8th house and death cause

This topic was created in the Astrology Houses forum by DwellingOnMove on Tuesday, October 28, 2014 and has 23 replies.
It's 8th house season. Let's check something together. Does the 8th house tell us about death cause and circumstation? Or does Astrology talk pretty big?
Use this place for collecting our analysis of 8th house and death of people we know.
Example:
Paul Walker : Mars in 8th house -> accident
Albert Einstein : NN in 8th house in Aquarius -> long life (76 years) + dead through internal bleeding caused by the rupture of an abdominal aortic aneurysm (circulation system ruled by aquarius)
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Don't believe in Astrology so soon. It has lots of Corners. Do you have other planets there? Maybe Chiron helps you? Winking
But why don't you like an easy and fast death? Most of people would choose it.
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well, that'll help. but you can google too.
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Actually that was not the kind of talk I hoped to have here. Not your own Chart. No prediction. Just charts of people we know how their death came. Some famous people or family members. just that.
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Posted by virgo24
This is really interesting. I don't have any planets in my 8th. It is ruled by Aquarius and in doing research, my 8th is ruled by my 4th or 3rd. My birthdate may be off by 30 min.
Aquarius there means unusual death, sudden and quick. Circulatory stuff like with Einstein. Fun.
Kinda scary stuff but cool at the same time.
Does Mars in 8th definitely mean a violent death? What if Venus and Vesta were there as well? Hopefully that would lessen any violence?



I always thought Sharon Tate's death was due to her 8th house Stellium w/ Aquarius there, but rechecked astrotheme, and her pluto is actually in the 1st house. Her Venus in 8th, (other people's resources/money through love in an unusual way) Her sun sits in the 7th house. Moon in Virgo 3rd house.
then there are famous people who have sun in the 8th and a packed 8th house like my fave Shirley Manson, and she's doing fine. Lots of leo placements though.
I am definitely a lover of plutonian energy as i understand, and of strong stellium leo energy.
but it's a dark dark place. not for the weak of heart.
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this is vedic astrology link but it's worth looking at what these astrologers say:
http://vedicastroadvice.com/articles_on_vedic_astrology/astrology_and_sudden_death
"Different Combination for Sudden Unnatural Deaths
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Death by suicide:
1. If the ascendant/8th house, their lords and Sun are afflicted by Mars/Saturn/Ketu.
2. If the Sun, Moon, Mercury [soul, mind and thinking] are afflicted by Rahu and Ketu or nodes.
3. Association of Mars and Saturn.
?? Death by weapon:
1. If Moon, Mars and Saturn in 8th house.
2. If Mars in 6th/12th and Saturn in 8th house.
?? Death by assassination:
1. Naural malefic in 8th house afflicted badly with Mars either by association or by conjunction.
2. Moon and Mars either aspects 8th house or situated in it.
?? If Saturn in ascendant with no benefice aspects and the Sun/Rahu/Waning Moon combine the native is either stabbed or shot dead.
?? If the Sun and Mars exchanges signs and quadrant to the 8th lord the native may be sentenced to death by the Government.
?? Rahu in 6th/8th/12th may cause death through conspiracy.
?? If the 9th house is occupied with malefic, death is painful due to disease, accident, murder or suicide.
?? If the ascendant and 8th lords are weak and Mars is in conjunction with 6th lord, the native may be killed in war."
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Posted by virgo24
Very interesting, thanks for posting that! This is from astrotheme...celebrities with Mars in 8th house. Jesus and Steve Jobs both had this placement. Definitely lends to passionate and driven personality.
http://www.astrotheme.com/celebrities/mars/m8/1.htm




it also helps that Steve Jobs has Saturn in the 10th i believe.
What I remember from KRSchannel's video, is that 10th house career, and also 11th, is money and success and power. But, at the same time, it has to be tempered right. They just have a very very good chart. Maybe it has to do something in chart formations, like bucket charts, mystic charts, finger of yod kind of thing. Charts have a special "emphasis".
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The Black Dahla film, Elizabeth Short, unexpected death?
http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Black_Dahlia_(Elizabeth_Short)
hers is an interesting unexpected death and very mysterious too.
Mars Pisces in 12th, her top three Cancer, Pisces and Leo. She has alot of water, with stellium cancer in 4th. she was found mutilated and body cut up according to astrotheme. 5th house Leo sun.
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Posted by lisabethur8
The Black Dahla film, Elizabeth Short, unexpected death?
http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Black_Dahlia_(Elizabeth_Short)
Mars Pisces in 12th...


I'm confused. The link does not say anything about AC and the houses.
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Posted by lisabethur8
Posted by virgo24
This is really interesting. I don't have any planets in my 8th. It is ruled by Aquarius and in doing research, my 8th is ruled by my 4th or 3rd. My birthdate may be off by 30 min...


... Sharon Tate's death ... Her Venus in 8th, (other people's resources/money through love in an unusual way)...
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Are we finished so soon? I mean what are the known pitfalls of Astrology?
1. Person does not know the precise birth time.
2. Database may be unreliable.
3. What happened does not fit into astro prediction.
So Venus in 8th house is (at least on Internet) not malific.
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Here what I found on Internet:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/207413.html
"If Sun and Moon are afflicted by malefic planets, violent death can be suspected."
Now according to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malefic_planet
 we can take Pluto as malefic. In that case Pluto has a stressing aspect to Sun.
Sun Opposition Pluto 2.04 -119
Mercury Opposition Pluto 2.25 -132
This is just the half. Because Moon is not aspected at all. We are again at Astrology Pitfalls.
Then I google if only Sun in enough and I find
Predicting Events with Astrology
books.google.de/books?isbn=0738715530
Celeste Teal - 2009 - ??_Body, Mind & Spirit
... The most serious health threat comes from an angular malefic afflicting both luminaries.
Further:
The New Manual of Astrology: In Four Books
books.google.de/books?isbn=1596056444 - Diese Seite ?_bersetzen
Sepharial - 2005 - ??_Body, Mind & Spirit
A violent or accidental death occurs when the Sun and Moon are afflicted by a malefic, and when no assistance is given by Jupiter or Venus.

So how do we get the violent dead through if Moon is not aspected at all?
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Wait that LG page says, "If 12th house is involved, then the death will be violent and takes place in a hospital or asylum."
Now Venus/Aqua/20?? is almost opposite of Pluto/Leo/24??. As I wrote above Pluto is involved because Sun is afflicted by it.
Then again it did not take place in hospital or asylum.
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Posted by DwellingOnMove
Wait that LG page says, "If 12th house is involved, then the death will be violent and takes place in a hospital or asylum."
Now Venus/Aqua/20?? is almost opposite of Pluto/Leo/24??. As I wrote above Pluto is involved because Sun is afflicted by it.
Then again it did not take place in hospital or asylum.


are you referring to Sharon Tate or Elizabeth Short. I'm presuming the former.
Asylum....well Tate was killed in her home, which in definition, (which has many def) is her asylum:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/asylum
 1. An institution for the care of people, especially those with physical or mental impairments, who require organized supervision or assistance.
2. A place offering protection and safety; a shelter.
3. A place, such as a church, formerly constituting an inviolable refuge for criminals or debtors.
4. The protection afforded by a sanctuary. See Synonyms at shelter.
5. Protection and immunity from extradition granted by a government to a political refugee from another country.

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unfortunately, it wasn't a place of safety at the time, obviously.
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Posted by lisabethur8
The Black Dahla film, Elizabeth Short, unexpected death?
http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Black_Dahlia_(Elizabeth_Short)
Mars Pisces in 12th...


I'm confused. The link does not say anything about AC and the houses.
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what do you mean? isn't it clear on the page if they have it or not. Sometimes they have the ac, sometimes they don't. what they have though is just default if they don't have ac.
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Posted by Arden
This is virgo24, changed my username. So yeah that's weird! Maybe something to do with Mars in the 12th house? Hmm...


i always hear bad things about venus and mars in 12th. of course it's not always the case as i've seen lots of charts that have mars in 12/venus in 12 and they are doing well in life supposedly. I guess it really depends on the rest of the aspects. all i can guess is that 12th is a house of secrets, lots of good and bad happening in there. so when it's the love planet and the mars (the opposites) it seems to be very relevant. your guess is as good as mine.
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Posted by lisabethur8
Posted by DwellingOnMove
Posted by lisabethur8
The Black Dahla film, Elizabeth Short, unexpected death?
http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Black_Dahlia_(Elizabeth_Short)
Mars Pisces in 12th...


I'm confused. The link does not say anything about AC and the houses.


what do you mean? isn't it clear on the page if they have it or not. Sometimes they have the ac, sometimes they don't. what they have though is just default if they don't have ac.
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To me it is clear that they don't know about AC. Without AC I cannot participate in the dialog. Nor can I find an analysis from your side.
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Posted by DwellingOnMove
It's 8th house season. Let's check something together. Does the 8th house tell us about death cause and circumstation? Or does Astrology talk pretty big?


Yes, the 8th house is the house of death, but it has to be understood as death of a behavioral pattern, of a conviction or dogma, etc... not as physical death. This is a total misunderstanding of the 8th house. You need to think about it like the phoenix. The kind of death the 8th house is referring to is not definitive. It is a transition leading to regeneration.

http://learn-astrology-concepts.blogspot.fr/2013/01/8th-house-sex-secrets-death-regeneration.html
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Posted by DwellingOnMove
... Example:
Paul Walker : Mars in 8th house -> accident
Albert Einstein : NN in 8th house in Aquarius -> long life (76 years) + dead through internal bleeding caused by the rupture of an abdominal aortic aneurysm (circulation system ruled by aquarius)

A similar example is James Dean (of course as long as Astrotheme has not adjusted the birth time to fit in):

Ruler of the 8th house is Mars in Leo at 2 degree. He died on the 30th of September 1955 from a car accident. Use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Dean and http://www.astrotheme.com/horoscope_chart_sign_ascendant.php combined and you'll get that Uranus was in Leo at 1 degree of Leo when the accident happened Transit Uranus conjunction natal Ruler of the 8th house. now IDK.

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Posted by bumboklatt
I have Mars in 8th Taurus as well


I don't think astrology foretells futures but it certainly explains a lot


I drive for a living and I've had my share of near crashes


It's mostly we ignore the possibility of dying when we get aggresive, so that's not a good combo

It could be that dxpers convinced me last year that death has nothing to do with the chart or something. but I'm old and dement. or maybe fixated on the idea. everytime a movie actor triggers me to look for their chart, I check the death circumstances.


for that reason I recommend you to be cautious when Uranus leaves Aries for Taurus. upps. I forgot it again.
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I have Venus there.


Maybe some roleplay gone wrong? Some "pls choke me..ahhh ahhh ah..a....*flatlines*"?


Eh, it comes for us all...might as well have it fun/interesting.

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Posted by bumboklatt
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The reason I don't believe in astrology foretelling deaths is cause let's say a bunch of people die in a war or an accident, I seriously doubt they will all have the same Mars

yes, of course. you are right. I hope I won't forget it (out of opportunistic reasons, lol)


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Posted by Damnata
I have Venus there.


Maybe some roleplay gone wrong? Some "pls choke me..ahhh ahhh ah..a....*flatlines*"?


Eh, it comes for us all...might as well have it fun/interesting.


lollllllllll

Virgo paid all for the kinky.....
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Posted by DwellingOnMove
Posted by Damnata
I have Venus there.


Maybe some roleplay gone wrong? Some "pls choke me..ahhh ahhh ah..a....*flatlines*"?


Eh, it comes for us all...might as well have it fun/interesting.


lollllllllll

Virgo paid all for the kinky.....
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Lmao, I am innocent. But if I would engage in such a thing then it makes sense I would get my comeuppance one day.
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