who we are, it's how other people see us. Which has absolutely no effect on our behavior. Therefore she simply can not have Sagittarius characteristics cause that isn't her nature. Maybe she has Sun in 9th house or NN in Sag or strong 9th house, but she still is a Cancer and her attitude is and always will be that of a Cancer. I have Pisces rising and I am nothing like Pisces, but people see me as sweet, quiet and adorable often (which can be attributed to my rising) but I'm not like that within myself. Also, your risings are not in conflict, on contrary, they compliment each other, which may explain why you were attracted to each other in the first place. And also, a lot of Cancers I know are exactly like what you described her, so I have to point out that is their nature. Loving to travel and not being a home body type of person is no longer Sagittarian characteristic cause it became popular and a lot of people enjoy traveling the world, regardless on their sign. I have a Cancer friend who traveled way much more than I did for example. And she's also perfectly settled down, made a home and a family - in a foreign land though.

I appreciate your thoughts on this. We're indeed attracted much from the day one. The rising might be have to play a role in that. Because from what I sense, the saggitarius qualities gives me a bit unsettling feeling. I feel more comfortable with Cancerian qualities, but perhaps I'm focusing too much on Sagittarian traits, missing the bigger picture. I attributied that bit suspicious feeling to my sun in Scorpio earlier.

Posted by IceStorm
From cafeastrology.com regarding Saturn square Venus in synastry …


Although this relationship may begin with a strong feeling of comfort and compatibility, over time, some very challenging dynamics are likely to surface. The Saturn person, fearing the Venus person’s withdrawal of affection, loyalty, or respect, can easily become critical or demanding of the Venus person. In response to Saturn’s critical demeanor, Venus may withhold affection. A vicious circle can quickly occur.


The Venus person could begin to view the Saturn person as unsympathetic, and the Saturn person could come to view the Venus person as childish and undisciplined.

This is pretty spot on regarding affection and I saw it bit as undisciplined in some cases. But I attributed more to her Sagittarius in Moon. But since her Venus is in Virgo, how could I view her as 'childish' and 'undisciplined' then? Because they're opposite of what Virgos are known for, I thought.

Posted by IceStorm
After looking at the other placements, I don’t think you really have much to worry about. She has mostly water and earth placements.. with her Virgo Venus and cap mars, she will most likely be consistent and reliable with you.. also with her cancer sun/Scorpio moon combo, she will be highly emotional and attached. If anyone would be fickle out of the two of you, with your Gemini moon and aqua mars, you would be the more detached one. I don’t think you have to worry about her. But don’t try to change or restrict her social life.. you can’t cage a beautiful social butterfly. If anything, you can learn from her and she can learn from you. Opposites often attract.


I have similar placements to her, I have Scorpio sun/cancer moon and Virgo Venus. My mars is in sag though instead of my rising and I would become resentful if a man ever tried to hold me back from being my authentic self and doing things that I love to do.

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Thank you for sharing your thoughts. Yet something feels bit out of sync or bit unsure, but as others indicated, it might be because of placements in my chart. If I would be more detached, you're right that I tend to be more withdrawn from her, but I like to know everything. I can imagine it might suffocate her, so following your advice, I'll keep that trait of myself in check and give her many freedom as possible.

Posted by cersei
He has a lot of Scorpio though which makes for someone very intense in relationships, especially with Venus Scorpios. In comparison to Virgo Venus he would be more intense in love and relationships. It also depends on their house placements because she might have more 9th house planets etc. going by signs only doesn’t work very well. If she has Uranus or Jupiter, Pluto, saturn in conflict with her moon or Venus that can change a lot, and make her more fickle and hard to pin down than him. It looks like her Venus could be squared by Uranus and Saturn. Her chart ruler might also be in the 3rd house. That’s very mutable. She might need a lot of freedom.

I would definitely consider myself als pretty darn intense, and unfortunately sometimes in negative ways. Regarding that she needs lot of freedom, I could sense with many things she might be more fickle than me. But I don't consider as a negative quality, in contrary: it makes things more easier and smooth, so I see it as a lightening quality to get me out of my obsessions/fixation, so it perhaps makes it more balanced to live with it. I'll stick to your advice to not put some discipline/control in any way and give her lot of freedom to make this work. But I also believe we might need some discipline in financial matters, that's where I feel conflicted regarding her chart and my desire for a stability and discipline.

Posted by DMV
Looks like two harmonious charts
I need more of a specific question/ direction
House placements would be nice
Is there something unnerving you Mars in Aqua? Does it seem too harmonious?
Are you bored?
Looking for more stimuli?

Do you need more taboo in your love life with this Mars and Venus in Scorpio?

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Regarding my Mars in Aquarius: I'm always active, but I'm entirely okay if our relationship would be 'boring', because that would give me some rest. So if our combination would be harmonious, it would definitely not being unnerving to me. So unfortunately I don't feel my Aquarius in Mars (at least, I think) but I tend to be always active, looking for stumili to analyze and think over. But not regarding us, I rather prefer it 'boring' and peaceful in that matter. And I don't need more 'taboo' in our love life, it's just the right time for us to start with the complete picture (as in living together, family and so on).

Is not astrology you should be worried about. It’s the distance between you two and the lack of plans about who, when and how it should end. Indecision which leads to doubt. Stagnation and the lack of intimacy which prevent the normal development of feelings, from infatuation to committed type of love.

Why on earth did you choose to get involved with someone from another continent if you don’t like to travel?

Posted by IceStorm
Also please clarify how far at a distance do you live from each other? I thought you were saying she lives locally and likes to travel a lot? Is it a long distance relationship? As others have mentioned, that would present a bigger problem.

For some reason he edited out that she lives in the US while he lives in Europe…

Posted by StubbornSag
Now that you posted your charts it makes sense. Here, read this:

If you have your natal Venus in the ninth house, you don’t enjoy spending your life in your hometown. People who have this placement are in love with the world, and they want to explore as much of it as they can.

Before getting to respond to this in detail, where do you read that her Venus is in the ninth house? From what I see from the screenshot, her 9th House is in Leo. But I don't read anywhere there is a Venus in 9th House?

Posted by IceStorm
Oh yeah, that changes a lot of things.

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That's why we're considering to live together after some time being together in our houses.

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Posted by StubbornSag
Now that you posted your charts it makes sense. Here, read this:

If you have your natal Venus in the ninth house, you don’t enjoy spending your life in your hometown. People who have this placement are in love with the world, and they want to explore as much of it as they can.

Before getting to respond to this in detail, where do you read that her Venus is in the ninth house? From what I see from the screenshot, her 9th House is in Leo. But I don't read anywhere there is a Venus in 9th House?

Posted by IceStorm
Oh yeah, that changes a lot of things.

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That's why we're considering to live together after some time being together in our houses.

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Her Venus is in Virgo in 9th house, yours is in 4th house. So you need more of homebase and are family oriented. She most likely would want a partner that likes to travel a lot and explore other worlds and distant lands.

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Thanks for sharing your insight. Would the Venus in 9th House be that so influental regarding partners dynamics? I thought the Sun and Moon, and perhaps in less extent, the Mars/Venus conjunction would be most important factor to look to it.

Would like to hear your thoughts regarding the overall combination of our horoscopes.

Posted by IceStorm
From cafeastrology.com regarding Saturn square Venus in synastry …


Although this relationship may begin with a strong feeling of comfort and compatibility, over time, some very challenging dynamics are likely to surface. The Saturn person, fearing the Venus person’s withdrawal of affection, loyalty, or respect, can easily become critical or demanding of the Venus person. In response to Saturn’s critical demeanor, Venus may withhold affection. A vicious circle can quickly occur.


The Venus person could begin to view the Saturn person as unsympathetic, and the Saturn person could come to view the Venus person as childish and undisciplined.


Care should be taken to avoid getting into this negative cycle. It will be important for you to maintain an adequate social life, as the tendency with this interchart aspect is to appease one another’s jealous nature by cutting oneself off from hobbies, social activities, and pleasures outside of the relationship. You may be critical of one another’s tastes and hobbies, but at the root of this is some form of jealousy over the attention that you give to outside interests. Commitment and loyalty to one another will be vital, but also the source of some friction.

I've been Saturn 🪐

Yes it depends on the person but I was not like this description at all. Saturn is the great teacher, Saturn is common sense.

There were times the way she would go about something was counter productive to say the least. Lol she was asking for drama.

I talked to her about it and informed her of the issues of how she was going about it.

There was nothing wrong with what she wanted, it's how she went about it.

When it involved another person she didn't consider the other person's situation and intent towards her. She has Leo Venus. Wonderful woman with a big ass heart. She can be very willful.

When it comes to relationships their dynamics I'm very good at spotting things most don't notice or understand.

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Posted by IceStorm
From cafeastrology.com regarding Saturn square Venus in synastry …


Although this relationship may begin with a strong feeling of comfort and compatibility, over time, some very challenging dynamics are likely to surface. The Saturn person, fearing the Venus person’s withdrawal of affection, loyalty, or respect, can easily become critical or demanding of the Venus person. In response to Saturn’s critical demeanor, Venus may withhold affection. A vicious circle can quickly occur.


The Venus person could begin to view the Saturn person as unsympathetic, and the Saturn person could come to view the Venus person as childish and undisciplined.


Care should be taken to avoid getting into this negative cycle. It will be important for you to maintain an adequate social life, as the tendency with this interchart aspect is to appease one another’s jealous nature by cutting oneself off from hobbies, social activities, and pleasures outside of the relationship. You may be critical of one another’s tastes and hobbies, but at the root of this is some form of jealousy over the attention that you give to outside interests. Commitment and loyalty to one another will be vital, but also the source of some friction.

I've been Saturn 🪐

Yes it depends on the person but I was not like this description at all. Saturn is the great teacher, Saturn is common sense.

There were times the way she would go about something was counter productive to say the least. Lol she was asking for drama.

I talked to her about it and informed her of the issues of how she was going about it.

There was nothing wrong with what she wanted, it's how she went about it.

When it involved another person she didn't consider the other person's situation and intent towards her. She has Leo Venus. Wonderful woman with a big ass heart. She can be very willful.


When it comes to relationships their dynamics I'm very good at spotting things most don't notice or understand.

I think the gist of it is that the two people aren’t on the same page and won’t see things the same way. I’ve been Saturn (squaring another persons sun) and I’ve been Venus in the Saturn/Venus conjunction. I had that aspect with my sons dad, and it was exact orb.

From Venus perspective, at first Saturn was slow moving and cautious.. (slow to commit. We were together for 10 years but never married) he was always trying to give me guidance on how to spend my money.. like one time I found a luggage set on sale for $ 99 and I bought it because I had plans of taking two trips that year. He damn near scolded me about how I didn’t need the luggage, and it was only $ 99.. yet on the other hand, he would spend ridiculous amounts of money (tens of thousands) on diamond jewelry that he would buy off these police auction sites because he said it was an “investment”. He said he would sell them for double what he bought them for. (Guess what, he never sold them) 😆 so from his perspective, I was “reckless” with my money when really, he was no better. Saturn is just too critical of Venus.

The planet person eventually grows throughout the duration of the relationship and Saturn sees it as a threat. I have been split from my sons dad for 5 years now, yet I still feel the smothering effects of his Saturn on my Venus, even though he has been married to someone else since September.. now he’s saying he wants to divorce her and saying we should have always been together. It’s like he don’t want me to move on with my life and it’s incredibly binding and frustrating. In the beginning of our relationship, his Saturn on my Venus felt like stability, and for a long time I respected and heeded his guidance. But eventually the planet person outgrows Saturn, especially in the hard aspects.

I think if I ever see Saturn/Venus in synastry again, I will avoid it like the plague lol it’s such a life draining aspect for Venus.

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She even accused me of acting like her dad. Her dad was a piece of work. I was so hurt and offended I shut down myself and stopped.Fucking trauma triggering and coloring her judgement.

I deeply regret backing down. Shit went very very bad for her later. I try not to think about it nor do I want to talk about it.

Anyway I get your point, I feel like you missed mime tho. As well as let a bad experience shape your future relationships. Like she did.

It really It depends on the people involved. In your case, if you actually needed the luggage that's fine. Someone like me, would want to know so I can adjust my budget for it. A good buy is a good buy. You ex was a hypocrite AND did not consider you point of view or desires. Selfish and a hypocrite.

someone like me would have said to wait for a sale lol anyway. Just give me a heads up and I'd watch for a good deal myself🙂

Once I trust someone I give them free reign just ask for a heads up for things that effect me too. We discuss things and hash big stuff out. A partnership.

It's like If someone on their cellphone T-bones you at a stop sign, you don't avoid stop signs. You watch for and avoid people on their cellphones.

Avoid selfish hypocrites👍

Always remember with astrology and any dynamic, There is a spectrum of expression with aspects. It depends on the people involved.

Saturn aspects are always a learning experience for both.

A positively expressed version of this aspect will help Venus achieve thier goals.

Saturn will receive awareness of their own tendencies and effect too by the reaction of venus person, how Venus perceives thier influence. That's their challenge.

Squares always are through contracts.

Yes, Composite chart is cast by using the midpoints between your and her charts, so you can think of it as a chart of your relationship (relationship is seen as its own entity). You can also cast a Progressed Composite which is your Relationship's chart in the present day (same as if you were to cast your own Progressed Chart which is your chart as you have aged to the present time vs your Natal Chart which is you at the time of your birth). I find it useful when sometimes I cast the Progressed Composite and if I see planets or signs around 28 or 29 degrees, I know that there is a change on the way.

You can cast these charts here: https://www.astro.com/cgi/genchart.cgi and go to the drop down menu for Chart Type.

Posted by StubbornSag
It's literally in the chart you posted. I don't know how closer could I possibly explain when photo explains itself. One house can stretch across several signs, it starts in Leo and doesn't end there obviously

I see it now, when looking up how you can find out houses in the chart. I wasn't aware of the numbers in the chart earlier. So your comment is definitely appreciated. Regarding the overall chart combination, what are your thoughts about it?

Posted by pouch42
It might be helpful for you to cast a Composite chart for the two of you. I've found that helps shed light on a relationship more than Synastry chart, you can kind of see what themes or events may be coming in the future, or how dynamics may shift over time.

After listening to your suggestion, I studied composite chart and charted our composite chart:



What do you migh think of it? Uranus in Sag and Mars not in trine or sextile with Venus, might be bit a bad sign?

Posted by dragonh0rsecvck
She unfortunately has rx Mars in her 1st house and in your 6th, and rx Mercury in her 8th house and in your 12th— plus her sun is in your 12th. I would abort mission and start trying to keep her at a distance. I doubt you’ll make much progress with her, theoretically.


I don’t date people with overlays to my 12th house, but if it’s anything like dating people whose Neptune opposes my sun/Venus or Mercury, she’s probably pulling the wool over your eyes, letting you believe you have a shot when you don’t


And actually, her Neptune widely opposes your moon in a range some astrologers acknowledge, and conjuncts your Neptune but hers is rx… just doesn’t look too good

I deeply appreciate that you're sharing your opinion with me. From what I can read, Mars in her 1st house means she might be spontaneous, initiating a lot and very confident (which aligns with the Sagittarius impression I got from her), while my Mars in 6th House makes me practical, organized and attentive, which is definitely 100% the case. About the Mercury relevance I'm not sure yet.

But I struggle to understand the importance of 12th house in this. The 12th house gives hints how an relationship ends, so why would it be a bad sign if her sun and mercury are in my 12th House (?). I looked up on internet for a better explaination, but I can't find it. Perhaps could you tell me more about the significance of overlaying your 12th house? It would be deeply appreciated.

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Posted by pouch42
It might be helpful for you to cast a Composite chart for the two of you. I've found that helps shed light on a relationship more than Synastry chart, you can kind of see what themes or events may be coming in the future, or how dynamics may shift over time.

After listening to your suggestion, I studied composite chart and charted our composite chart:



What do you migh think of it? Uranus in Sag and Mars not in trine or sextile with Venus, might be bit a bad sign?

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Hello, I am sorry for the long delay in responding. I am moving and also my astrology books are in storage so I am unable to precisely interpret your composite chart. But I would say just looking at your Composite, I can tell that you and your SO have a very special relationship as indicated by the North Node nearly conjunct the DSC. I would take this to mean that your relationship has a Fated quality to it, you're both drawn to it magnetically but it also feels strange and even scary, because the North Node represents what we are not familiar with but are working toward understanding/achieving during our lifetime. I would take NN on the DSC to mean that your relationship is meant to happen and you'll both need to put in work and patience while you figure out how things work.

If you want to study the other aspects of your Composite, I recommend getting a copy of "Planets in Composite" by Robert Hand (you can find copies for sale cheaper on used book sites) and obtain a list of the other planetary aspects in your chart. I have found that the most helpful site for this is https://www.astro.com/cgi/genchart.cgi , select Composite chart mid-point method, and then once the chart is cast, click on PDF Additional Tables which will give you a nice organized aspect layout. Good luck!