alcoholism

This topic was created in the Astrology forum by bakedbaby on Thursday, August 15, 2013 and has 30 replies.
A dear friend of mine attends counseling for alcohol. Her mentor told her that from years of going in and out of jail, also now being a mentor to those who suffer from addictions. She mostly saw that Scorpios, Libras and Gemini's are the signs she saw again and again. I wonder why these sign??? She felt crazy and better at the same time knowing she is a Scorpio sun, Gemini moon, and asc in libra. Any thoughts?
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Posted by tiziani
I've known a Scorpio addict, and I know a Libra working in financial services that hits all the recreational drugs hard. I forgot what the chart aspect was that makes someone more susceptible to taking shortcuts and abusing drugs, but I remember an Aries I knew that had it in her chart (and it was true).


hmm interesting I'd like to know more about the chart aspects.
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Posted by tiziani
I'll look it up, I can't remember. But we can be sure Neptune is involved somewhere in the script.

ok thanks!
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I'm surprised about the Libras! Gemini and Scorpio I can def see. Pisces too.
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Posted by tiziani
Ok so it seems the chief culprit for alcoholism in particular is Neptune opposite Moon.
Any hard aspects between a person's Neptune and either Moon or Mercury will create the opening for looking to alcohol and substance abuse as an escape from emotional problems.
But Jupiter can factor in too. I know Don Johnson on here says Sagittarius are more likely to be crack addicts in the street in their life goes wrong.

On the Gemini thing.... apparently Venus in Taurus (which obviously Gemini is one of a handful of Sun that can have this placement in their chart) square Saturn can also lead to alcoholism/ a love of wine in excess. According to here: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080808122733AAPLnSN

ok! I'm goning to have to get info so I can try and figure whether or not these are placement indicated in her chart. Thanks again
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Posted by geminicandle
I can't be sure. I am a Gemini and sometimes I think I am an alcoholic, lol. I have never done drugs though. Besides legit rx's.

yeh I def have thought that before as well. Mainly in my early twenties. But being so close to her and knowing what she's going thru now. I see the major diff. Where as eventually me stopping the partying was not over night but I never had multiple DUI nor did it effect my job!
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Posted by bakedbaby
A dear friend of mine attends counseling for alcohol. Her mentor told her that from years of going in and out of jail, also now being a mentor to those who suffer from addictions.
She mostly saw that Scorpios, Libras and Gemini's are the signs she saw again and again.


That sounds about right, actually.
Nearly every Gemini I've known personally, has an appetite for alcohol and goes overboard with it--even those not dependent on the bottle are "problem drinkers" to some extent. Fortunately most are also fun happy drunks.
The Libran addicts are predominantly male in my experience. 2 Libra guys I've been friends with since high school both got addicted to heroin in their early twenties, abused numerous other drugs all the while and kept it up for years.
One was arrested & attended mandatory rehab following a 2 yr sentence; the other entered treatment after his family intervened & gave him an ultimatum...which happened twice, given his relapse.
Coincidentally I also know 2 "recovering" Scorpio addicts(a guy & girl respectively). Both quit shooting dope with the help of rehab, yet they use other drugs to a far lesser extent nowadays.
Personally I've dabbled a lot--never tried crack, meth or inhalants. Used to pop painkillers regularly but not to the extent of dependence/addiction.
I'm eternally glad I didn't get hooked or O'D on the various substances I experimented with and ultimately have no regrets, yet I acknowledge this is reckless high-risk behavior.
Lastly, given my perspective I want to add that alcohol's side-effects and intoxicant strength are monumental. In contrast to any backlash following the use of other substances, booze hangovers are the worst by a longshot. Even when I mixed drugs or ingested more than I should've, the physical ramifications were nonexistent compared to the pain of a hangover. LOL seriously though.
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your right hangovers are hell!! Thanks for the response, this is all kinda new to me. And any input is appreciated dearly smile
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Sun Conjunction Mercury 4.08 422
Sun Conjunction Saturn 5.56 68
Sun Sextile Neptune 3.26 34
Sun Conjunction Pluto 0.59 397
Moon Opposition Uranus 5.49 -85
Mercury Sextile Neptune 0.42 165
Mercury Conjunction Pluto 3.10 246
Mercury Conjunction Ascendant 7.58 65
Mercury Square Midheaven 4.50 -16
Venus Conjunction Mars 0.37 244
Venus Square Jupiter 3.32 -37
Mars Square Jupiter 4.09 -51
Jupiter Conjunction Uranus 3.48 298
Saturn Conjunction Pluto 6.55 62
Neptune Sextile Pluto 2.28 23
These her aspects
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Posted by tiziani
Incidentally, what's her rising sign?

Libra
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Posted by CluelessCancer
I seriously don't know what i would do if i had babies and they became drug addicts or alcoholic, like what a waste of space and 9 months in the womb for all that bs, damn parents have it hard.


LMAO
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Posted by tiziani
Posted by bakedbaby
Posted by tiziani
Incidentally, what's her rising sign?

Libra


So Venus is her chart ruling planet. I'm still not clear as to just how much influence a chart ruler has on the overall person but her Venus is square Jupiter. She has trouble finding the "no more" switch when she indulges in a pleasurable thing.
That doesn't account for the "good thing" being drugs or alcohol. Maybe the sextiles with Neptune do. personally I think sextile is a rather easy and weak aspect to have with Neptune but if you enter the details at a more comprehensive site like astro.com you might get more aspects.
If you used cafeastrology they tend to miss out a lot of aspects.
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Hmm ok this makes sense. I did look up her chart on cafe I'lll have to go on the other site you mentioned. She has said to me she doesn't know how to say no once she started. I know a lot of what she has going on is caring a lot about what ppl think of her. She think part of having a social life is going out and drinking. I'm now trying to get her into more day time activities like hiking and DIY projects. Anyway thx for your response smile
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Posted by CluelessCancer
I seriously don't know what i would do if i had babies and they became drug addicts or alcoholic, like what a waste of space and 9 months in the womb for all that bs, damn parents have it hard.


I've thought a lot about this b4. Not so much an addict or alcoholic even but even mental disorder or handicapped some way. This is part of the reason I don't want kids. You can do your best to raise them "right" but there is always so outside influence that effects them. Especially now everything
Online, seems hard to keep up with...
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Posted by filipinoprince
i might be too lazy to followup on this but look at their 4 pillars (google it)
looks for a rat and rooster animals BESIDE each other.
This Destruction relationship relates to alcohol or alcohol abuse. People with this type of Destruction in their chart are not able to face up to their problems so they tend to abuse alcohol.
http://lizamlee.com/efengshui/destructions_codes.htm


Hmm thx ill have to look at the link a little later smile
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Posted by Jahlia
Posted by tiziani
Posted by bakedbaby
Posted by tiziani
Incidentally, what's her rising sign?

Libra


So Venus is her chart ruling planet. I'm still not clear as to just how much influence a chart ruler has on the overall person but her Venus is square Jupiter. She has trouble finding the "no more" switch when she indulges in a pleasurable thing.
That doesn't account for the "good thing" being drugs or alcohol. Maybe the sextiles with Neptune do. personally I think sextile is a rather easy and weak aspect to have with Neptune but if you enter the details at a more comprehensive site like astro.com you might get more aspects.
If you used cafeastrology they tend to miss out a lot of aspects.


I think the scale of how powerful the chart ruler is slides between moderate and maximum, though that depends on aspects. I would think Taurus in the 8th house(since we only have her rising) would have an issue with overindulgence for some reason.
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hmm ok she does have Taurus in her 8th. Need to learn more about chart rulers.... thx!smile
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Posted by starlover
Sun-Neptune aspects can lead to escapism
I have known a fair few addicts/alcoholics who were born under the
sign of Pisces and lots Libra

Having said that, i live in an alcohol fuelled country, sadly


thx star! I'll have to read up about this aspect
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Posted by geminicandle
I can't be sure. I am a Gemini and sometimes I think I am an alcoholic, lol. I have never done drugs though. Besides legit rx's.


Tons of people are strung out on "legitimate rx".
Your name on the bottle doesn't make it safe.
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Posted by bakedbaby
A dear friend of mine attends counseling for alcohol. Her mentor told her that from years of going in and out of jail, also now being a mentor to those who suffer from addictions. She mostly saw that Scorpios, Libras and Gemini's are the signs she saw again and again. I wonder why these sign??? She felt crazy and better at the same time knowing she is a Scorpio sun, Gemini moon, and asc in libra. Any thoughts?


I'm surprised she didn't mention Pisces.
But yeah, my Gemini friend is back out again, after seven years sober.
And it's bad. *sigh*
Idk why Libras or Geminis seem more inclined to partake-- Scorpios, I could guess, but I'd rather not.
But really... chemical abuse is simply about changing the way that you feel, on demand.
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Every person I know who is an alcoholic had abandonment issues in their childhood. Mostly fathers who were scarce in the child's life, but, telling the kid that he loved them.
that fucked them up .... come to think of it, it fucks up adults too
Being a kid, there is no way for them the rationalize that the father is a fucked up asshole, and so the kid takes it all on themselves to believe that they must be such a fucked up asshole that their father doesn't want them.
Sometimes, mothers do this, but, mostly father.
All of those ^^^^^ people grew up to the alcoholics, or are in prison.
And I've lived long enough now to see what happens to kids when they grow up with a parent who uses them as their personal emotional whipping post.
disgusting
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Well im a Gemini with Libra Rising and moon and I don't do this type of thing.
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The biggest drug addicts and alcoholics that Ive met have always been Pisces. Every single one has been an addict of some sort. Whether a closet eater, binge or purge, sex addict, drugs, alcohol, etc.
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Posted by P-Angel

Every person I know who is an alcoholic had abandonment issues in their childhood. Mostly fathers who were scarce in the child's life, but, telling the kid that he loved them.
that fucked them up .... come to think of it, it fucks up adults too
Being a kid, there is no way for them the rationalize that the father is a fucked up asshole, and so the kid takes it all on themselves to believe that they must be such a fucked up asshole that their father doesn't want them.
Sometimes, mothers do this, but, mostly father.
All of those ^^^^^ people grew up to the alcoholics, or are in prison.
And I've lived long enough now to see what happens to kids when they grow up with a parent who uses them as their personal emotional whipping post.
disgusting


I don't disagree, really-- but at the same time, there are people who had screwed up childhoods who don't abuse substances.
So what would predispose these folks to substance abuse, you think-- other than heredity?

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I didn't refer to screwed up childhoods ... I specifically stated, "abandonment issues"
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Posted by P-Angel

I didn't refer to screwed up childhoods ... I specifically stated, "abandonment issues"


Semantics, p-gel.
Unless you're telling us that 100% of people with abandonment issues are substance abusers, and 100% of substance abusers have abandonment issues.
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Posted by Montgomery
Unless you're telling us that 100% of people with abandonment issues are substance abusers, and 100% of substance abusers have abandonment issues.




I didn't say that ... I am very specific in what I say.
At no point did I even insinuate that I was talking every person ... I said, specifically,
"Every person I know who is an alcoholic had abandonment issues in their childhood."

Nowhere in there did I say,
"screwed up childhoods", nor, "100% of people"
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If you plan on talking to me, and don't want me to get nasty with you ... then cut the crap about semantics when the time happens that you realize you put words in my mouth ... and be precise.
don't make up shit, don't spin anything around .... I mean EXACTLY what I say, no interpretations, no feelings ... EXACTLY what I say.
If you can't handle that ..... don't talk to me.
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Every I know who is an alcoholic had abandonment issues in their childhood. Mainly fathers.
These people's fathers would be scarce in their life, tell them that they love them ... then leave, and it fucked them up.
And it came to mind when I said it the first time ... that people doing that fucks adults up too. However, you'll notice (if you can) that I never referenced alcoholism with adults when they've been abandoned, only that it fucks them up.

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Posted by Montgomery
Unless you're telling us that 100% of people with abandonment issues are substance abusers, and 100% of substance abusers have abandonment issues.




Furthermore, I never stated, nor insinutated, "substance abuse" .... you'll never make it in a conversation with me if you plan thinking for me, to then put words in my mouth ... you will receive nothing except sarcastic remarks aimed to insult.
because it's an insult to me, so you get it back
I speak specifically, and mean exactly what I say ... if you can't handle it, then don't talk to me
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Posted by P-Angel
Posted by Montgomery
Unless you're telling us that 100% of people with abandonment issues are substance abusers, and 100% of substance abusers have abandonment issues.




Furthermore, I never stated, nor insinutated, "substance abuse" .... you'll never make it in a conversation with me if you plan thinking for me, to then put words in my mouth ... you will receive nothing except sarcastic remarks aimed to insult.
because it's an insult to me, so you get it back
I speak specifically, and mean exactly what I say ... if you can't handle it, then don't talk to me
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And here we are, four explanations later.
IDGAF if you get nasty-- that's on you.
I asked you a simple question, and you responded like a petulant child.
It has nothing to do with my ability to "handle" it, so much as my lack of patience for such behavior.
Please don't trouble yourself any further; you're excused from the inquiry.

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Posted by starlover
M, maybe the fishy one has been boozing!
Talking of which,i now know why its called the demon drink
I was at a music pub watching a band i know and minding my
own business, I noticed there were a few pissed up blokes around
so kept myself to myself. This old one kept looking at me so i just
blanked him and then he came over and shook my hand.....not too
bad but he walked off then. A few minutes later he came over to me
again and started pulling at my arm and when i resisted he did it more
so i shouted at him to leave me alone,,,,he kept on doing it so i pushed
him away hard. The idiot was all over the place. I asked to speak to the
manager and asked why he was still feeding him booze when he was out
of it and told him he had been pulling at me. He said that he was in the
bar every day and i asked was he an alkie, to which he replied *yes*. So i
asked again why he kept feeding him booze. He asked if i wanted him to
chuck him out and i told him not to bother and just left
This society is so fucked up.....people would rather see others shitfaced and
killing themselves slowly so they can make money out of them Sad
I looked around at all the single drunken males and wondered who was helping
them to recover from their addiction and felt sad for them, but even so, there
is no way i am gonna let any guy maul me on my night out



Yeah-- they don't call them Spirits for nothing. Winking
And I don't blame you a bit. Bleh.
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Posted by P-Angel

Every I know who is an alcoholic had abandonment issues in their childhood. Mainly fathers.
These people's fathers would be scarce in their life, tell them that they love them ... then leave, and it fucked them up.
And it came to mind when I said it the first time ... that people doing that fucks adults up too. However, you'll notice (if you can) that I never referenced alcoholism with adults when they've been abandoned, only that it fucks them up.




There's alot of truth in that. Even if the father is around, he's working in some kind of NASA institute, scientist or whatever, or working far far away and never around. He may be a good/ a great provider, but if he's not around to help father, even part time, it's difficult.
You wonder if your father, for example ever loved you, or ever cared. But in the end of it all, an individual needs to get support/help and be in circles that will help them understand that it's not about his father, or his father's lack of presence. you can't change how things were/are, so the change has to come from within, but the support of others. No man is an island really. Even if they don't have a social group to get support, there is the more powerful kind: more religious and more bent to spirituality. That also helps from working from within.
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