Optimism/Positivity

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Jupiter in the 1st

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Which aspects in the natal chart do you think represent optimism, i.e. when you spend time with someone and you feel uplifted and inspired?

I see positive Jupiter aspects to the sun, maybe the conjunction, sextile and trine?

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They must be all the aspects I lack.. Boo

But Leos are the ones who make me feel uplifted and inspired. Love being in their energy.

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Posted by Bumblebebe

Pisceans tend to be optimistic

Posted by Timon

Sags

Posted by Notmyrealname

Lots of fire energy? Sag are the best

Posted by Antiphates

Common sense or classic optimism or positivity has little to do with inspiring or uplifting people in my opinion and experience.

The times where it happens often tend to be short-lived. I'd argue that true, real positivity and optimism can only exist in a symbiosis with those things that are commonly labelled as negative and therefore avoided.

In that sense I'd say harsher or tense aspects with Jupiter like oppositions and squares and potentially Mars aspects. Maybe even Saturn aspects.

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Common sense or classic optimism or positivity has little to do with inspiring or uplifting people in my opinion and experience.

The times where it happens often tend to be short-lived. I'd argue that true, real positivity and optimism can only exist in a symbiosis with those things that are commonly labelled as negative and therefore avoided.

In that sense I'd say harsher or tense aspects with Jupiter like oppositions and squares and potentially Mars aspects. Maybe even Saturn aspects.

You feel Saturn aspects can create optimism?

With the understanding I layed out, yes.

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Common sense or classic optimism or positivity has little to do with inspiring or uplifting people in my opinion and experience.

The times where it happens often tend to be short-lived. I'd argue that true, real positivity and optimism can only exist in a symbiosis with those things that are commonly labelled as negative and therefore avoided.

In that sense I'd say harsher or tense aspects with Jupiter like oppositions and squares and potentially Mars aspects. Maybe even Saturn aspects.

You feel Saturn aspects can create optimism?

With the understanding I layed out, yes.

Could you give some examples of hard aspects involving Mars, Saturn and Jupiter?

Historic examples

Churchill: Mars conjunct Jupiter

Frederick the II of Prussia: moon opposite Mars, moon conjunct Saturn, Mars conjunct sun

Nietzsche: Mars opposite rxJupiter and rxUranus

George Washington: retrograde Jupiter

There needs to be some tension because positivity, optimism and even happiness can never exist in vaccum without their opposite. In that sense Sag stuff is indeed the best representation for it albiet not in the sense that most people would think. Sag stuff is the most happy because it probably knows despair and hopelessness more than any other sign.

What this means in a more tangible way:

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Posted by LostPisces

When you lack something and the other has what you dont have, and you avid to learn, you tend to positive and grow.

Since I met my wife boooom

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Posted by dilettante

@antiphates

while nihilism doesnt equate to negativity/pessimism it is still a concept that is hiiiighly linked & contextualized through philosophical skepticism & pessimism.


im kinda being lazy here though so forgive my lack of thoughtfulness.

i got my degree in philosophy but havent read nietszche since 2nd year of college, over 10 years ago.

I definetly can't blame you. On first glance most of his stuff reads like hateful rants and anger. You are also right about nihilism often being associated with those things but that still doesn't mean that this connection is inherent and always the case.

Humes notion to just focus on pleasure can be a result of nihilism as well.

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@antiphates

while nihilism doesnt equate to negativity/pessimism it is still a concept that is hiiiighly linked & contextualized through philosophical skepticism & pessimism.


im kinda being lazy here though so forgive my lack of thoughtfulness.

i got my degree in philosophy but havent read nietszche since 2nd year of college, over 10 years ago.

I definetly can't blame you. On first glance most of his stuff reads like hateful rants and anger. You are also right about nihilism often being associated with those things but that still doesn't mean that this connection is inherent and always the case.

Humes notion to just focus on pleasure can be a result of nihilism as well.

Are you nearly there as a qualified lecturer/professor? Seems a waste not to be?

Nah, and it probably will never happen.

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Posted by dilettante

@antiphates

while nihilism doesnt equate to negativity/pessimism it is still a concept that is hiiiighly linked & contextualized through philosophical skepticism & pessimism.


im kinda being lazy here though so forgive my lack of thoughtfulness.

i got my degree in philosophy but havent read nietszche since 2nd year of college, over 10 years ago.

I definetly can't blame you. On first glance most of his stuff reads like hateful rants and anger. You are also right about nihilism often being associated with those things but that still doesn't mean that this connection is inherent and always the case.

Humes notion to just focus on pleasure can be a result of nihilism as well.

Are you nearly there as a qualified lecturer/professor? Seems a waste not to be?

Nah, and it probably will never happen.

Do you have a degree? What will you do with the knowledge you have acquired?

Nope, still trying to finally be able to write my paper and finish. When I'm finished I will try to do a master but getting a place will be pretty tough as well as the finances which is why I have been working on some potential ideas to do my own thing because I have never one to well integrate well into groups.

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Posted by dilettante

@antiphates

while nihilism doesnt equate to negativity/pessimism it is still a concept that is hiiiighly linked & contextualized through philosophical skepticism & pessimism.


im kinda being lazy here though so forgive my lack of thoughtfulness.

i got my degree in philosophy but havent read nietszche since 2nd year of college, over 10 years ago.

I definetly can't blame you. On first glance most of his stuff reads like hateful rants and anger. You are also right about nihilism often being associated with those things but that still doesn't mean that this connection is inherent and always the case.

Humes notion to just focus on pleasure can be a result of nihilism as well.

Are you nearly there as a qualified lecturer/professor? Seems a waste not to be?

Nah, and it probably will never happen.

Do you have a degree? What will you do with the knowledge you have acquired?

Nope, still trying to finally be able to write my paper and finish. When I'm finished I will try to do a master but getting a place will be pretty tough as well as the finances which is why I have been working on some potential ideas to do my own thing because I have never one to well integrate well into groups.

Are you eligible for a grant at all? Maybe you could study in a smaller group environment?

I guess there could be some ways and I might do something like this but that doesn't solve any of the problems regarding my general career. I pretty much have to build something for myself or I would end up in some dum dead end jobs.

I don't have a problem with dealing with many people or learning that. My comment was about my struggle to integrate into society on a personal level. As long as thare are many people and no real connections I don't have any problems which why such a setting is better for me.

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Posted by MyStarsShine

Which aspects in the natal chart do you think represent optimism, i.e. when you spend time with someone and you feel uplifted and inspired?

I see positive Jupiter aspects to the sun, maybe the conjunction, sextile and trine?

🌟

Posted by MyStarsShine

Which aspects in the natal chart do you think represent optimism, i.e. when you spend time with someone and you feel uplifted and inspired?

I see positive Jupiter aspects to the sun, maybe the conjunction, sextile and trine?

🌟

Posted by Araujo97

Jupiter in the 1st

Posted by MyStarsShine

Which aspects in the natal chart do you think represent optimism, i.e. when you spend time with someone and you feel uplifted and inspired?

I see positive Jupiter aspects to the sun, maybe the conjunction, sextile and trine?

🌟

Posted by MyStarsShine

Posted by LostPisces

When you lack something and the other has what you dont have, and you avid to learn, you tend to positive and grow.

Since I met my wife boooom

That's good

Do you have positive synastry?

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Fire sign in the sun or rising.

Gemini rising.

Sag mercury.

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Posted by dilettante

@antiphates

while nihilism doesnt equate to negativity/pessimism it is still a concept that is hiiiighly linked & contextualized through philosophical skepticism & pessimism.


im kinda being lazy here though so forgive my lack of thoughtfulness.

i got my degree in philosophy but havent read nietszche since 2nd year of college, over 10 years ago.

I definetly can't blame you. On first glance most of his stuff reads like hateful rants and anger. You are also right about nihilism often being associated with those things but that still doesn't mean that this connection is inherent and always the case.

Humes notion to just focus on pleasure can be a result of nihilism as well.

Are you nearly there as a qualified lecturer/professor? Seems a waste not to be?

Nah, and it probably will never happen.

Do you have a degree? What will you do with the knowledge you have acquired?

Nope, still trying to finally be able to write my paper and finish. When I'm finished I will try to do a master but getting a place will be pretty tough as well as the finances which is why I have been working on some potential ideas to do my own thing because I have never one to well integrate well into groups.

Are you eligible for a grant at all? Maybe you could study in a smaller group environment?

I guess there could be some ways and I might do something like this but that doesn't solve any of the problems regarding my general career. I pretty much have to build something for myself or I would end up in some dum dead end jobs.

I don't have a problem with dealing with many people or learning that. My comment was about my struggle to integrate into society on a personal level. As long as thare are many people and no real connections I don't have any problems which why such a setting is better for me.

I know a few people who work to fund their education in boring jobs, its just a means to an end. Sometimes it has to be done.

I meant dead end as the end result and not as a means to an end.

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@antiphates

while nihilism doesnt equate to negativity/pessimism it is still a concept that is hiiiighly linked & contextualized through philosophical skepticism & pessimism.


im kinda being lazy here though so forgive my lack of thoughtfulness.

i got my degree in philosophy but havent read nietszche since 2nd year of college, over 10 years ago.

I definetly can't blame you. On first glance most of his stuff reads like hateful rants and anger. You are also right about nihilism often being associated with those things but that still doesn't mean that this connection is inherent and always the case.

Humes notion to just focus on pleasure can be a result of nihilism as well.

Are you nearly there as a qualified lecturer/professor? Seems a waste not to be?

Nah, and it probably will never happen.

Do you have a degree? What will you do with the knowledge you have acquired?

Nope, still trying to finally be able to write my paper and finish. When I'm finished I will try to do a master but getting a place will be pretty tough as well as the finances which is why I have been working on some potential ideas to do my own thing because I have never one to well integrate well into groups.

Are you eligible for a grant at all? Maybe you could study in a smaller group environment?

I guess there could be some ways and I might do something like this but that doesn't solve any of the problems regarding my general career. I pretty much have to build something for myself or I would end up in some dum dead end jobs.

I don't have a problem with dealing with many people or learning that. My comment was about my struggle to integrate into society on a personal level. As long as thare are many people and no real connections I don't have any problems which why such a setting is better for me.

i find this to be an interesting sentiment. would you mind sharing your placements? it’s ok if not, just interested in what is lending it’s hand in making you feel burdened by integrating into society at large.

i feel somewhat similarly.

All good.

Aqua sun

Sag moon

Sag Mars

Cap rxVenus

Cap Mercury

Cancer rxJupiter

Libra rising

Aqua north node

damn i was gonna ask if you had aqua in your chart. i do too. for me, thats what pinpoints the lack of interest in integration w/ society.

and i wondered if you had sag... i have a sag stellium & a 9th sun. philosophical meandering ist life.

I'm not sure if it's the Aqua part. I think it's more a combination of aspects that pretty much forced me into a position where I have a very weird perspective on and opinion about things. My Jupiter in the 9th and his conjunction with the MC and all those other ticking bomb aspects it might chart probably never left much room to stray away too much from that path.

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Posted by MyStarsShine

Which aspects in the natal chart do you think represent optimism, i.e. when you spend time with someone and you feel uplifted and inspired?

I see positive Jupiter aspects to the sun, maybe the conjunction, sextile and trine?

🌟

Waaait...aren’t you the one who should be teaching us? You have diploma right? 🤷‍♀️

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Posted by MyStarsShine

Which aspects in the natal chart do you think represent optimism, i.e. when you spend time with someone and you feel uplifted and inspired?

I see positive Jupiter aspects to the sun, maybe the conjunction, sextile and trine?

🌟

Basic astrology states fire and air are uppers and earth and water are downers.

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Posted by Phantom_Dangus

@Notmyrealname

I love him too, despite his flaws. I think he's one of the best writers among those we call philosophers. Maybe _the_ best.

@Antiphates

We got so long-winded I couldn't respond to you via quote. I think I still disagree on your basic definition. I would call what you describe pragmatism. But I take your point about right or beneficial acting over the long term and the importance of not being overly optimistic. I also agree with you about Nietzsche's ideals vs. his mortal reality. I probably need to reconsider him from a fresh perspective, given the time in my life when I was reading his work.

@MyStarsShine

Sorry to go off-topic. Your thread spurred a lot of thought!

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@Notmyrealname

I love him too, despite his flaws. I think he's one of the best writers among those we call philosophers. Maybe _the_ best.

@Antiphates

We got so long-winded I couldn't respond to you via quote. I think I still disagree on your basic definition. I would call what you describe pragmatism. But I take your point about right or beneficial acting over the long term and the importance of not being overly optimistic. I also agree with you about Nietzsche's ideals vs. his mortal reality. I probably need to reconsider him from a fresh perspective, given the time in my life when I was reading his work.

@MyStarsShine

Sorry to go off-topic. Your thread spurred a lot of thought!

Haha 😂 yeah poor stars lol! 😊

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Posted by LostPisces

When you lack something and the other has what you dont have, and you avid to learn, you tend to positive and grow.

Since I met my wife boooom

That's good

Do you have positive synastry?

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