House systems
This topic was created in the Astrology Houses forum by HappyCapper on Monday, March 7, 2016 and has 37 replies.
I have taken a serious look at my house placements and have noticed that I don't identify with several positions according to Placidus. When I looked at what house placements I could really identify with, I was surprised to discover that there actually was a house system that put all my planets in the right places, and that was the Vehlow system.
When testing that on my friends, I discovered that it wasn't very accurate...except for with those with two pairs of intercepted signs according to Placidus and those with their ASC in the second decan(or, really between 13 and 17 degrees). Incidently, those two always occured at the same time, so I can't really draw any conclusions about it at this time. But I'll try, so:
1. Do you identify with the Vehlow house system? Of what degree is your ASC and also, do you have two pairs of intercepted signs in your chart?
2. What is your experience with the different house systems? Do you fully identify with anyone of them?
3. Does anyone know the math behind the Placidus system, or know a link where I could read about it?
When testing that on my friends, I discovered that it wasn't very accurate...except for with those with two pairs of intercepted signs according to Placidus and those with their ASC in the second decan(or, really between 13 and 17 degrees). Incidently, those two always occured at the same time, so I can't really draw any conclusions about it at this time. But I'll try, so:
1. Do you identify with the Vehlow house system? Of what degree is your ASC and also, do you have two pairs of intercepted signs in your chart?
2. What is your experience with the different house systems? Do you fully identify with anyone of them?
3. Does anyone know the math behind the Placidus system, or know a link where I could read about it?
Posted by VanillaExt
Where can I check this vehlow system? Is virgo asc at 0 degrees a first decan?
Your ASC is in the first decan.
You can check you Vehlow system if you go to astro.com. Go to Extended Chart Selection. Under the title, Options, you can select a House System in the drop down menue. Vehlow is one of those options.
Good luck!
Posted by VanillaExtPosted by HappyCapperPosted by VanillaExt
Where can I check this vehlow system? Is virgo asc at 0 degrees a first decan?
Your ASC is in the first decan.
You can check you Vehlow system if you go to astro.com. Go to Extended Chart Selection. Under the title, Options, you can select a House System in the drop down menue. Vehlow is one of those options.
Good luck!
Everything is about the same except that with Vehlow the moon is my dominant planet.click to expand
Oh, so you get the same house placements as you do with Placidus? Do you fully identify with Placidus, Vehlow or any other house system?
Hello happyCapper.. I just checked my Vehlow chart. Yes, some of my house placements have changed..
IDK if they are accurate for me though.
I dont like how my 5th house stellium is broken
and I have Neptune and Uranus in 8th house.. NOOOOOO. Lol. I dont want more Scorpio energy please ðŸ™
My ascendant is 4 degrees Cancer.. Does this apply to me?
IDK if they are accurate for me though.
I dont like how my 5th house stellium is broken
and I have Neptune and Uranus in 8th house.. NOOOOOO. Lol. I dont want more Scorpio energy please 🙠My ascendant is 4 degrees Cancer.. Does this apply to me?
Interesting btw.. I'm going to try out more
Thanks for sharing
Thanks for sharing
Posted by RumiL
Hello happyCapper.. I just checked my Vehlow chart. Yes, some of my house placements have changed..
IDK if they are accurate for me though.
I dont like how my 5th house stellium is broken
My ascendant is 4 degrees Cancer.. Does this apply to me?
Hehehe You seem not to liiike the changes, but do you identify with them? I didn't like some of mine, but I have to accept that it's actually how I am.
No, your ASC in not within the boundaries.
Posted by RumiL
Interesting btw.. I'm going to try out more
Thanks for sharing
Fun! If you come up with any conclusions, please share...if you want to.
Posted by DwellingOnMove
I did.
Chiron in the 4th cannot be true for me.
You did what?
In which system do you have chiron in your 4th? At which degree is your ASC, if I may ask?
Posted by DwellingOnMove
"You can check you Vehlow system "
^^^^ I did this.
ac at the same degree with placi.
vehlo says chi in 4. and placi says in 3. my impression from me and my life is placi is right..
Thanks
Which degree is your ASC, if I may ask?
Posted by DwellingOnMove
1°4' sag.
Thank you!
And also, thank you for reminding me of astrological houses. You're the reason why I looked more closely into houses. You asked me how it was with a venus in the 7th house, and I couldn't answer - I hadn't thought about it. *blushes* But now I have...thanks to you. Again, thank you!
Posted by DwellingOnMove
adding to it that Jupiter in 4th (placi) says I have a good childhood, plus my place has been blessed always.
vehlo says Jupiter in the 5th.
I find little indicators for that. i mean regading subjects of h5. no children. not a good role player. romance afairs are nothing for me. (actually I hate it when people confuse my flirty manner with green light to be involved in affairs. These are people I could hate ten years later too. How dare they?)
All guys seem to confuse any sort of behaviour that is not *looking down * or telling them straight up that they can piss off as a green light. I hate that. Yes, I'm exagerating, but unfortunately not by a lot.
I actually liked my pluto in the 5th house, but I have to accept it being in my 4th. I do not in any way identify with my moon being in the 1st house, but it's spot on in the 2:nd. My mars is not a very good fit in the 11th, but in the 10th it makes sense. My mercury is okay with flaws in the ninth, but it's spot on in the 8th. My neptune is unfortunately pretty accurate in the 7th house. So, with the Vehlow system everything is pretty spot on. It's weird.
Posted by DwellingOnMove
ah, how cute.
yeah yeah I want to be the reason why.... :-)
You are, you are!
Posted by TrueFantasy
I now have Uranus, Neptune, Jupiter in the 1st house, Venus and Mars in the 8th, sun, moon, Mercury in the 9th, Pluto in the 11th.
Saturn in the 4th house.
Honestly I can relate to anything in the 8th house lol it's now ruled by Leo.
This is interesting!
In which house system is that? If it's Placidus, does something change with the Velow system? Which system do you identify with, if any? May I ask, at what degree is your ASC?
Sorry for all the questions. I'm just really interested in this.
Posted by DwellingOnMove
"spot on in the 2:nd"
money makes you happy and sad? lol
I almost feel physically sick if my bills aren't paid and in time. So in that sense, yes
I take really good care of my possissions. Things like that.Posted by TrueFantasyPosted by HappyCapperPosted by TrueFantasy
I now have Uranus, Neptune, Jupiter in the 1st house, Venus and Mars in the 8th, sun, moon, Mercury in the 9th, Pluto in the 11th.
Saturn in the 4th house.
Honestly I can relate to anything in the 8th house lol it's now ruled by Leo.
This is interesting!
In which house system is that? If it's Placidus, does something change with the Velow system? Which system do you identify with, if any? May I ask, at what degree is your ASC?
Sorry for all the questions. I'm just really interested in this.
It's the Vehlow system. It looks neater and my ASC is in 16 degrees Capricorn. It looks very promising but does that mean the Placidus system is not right? My planets are all different now. In the Placidus system it was more me. But funny enough so is the Vehlow! I'm so confused now. I relate to both. I don't know which one to go for now.click to expand
Ah okay. If you decide to look into it, please tell me if you identify with the Velow system, because you fit my very unscientific theory with your 16degree ASC. The Placidus system seems to be working for many people, so I'm definitely not discarding it - I just know Vehlow is the system I identify with, so I'm trying to form some theory around it to see if it works for other people too, and if it does, I'm trying to find a find some form of relationship between these people's charts. So far it has worked for everyone I've checked with their ASC between 13 and 17 degrees(but I'm saying second decan, just in case)...which is where yours fall.
I'm so nerding in on this.
Posted by TrueFantasy
@happycapper what is your sun, moon and ASC?
I'm a capricorn with gem moon and rising.
@TrueFantasy
You don't happen to have two pairs of intercepted signs?
You don't happen to have two pairs of intercepted signs?
Posted by TrueFantasyPosted by HappyCapperPosted by TrueFantasy
@happycapper what is your sun, moon and ASC?
I'm a capricorn with gem moon and rising.
Hello fellow earth sign! What are your dominant signs and planets according to Placidus or Vehlow?
Do dominant signs then change with the Vehlow system?click to expand
Niiice! Which earth sign are you?
My dominant sign is 1. scorpio 2. Capricorn 3. Virgo in both systems. My planet ranking is 1. Sun 2. Moon/Pluto shared place in Placidus and 1. Pluto 2. Venus 3. Sun in Vehlow. I agree with Pluto and sun being front liners, but I seriously don't know how venus landed in top three. I would have placed moon, saturn and jupiter, all before venus in every calculation I've ever made. So that's weird.
Posted by TrueFantasyPosted by HappyCapper
@TrueFantasy
You don't happen to have two pairs of intercepted signs?
In terms of houses? I do.
No idea what interception does though.click to expand
lol Weird! The Vehlow system has only worked with people with both two pairs of intercepted signs and with the ASC in the second decan so far. The people it has not worked with has had neither. This is getting reallly interesting!
@Vanext
Yes, your houses really do change. If I were you I would check it planet by planet to see what you really identify with. I don't know, ofc, but I wouldn't be shocked to find your scorp mercury conj Pluto in the 3rd house. Your writing seems lighter than a scorp mercury conj Pluto in the 4th house, in a way. But idk, ofc. Just guessing.
Good to have you back! Wb!
Yes, your houses really do change. If I were you I would check it planet by planet to see what you really identify with. I don't know, ofc, but I wouldn't be shocked to find your scorp mercury conj Pluto in the 3rd house. Your writing seems lighter than a scorp mercury conj Pluto in the 4th house, in a way. But idk, ofc. Just guessing.
Good to have you back! Wb!
Posted by TrueFantasyPosted by HappyCapperPosted by TrueFantasyPosted by HappyCapperPosted by TrueFantasy
@happycapper what is your sun, moon and ASC?
I'm a capricorn with gem moon and rising.
Hello fellow earth sign! What are your dominant signs and planets according to Placidus or Vehlow?
Do dominant signs then change with the Vehlow system?
Niiice! Which earth sign are you?
My dominant sign is 1. scorpio 2. Capricorn 3. Virgo in both systems. My planet ranking is 1. Sun 2. Moon/Pluto shared place in Placidus and 1. Pluto 2. Venus 3. Sun in Vehlow. I agree with Pluto and sun being front liners, but I seriously don't know how venus landed in top three. I would have placed moon, saturn and jupiter, all before venus in every calculation I've ever made. So that's weird.
Cool! Mine is 1. Virgo 2. Scorpio 3. Capricorn with Pluto, Mercury and Uranus as my dominants in Placidus.
In the Vehlow it's 1. Aries 2. Virgo 3. Aquarius with Mars, Uranus and Mercury.
I'm definitely strange! (Uranus). I relate a lot more with the Placidus because I feel nothing like an Aries and I don't attract Aries. I felt more Plutonian all my life.
Our dominants are pretty similar which is exciting!click to expand
Hehehe Yup. Top three in virgo, scorpio and capricorn is were the cool kids are at.
Yeah, I really don't get that venus in my planet ranking. I have done several calculations on sign and planet ranking and I haven't got venus top three even once - and I'd love to be more venusian.
I wanted to be more of a gemini for a large portion of my life, because when I showed that side of myself, that's when people seemed to like me the most, but I've come to accept that I'm not all that gemini after all. And the people who knew that there was a whole other side than the gemini one are the friends that lingered, so it's all for the best.
Why not check your planets, one after one in the different houses to see where they make the most sense to your personality. Who knows, Pullen is possibly not perfect. Imo, it's fairly accurate, but not exact, by any means. But then, I'm not an astrologer - I just happened to nerd in on it.
Posted by HappyCapperPosted by RumiL
Hello happyCapper.. I just checked my Vehlow chart. Yes, some of my house placements have changed..
IDK if they are accurate for me though.
I dont like how my 5th house stellium is broken
My ascendant is 4 degrees Cancer.. Does this apply to me?
Hehehe You seem not to liiike the changes, but do you identify with them? I didn't like some of mine, but I have to accept that it's actually how I am.
No, your ASC in not within the boundaries.click to expand
Oh.. What placements do you not identify with?
Haha.. Fixed trait I suppose
.. Identify with, Placidus or Vehlow? I did identify with 5th house NN/Jupiter/Moon/Pluto and Venus in 10th ...in Placidus that is. Coming to Vehlow.. I should read about the new placements
I'll write down what are the changes --
Venus in 10(P) is in 11th house(V)
NN and Pluto in 5th(P) is in 6th house(V)
Neptune/Uranus in 7th house is in 8th house(V)
...
I definitely do not agree with Venus in 11th.. I'm more...with 10th.
IDK about 6th house at all.. Its foreign in my chart lol.
I just don't want more Scorpio energy! Especially with Neptune sitting in 8th ...just no... But then, it os said that Neptune in 7th is worst house placement for Neptune
I must read more.
Share your analysis of your placements in P and V and what you identify with
Posted by VanextPosted by HappyCapperPosted by VanillaExtPosted by HappyCapperPosted by VanillaExt
Where can I check this vehlow system? Is virgo asc at 0 degrees a first decan?
Your ASC is in the first decan.
You can check you Vehlow system if you go to astro.com. Go to Extended Chart Selection. Under the title, Options, you can select a House System in the drop down menue. Vehlow is one of those options.
Good luck!
Everything is about the same except that with Vehlow the moon is my dominant planet.
Oh, so you get the same house placements as you do with Placidus? Do you fully identify with Placidus, Vehlow or any other house system?
honestly? i do see myself more moon dominant so maybe it is the vehlow.
click to expand
Vanillaaaa. Welcome back!
Sometimes - the time of birth is wronged by couple of minutes. There's astrologers who can correct that - who can add the accurate value - if you describe them the major events from your life, or - you could do that yourself - through Sabian Symbols (you do that by checking the house placements - by degrees - and the description for a given degree - should be something with which you relate strongly... and when the time is accurate - the description for all the 12 houses - should hit the spot).
Posted by RumiLPosted by HappyCapperPosted by RumiL
Hello happyCapper.. I just checked my Vehlow chart. Yes, some of my house placements have changed..
IDK if they are accurate for me though.
I dont like how my 5th house stellium is broken
My ascendant is 4 degrees Cancer.. Does this apply to me?
Hehehe You seem not to liiike the changes, but do you identify with them? I didn't like some of mine, but I have to accept that it's actually how I am.
No, your ASC in not within the boundaries.
Oh.. What placements do you not identify with?
Haha.. Fixed trait I suppose
Coming to Vehlow.. I should read about the new placements
I'll write down what are the changes --
Venus in 10(P) is in 11th house(V)
NN and Pluto in 5th(P) is in 6th house(V)
Neptune/Uranus in 7th house is in 8th house(V)
...
I definitely do not agree with Venus in 11th.. I'm more...with 10th.
IDK about 6th house at all.. Its foreign in my chart lol.
I just don't want more Scorpio energy! Especially with Neptune sitting in 8th ...just no... But then, it os said that Neptune in 7th is worst house placement for Neptune
I must read more.
Share your analysis of your placements in P and V and what you identify withclick to expand
I actually liked my pluto in the 5th(P) house, but I have to accept it being a lot more accurate in my 4th(V). I do not in any way identify with my moon being in the 1st(P) house, but it's spot on in the 2nd(V). My mars is not a very good fit in the 11th(P), but in the 10th(V) it makes a ton of sense. My mercury is okay with some flaws in the 9th(P), but it's spot on in the 8th(V)(unfortunately - I don't want any more scorpio energy either). My neptune is unfortunately pretty accurate in the 7th(V) house.
So, with the Vehlow system everything is pretty spot on. It's weird.
Posted by neves
Sometimes - the time of birth is wronged by couple of minutes. There's astrologers who can correct that - who can add the accurate value - if you describe them the major events from your life, or - you could do that yourself - through Sabian Symbols (you do that by checking the house placements - by degrees - and the description for a given degree - should be something with which you relate strongly... and when the time is accurate - the description for all the 12 houses - should hit the spot).
Yes, I actually thought of that, in case that would be what's wrong, but it just isn't. Thanks for the tip, though!
Must admit to being a sceptic when it comes to the astrologers who try to set exact birthtime by events and such, because often people don't know/remember the exact dates and details of things that happened to them and I also think it allows for cold reading and manipulation, which is the part of astrology that really scares me.
There are a lot of easily fooled people out there, and a lot of scammers. I have done cold readings(not astrological, just "psychic" ones) for fun(friends of friends), and the subjects were all amazed at my accuracy. When I told them that I'm not a psychic and that I just read their reactions and behaviours and manners and clothes and postures and such in different ways like everyone does(maybe unconsciously, though) when they assess a person they just met, and lured them into giving me certain bits of information during the session, they were baffled and I honestly can't believe they fell for it. So, apparently people do fall for it. And that's scary, because certain people take advantage of that.
I'm guessing you identify fully with Placidus? At what degree is your ASC, if I may ask?
Posted by Jahlia
Interesting, it changes my 4th house group into a 5th house stellium. I never really identified with jupiter in the 4th.
That's interesting! Do you identify with all of that, or is it just jupiter? May I ask, at what degree is your ASC? And do you have two pairs of intercepted signs in your chart, according to Placidus?
Interesting
This moved my mars from 10 to 11 and it made more sense to me
This moved my mars from 10 to 11 and it made more sense to me
Posted by Gennie
Interesting
This moved my mars from 10 to 11 and it made more sense to me
Hmm. That is interesting. What degree is your ASC at, if I may ask, and do you happen to have two pairs of intercepted signs?
@happycapper My Ascendant: 24°18' Virgo but no interceptions that i can see.
With Placideus
With Equal Houses
With Placideus
With Equal Houses
Posted by Gennie
@happycapper My Ascendant: 24°18' Virgo but no interceptions that i can see.
With Placideus
With Equal Houses
Thank you, that's interesting!
How you you feel about the Vehlow system? I know it's a sort of equal house system, but Vehlow can differ quite a bit from classic Equal House, as I think it would in your case.
@happycapper I haven't used one yet.
Posted by Gennie
@happycapper I haven't used one yet.
Okay. If you're interested, it's easily done at astro.com - just choose Vehlow in the drop down menue next to "House System:" If you decide to do that, I would be interested in hearing your assessment of it - if you identify with it or not.
Posted by HappyCapperPosted by Gennie
@happycapper I haven't used one yet.
Okay. If you're interested, it's easily done at astro.com - just choose Vehlow in the drop down menue next to "House System:" If you decide to do that, I would be interested in hearing your assessment of it - if you identify with it or not.click to expand
It shifted my Mars into the 11 house, so that seems right, like it did with equal houses. it also pushed my sun and venus into the 6th house. The sun doesn't feel quite right, it's hard to tell the difference between the virgo Asc and the Sun in 6th. But the Venus in 6th feels right and better than in the 5th.
Posted by GenniePosted by HappyCapperPosted by Gennie
@happycapper I haven't used one yet.
Okay. If you're interested, it's easily done at astro.com - just choose Vehlow in the drop down menue next to "House System:" If you decide to do that, I would be interested in hearing your assessment of it - if you identify with it or not.
It shifted my Mars into the 11 house, so that seems right, like it did with equal houses. it also pushed my sun and venus into the 6th house. The sun doesn't feel quite right, it's hard to tell the difference between the virgo Asc and the Sun in 6th. But the Venus in 6th feels right and better than in the 5th.click to expand
Interesting! So, aaalmost, but not quite. Have you found another house system that does fit perfectly?
Posted by HappyCapperPosted by GenniePosted by HappyCapperPosted by Gennie
@happycapper I haven't used one yet.
Okay. If you're interested, it's easily done at astro.com - just choose Vehlow in the drop down menue next to "House System:" If you decide to do that, I would be interested in hearing your assessment of it - if you identify with it or not.
It shifted my Mars into the 11 house, so that seems right, like it did with equal houses. it also pushed my sun and venus into the 6th house. The sun doesn't feel quite right, it's hard to tell the difference between the virgo Asc and the Sun in 6th. But the Venus in 6th feels right and better than in the 5th.
Interestin;40.g! So, aaalmost, but not quite. Have you found another house system that does fit perfectly?click to expand
;20 and 8
No, more research is needed, but also, I don't have my birth time down to the minute. it was between 820pm and 840pm, so that could account for the slight wobbles.
Posted by GenniePosted by HappyCapperPosted by GenniePosted by HappyCapperPosted by Gennie
@happycapper I haven't used one yet.
Okay. If you're interested, it's easily done at astro.com - just choose Vehlow in the drop down menue next to "House System:" If you decide to do that, I would be interested in hearing your assessment of it - if you identify with it or not.
It shifted my Mars into the 11 house, so that seems right, like it did with equal houses. it also pushed my sun and venus into the 6th house. The sun doesn't feel quite right, it's hard to tell the difference between the virgo Asc and the Sun in 6th. But the Venus in 6th feels right and better than in the 5th.
Interestin;40.g! So, aaalmost, but not quite. Have you found another house system that does fit perfectly?
;20 and 8
No, more research is needed, but also, I don't have my birth time down to the minute. it was between 820pm and 840pm, so that could account for the slight wobbles.click to expand
Ah ok. Best of luck with your research.
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