Astrology and sexual abuse

Posted by ACsquarepluto

The first chart has Chiron in Scorpio square Uranus by 1 degree. This could cause instability in upbringing (emphasized by Chiron in 2nd), Chiron in Scorpio could indicate that power and its abuse was a childhood theme. Saturn in 8th square Pluto could indicate that power struggles and oppression from authority figures is a recurring theme through life.

The second chart has Chiron in Scorpio in 1st: the 1st house indicating that as a child, this person may have been made to feel ashamed to be him or herself. Saturn quincunx Chiron by 2 degrees indicate that someone in authority may have been the cause of oppression or trauma from childhood (or that these figures show up through the lifetime, stirring up deeply-felt shame stemming from the vulnerable years). More positively, this chart has a Chiron-Venus sextile indicating that this person may find it in him or herself to use his/her experience to help others.

Hope this helps.

As a side note-

Asteroids which can indicate abuse: Dejanira (157) conjunct the personal planets or North Node

Potentially Proserpina (26) conjunct the personal planets

Prey (6157) conjunct the personal planets

(source: http://mychristianpsychic.com/journal/asked-ten-darkest-asteroids-synastry/)

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Posted by ACsquarepluto

The first chart has Chiron in Scorpio square Uranus by 1 degree. This could cause instability in upbringing (emphasized by Chiron in 2nd), Chiron in Scorpio could indicate that power and its abuse was a childhood theme. Saturn in 8th square Pluto could indicate that power struggles and oppression from authority figures is a recurring theme through life.

The second chart has Chiron in Scorpio in 1st: the 1st house indicating that as a child, this person may have been made to feel ashamed to be him or herself. Saturn quincunx Chiron by 2 degrees indicate that someone in authority may have been the cause of oppression or trauma from childhood (or that these figures show up through the lifetime, stirring up deeply-felt shame stemming from the vulnerable years). More positively, this chart has a Chiron-Venus sextile indicating that this person may find it in him or herself to use his/her experience to help others.

Hope this helps.

As a side note-

Asteroids which can indicate abuse: Dejanira (157) conjunct the personal planets or North Node

Potentially Proserpina (26) conjunct the personal planets

Prey (6157) conjunct the personal planets

(source: http://mychristianpsychic.com/journal/asked-ten-darkest-asteroids-synastry/)

Quick correction, 1st chart doesn't have Saturn square Pluto but more like Saturn sesquiquadrate Pluto because of 3 degree Taurus and 5 degree Sag

my bad. corrected

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Posted by EtherealTraveler

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Posted by ACsquarepluto

The first chart has Chiron in Scorpio square Uranus by 1 degree. This could cause instability in upbringing (emphasized by Chiron in 2nd), Chiron in Scorpio could indicate that power and its abuse was a childhood theme. Saturn in 8th square Pluto could indicate that power struggles and oppression from authority figures is a recurring theme through life.

The second chart has Chiron in Scorpio in 1st: the 1st house indicating that as a child, this person may have been made to feel ashamed to be him or herself. Saturn quincunx Chiron by 2 degrees indicate that someone in authority may have been the cause of oppression or trauma from childhood (or that these figures show up through the lifetime, stirring up deeply-felt shame stemming from the vulnerable years). More positively, this chart has a Chiron-Venus sextile indicating that this person may find it in him or herself to use his/her experience to help others.

Hope this helps.

As a side note-

Asteroids which can indicate abuse: Dejanira (157) conjunct the personal planets or North Node

Potentially Proserpina (26) conjunct the personal planets

Prey (6157) conjunct the personal planets

(source: http://mychristianpsychic.com/journal/asked-ten-darkest-asteroids-synastry/)

Quick correction, 1st chart doesn't have Saturn square Pluto but more like Saturn sesquiquadrate Pluto because of 3 degree Taurus and 5 degree Sag

my bad. corrected

But from this can we say that Chiron in Scorpio with bad aspects could lead to abuse? I also noticed that the 2nd chart has Mars square Pluto in a 2 degree orb so that's like really dangerous too.

I also think the two have negative Jupiter aspects too, would that contribute?

You might be right about the Mars-Pluto hard aspects contributing to this. I see the first chart has a 4 degree quincunx. As far as Jupiter aspects, I only saw a trine to the sun in the first and a semisextile to Mercury in the second, so I wouldn't peg this as a contributor. I skip Jupiter aspects in readings often though: good aspects=luck, hard aspects=struggle with self-discipline, from what I've read so far.

looking back I see Jupiter aspects the angles out of sign in the first chart and semi-squares Uranus, still not sure this would be a contributor. Uranus and Neptune in the 4th house could be contributors within the first chart.

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Posted by Koni

Mars square Pluto can

Posted by Antiochus

I remember reading somewhere that Nessus on the ASC signifies abuse in some form.

If it's in the first house the person might have abusive tendency.

If it's in the twelfth house the person has suffered abuse or will constantly have to protect itself from abuse in some form.

Regarding credibility:

I have this with Nessus in the twelfth and definetly suffered some forms of emotional and psychological abuse during my childhood.

Posted by ACsquarepluto

The first chart has Chiron in Scorpio square Uranus by 1 degree. This could cause instability in upbringing (emphasized by Chiron in 2nd), Chiron in Scorpio could indicate that power and its abuse was a childhood theme. Saturn in 8th quincunx Pluto could indicate that power struggles and oppression from authority figures is a recurring theme through life.

The second chart has Chiron in Scorpio in 1st: the 1st house indicating that as a child, this person may have been made to feel ashamed to be him or herself. Saturn quincunx Chiron by 2 degrees indicate that someone in authority may have been the cause of oppression or trauma from childhood (or that these figures show up through the lifetime, stirring up deeply-felt shame stemming from the vulnerable years). More positively, this chart has a Chiron-Venus sextile indicating that this person may find it in him or herself to use his/her experience to help others.

Hope this helps.

As a side note-

Asteroids which can indicate abuse: Dejanira (157) conjunct the personal planets or North Node

Potentially Proserpina (26) conjunct the personal planets

Prey (6157) conjunct the personal planets

(source: http://mychristianpsychic.com/journal/asked-ten-darkest-asteroids-synastry/)

Posted by HeavyEntertainmentShow

Honestly that's like one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.

How on earth does your own natal chart determine if you're gonna get borked or not? When it's another person's actions entirely that make it happen.

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Posted by justagirl

what do you see here?

Would you like a full reading? I'm about to sleep but I can try to get up early and post one for you tomorrow morning (if I don't have time, I will by tomorrow night(: )

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Posted by Antiochus

I remember reading somewhere that Nessus on the ASC signifies abuse in some form.

If it's in the first house the person might have abusive tendency.

If it's in the twelfth house the person has suffered abuse or will constantly have to protect itself from abuse in some form.

Regarding credibility:

I have this with Nessus in the twelfth and definetly suffered some forms of emotional and psychological abuse during my childhood.

Posted by Ram416

Posted by Antiochus

I remember reading somewhere that Nessus on the ASC signifies abuse in some form.

If it's in the first house the person might have abusive tendency.

If it's in the twelfth house the person has suffered abuse or will constantly have to protect itself from abuse in some form.

Regarding credibility:

I have this with Nessus in the twelfth and definetly suffered some forms of emotional and psychological abuse during my childhood.

I have Nessus in 1st house (same as my ASC) but by a wide orb by 26 degrees. Someone once told me, after reading this aspect, that it signifies the abused becoming the abuser.

On hindsight, this was somewhat the case for me, as in the bullied becoming the bully. I was a nasty piece of work until my mid-20s, then I managed to break the cycle.

Is this in any way true?

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Posted by Koni

Mars square Pluto can

Posted by Queenofthepheasantfairies

Posted by Koni

Mars square Pluto can

Possible. I have this and was date raped at 16.

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Posted by EtherealTraveler

Posted by Queenofthepheasantfairies

Posted by Koni

Mars square Pluto can

Possible. I have this and was date raped at 16.

Can you show us your natal chart here for reference if that's okay with you?

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Posted by Koni

Mars square Pluto can

Possible. I have this and was date raped at 16.

Can you show us your natal chart here for reference if that's okay with you?

Of course!

Here you go :-)

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Posted by Koni

Mars square Pluto can

Possible. I have this and was date raped at 16.

Can you show us your natal chart here for reference if that's okay with you?

Of course!

Here you go :-)

Thanks But as ACSquarePluto has said in the 1st page, there's 3 asteroids that also influence this more than asteroids like Juno or Vesta, but this will do for now

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Posted by justagirl

what do you see here?

Some aspects which imply that abuse may have been a significant source of trauma within your life:

-Sun conjunct Proserpina by 2 degrees

-Prey conjunct ascendant tightly on the degree

-Dejanira quincunx ascendant on the degree (also may be notable that Dejanira falls in the 5th house of dating, leisure, and building a family)

-moon quincunx Saturn within 1 degree

-Chiron in Aries/4th square Mercury within 3 degrees

These close aspects signify that you may have experienced trauma or abuse, and the exact square between your North Node and Prey suggests that you will benefit from putting effort into recovering from experienced abuse and learning to identify warning signs. Your nodal axis implores you to work on finding balance between seeking comfort in alone time, self-care, and philosophy/abstract theories and learning to trust others to help you heal by building relationships at an appropriate pace. When receiving advice, your NN in Aquarius/3rd implores you to process it rationally and objectively as opposed to relying on opinion or putting significance into how the advice affects you emotionally. This is emphasized by your midheaven in Virgo: while your Sag Mercury may tend to prefer to digest many different ideas and allow them all credibility, your NN and midheaven suggest focus and some amount of cautious skepticism will benefit you when learning and during the decision-making process.

Chiron in Aries/4th implies you may have suffered trauma in childhood due to a guardian who may have been unencouraging: your competence (especially mental, due to Chiron's square to Mercury) may have been disregarded, although you are surely competent with your Virgo midheaven. Skill development and focused study as an adult should bring new confidence, and your 1st house stellium should be immensely useful in going your own way and building your self-worth while accepting that you may have been underestimated in the past: the opinions of ignorant people from your past in no way reflect reality.

Saturn quincunx Uranus by 2 degrees indicates progress may come in a long time with discouraging obstacles along the way, but your strong 2nd house should be a source of patience and hope for an ultimately positive outcome.

Your Mars, Jupiter, and Neptune all sextile Proserpina by max 2 degrees implies you may enjoy some degree of power in life, possibly as an effective and talented social figure or researcher/teacher considering your NN, midheaven, Mercury, and Uranus placements. This is emphasized by your Pluto biquintile NN and tribe Proserpina. You may wield great power someday and command respect. (:

Hope this helps.

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Posted by EtherealTraveler

Just realised I also have some aspects towards those asteroids too, not really conjunctions but there are squares. What are your insights @ACsquarepluto ? To clarify I'm not a victim of sexual abuse and hope I stay that way but in case of anything dangerous that might happen in the future, better be safe right?

My initial impression looking through your placements and aspects is that you have the potential to heal and help others, as well as Neptunian gifts (natural intuition/possible paranormal talents due to Neptune in first conjunct the South Node on the degree): while your Dejanira/sun square may make you susceptible to abuse, you also have strong Nessus aspects (conjuncting your ascendant tightly on the degree and quincunx your NN tightly on the degree) implying that you may at times feel tempted to abuse the great power you may hold (and you seem to have a powerful chart: supported by Proserpina conjunct your MC by 1 degree).

Sun trine Prey within 3 degrees may equip you with empathy, maturity, and responsibility/goodwill toward others, which could counteract your difficult Nessus aspects. With your strong 1st house, Nessus-AC conjunction, and Proserpina-MC conjunction, you may not be abusive, but highly assertive and confident (potentially to your detriment, especially if your confidence depends too much on reassurance from others which can occur due to Aquarius SN). Your nodal axis, as well as your Libra midheaven, implores you to seek confidence and bravely assert your beliefs even when it can elicit criticism and to learn to respect others. When you develop self-confidence from an inner source impenetrable from the judgment of others, resentment for others should lessen and you may find relationships easier: you can acknowledge the value of others through a new lens because nothing they can say can pose a threat to your self-concept. (This may or may not resonate: I have SN 11th/NN 5th and am relaying my experience). Speaking up for others could be a fulfilling career path or way to volunteer your time due to your NN and midheaven (as well as your Pluto, Chiron, and Venus conjuncting each other in your 12th house and your natural intuitive abilities from your Neptune on your SN: Your methods to heal others could be creative; artistic; spiritual; occult; or through writing or speech, but your chart supports that building healing relationships or creating art/beauty for others to enjoy and benefit from will be fulfilling for you).

Chiron in Sagittarius/12th quincunx Saturn (4th) by 2 degrees implies susceptibility to suffer from hopelessness/existentialism and to suffer repression from others who may try to overpower you in a domestic setting (this may have happened in the past or may be a recurring theme). Chiron in Sag/12th could imply that repression may have been backed up by ideology which your care-keepers held, or they may have been distant and overly trusting that you would get through treacherous situations safely (example: you may have been allowed to walk through dangerous neighborhoods alone as a child). Chiron in 12th can suffer deep depression, which may be emphasized by your Neptune conjunct the SN: your intuitive talents could leave you feeling isolated and misunderstood. Your Leo NN/7th implores you to take care of your needs when they arise and ask for help, as there are people on your side who would be glad to help: and their help may be effective.

I hope this resonates. (:

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