To all people that have 1st house stellium or have an aspect in the 1st house...

This topic was created in the Astrology Houses forum by EtherealTraveler on Sunday, October 8, 2017 and has 26 replies.
Do you ever have issues with winning and being the first and being yourself? If so, how do you feel if you lose? How do you cope with it afterwards?

A little focused on people with Sun at first house but all answers appreciated.
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Posted by edgelord
Posted by EtherealTraveler
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quit being annoying. people will respond if they want to. you can't make them.
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Never hurts to try now does it?
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Posted by ellesbelles
I have sun in the first but I also have neptune there too.

My definition of winning is very subjective.

All I have to do is try...and I win by default. lol
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Posted by ellesbelles
I have sun in the first but I also have neptune there too.

My definition of winning is very subjective.

All I have to do is try...and I win by default. lol
What does winning mean to you then?
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it isn't about winnin...jeezzz.

it's about being first in your man's /woman's life.

you come first. that kind of thing.

or else you dont feel happy at all. the sun won't shine and be happy.

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lol now that i think of it, i feel "entitled" ....that you have to be the first in their lives.

it always seems to work out like that. Tongue

but it's worth it cause the aries energy gives back alot and loves back (of course, it is with all the energies you have in your 1st house)


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I have goals and I achieve them.

I am a 1st born Aries... that was probably my biggest race, biggest win, lol. I am the 1st of my generation.

I think others think they are competing with me but, it's foolish. We can't possibly have the same goals. I'm a loner so it really stands out how foolish this type of thinking is. It's like small pond thinking, or small town mentality. There's a whole world out there. I've galloped through many ponds. I'm just visiting.

I have Venus in the 1st house with many trines and almost all of my asteroids are in the 1st.
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Posted by Dastardly
I have Jupiter In Leo in the 1st House.

I usually don't worry about such things because I don't see winning and being 1st through the lens of competition. You can try to win and be the best and constantly compare yourself to others, then beat yourself up because sometimes you lose (could be not being number 1 for some people). I think that's a miserable mindset, full of pressure, unrealistic expectations, disappointment and anxiety. It also sounds exhausting which makes you more likely to give up.

I don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say that I'm a lazy or mediocre in my attempts to succeed or be the best. I like to win and try very hard to be the best but if I fail I don't feel bad at all, I just try again and don't experience negative emotions because I know I will eventually win and it's just a matter of time.

I believe that you are almost destined to win if you take the first step, believe in yourself, and don't give up. When you try or take that first step you are creating opportunities for yourself and in a way creating your own luck. You'll eventually have to win at some point. If you never dare to do something, you always lose.
That Sag optimism Big Grin

But yes now that you say it, I live in a relatively sad and miserable mindset. I always seek to win in some way and compare, because that's what I do, compare with others constantly. While I win sometimes, more often than not I lose, then if I lose too much or too often to the same person, I get depression which I have now.

I don't think I've ever won something major really. I lost in acedemics, relationships, popularity and sports. The only things I win in are pathetic video games (which I see it as a sin), and astrology (another irrelevant thing at my age). I lose too much and all the time.

I don't know.
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Posted by VenusAquarius
I have goals and I achieve them.

I am a 1st born Aries... that was probably my biggest race, biggest win, lol. I am the 1st of my generation.

I think others think they are competing with me but, it's foolish. We can't possibly have the same goals. I'm a loner so it really stands out how foolish this type of thinking is. It's like small pond thinking, or small town mentality. There's a whole world out there. I've galloped through many ponds. I'm just visiting.

I have Venus in the 1st house with many trines and almost all of my asteroids are in the 1st.


i also have venus in the 1st.


my sisters are FIRE suns,


and one is ARIES...

so i dont know why people say competition. It's just an "energy" that wants the best for ourselves.

it may not be best for other people but for themselves( you) it's for you.

i think it's because the decisiveness of knowing what you want ...is very nice.

while others flounder around. maybe that's why.
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Also in astrology,

if you have EMPTY houses, it's NOT the focus of your life.

http://indianastrology.co.in/5020-no-planets-in-1st-house-what-does-it-means-when-no-planet-is-in-first-house/



The First House is literally about you, where other Houses are more about the various areas of your life. The cusp of the First House is your Ascendant, or rising sign, which indicates the way in which others perceive you. As a general rule, you will exhibit the traits of any sign(s) that are ruled by planets in your First House. So, for instance, let’s say you have the Sun in your First House. The Sun rules the sign of Leo; therefore, you’re going to exhibit Lion characteristics such as pride, a love of the limelight, and generosity. Furthermore, any First House planet whose placement is within 10 degrees of the Ascendant will amplify the traits of the sign(s) which are ruled by those planets.

No planets in 1st House

Many times, there is no planet in the First House 1st House or Ascendant. It is a common situation as there are Twelve Houses and only ten planets. Which means, there is always going to be at least two empty Houses in a horoscope or janam kundli.

When there is no planets in the 1st House, then such horoscope is defined by the their Ascendant sign or Sun sign. Ascendant is the sign that leads the horoscope. An empty First House means that such person is devoid of any determination and mental-strength. The focus of such individual isn’t really on what it should be.

Such person are usually aimless in the life and has a very un-caring attitude towards their own personality and progress in the life. They are often confused and unable to make firm decisions to lead a happy life. They are often seen in leaving their works in middle.

But as I said when there is no planet in 1st House, the Ascendant sign is read and interpreted. Which means, a empty 1st House can still be interpreted by carefully looking at the Ascendant or the ruling sign. The qualities associated with the Ascendant is exhibited in such scenario. Ascendant is responsible for the qualities exhibited by such person.
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https://skywriter.wordpress.com/2011/07/31/full-houses-vs-empty-houses-in-your-chart-what-to-expect/

http://astrology.findyourfate.com/astrology-emptyhouses.htm

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It's a long term thing for me...I always win in the long term.

If you feel you won over me it's only because you are short-sighted.

Uranus, Saturn, Neptune in the first.

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Posted by Damnata
It's a long term thing for me...I always win in the long term.

If you feel you won over me it's only because you are short-sighted.

Uranus, Saturn, Neptune in the first.

How would you win then? Elaborate for me please 👀
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Posted by ellesbelles
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https://skywriter.wordpress.com/2011/07/31/full-houses-vs-empty-houses-in-your-chart-what-to-expect/

http://astrology.findyourfate.com/astrology-emptyhouses.htm

This is why you and I read each other's posts and our opinions differ so much.

I have an empty 4th and 7th house....lol
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but weirdly sometimes i agree with you,

although at times i dont. lol like how you go about with your partnership/relationshp with your cappy man...

it's just too different. not my style or flavour. but i respect other people's way of life, (it's just not for me) lol



edit - i have an EMPTY 7th.


but i notice with my packed 1st house, i express or give out my opposite energies, get it??

so i want to have the relationship, but on a deeper level, so i love the libra relationship style which calls out the Mars/Pluto men after me...

they come running. lol

(annnnnndddd i got what i want, and happily yay!!) i love my 1st house.
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and if you notice...

those with packed 7th,


will call out, the energies of the Libra/Venusian type of men/women.


look at Aries sun/Taurus venus/ Scorpio moon Warren Beatty. 7th house sun.

he was a womanizer, but the woman he made him settle down is a Libra moon, (she has libra in personal planets)


or a libra feel....she does have jupiter libra...

and gemini sun, which could be libra/venus decan.

https://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Annette_Bening





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i think maybe Alyssa has a better handle on it, to explain.

cause her husband is Aries rising and he wants the Libra type of woman 7th house.

and she said her husband is 7th house dominant. so it gets her energies.



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Posted by lisabethur8
Posted by ellesbelles
Posted by lisabethur8
https://skywriter.wordpress.com/2011/07/31/full-houses-vs-empty-houses-in-your-chart-what-to-expect/

http://astrology.findyourfate.com/astrology-emptyhouses.htm

This is why you and I read each other's posts and our opinions differ so much.

I have an empty 4th and 7th house....lol
but weirdly sometimes i agree with you,

although at times i dont. lol like how you go about with your partnership/relationshp with your cappy man...

it's just too different. not my style or flavour. but i respect other people's way of life, (it's just not for me) lol



edit - i have an EMPTY 7th.


but i notice with my packed 1st house, i express or give out my opposite energies, get it??

so i want to have the relationship, but on a deeper level, so i love the libra relationship style which calls out the Mars/Pluto men after me...

they come running. lol

(annnnnndddd i got what i want, and happily yay!!) i love my 1st house.
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So 1st housers attract Mars/Pluto people and give out 7th house vibes?
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Posted by Damnata
It's a long term thing for me...I always win in the long term.

If you feel you won over me it's only because you are short-sighted.

Uranus, Saturn, Neptune in the first.

this sounds super arrogant to me. lmao

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That's cuz you think it's about being better than someone.
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Posted by ellesbelles
so.....@OP

as you can see, the answer depends on *which* planets are in that 1st house.

I seen a lot of different perceptions of 'winning' and they all seem very close to the planet that lives there.....

my sun and neptune - is all about the about the effort and experience.....very leo and pisces

lisa's venus - is about feeling 'first' in relationships

damnata's saturn - is about long term strategy

....and I haven't read through the entire thread so I can't recall from memory everyone else's response.
I think I apply to all of them in a sense.

I have Sun, Neptune and Mercury in 1st house, and I just want to excel in everything possible. I want to win in acedemics (Getting As), I want to win in relationships (Getting the best girlfriend or even A girlfriend), I want to win in charisma as well as just any clubs I join in regards to leadership or oratorical based activities.

I want to be the best. That's my definition of winning imo. Damnata's Saturn kind of relates to me since I can muster all the patience I have if I can clearly see that I can win in the end, which I can't see at all that I'll win, so I get impatient and try to fix my mistakes.

Edit: So far I see Sun, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune placements in the 1st house and they all have diverse meanings in what it means to win. It's strange though, I'm the only Mercury 1st houser and my defintion of winning sounds like Mars?
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Posted by ellesbelles
Posted by EtherealTraveler
Posted by ellesbelles
so.....@OP

as you can see, the answer depends on *which* planets are in that 1st house.

I seen a lot of different perceptions of 'winning' and they all seem very close to the planet that lives there.....

my sun and neptune - is all about the about the effort and experience.....very leo and pisces

lisa's venus - is about feeling 'first' in relationships

damnata's saturn - is about long term strategy

....and I haven't read through the entire thread so I can't recall from memory everyone else's response.
I think I apply to all of them in a sense.

I have Sun, Neptune and Mercury in 1st house, and I just want to excel in everything possible. I want to win in acedemics (Getting As), I want to win in relationships (Getting the best girlfriend or even A girlfriend), I want to win in charisma as well as just any clubs I join in regards to leadership or oratorical based activities.

I want to be the best. That's my definition of winning imo. Damnata's Saturn kind of relates to me since I can muster all the patience I have if I can clearly see that I can win in the end, which I can't see at all that I'll win, so I get impatient and try to fix my mistakes.
but the only true grace to winning is knowing how to deal with loss.

putting too much emphasis on winning just sets you up to fail.
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When loss becomes a routine it gets sickening and depressing and such.

Which is what happened. I get depression because I can't god damn win someone else. They seem to outclass me completely. What else can I do then?
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Posted by lisabethur8
Posted by ellesbelles
Posted by lisabethur8
https://skywriter.wordpress.com/2011/07/31/full-houses-vs-empty-houses-in-your-chart-what-to-expect/

http://astrology.findyourfate.com/astrology-emptyhouses.htm

This is why you and I read each other's posts and our opinions differ so much.

I have an empty 4th and 7th house....lol
but weirdly sometimes i agree with you,

although at times i dont. lol like how you go about with your partnership/relationshp with your cappy man...

it's just too different. not my style or flavour. but i respect other people's way of life, (it's just not for me) lol



edit - i have an EMPTY 7th.


but i notice with my packed 1st house, i express or give out my opposite energies, get it??

so i want to have the relationship, but on a deeper level, so i love the libra relationship style which calls out the Mars/Pluto men after me...

they come running. lol

(annnnnndddd i got what i want, and happily yay!!) i love my 1st house.
So 1st housers attract Mars/Pluto people and give out 7th house vibes?
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dunno but it's always been that way with me. lol



what about yourself?
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Posted by lisabethur8
Posted by VenusAquarius
I have goals and I achieve them.

I am a 1st born Aries... that was probably my biggest race, biggest win, lol. I am the 1st of my generation.

I think others think they are competing with me but, it's foolish. We can't possibly have the same goals. I'm a loner so it really stands out how foolish this type of thinking is. It's like small pond thinking, or small town mentality. There's a whole world out there. I've galloped through many ponds. I'm just visiting.

I have Venus in the 1st house with many trines and almost all of my asteroids are in the 1st.


i also have venus in the 1st.


my sisters are FIRE suns,


and one is ARIES...

so i dont know why people say competition. It's just an "energy" that wants the best for ourselves.

it may not be best for other people but for themselves( you) it's for you.

i think it's because the decisiveness of knowing what you want ...is very nice.

while others flounder around. maybe that's why.
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I think there are alot of astrological differential factors... Planet, Sign, Aspects, Ascendant...

Extrapolating on my original post....

I threw my hat in for a promotional opportunity at a job. There was a female co-worker that had previously discussed her desires for promotion and had observed and commented on other promotions around us. I sensed that she saw me as competition and quite naturally so, I was the team lead. I had been with the company for a much longer period of time and knew all the trappings.

She was a divorced, materislistic, empty-nester. My husband and supervisor were motivating me. I thinks she was motivated by class, status.

We were not selected, as I knew we wouldn't be.

But the same week I was chosen by a larger more prestigous well known company in a major city. I would leave a mark on the phony selection process. It was intentional as I am rebellous towards social injustice. How did I not get selected by my present company but, selected for a more prestgous one the same week? Everyone would know and understand. The company that selected me had a stringent selection process... three days with a submittal of a work-product exercise.

As I was training her as usual, she wasn't paying attention. I was fast-forward speed training her because I was leaving and wanted her to do well. I did not tell anyone I was leaving and to get her attention I finally told her so I could make her pay attention to all the knowledge I was sharing.

When I did tell her about my promotion, tears flooded her eyes but they did not fall. And, she kept an awkward smile on her face with her water logged eyes.

She saw me as competition. Made a point to tell me how high she ranked in the selection process and all. I only compete with myself... I study, perfect my skills, practice interview with companies I has no intention of working for....

My perspective was wider than hers on all fronts.... Venus Aquarius... I had my own independent plan. My example is work-related... Capricorn Ascendant.

I dont want to win little wars with no real consequence or relevance in the grand scheme of life... I win the battle for me and sometimes others... to pave the way... Venus Aquarius with Pallas, Juno, Lilith, and Ceres in the 1st.
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i have Mars at home in 1st house. good enough to make me assertive and go compete.

my other planet there is Venus.
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I have Venus Jupiter, and Chiron in the 1st house.

I tend to figure out a way to come out on top more then not, and just chose to let someone go ahead of me.
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I have sun, jupiter and chiron in the 1st house in Cancer.

I'm not overly concerned with winning. All of my best friends are Aries and Scorpios, watching them at each other's throats always draws a hearty chuckle out of me.

Being true to myself and individualistic is important to me, maybe to a fault. I take issue to those

who base their values and opinions around what other people think.

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Posted by EtherealTraveler
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so.....@OP

as you can see, the answer depends on *which* planets are in that 1st house.

I seen a lot of different perceptions of 'winning' and they all seem very close to the planet that lives there.....

my sun and neptune - is all about the about the effort and experience.....very leo and pisces

lisa's venus - is about feeling 'first' in relationships

damnata's saturn - is about long term strategy

....and I haven't read through the entire thread so I can't recall from memory everyone else's response.
I think I apply to all of them in a sense.

I have Sun, Neptune and Mercury in 1st house, and I just want to excel in everything possible. I want to win in acedemics (Getting As), I want to win in relationships (Getting the best girlfriend or even A girlfriend), I want to win in charisma as well as just any clubs I join in regards to leadership or oratorical based activities.

I want to be the best. That's my definition of winning imo. Damnata's Saturn kind of relates to me since I can muster all the patience I have if I can clearly see that I can win in the end, which I can't see at all that I'll win, so I get impatient and try to fix my mistakes.
but the only true grace to winning is knowing how to deal with loss.

putting too much emphasis on winning just sets you up to fail.
When loss becomes a routine it gets sickening and depressing and such.

Which is what happened. I get depression because I can't god damn win someone else. They seem to outclass me completely. What else can I do then?
stop looking at people as things to 'win'. it doesn't work that way.
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it doesn't. i agree...it's just a cardinal house.


so cardinal....it jump starts, it has to move.
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