And in the blue corner, fighing out of Venus.....

Ok I gave myself a kicks ass idea in the "natal sign trends" thread.

Ok, heres the game.

-All twelve signs are paired up and then placed on a remote island. (Two signs per island IE Taurus and Scorpio)
-The signs are evenly populated by males and females of both signs.
-The individuals are either carefully matched in age, experience, skills....etc or raised "in the wild" on the island so to speak so that the playing field is as objectively even as possible.
-The game is survival, the last one (sign) standing so to speak is the winner of each pairing, and then moves on bracket style to compete against the next sign until there is one astrological victor.
-The island is completely in it's natural form, and all factors are completely equal on all islands. Food, weather, wildlife, everything is completely even but there are no man made advantages pre-existing on the island.
-Every factor of survival is completely open. There are no "rules" and no prominant characteristics that would lend an advantage to one trait or attribute, unless those on the island creat such a situation themselves, which would be part of their strategy and open game.

Everything from nutrition, ability to learn, applied knowledge, deception, emotion, physical strength....every human characteristic is either a detriment or an advantage, human and astrological nature in the raw.

Who would be the last one standing? Why? What signs have a decided advantage over another? What would be the toughest battle? How would one sign go about beating one, and then beat another....how adaptable is each sign to the enviroment both socially and physically?

My money would go on a sign that is naturally inclined to teamwork and thinking objectively over subjectivly. One that is capable of strategy and the discipline to stick to it, but empathetic enough to realize the importance of everyone, even those who are weaker and make those people as affective as possible.

I would have to say I'd favor an air or earth sign in this one, which im not sure yet. Possibly fixed water (scorp) and fire (leo) because scorp has the discaplin and work ethic, and the ability to get their hands dirty (morally as well) and not think twice about it, and Leo's are just plain selfish enough to pull off being completely offensive in their actions and as a result stifling the other sign. I'm not to sure how well Leo's could get teamwork down though.

I am aslo inclined towards the cardinals of each si

Oh, and another thing, everyone is aware of the situation (competetion) they are in.

Hmmmm... I think that it could depend a lot on the original pairings and subsequent pairings afterward. Take Aries for example (not picking on Aries, just looking at astrological make-up). Aries is a cardinal fire sign. Now, take Leo. Leo is a fixed fire sign. Match Aries and Leo early in the game, Aries would stand a good chance of winning, but further into the game? Would Aries (cardinal) have the stamina to match Leo (fixed) if they were paired off later in the game?

Beyond that, I suppose you would have to look at the pros and cons of each piece of an astrological signs make-up...

Fixed
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Pros: Endurance, determination, persistence, patience
Cons: Unadaptable, invariable, finishers not starters
Signs: Taurus, Leo, Scorpio, Aquarius

Cardinal
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Pros: Initiators, idea generators, creative
Cons: Bad follow through, limited endurance, starters not finishers, lack patience
Signs: Aries, Cancer, Libra, Capricorn

Mutable
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Pros: Variable, adaptable, versatile
Cons: Indecisive, inconsistent, tend to avoid conflict
Signs: Gemini, Virgo, Sag, Pisces

Fire
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Pros: Spontaneous, creative, enthusiastic, physical
Cons: Selfish, actions not always well thought out
Signs: Aries, Leo, Sag

Water - Emotion
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Pros: Intuitive, passionate, nurturing (teamwork)
Cons: Emotional (compassionate / moody), less logical, too controlling (teamwork)
Signs: Cancer, Scorpio, Pisces

Air - Abstract Intellect
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Pros: Inventive, clever, perceptive, communicators (teamwork)
Cons: Impractical, too abstract, too objective, idealists
Signs: Gemini, Libra, Aquarius

Earth - Practical Intellect
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Pros: Logical, practical, dependable, intelligent
Cons: Conservative, lacking in "out of the box" thinking
Signs: Taurus, Virgo, Capricorn

All in all, I think that I would have to go with Virgo as the winner. As an earth sign, it would be intelligent, logical, and practical. The earth signs' conservative and less creative intellectual nature would be balanced by Virgo's mutable quality. Virgo's mutable quality would come with indecisiveness, inconsistency, and avoidance of conflict, but earth signs' more grounded nature would again balance that out to the extent that they would have very little cons as compared to most signs in this situation...

That being said, one thing Virgo would seem to lack that might give them a disadvantage is passion. But, earth signs seem to have an innate stubbornness, even when they are not fixed. That stubbornness could easily be called "drive" and substituted for passion... And, with its mutable nature, it would ensure that stubbornness does not go too far...

Ok, now that you have listed traits....who's your money on and why?

For the record, I think that cardinal signs do have follow through but not in a stubborn, grind it out if necissary way. They have an objective ideal (Goal/Big picture) and they change direction according to the situation until they reach it. Sometimes the change in direction is an advantagious short cut, sometimes it is a wrong turn that sets them back.

The problem with fixed signs is they will usually hold on to the goal, even if it is sinking which takes a lot of energy. They have a harder time "cutting loose" things that they are attatched too and will let it hold them back out of stubbornness and then take it personally when it doesn't work.

Mutables seem to be a bit inbetween, I think the biggest problem for mutables is even if they come up with a grand idea, they usually want someone else to take charge, or to do the work behind the curtains. They are more supporters than drivers (cardinal) or steerers (fixed).

I don't think any sign or quality has a physical advantage over others, rather they have tendancies in these areas that make them unique.

Fire: Stamina, explosive, decisive.
Water: Aggressive (very when necissary), emotionally driven (leave it all in the ring/on the field)
Earth: Consistant, hard to discourage, driven internally.
Air: Hand eye coordination, intillectually physical (spot weakness, openings, opportunity), fast learner....most likely to be well rounded in the realm of physical capability but driven externally, good balance.

I think it would have to go to a sign that has a high probability of cohesive teamwork and capable of selflessnes for the greater good. One who is opportunistic, but not at the expense of failing to plan and sticking to that plan. Agresive, but not to the point of leaving themselves open for exploit or being so bloodlusty that they are simply out thought if conflict were to break out.

Fire signs would be likely to be aggressive and go for the jugular, but if they were sucessfully defended early on they would be stifled and behind the curve in sustinance. The other hurdle here is selfishness and a hard time with team work, each wanting to do what they feel is right instead of comming to an objective agreement and sticking to it. High liklyhood for warrior mentality and strategy. Not cunning enough to really dishearten any of the other signs, but enough so to stifle some. The strategy here is agressiveness. The ability to perservere intensly for a short period of time (in the big picture, long period of time situationally). It would be best for them to try and end the fight early so to speak. The longer it goes on, the weaker the group will get.

Air signs would be exploitative, and cunning. Trying to show one thing while doing another, attempting to seperate some from the other group to weaken the cohesiveness, essentially make them look on direction while they stab them from another. Ruthlessness and deception is the name of the game here. However I think they would be slow to start, being TOO careful in planning and setting up the plan leaving them open in the early stages. I think the strategy here is to keep the other at bay, but not for too long, they would be strongest in an intermediate timeframe, weak in the beginning, strongest in the middle and weak again if the process took too long.

Water signs would also be very cunning, trying to keep the other team constantly in reaction instead of action. Better than the air signs in long term mind games, but maybe not so much in situational ones. More likely to be strongest defensivly in the beginning, weak in the middle portion do to shifting resources and everything that requires but in an effort to secure dominance in the long haul. High likely hood of being beaten defensivly, too emotional in the offense and likely to get blood lust, except for maybe in a confrontation with Leo....both would be blindly going at it with everything they have.

"Ok, now that you have listed traits....who's your money on and why?"

"All in all, I think that I would have to go with Virgo as the winner. As an earth sign, it would be intelligent, logical, and practical. The earth signs' conservative and less creative intellectual nature would be balanced by Virgo's mutable quality. Virgo's mutable quality would come with indecisiveness, inconsistency, and avoidance of conflict, but earth signs' more grounded nature would again balance that out to the extent that they would have very little cons as compared to most signs in this situation..."

"That being said, one thing Virgo would seem to lack that might give them a disadvantage is passion. But, earth signs seem to have an innate stubbornness, even when they are not fixed. That stubbornness could easily be called "drive" and substituted for passion... And, with its mutable nature, it would ensure that stubbornness does not go too far..."

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"Fire signs would be likely to be aggressive and go for the jugular, but if they were sucessfully defended early on they would be stifled and behind the curve in sustinance. The other hurdle here is selfishness and a hard time with team work, each wanting to do what they feel is right instead of comming to an objective agreement and sticking to it. High liklyhood for warrior mentality and strategy. Not cunning enough to really dishearten any of the other signs, but enough so to stifle some."

I would agree with this.

"The strategy here is agressiveness. The ability to perservere intensly for a short period of time (in the big picture, long period of time situationally). It would be best for them to try and end the fight early so to speak. The longer it goes on, the weaker the group will get."

I would agree with this as well... But more so because of the selfish nature inherent in the element. I think that the long the game goes on the harder it will be to maintain cohesiveness of the group.

"Air signs would be exploitative, and cunning. Trying to show one thing while doing another, attempting to seperate some from the other group to weaken the cohesiveness, essentially make them look on direction while they stab them from another. Ruthlessness and deception is the name of the game here. However I think they would be slow to start, being TOO careful in planning and setting up the plan leaving them open in the early stages. I think the strategy here is to keep the other at bay, but not for too long, they would be strongest in an intermediate timeframe, weak in the beginning, strongest in the middle and weak again if the process took too long. "

I would agree with most of this, especiall the timeframe aspect. BUT, air signs are inherently idealistic, and games of survival have no room for idealism. I think that there tendency towards "fairness" and "idealism" would work against them in achieving a strong unified front for defense or offense. They would be good at teamwork, but their "values" might clog the pipes some hindering the forward momentum of the "team".

"Water signs would also be very cunning, trying to keep the other team constantly in reaction instead of action. Better than the air signs in long term mind games, but maybe not so much in situational ones. More likely to be strongest defensivly in the beginning, weak in the middle portion do to shifting resources and everything that requires but in an effort to secure dominance in the long haul. High likely hood of being beaten defensivly, too emotional in the offense and likely to get blood lust, except for maybe in a confrontation with Leo....both would be blindly going at it with everything they have."

Hmmm... I think that fire and water would fair the worst, except in the cases of the fixed signs of both elements. The stubborn nature of both might be enough to overcome their innate "issues". In the case of water, you have issues of acting on emotions. Passion can be a very good driving force, but also one that inhibits higher level thinking which would be necessary in any game of strategy. Add to that the other emotions... Moodiness clogging the pipes of teamwork. Compassion for their teammates having much the same problems as idealism. And, compassion for their opponents having an inability to be aggresive and "brutal" enough in strategy or combat. There is no room for compassion in war, for your friends or foes.

The strategy here would be subtle constant deception and creating a stable enviroment so that the strengths can be best used when necissary. Biggest weakness would be getting caught off guard, but hell, try catching a scorpio off guard.

Earth signs would be similar in water in that they would be very defensivly capable. Confident in their capabilities, they will likely have the clearest understanding of exactly what they are capable of, exactly where resources need to be shifted and exactly what the oponents weakness is. The longer the struggle lasts, the better their chances get. Tangible intillect will be their strongpoint, deception won't be likely, declarativeness and the ability to back it up will. Also not best offensivly, but unshakable defense. Most likely to have the best thought out defensive precautions of the lot, particularly Taurus.


The hardest initial match up for each sign IMO would be as follows.

Taurus v.s. Scorpio- Scorpios deception tactics will be the least effective on Taurus and Scorpio will be to intelligent to fall into Taurus's attempt to make them come at them. Both will have a constant supply of resources, being the best at planning, so there will not likely be a situation where one can strike while the other is playing catch up, as first things first, both will be focused on preparedness. They are eventually going to have to meet each other head on, both will be ready, I would hate to have money on this one.....who knows.

Aries v.s. Gemini- Aries early storm can be waded by Gemini leaving them in a worse position when the inevitable early aries attack is over. to their advantage though, Aries will be able to see through Geminis attempts at out cunning them. Gemini will probably be more cohesive, but the work ethic won't be up to par compared to Aries. Gemini will focus on opportunism, and being better at spotting it will also translate to being better at defending it. Neither will be as prepared as the fixed signs, but at the same time Aries will have more determiniation, Gemini more creativity in their strategy. Neither will be afraid of a head on fight, in fact....the appointed leader of the aries and the representatives (LOL) of the gems will probably both arrange an old school final battle on the hill, winner takes all. That is, if Aries survives all of the night attacks the Gems conduct.

Aquarius v.s. Leo- Leo will come out swinging but it won't intimidate Aquarius....

I tend to think that Leo and Scorpio would be the definite contenders for their respective elements. But, I think that earth and air signs would fair the best. Earth seems to have a natural fixed-like nature (practical), and air seems to have a natural mutable-like nature (creative). In which case I would rule out Gemini and Taurus as being too extreme for their elements / qualities. For air, Libra and Aquarius would be the winners. And, for earth, Capricorn and Virgo. That being said, I do not think that the Cardinal signs of either are extreme enough to overcome the inherent fixed-like / mutable-like nature of their elements. That would leave Aquarius and Virgo for their respective elements.

Leo, Scorpio, Aquarius, Virgo...

Hmmm... Fire's and water's innate nature to not necessarily utilize a fair amount of logic in decision making would probably limit them a great deal against either air or earth. That leaves air vs earth or Aquarius vs Virgo. Air is creative which is mutable-like, but not enough. Aquarius would be far too fixed and limited. Earth is fixed-like, and I think enough. Practical logic is very static, it is logic. I think that is enough to overcome the limiting factors of Virgo's mutable quality. Making them versatile and open to new ideas, but consistent in their logic and, thus, consistent period...

Aquarius has seen it all, if they haven't seen it all they have considered it all and your not going to be able to shock them into submission, or even questioning themselves. Aquarius will be more creative and opportunistic in accumilating resrouces, but possibly at the sake of being overly elaborite and subsequently fragile. Leo's however more realistic and practicle will probably be a bit primiative, while Aqua is putting too much thought into everything, Leo isn't putting enough. Aquas will agree on an ideal/goal quickly and while not being ones to assign a dictator or strong leader, probably won't have any higher form of rulership at all, they all have the work ethic and the mindfulness to get done what needs to be done. Everyone will be proficient in all required areas but mastership probably won't be achieved. On the same topic, leos will waste time fighting over rulership, as well, commune esque social system just won't even cross their minds. Leos would be susceptable to goading, but Aquas probably won't goad, conversly they definately won't fight fair and while Leos will definately be training admirable soldiers, they may be to rigid in their overall form, Aquas aren't dumb enough to meet force with force, and will likely either weaken leo by sabatoging their resources or get a little ahead of the game just by employing better ideas. this sign is most likely to be able to put the airheaded intillect to solid use. This will be a battle of attrition, neither is going to take the cake head on, leo will try and fail, knowing leo they will probably try again....but it will come down to tactic and gorilla warfare here.

Libra v.s. Virgo- Systems will be in place on the Virgo end by the time the Libras are still done observing and taking everything in. To the advantage of the Virgins, they will be more fruitful off the bat, but the Libras will know more about their enviroment. It is hard to say what form of organization the Virgins will come up with, but everyone can be sure it will be effective. Libras on the other hand are definately going for a democracy, a flexible one. One group of people to represnt the collective and a leader for each individual category. Food, Shelter, Defense and the like. Libra is going to be more specialized in each area, but the virgins will be more solid overall. This is ok for both....

Holy shit, baby! You really went in depth on this one... Can I have you on my team?!?


Oh!!!!! Oh!!!!! Oh!!!!! What if the signs teamed up in pairs? Which would be the best pairings?!?

Doing a quick mental calculation, the victor would certainly have to be hardworking, calculating, robust, self-persevering, yet embody just enough emotion to either charm, twist or thwart the cohorts still left standing...

-Cardinal signs are associated with enterprise and creativity and said to be indicative of a restless, ambitious, competitive, spontaneous and self-motivated character.

:my top choice goes to CAPRICORN
A perfect balance of strength, cunning, perseverance, and just enough emotion, but not too much to complicate things or get intimidated by any other charmers.. + cappy being the (most) persevering of all four cardinal signs.

..however just to say, i do like the charm of the libra, the eagle-eye of the scorpion and the sneaky, mallable, highly adaptable traits of my fellow pisceans. A more quiet, cunning type Aries may do fine, as well..

This is going to be ok for both as the virgoes motivation and moral will strengthen as everything comes together nicely and the virgins aren't going to have any advantage in trying to fight libra when their pants are down, as if any sign can fight just as effectivly with their pants down as with them up, it's libra. Both will overanalyze the inevitable conflict, and as a result both will be extremely prepared, each would like the other to mount a sloppy attack so the other can be picked apart, but it's not going to happen. The Libra fight plan will be elaborate and creative, but it will work to their advantage because the Libra mind is clear even in the heat of the moment, the virgins will be simple and straitforeward, easy to execute, hard to stray from. Like the Aquas, the libras aren't going to fight fair, their objectivity will be cold and calculating, their desire for diplomacy and empathy won't extend to the enemy. Attacking the weaker weather fair or not will happen, there are no rules in war when it comes to the libra. But then again....Virgins aren't going to try and play fair either. Vrigoes best chance is not to fall victim to the psychological affect of the Librans viciousness and Libras to not under estimate the virgoes. I would hate to put money on this one too, in fact I would hate to watch it. While both signs are known for refinement and consideration, this will probably be the most vicious and unethical of the possibilities. If libra is loosing the battle anything will become fair, and same for the virgoes.

Cancer
Cap
Sag
Pisces

these are all left....I wouldn't know where to start with these four. Cap would get to distracted by making trinkets that failed in use and the result would be slaughter, but not after they talked so much shit they were deserving of it.

Pisces I don't even know, I don't see a glaring weakness in them but they tend to survive off of others, definately a scavenger type of strategy i am assuming.

Sag would build a boat, sail away, attack both of the other groups while they are in their last epic battle and weakest, but this is dependant on them being able to build a boat that doesn't hold more water than it displaces.

Cancer would just internalize and analyze the situation until they came up with a bs reason as to why all of this is someone elses fault, god have mercy on their rival sign if they come to the conclusion it's their fault. But they will likely be empathetic and understanding of ide

"Sag would build a boat, sail away, attack both of the other groups while they are in their last epic battle and weakest, but this is dependant on them being able to build a boat that doesn't hold more water than it displaces. "

ROFLMAO!!!! That has to be the best thing I have heard / read all day... Hahahaha! Damn, I love Sags!!!

Oh!!!!! Scorps would watch the Sags fail and steal their idea to succeed where the Sags failed... Muhahahahaha!!!!

"I would agree with most of this, especiall the timeframe aspect. BUT, air signs are inherently idealistic, and games of survival have no room for idealism. I think that there tendency towards "fairness" and "idealism" would work against them in achieving a strong unified front for defense or offense. They would be good at teamwork, but their "values" might clog the pipes some hindering the forward momentum of the "team"."

Idealism is a survival trait. It breeds motivation and a sense of importance higher than ones self. It can be detrimental in the extreme, but not intrinsically so. You ever seen a Libra in stress? Fairness is thrown out the window, there is what needs to be done, what is right, and either getting there or not. The more intense a situation gets, the more convicted the Libra gets. Kind of ironic but that is the way it seems to go for Libras. There is an inherant hirarchy of ideals. Fairness is important but not at the expence of results IE....try if at all possible from fighting dirty but the objective is surviving, poison the water, kill the women first, whatever it takes. Hopefully it won't come to that but if it does don't think twice.

"Oh!!!!! Scorps would watch the Sags fail and steal their idea to succeed where the Sags failed... Muhahahahaha!!!!"

And use Saggitarian hide to water seal the improved version of the Sag boat design LOL

Well, I'm gonna generalize alot in my answer.

The winner is: Capricorn. Capricorns are determined, persistent, natural born leaders, practical and intelligent. When everyone else runs out of patience and strength, we make a race to the top and always get there. We are successful and always have a plan b, c etc. We are great in emergency situations, resilient, and know how to deal with disappointments. We are not "out there" so others underestimate us and when they least expect it, we past them to the finish line. Thats why we always succeed at what we do.

Runner ups would be:
Scorpio: determined, competitive, can see others weakness and use that against them but could get blindsided with emotion and rage if their buttons are pushed. They would most likely be one of the finalists or even the winner if they use their intuition against the Capricorn.

Leo is also determined but too concerned with what people think about them. The Leo would rather lead and hand off their work to others.

Virgo could get far but I dont' see them getting down and dirty.

Who would not win?
Gemini and Sagittarius rarely finish what they start. Impatient.
Libras and Pisces will eventually get lazy.
Aries - competitive, innovative, but impatient
Taurus - patient, determined, but slow to make decisions and doesn't adapt well to change.
Cancer - moodiness and emotions could get in the way
Aquarius - when they get retreat into their own little world (space out), someone else will take the win.

Capangel,

I think cap is a strong contender here but I wouldn't pick them for the overall win. One glaring weakness of the capricorn is also one of their strengths, their hard headed, blind confidence in their way being the right way. Decision is better than indecision 99.9 percent of the time, even if it turns out being the wrong one, at least you know. But there are several caps that come to mind at the top of their game in their competative realm but will never be the best, because they won't swallow their pride/ego and admit their way isn't the best way. The perserverance might pay off, but it might not. Perserverance is best employed on the best idea, not the stubbornly declared best because it's mine idea. The cap to me represents the tortus in the tortus and the hair story, problem is, the longer the amount of time no matter how well done something is, the chances for outside forces to screw things up for you are greater. Combine this with the "It's good enough" concept of perfection and I don't really think that they have the best chances.

"Which is something everyone seems to conveniently overlook, cause they can't really look beyond their pug nose anyway."

No ones overlooking, they would have to have it to be overlooked.

"I noticed you seem to ignore the whole instinct to survive"

Ignored as in the whole thing is premised completely around this? Can you read? Need some help, theres no metaphor to interpret or anything it's the freaking purpose.

Everyone has the instinct to survive. Every sign....if you wanted to get philisophical about it you could say that each signs traits are it's unique survival traits. Either way, the concept of survival isn't lost on any sign.

"You're competition sounds like something that is taking place in the corporate or academic classroom."

Close, it's actually taking place on an internet forum.

You had a lot of sly criticism...are you going to offer any insight and suggestion or just bitch for the sake of it?

Kris,

"Based on your above comments you view leos as just warmongering phyiscal bunch of fools like saying we can,t think as much or we will fail etc ."

Where did I say this exactly? I didn't. In cmparison to the cmpetitor, Aqua I think Leos would be more aggressive and war like, but no where did I call them idiots or suggest that they are mentally incapable. Your fragile ego seems to dictate your behavior a lot on the internet.

"i could show you countless leos who can crush libras mentally plus not everything is based on ego we are generous too ."

Uh huh....right. Do you need to get me a visitor pass at your high school for me to come see this?

"...not everything is based on ego we are generous too . "

Your ego is what motivated you to look like an internet in posting on the internet yet again. You provided no intillectual insight. Leos rule, Libras suck isn't an argument, it's you trying to think and failing.

"Yeah i really don,t think spineless no backboned libras will win in this fight ."

Are the Libras still getting all the chicks at school because you seem angry. Since day one all you have provided the Libra board is short sighted, ego protecting bullshit that keeps getting you chased out by those that can perform higher (above room temperature IQ) thought. You either don't know Libras well enough, or don't have enough life experience to really understand what backbone is. So spare us all, life will get hard one day without the protection of mommy and daddy and then come to me with declarations of who has backbone and who doesn't. The reason I didn't match Libra and Leo together is because I was going for a hard challenge in for the first round, and Leos would hardly be a challenge, let alone a difficult one.

Started it? Started what? I never outwardly advocated my sign over any other sign, including Leo. The purpose was to have a discussion/debate on what sign would fair best under the circumstances and why. You are the one who twisted my words into some sort of attack on you and your sign. You don't agree with what I wrote? Fine, write your own that is the whole purpose, I was just trying to jump start some thinking and writing in here. Your the one who took it personally and got all defensive, I can't apologize for you.

"Belive i contribute when i want and those who know me closely will tell you atleast i am broadminded and my brian is capable of thinking more than one way ."

I don't know anyone close to you, so unfortunately everyone including myself has to go by the words YOU use. It wouldn't be a big deal but every time you get the chance you jump at the opportunity to puff up your chest in Libra presence, so it's just the same old shit "buddy".

"...but if you want a real one libra will beaten so badly its laughable ."

Right......I'll believe it when I see it.

"Okay puff up my chest in libran presence ? wow sorry i don,t give that much importance to librans lol . Anyway you know what you typed was biased and pretty one dimenosional you are just trying to aviod it by saying i am egoistic that i am this that . Yeah well you know what buddy i will let you continue because i sure have wised up good day ."

Not to interrupt... But, I remember reading that he said that it would be hard to decide a victor between Virgo and Libra. Pretty much the same thing he said for Taurus and Scorpio...


BTW, I still think that Virgo would win... I think that a Virgo could take a Taurus (though, perhaps not easily).

"" Victory goes not to the most talented but to the most preserving " ."

Preserving doesn't help much if they are dead... Going against a more talented opponent could make this a distinct possiblity.

whoa! haha....

i'd go with taurus too, actually.