cancer=weak

I don't know why other signs auto,atically assume cancers are weak. I mean is it because of our emotions? cause I will think our emotions are what makes us strong rather than weak.

Darn it, I'll bite.

Ok, this doesn't apply to ALL Cancers, just the ones **I've** known.

They tend to be seen as weak because that's what they put out there.

Yes they are emotional, and that CAN be seen as a strength, but they tend to expect everyone to tiptoe around all these "emotions" because they're just so *sensitive* and *fragile* and(dare I say it?) *weak*.

Do I think they are *really* this weak normally? No. But after enough years of using their emotions and "fragility" as a way of getting other people to do what they want and treat them how they want to be treated, they can BECOME weak because they never built up their real strength and chose to go through life as a victim.

A mature and evolved Cancer will know that the world isn't going to cater to their whims and will grow stronger because of this. They'll learn how to get to know people without having to play 'wounded victim' all the time and will form deep connections, friendships, and relationships. The kind and generous emotions that they're capable of will be a gift to those who are closest to them and they won't be seen as "weak." They'll be seen as loving, good people.

My $ .02. 🙂

see that is what I mean as a cancer and most that I know we do not project fragility rather we project strengt. now everyone equates emotions with tears and sensitivity. I equate it with passion and durability. My weakness is something people seldom see, and holding my tongue is not something i am known for. when annoyed i let others know. when pushed far enough wich can take anywhere from 1 sec to a life time i will bite hard. I only cry when I am extremely angry and going off on someone and movies but most comments made to me bounce off like light on a mirror and that annoys the heck out of those who attempt to mock me. and with the exception of my father's ex wife every cancer I know are like me. we always joke around about how others percieve our sign as weak.

it's because cancer is a passive, feminine associated sign.

its cause there sign is a crab any zodiak sign can take on a weak pincher well except the scales who are just as weak maybe weaker... nah jk i don't know but some of them cancers can put up a good fight

no, excessive violence solves everything. just as the US occupation of iraq

*just as = just ask

well i still say crabs are very underated, surrounded by leos, scorps, and aries I more than hold my own in fact I work in an office of 4 cancers, 3 leos, a gemini, an aries, and two sag and the cancers are nowhere near dominated except for one but that is only because she tends to stay in her office rather than oin those of us out front. point others should just continue to tip toe around us because when the crab lets loose there is no looser cannon.

While I do believe that many cancers are weak, people sometimes confuse this with their need to preserve themselves due to irrational fears. Not many people even understand the cancerian personality so it's easy to dismiss it as weak. Some cancerians are a different, unorthodox kind of strong- they possess a silent, tenacious strength and are adept at leading others through nuturing. (While the Leo or Scorpio may lead through confidence and energetic personalities)

Cancers are living contradictions. Some appear strong on the outside but are truly weak on the inside while others may appear to be underachievers but are actually determined to succeed. You really have to probe their natures (which can be challenging) to truly understand who they are and I guess this is why Scorpios are sometimes drawn to them.

"well i still say crabs are very underated, surrounded by leos, scorps, and aries I more than hold my own in fact I work in an office of 4 cancers, 3 leos, a gemini, an aries, and two sag and the cancers are nowhere near dominated except for one but that is only because she tends to stay in her office rather than oin those of us out front. point others should just continue to tip toe around us because when the crab lets loose there is no looser cannon."

i didn't say cancers are weak, and i didn't mean to imply it. i was offering a reason as to why people think we're weak.

My bestfriend is the type of cancer to use her sensitivity and strong sense of emotionality to understand her surroundings and herself... never to manipulate and get her way. She is completely sensible, infinitely understanding, yes she's human and wants things to go her way, but she is hardly divisive. She's an excellent communicator and when she wants you to understand something, she'll tell you... it will be her standpoint. Never invasive. She's a pillar of strength in my eyes.

Step-mother... she's exasperating. manipulative?... Yes. strong?... in her way. just like she cares about her family 'in her way.'

I dunno, Id hardly call cancers weak. Sure, you always know when they want something from you, with their manipulative and opportunistic ways, but they have such a great ability to look at themselves and criticize what needs scrutiny or acknowledge what is good about themselves and if you're a friend, they'll do the same for you. I think they're awesome. Whenever I need grounding and cant find it on my own, there's only one person I'll go to.

"I say the Cancer is dominant...because the one who wants less in a relationship is usually the one who has more control. I was in a long-term relationship with a Scorp and this is the patter than emerged. My brother is Cancer too and he is married to a Scorp. Same thing."

You have your examples, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie-Th% C3% A9r% C3% A8se_Walter">I have mine.

I find it very curious that instead of giving any examples of Cancers actually showing backbone and acting in a strong manner, you bring up two examples of relationships(of all things) in which the Cancer had more "control"(though you gave no actual examples of that control, and actually mentioned the Scorpio was more possessive) .


And then you wonder why Cancer is considered so weak.

"You have your examples, I have mine.

I find it very curious that instead of giving any examples of Cancers actually showing backbone and acting in a strong manner, you bring up two examples of relationships(of all things) in which the Cancer had more "control"(though you gave no actual examples of that control, and actually mentioned the Scorpio was more possessive) .


And then you wonder why Cancer is considered so weak."

can clarify your definition of strength and your reason for condescension? how, exactly, is your example of picasso being a philanderer any better than his personal examples?

"can clarify your definition of strength and your reason for condescension?"

Can. Strength, imo, is mainly the ability to overcome obstacles.

"how, exactly, is your example of picasso being a philanderer any better than his personal examples?"

Well, A)I think it's veracity is a bit more well founded than his. B)What the fuck are you even talking about? When have I said it's better? He shared his knowledge, I then shared mine, that's how conversations work.

Why dont we shift to Pisces' reputation as a zodiac sign many people consider them weak?
Even though i am not a pisces i have had experience with many. These people especially the women are not weak. I mean emotionally these women can wrap you up in their mystical personalities and can control the entire plot according to their terms. Being at places at the right or wrong times to give you ideas and get you thinking and make it totally seem like a coincident. Let's say you want to distance yourself from one for a while sooner or later they are back to the same terms with you when you left. It's amazing. Their elusiveness and flow is their biggest weapon along with their camouflage techniques of didn't know and i don't care that much. These are some unique creatures they are COOL!

In response to antibling. Picasso was actually married to a gemini woman (Olga) at the time Maria was a nurse to Olga and Picasso's son. She kept away from his wife.

I think pisces like cancers just want to live in peace harmony is good for both signs. but everyone think strength is just about physical strength, boastfulness, and the need to dominate. On the countrary I see strength to to be th eperson who can get things done their way w/o too much display and fireworks. some will say cancers are manupulative but to me that is a strength because I got my job done w/o you knowing it. Our ability to not let others see our true feelings is also a strength because you can't tell if we are wounded or not sinwe hate to lose. plus after crying we can move on pretty quick once we are done and when you come back we may not be there waiting for you because we are cookie monster (which I see as a real strength).

same goes for the pisces thier seemingly fragility gets them many things because you see weakness they see opportunity in your being forward so that when problems arise we know who takes the blame and who stays clean. they will also sense other people feelings.

Like the cancer they are patient both signs are true description of the saying "slow and steady wins the race. When you lose both signs out of your life you sure aren't shouting good ridance since many others do not compare.

Didn't Marie-Therese constantly threaten suicide? Didn't she actually succeed in killing herself? I have a few Picasso biographies laying around but she did come off as weak and emotionally manipulative. I don't consider it "strong" that a woman would be tricked into wrestling another woman for a man's affection. That proves her weakness, not just for HIM but for HER mental and emotional state in general. A stronger woman would have told Picasso to kiss her *ss. lol

I agree with Yama's assessment of strength being the "ability to overcome obstacles." Let me add the ability to take what life/people dishes out to them and to get through it and come out on the other side an even better and stronger person than before.

One thing I've noticed about Cancers is that they can dish it out, but they can't take it. A world champion boxer isn't going to be considered a "strong" contender just because he has a strong right hook. He has to be able to TAKE A PUNCH too. A hard hitter with a glass jaw is going to be a WEAK fighter. He's going to have to place all his chances that he hits hard enough to knock out his opponent before the opponent can get to him and knock HIM out.

Same with Cancers.

They come out swinging whether the other person is trying to fight with them or not. lol In the process of swinging at enemies(real and imagined) they give away their weakness, wear themselves out, chase people away who aren't even TRYING to hurt them, and ATTRACT people who are up for a REAL fight and really DO want to hurt them.

Then when these people who DO want to hurt the Cancers do their damage, the Cancer is even weaker and more on the 'offensive' than before. They then alternate going through life as a perpetual victim because the only people they allow close to them are those that hurt them, and swinging at every imaginary slight.

It's a sad cycle for such a sensitive person to go through. And what's even sadder is that THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH IT! They don't HAVE TO fight every time someone says or does something that *might* be negative. They don't HAVE TO play 'victim' to get someone to treat them kindly.

If they can learn to TAKE some of what life dishes out to them and NOT ATTACK at every perceived slight, they can have close loving relationships with people without being perceived as weak cuz they won't be. They'll be strong. And their emotions WILL be a strength and benefit to themselves and the people around them.

Pisces are a WHOLE DIFFERENT ANIMAL all together.

I don't consider Pisces weak at all.

Their strength - which is the opposite of Cancers - is their ability to just go with the flow. Their emotions are a *benefit* to them because they show the Pisces what direction to "flow" in. They give love fully and don't attack at the first thought of a slight. They don't play "victim" no matter how many times they get hurt. They're always ready to forgive and forget and love brand new.

The only time it's a problem is when they try to stay in one place when they're supposed to move on.

I've seen many a loving Pisces woman stay with a man that wasn't good for her or their relationship was pretty much over, but she wanted to preserve the love that they used to have and wants to be loyal.

Once a Cancer can build up his/her strength they have the potential to be just as loving and generous as Pisces if not more so.

"Hellen Keller was a Cancer with plenty of obstacles, and she sure as hell was not weak.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellen_keller"

You said it.

actually I disagree cancers are never on the offensive, we never react unless provoked plain and simple because others assume we are weak they go out of their way to walk all over us case and point I had for a long time people feeling the need to provoke me because I am percieved as weak ,but they always find otherwise when they get on my bad side.
point being rather than offens cancers think deffense, don't react unless attacked. which is why people attack and prod because we dismiss crap by others to often making them believe we are push overs.

In fact I would more than any other signs leo are the ones always pushing the weak cancer stereotype (at work, home, friends) which is funny because I view leo as being weak people who hide behind have this illusion of their awsomeness when their ego more than any other sign is easily bruised and then once you put them in their place they comeback all innocent trying to get back in your good grace. This is because I know too many leos and noticed alot of time cancers are more likely to stand up to them than other signs I know including scorps. aries I am not too sure about because all aries I know are 14 and under. wherease my scorp sis runs away from leo like they lit fire behind her or something. I would even say the "can't take but can dish it" is a scorp and leo trait two signs who do not take well to insult or rudeness when they are the kings of doing it to others.

"When you lose both signs out of your life you sure aren't shouting good ridance since many others do not compare."

That's sort of a harsh assumption because these two signs have just the same potential of becoming disastrous as any other sign and sometimes them out is for good. Pisces can play the martyr a bit too much leaving you to look like a monster for the rest. They can totally take advantage of a situation.
Cancer too can become too carping and manipulative refusing to let go and tormenting others for the hurt they think has been incurred by someone else upon them. They refise to believe their fault and hold on to a stupid slight for life. AND NO! This is certainly not the same thing as a scorpio because they do not plot to destroy and pick on centuries later if the slight is too minimal. People may not agree but these people can forgive however cancer can be too preoccupied by itself to let go.

EXACTLY pushit!!!

Helen Keller is a Cancer who USED her emotions as motivation and fuel to improve herself and her situation. She also gave so much to the world just by being brave and toughing through a seemingly insurmountable ordeal! Anytime a Cancer is looked at as being weak or is acting that way, her example should be brought up. Amazing woman.

and to add to pushit

Leona Helmsley- known for her cookiemonterish self and tittle the queen of mean.

Lance amrstrong- a formidable man who oer cmae obstacles,

Bill Cosby_ a man not afraid to speak mind even when others dissagree.

and Sailor Moon- super hero (nedd I say more) 🙂

"This is certainly not the same thing as a scorpio because they do not plot to destroy and pick on centuries later if the slight is too minimal. People may not agree but these people can forgive however cancer can be too preoccupied by itself to let go."

we do forgive in fact easier than any other signs. grudge are held for a short period of time. but it does not mean forget what the person did to you, rather you keep as a reminder of what the person capable of doing to you again.

As for the imagined slight only when you do it you don't see it as a slight but when done to you you definetly see others having done you wrong. that is not a cancer thing it is an all signs thing. I would even argue cancers are among the most self depricating signs. we can see our faults but like many people we will not let go of our beliefs because we were asked to. We can laugh at ourselves and accept others laughing at us as long as it is not malicious. Beside the cancer character is the most mysterious of the zodiac, we have a wide range of characteristics from the most out going in you r face people to the most timid people.

"cancers are never on the offensive, we never react unless provoked"

Ahhh, THIS is where the criticisms of being "overly sensitive" come into play.
"Provoked" to a Cancer can be "having a normal adult conversation" to the other person.

"cancers think defense, don't react unless attacked"

This is a great way to be, if you actually ARE attacked. But again, what a Cancer perceives as being an "attack" is often just "conversation" to another person.


Cancerinlove - your perceptions about Leos are right on. Being a Cancer you probably can see through the facade of "Leo - King/Queen of the jungle" lol, but I have also seen them having good hearts and showing more strength and bravery in the face of life and love. I know many Leos and haven't seen too many being bullies - ESPECIALLY to people they deem weaker than themselves. The ones I know usually try to take the side of the 'underdog' and help out those in "weaker" positions. But I'm sure that their "roars" of how "great" and "majestic" they are would be felt as an attack to a Cancer.

As far as "can't take it but can dish it out" - I don't see too many Leos dishing anything out. They're usually too busy admiring their crowns. lol And Scorpios loooooooooove a good battle. The more you hurt them the more they love it cuz it means they can hurt you back twice as hard.

I think that's part of the attraction/repulsion between Cancers and Scorpios. They understand each other better than others, but they can also hurt each other worse. Well, the Scorp can hurt the Cancer worse anyway.

sure leo spend lots of time admiring their crown, but when they take their time to look out on the the rest of the world everyone else is imperfect while they can do no wrong. this is especially annoying to cancers because we do not take criticism or advice well. and leos are infact sweet when they want to be my bro can be nicest person on earth but he wants things done his way and well I am a cancer so you get the picture (not pretty).

sorps love to argue. My older sis is a scorps one min we are the best friend next we are sworn enemy not talking for weeks. but she a;ways breaks down first :} I think its because min after the fight I have forgiven her but she still holds a grudge and since I will never admit I am wrong I wont say anything to her until she says something to me. but I will say we have a common enemy in our brother so we don't fight as much. we will always take each other side when our bro is an ass but he never chooses side between us. but that is probaly more of a male female thing. cancers are awayls ready for the worst so a sneak attack by scops will pretty much be forseen. we never trust anyone fully not even our parents. I don't write in dairy for fear the dairy will betray me so unless you can get in my head you won't know what I am thinking.

"everyone else is imperfect while they can do no wrong"

LOL
I just got an image in my head. Did you ever read the story about "The Emperor's New Clothes"? Where the emperor gets some new "clothes" from a tailor. The clothes don't even exist but he's too far 'above' people to admit that he doesn't see the new "clothes" so he ends up walking around in public naked.

That reminds me of Leos(and Aries). Most really don't seem to be trying to hurt people but they're so focused on their own perception of themselves that they don't see what they're doing. They might not mean any harm, but they can be oblivious.

Do you know any Scorps? Lol. Yes they DO love to argue and fight. When they're in a relationship they consider it "foreplay." Not everyone enjoys it as much as they do.

"we have a common enemy in our brother"
Girl Power!!! 😉

"we never trust anyone fully not even our parents"

DANG GIRL!!??!!??!! You can't even trust your own PARENTS?!?!
How can you LIVE like that?
That's waaaay too much stress for me.
lol

I trust mom and dad just not with all of my business but that has more to dao with them realizing their baby is all grown up. they still have the image of the saint in me I am good just not parents view of what is a good girl. so as long as I can give them the illusion them it is fine. heck even my sis thinks i am a saint. my brother is th eonly person wise enough. but that is because he is no saint so he suspects everyone. but by my friends standard I am the prude who talks about sex like she is talking about her day.
what happens outside of the family stays outside the family as long as it is not scandalous. heck half the time I am afraid I will sell myself out. If everyone who knows me knows me got together i will be outed because selective people hear selective info what i cannot trust one person with I trust another person with.and then the rest will have to beat it out of me cause I wont tell anyone even those who have witnessed it.

"Can. Strength, imo, is mainly the ability to overcome obstacles."

i'd also include in that standing up for what you believe is right. cancers will rarely ever back down from what they believe.

"Well, A)I think it's veracity is a bit more well founded than his. B)What the are you even talking about? When have I said it's better? He shared his knowledge, I then shared mine, that's how conversations work.

you said its better when you brought it up. reread your statement:

"I find it very curious that instead of giving any examples of Cancers actually showing backbone and acting in a strong manner, you bring up two examples of relationships(of all things) in which the Cancer had more "control"(though you gave no actual examples of that control, and actually mentioned the Scorpio was more possessive) .


And then you wonder why Cancer is considered so weak."

your first sentence is said in a condescending manner that is used to be flippant about his statement. your second sentence is more ambiguous in that you could possibly be 1. referring back to your example of Picasso's mistress or 2. you could be stating that the person you are talking to is weak because you feel you've brought forth a better example or 3. you could be saying sarcastically as if you are leagues more intelligent than him a cancers' weakness should be obvious.

anyway, as to the veracity of his statement, are you actually serious? do you have any idea how silly it is to even consider this? how many millions (billions?) of cancer/scorp pairings are there in the world, EVER IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND? his statement is as senseless as your own. who CARES that picasso's ONE relationship with a cancer is in wikipedia? VERACITY? IT'S ONE RELATIONSHIP!!! who cares that he knows what, A COUPLE? relationships w/cancers and scorps? they cannot be superimposed to the greater picture and apply to the full populations and to say that they do is silly on both your accounts.

Simple scenarios are not to point out cancer weakness and character flaws but to tell they are not all misunderstood. Cancer is probably the least likeliest of all the signs to be misunderstood because of their blatant emotions and mood swings. A cancer is not at all a martyr or easy forgiver as many people wrote them to be. Cancer has the potential to hold a grudge on forever. You do not have to be cancer to know this but the fact that even when things go wrong in a friendship with them and it even maybe their own fault they dont have the sheer innocence of an aries, gemini, or sagittarius to admit to their mistakes. They are not as humble as a Libra to make amends either infact they will hound you until to admit your mistake even though in that particular situation you may not be at fault.
They are not above using manipulation either. I dont want to use exact words but thinking that manipulation is labeled bad when u are still getting what you want is wrong is a sad track. Because even though they may be getting what they want they are being selfish and block out others totally. A crab thinks it has the right to retreat when its slighted but will doggedly pursue someone who wants to call quits is also not right. A cancer may others to turn on their emotional sensors for them but are not above being rough towards others emotions when in one of their crabby moods is also not right.
Besides all this cancers have many good qualities but we must not overlook their negatives.
(Astrology is just for fun to me or i dont know)

I don't know about the grudge thing most people I know say cancers do not hold long gruges with me it is true. but just because I am no longer mad at you it does not mean I will go out and seek you when you are ready to speak to me you will get a warm reception for example a friend of mine in 10th grade who also happens to be a cancer called me a liar when something happened now she knew she was in the wrong I did too ( as was later confirmed by a pisces friend who was with us the day of the fight and was with her when the event we dissagreed than occured) but she never admited it (to this day) any way the next time I saw her I was perfectly fine talking to her but she walked right by me and ignored me so I said oh well. our next conversation took place a year later when I ran into her and we greeted each other like the argument never took place. same when I run into her now. although we havent forgotten the incident neither of us talks about it because bygones are bygones.
This I feel that with most cancers. we forgive quick we just don't forget, but if you try you will be well recieved, just don't expect us to show you our olive branch first you show us you have yours and we will pull our real quick. This is oten mistaken for long held grudges but really we got over it as soon as you left our sight. I always cancers are the out of sight out of mind people. we adapt well to new things because hate being uncomfortable and if we do not like our new surrounding we are miserable same goes for people. we will adjust our lives with out you in it quick and fill in the void you left.
what you call manupulation i call a survival trait. who is being hurt for me getting what I wanted, if they wanted something hard enough they would have gone after it or let me know it some how. But if you stand bag and wait for it...say SAYONARA. If I know a friend likes someone even a stranger i will not make a move on the person but it does not mean I will say no if the person came on to me because if they wanted you they would have gone for you. But if I know another person likes them before I was aware of the person I win't even pine for them, just dont tell me you like something or someone after I set my eyes on it.

I never cry to get my way it is a no no. tears to me is a sign of weakness when you are showing them to the person who made you cry. cry at the movie? fine, cru in front of you after you did me wrong...NO WAY! I know we have negatives but I don't see how those as making us weak. I just think the whole cancers are weak is accurate weakness comes in many forms so does strength. all brains and no brawns is weak so is the reverse.

as staed before the cancer character is not easily define. their are cancers who make the worst poker players and those who makes the best poker oplayers. I fall in the latter category. some will show their vulnerability and others you will think are emotionless because they do not react out wardly to slight or things they dislike. I hate feeling vulnerable and absolutely refuse to show vulnerability. not even my family see me cry the last time they did I was graduating jr. high school.

hah says the pisces 🙂 my mother is a pisces and that lady cries at the drop of the hat, plus she is always worried about something. same with sis who is a scorp been crying since she was born, also whines and complain like nobody business and is always doing everything right oh that self righteousness of hers is noseaing. I always want to pull Chers character in Moonlighting on Nicholas Cage, slap them and say Snap out of it.

"i'd also include in that standing up for what you believe is right. cancers will rarely ever back down from what they believe."

Sometimes it can be inappropriate, and thus, a weakness.

"you said its better when you brought it up. reread your statement:

"I find it very curious that instead of giving any examples of Cancers actually showing backbone and acting in a strong manner, you bring up two examples of relationships(of all things) in which the Cancer had more "control"(though you gave no actual examples of that control, and actually mentioned the Scorpio was more possessive) .
And then you wonder why Cancer is considered so weak.""

Reread it, and I still can't understand what the hell you are talking about, I obviously didn't say my example is better than his.

"your first sentence is said in a condescending manner that is used to be flippant about his statement."

So?

"your second sentence is more ambiguous in that you could possibly be 1. referring back to your example of Picasso's mistress or 2. you could be stating that the person you are talking to is weak because you feel you've brought forth a better example or 3. you could be saying sarcastically as if you are leagues more intelligent than him a cancers' weakness should be obvious."

I was referring to two things:
1)When trying to convey strength, his first association is relationships. Now, unless this relationship was out of the ordinary(abusive, etc.) I can't understand what exactly he overcame. He found a person more needy than himself, whoop-dee-doo-dah.
2)He came off as pathetic in his post, putting another down to make himself look/feel superior(a modus operandi somewhat reminiscent of bullies, racists and rapists).

"anyway, as to the veracity of his statement, are you actually serious?"

Not really, refer to point B.

"I feel like their is no reasoning with a cancer ....it is their way or the highway."

that is some real BS cancers are more likely to compromise than other signs because we love peace and quite. the only time we won't compromise is when we smell a rat your affairs or we are strong in our beliefs. your aries moon may keep you from tolerating cancers, but aries are the "I" sign which will explain your problem with cancers, you refuse refuse to compromise we demand equal existance.

all cancers I know avoid confrontations at all cost. again we love peace so we are not going to look for drama where there is none if you got some drama from cancers it's because you sought it like many pisces and then you blame on others. That is a trait I noticed on pisces, look for drama and then stands back watching the other person react and when asked you say the other person started it.

We hate having our business in public so no we won't make a big hoora to others. not to mention we will help anybody. in my work place the cancers get along with everyone except for one cancer who like most cancer arrived in a place she was not familiar and had her guards on which rubbed off our lovely leos who now bad mouth her every chance they get because they assumed she did not want to talk to them, but bizzarily our cancer workers all get along and talk to her fine.

"Sometimes it can be inappropriate, and thus, a weakness."

you'll have to give an example of it being inappropriate to stand up for what you believe.

"Reread it, and I still can't understand what the hell you are talking about, I obviously didn't say my example is better than his."

you implied it with your condescension and further pushed your point when you went on to defend why you felt yours was more easily verified than his; i don't really understand how you're not comprehending this.

"I was referring to two things:
1)When trying to convey strength, his first association is relationships. Now, unless this relationship was out of the ordinary(abusive, etc.) I can't understand what exactly he overcame. He found a person more needy than himself, whoop-dee-doo-dah."

so take point in his reasoning and definitions; that is a mature conversation, not your holier-than-thou approach.

"2)He came off as pathetic in his post, putting another down to make himself look/feel superior(a modus operandi somewhat reminiscent of bullies, racists and rapists)."

ironic, much?

kris: Cancer in love i freaking love you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WTF?!?!?!? I thought you said that you loved ME... Now you are over here professing your love for some tasty looking piece of crabmeat.

I thought Leos were supposed to be loyal in relationships... WTF?!?!?!?

HAHA...I thought I was the only one who noticed VE's "thoughts"...

"you'll have to give an example of it being inappropriate to stand up for what you believe."

When it collides with reality.

"you implied it with your condescension and further pushed your point when you went on to defend why you felt yours was more easily verified than his; i don't really understand how you're not comprehending this."

No, I didn't. Plus, "Not really, refer to point B." For some reason you didn't bother reading this.

"so take point in his reasoning and definitions; that is a mature conversation, not your holier-than-thou approach."

It's stupid, so no.

"ironic, much?"

"Main Entry: iro?ny
Pronunciation: 'I-r&-nE also 'I(-&😉r-nE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -nies
Etymology: Latin ironia, from Greek eirOnia, from eirOn dissembler
1 : a pretense of ignorance and of willingness to learn from another assumed in order to make the other's false conceptions conspicuous by adroit questioning -- called also Socratic irony
2 a : the use of words to express something other than and especially the opposite of the literal meaning b : a usually humorous or sardonic literary style or form characterized by irony c : an ironic expression or utterance
3 a (1) : incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the normal or expected result (2) : an event or result marked by such incongruity b : incongruity between a situation developed in a drama and the accompanying words or actions that is understood by the audience but not by the characters in the play -- called also dramatic irony, tragic irony "

First of all-learn to use your own native tongue.

Secondly, I'm assuming you meant that this chastening was applicable to myself, but then you are wrong(I'm assuming you are used to it by now), I never put people down in contrast to myself, I won't say "look at this idiot, who can't discern between the actual and the truths his own vastly defected brain conjures in order to make this discussion easier for himself, as to not over-work his feeble brain, while I, being so smart, can"-no, I'm going to call you an idiot because that's what I see lying in front of me.

awww alcheme I am pretty sure kris has enough room for you and I. Beside the king needs as many admirers as possible the more the merrier. 😉

"awww alcheme I am pretty sure kris has enough room for you and I."

LOL... 🙂

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Don't worry, Kris... I still love you, and I forgive you, THIS TIME. I suppose Cancerinlove is alright... So, you can have a little crab dip every once and a while, but that is it.

Just a good example that the crap about Scorpios being possessive is just a complete lie. Though, the vindictive part is true... So, don't do it again.

Sleep tight... Hunny bunny... 🙂