Something strange happens to people each and every time they exclusively date and begin to dub one another "my girlfriend/boyfriend". The way they acted before the relationship completely disappears and it's almost as if a brand new personality is shoved in the brain as soon as it affirms with the title. Have you ever noticed that? So why do we have relationship titles?.... Is that to announce that someone is your property? Who ever invented the term, was a jealous narcissist.
Christians often assume atheist have no morals because they don't believe in God. So what happens if the concept and idea of "God" completely disappears from existence, would that mean good morals & values go along with it? If we didn't have titles like "husband & wife", "boyfriend & girlfriend" would the same mannerisms people assume only under those titles still be present... or would people run wild like there is "no God"?
The test I often put unto women who look for long term relationships with me is, how long will your candle remain lit in the dark. I often find (through experience) that women in love think with their hearts, SOLELY. Love is wonderful but only strong when coupled with the honor & loyalty that wisdom encompasses. Without wisdom, one will tend to make flighty decisions, without considering responsibility. I assume people treat relationship titles as a type of authority over their partnership. I feel that the dedication, devotion, kindness, and compassion, found only when the title is placed should resonate from within so that even when there is no title the candle is still lit with no matches around.
bg/gf/wife/husband/fiancee all these are inventions of stupid insecure human beings to claim their rights over another individual. If things can work btween two people only under the pretext of such a title, then it automatically fails the very purpose of being in a relationship and the trust and love for each other becomes a joke.
I always had an issue comprehending the parameters associated with all these titles when i was a teenager. Kept on wondering WTF does it mean when it doesnt stay true to its meaning. Now I can see more complicated titles - "In an open relationship", "Friends with benefits"/ "fck buddy", "Distance relationship"(which start and remain and end in distance where both have issues in leaving their comfort zone for the sake of building a relationship). And they all call it a relationship. We badly need a WW3.
I agree.... but life gives you tests does it not? To see if you will free yourself, or continue to live in bondage. Not all tests have closed/controlled results. To see if a women "pass" or "fail" is not why I test them, because there's nothing to gain or lose. It is merely a test to see where their values lie, so that I can gain understanding in that person... NOT to put them through some ringer to measure whether they are "worthy" or not.
I do not like the labels I mentioned in the previous post, however I do understand there are other "labels" that serve a practical purpose. "Love", "like", "honor", etc. Bottom line is they are words [speaking of the terms not the expression itself] that give auditory affirmation to the expression of "love", "like", "honor", ect. I don't need to hear or use the word, to be able to recognize or express those expressions or any other expression. At the same time... (for the sake of this conversation) how can I express to you [over the net] that I admire that which u feel when u are in "love", "like", "honor", etc. without using words. Until humans begin to learn to use body language as primary linguistics... we will always be bonded by worded labeled definitions, right, wrong, or indifferently.
Hopefully now you'll begin to understand why I have said what I said.
Too add on to my response to your attempt to contradict me.
The topic is called "relationship titles".... not titles in general. I think you were jumping the gun a bit. I made sure to be specific.
"love", "like", "honor" are words for expressions... not relationships.... though they are used IN relationships, thats a different topic all together.
Most should know my position already on titles, so I just include. Yes it is a cop out...it gives you the ability to remove yourself from all responsibility (well all that goes with the relationship title). BUT you must understand it takes the pressure off the entire situation (from an aquas POV anyway). For a group of people who rely heavily on logic and IMHO take love and life so seriously that they are terrified of it you need to take a little edge of...up until atleast you are secure with the other person and the both of your feelings.
I would love to just "be" usually, but most of the time your hounded within a two week period to define something you feel isn't even close to being more than it actually is.
But I do agree that there are just certain titles and situations that leaves you open for mind fucks, etc and vice versus (not having the label)....which is why kids you should alwas get to know one another first! 🙂
I understand Phils POV and I ultimately agree with him.
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Did I not just say that in different words?
"It is merely a test to see where their values lie, so that I can gain understanding in that person..." .... Yeah I did say the samething. The issue is with the opposing ideal definition of "test". Your definition imposes the circumstances must be controlled, while I feel as though it is to see what the circumstances will reveal. So in other words... I told you what it means to me, but the word "test" and your perspective of it stands out more then my explanation of my application of it. Or maybe it was because I put women and test in the same sentence.
"Should those labels be removed as well? I only see labels "gf/bf" and "husband/wife" being obsolete provided other relationships are also made obsolete too. As long as you define your relationships with others, you cannot do away with the labels."
So It's all or nothing, thats basically what your saying. The gist of what I'm saying here is that I dislike "companion interested" relationships that run before they can walk, which is why I suggest (in my experiences) that I and whatever woman in subject "walk" to see if the motions click as a test. I guess this were your perspective of test is correct... But I really don't see what your problem with it is.... you would do it to, except call it something different. With the word "test" being so offensive to you, I can understand.
"Maybe instead of "testing" a girl, you could instead be direct and ask her how she defines each of those positions..."
See the problem with that is actions speak louder then words. People are 90% of the time aware of what they say, given they have the chance to think about it. So anyone can sound p.c. just to be thought of as "cool". People are far less aware of their actions... especially actions of HABIT. And the actions are where the truths lay.
thank you Phil, i'm learning a LOT from an Aquarius perspective with regards to relationship and labeling them with titles, unnecessary titles that is...urgh!
the labels do not bother me. Its all about how we accept and react to those labels. Instead of mine Mine MINE, I see a romantic relationship as a friendship on a much deeper level. My boyfriend is my bestessess friend whom I like to share my things with 😉 We were always two big goofies together before we made 'it'official and still nothing has changed lol
the hard part is finding someone who identifies those words with being loved and not owned lol
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Something strange happens to people each and every time they exclusively date and begin to dub one another "my girlfriend/boyfriend". The way they acted before the relationship completely disappears and it's almost as if a brand new personality is shoved in the brain as soon as it affirms with the title. Have you ever noticed that? So why do we have relationship titles?.... Is that to announce that someone is your property? Who ever invented the term, was a jealous narcissist.
Christians often assume atheist have no morals because they don't believe in God. So what happens if the concept and idea of "God" completely disappears from existence, would that mean good morals & values go along with it? If we didn't have titles like "husband & wife", "boyfriend & girlfriend" would the same mannerisms people assume only under those titles still be present... or would people run wild like there is "no God"?
The test I often put unto women who look for long term relationships with me is, how long will your candle remain lit in the dark. I often find (through experience) that women in love think with their hearts, SOLELY. Love is wonderful but only strong when coupled with the honor & loyalty that wisdom encompasses. Without wisdom, one will tend to make flighty decisions, without considering responsibility. I assume people treat relationship titles as a type of authority over their partnership. I feel that the dedication, devotion, kindness, and compassion, found only when the title is placed should resonate from within so that even when there is no title the candle is still lit with no matches around.