Effeminate men.

In your observations which top 4 signs would you consider as being effeminate signs?

Y'all gotta say Libra man then I will throw a gang bang for all of you.

'Libra men.'

Whoooa! I mean a real gang bang.

no no no no no not like that!

A gang get together that bangs.

No no a Bang get together that Bangs.

A gang get together that gangs?

A bang get together that gangs, I think.

top 4.

Effeminate men of course being a positive thing.. *there's enough aggressive muscleheads on earth, imo..=)

1) Libra
2) Pisces
3) The Venus side of the Taurus man; not the bull side, aka *The Rock* ..

4) The fourth is kind of tough?? Maybe aqua - simply because they have the talent of appearing somewhat genderless at will, if they want to be. *Adrogenious*

ya'll can keep the effeminate ones all to yourselves

I want a manly man

lol.

"How the hell are Taurians effeminate. No earth sign should be categorized as effeminate"

Taurus like pretty things, and that's quite feminine.

My list:

1.Libra
2.Gemini
3.Taurus
4.Virgo
5.Aquarius

"Taurus like pretty things, and that's quite feminine. "

Yes, guys are never attracted to beauty. That's why we're famous for not being shallow, and for always picking an interesting personality over a pretty face.

That's also why you'll never see famous male artists.

I dunno, Yum, you sort of lost me there.. 😛

I think every man has their feminine side, some project masculinity more than others. Yes, that's that. Even those decidely feminine project a sort of genteel masculinity stronger than brute strength.

"All earth and water signs are feminine. That would make the men astrologically effiminate."

Yeah but some masculine signs are decidedly feminine too. Take those ruled by venus and mercury.

But then again it all depends on your definition of effeminate. Without a proper definition everything's included.

Do you mean effeminate as in

artistic
sensitive
gentle
submissive
beautiful
peaceful
talkative
fashionable
weak (god forbid?!)

"artistic
sensitive"

Those two have don't have much to do with femininity. Men are by far the better artists(also, there is an inordinate number of Martians amongst the most popular artists - Van Gogh, Picasso, Monet, Goya and Rodin to name some). And for the sensitivity thing...well, I'm assuming you meant consideration and sensitivity for other people's feelings and not susceptibility to stimulation, because otherwise I don't think that makes much sense.

"I'm assuming you meant consideration and sensitivity for other people's feelings and not susceptibility to stimulation, because otherwise I don't think that makes much sense."

Yes, both, because the latter, susceptible to stimulation by others may result in passivity.
Therein lies my confusion. I think effeminity is a grey area. Take the most masculine sign, and they may project strength but crumble un'neath.

So, take a person seen as traditionally masculine: into martial arts or boxing. But when they're not doing sport they're shy, retiring and non-dominant. What does that make them?

Or a guy who looks feminine - long hair, no biceps, skinny, but throws a punch of iron.

"Those two have don't have much to do with femininity. Men are by far the better artists"

This may be another ambiguous area, but I suppose the artistically inclined are seen as slightly more feminine than the scientific/logical approach.

Do people see effeminity with regard to appearance, or personality? I think these two can be distinct and opposing in a person.

"This may be another ambiguous area, but I suppose the artistically inclined are seen as slightly more feminine than the scientific/logical approach."

Why the dichotomy? There are plenty of people who are both aristic(especially if you consider music - quite a few mathematician are gifted musicians) and logical(e.g. Da Vinci).

Oh this is easy, gotta be

1) Virgo
2) Pisces
3) Aquarius
4) Libra

And if there was a 5th I'd say Sagittarius

Water and air signs pretty much.
Don't know why sag is getting mentioned

air signs are supposed to be masculine

^^ obviously a homosexual

also, yum, i'm a little disappointed that you still make those heinous generalizations.

some jew. i mean...

"Why the dichotomy? There are plenty of people who are both aristic(especially if you consider music - quite a few mathematician are gifted musicians) and logical(e.g. Da Vinci)."

Yup I know, but the topic at hand requires a certain amount of generalisation, since it's black and white. The arty-farty are generally seen as more feminine. If you'd ask me, both the artistic and musical professions lean slightly more to the feminine side.
So are academics (vaguely, in one way or another).. pshaw.. confusing topic.

"And some feminine signs are decidedly masculine too ( Capricorn and Virgo) although mercury is known to be a hermaphrodite."

Yup.. strangely, then if mutable signs (virgo, gemini and sag) lean either way, then they're more likely to have both qualities of male and female in them, but it does not seem as obvious as libra (being in balance).

Capricorn, a feminine sign is an exaltation of Mars (masculinity). This in itself is a paradox.
Libra, a masculine sign is ruled by venus (feminity). Another weird paradox. I never really understood the dichotomy.


"your kinda off, even tho those guys don't have noticeable biceps, they have very toned muscles."

Yeah, you'd be surprised how many of them are called 'feminine'. Especially if they wear earrings 😛. And they do yoga, a rather 'sedentary' sport.

"Virgos are most certainly not feminine. If you see a sensitive Virgo, trust me, he's a faggot, and has nothing to do with his sign. Straight virgo men do not appears feminine at all."

I have met many virgo men who are very gentle creatures. I wouldn't call them outright masculine, but they do have masculine traits. Most virgos I know are emotional, sensitive and supportive, non-dominant, and into the health profession. And they're straight.


I forgot pisces. I think pisces men take the cake for this (sorry, Neptune..). Effeminate men have an alluring masculinity (in that they're comfortable expressing their feminity).

"also, yum, i'm a little disappointed that you still make those heinous generalizations."

I rarely change my opinions on such matters.

"Who the hell is Yum?"

Going blind, old man?

"The arty-farty are generally seen as more feminine. If you'd ask me, both the artistic and musical professions lean slightly more to the feminine side."

Musical professions are feminine? Really? Why is the vast majority of famous musicians comprised of males then?

"So are academics (vaguely, in one way or another).. pshaw.. confusing topic."

Academics are feminine? While most of the jobs at unis are held by men? I've never before encountered that opinion in my life, to tell you the truth.

But to each his/her own, I guess. My opinion of feminine professions: teaching(academics are mostly about research, though), literature(quite a few famous female authors), design(not when it involves high spatial intelligence though), and some(most, perhaps) of the soft sciences.

"Musical professions are feminine? Really? Why is the vast majority of famous musicians comprised of males then?"

They're expressing their feminine side?
As how women body builders or government bodies/ managers express their masculine side..

"Academics are feminine? While most of the jobs at unis are held by men? I've never before encountered that opinion in my life, to tell you the truth."

Well yeah, in the sense that sporty types are masculine, and bookish types are feminine (again, a generalisation that just stuck due to years of infiltration; not necessarily true though).

"teaching(academics are mostly about research, though), literature(quite a few famous female authors), design(not when it involves high spatial intelligence though), and some(most, perhaps) of the soft sciences."

Bah, Yum, what difference is there, besides a small margin.. Academics in research are thought to be masculine because of the academic 'power' they are thought to hold. In a culture brought up to revere the intellect, researchers are held to higher esteem.

But then again lecturers and professors are also teachers, in a sense. And philosophy, semi-part of literature, is male dominated in the same way as academic research.

In areas like psychiatry/counselling, it would take a feminine trait (care-giving, listening) and masculine trait (research and leadership). Healthcare is mostly a feminine occupation, but is filled with men.

As is the restaurant/ cooking trades.

"They're expressing their feminine side?
As how women body builders or government bodies/ managers express their masculine side.."

So, whatever profession you consider feminine/masculine has absolutely nothing to do with the demographic of that profession, but with your totally unbased opinion?
Really though, being a musician(or an artist, for that matter) is about taking a rather big risk which will likely not pay-off financially, are you really saying females are more prone than males to take such risks?

"Well yeah, in the sense that sporty types are masculine, and bookish types are feminine (again, a generalisation that just stuck due to years of infiltration; not necessarily true though)."

Not really, both extremes are masculine, it's the middle that's feminine(imo, anyway).

"Bah, Yum, what difference is there, besides a small margin.. Academics in research are thought to be masculine because of the academic 'power' they are thought to hold. In a culture brought up to revere the intellect, researchers are held to higher esteem.

But then again lecturers and professors are also teachers, in a sense. And philosophy, semi-part of literature, is male dominated in the same way as academic research."

Philosophy is also semi-part of every science in existence...

"In areas like psychiatry/counselling, it would take a feminine trait (care-giving, listening) and masculine trait (research and leadership). Healthcare is mostly a feminine occupation, but is filled with men."

You wouldn't need as many researchers as you would actual therapists, now would you?

Yum, I don't quite get you. It seems you're throwing a curve ball; I'm not quite understanding the debate.


"So, whatever profession you consider feminine/masculine has absolutely nothing to do with the demographic of that profession, but with your totally unbased opinion? "

I don't get this. There are demographics for feminity/masculinity of professions?

"Really though, being a musician(or an artist, for that matter) is about taking a rather big risk which will likely not pay-off financially, are you really saying females are more prone than males to take such risks?"

I didn't mention the risks thing.

"Not really, both extremes are masculine, it's the middle that's feminine(imo, anyway)."

And how could you justify that?? It seems more of a libra thing.

"Philosophy is also semi-part of every science in existence..."

Yeah so how does it tie up with the question and the answers previously? It seems the topic fades into philosophy now. 😛

"You wouldn't need as many researchers as you would actual therapists, now would you?"

There are loads of researchers... but how would that tie in to what you're questioning about my proposition?

I'd take a wild guess here and say I'm 98% confident that your mercury is in Libra. It has a sort of airy abstract quality. Btw, you seem like a dominant air scorpio. 😛

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Ms Pisces, I did mention god forbid, yesh? 😛
But I'd be honest now; feminity is traditionally thought of as weak. A strong woman would assumably be exhibiting their inherent masculine trait, which, I believe, as a redeeming statement, exists in both men and women.
So even though masculinity defines a man, and feminity defines a woman, they need not be boxed up by their (traditionally) assigned roles, for both traits exist within them.
But to prevent biasness, both masculinity and feminity have their flaws. "Weak" is a negative term, and shouldn't be used. But, feminity is Yin - the night (negative), as oppsed to masculinity being Yang - the light (positive). So that's where it stems.

well...his mercury is in scorpio.

and i think you guys would be better off arguing, like, politics or religion or something.

"I don't get this. There are demographics for feminity/masculinity of professions?"

What I'm trying to say is that some professions are preferred by men, are mostly comprised of them and therefore they are masculine.

"I didn't mention the risks thing."

That's good to know.

"And how could you justify that?? It seems more of a libra thing."

Generally speaking, males, being more prone to risk taking for societal and/or biological reasons, are also more likely to stray from the pack. Specifically to this issue, you'll find that there is more of a variance when it comes to male intelligence, so that there are more smart(bookish) and stupid(jocks) males than there are females. So those that are of average intelligence are more similar to women.

"There are loads of researchers... but how would that tie in to what you're questioning about my proposition?"

I'm trying to say that there isn't really a 50/50 divide in psychiatry/counselling, because it usually takes more of the feminine traits you mentioned than the male traits. We got slightly side-tracked, didn't we?😛

"I'd take a wild guess here and say I'm 98% confident that your mercury is in Libra. It has a sort of airy abstract quality. Btw, you seem like a dominant air scorpio."

Just venus and asc.(and Jupiter in Gemini).

"Clout. Men generally tend to trust men and have a "brotherhood" going. Women less likely so. It's not a question of qualification only but also outlook. To say that just because there are more men is such and such field and hence masculine is ignoring general social realities."

It could certainly play a part, but it's extent can only be guessed. It's not like there aren't any other reasons for the lack of females in academia.

Ah, so your case was that men have more contacts in industry. I don't know how I missed that.

On a serious note, if males have an advantage in getting contacts in the industry this advantage should not be overlooked. Also, I find the notion that males would have 2.5 patents for every 1 patent females have only on account of some vague sense of "brotherhood" among contacts quite odd.

Not to forget:
"The authors found that male patenters typically have the highest number of academic papers that are published;"

"the explanation as to why this was the case, was infered in the paragraph that I had singled out."

Academic papers are linked to industry contacts? I must admit, this is new to me.

"It really isn't as "vague" and "odd" as you think. Come to America and study here, Yum. You'll know what people are talking about."

No thanks, I'm about half Iraqian and I'd rather not be arrested as a suspected terrorist.

"Also the author did note that younger generation female researchers were catching up."

People who are generally prejudiced against women/for men are somehow not prejudiced against younger women/for younger men? Quite odd.

"...Which could be a change in outlook(more risk taking)..."

So, you do agree that there are other factors involved. Do you also agree that the effect of prejudice is pretty much impossible to determine?

"Academic papers go the same way. Not money but the ability to pull strings."

If you say so...

"You are infering it wrong. "

Hey, I'm going by what you said.

"Which would be? Women not taking enough risk before and are now? Yes. But that is what I had pointed out before. A cause of social reality. Not because they were not capable."

If I were you, I'd check the context of that post. I've never claimed women aren't capable, and I've never said the social reality of the situation has no effect on it(how ridiculous would that be?), what I have said is that the degree and effect of prejudice is very questionable. Also, would you mind looking at the title of the thread and at my previous posts? Thanks, you'll notice that they concern social conceptions of gender. I said that academics are(or shoould be) considered masculine. The concept of masculinity, as you probably know, is closely related to risk taking behavior...

Well, perhaps not necessarily the title of the thread, but certainly most of the discussion.

my brother is a pisces and he's far from feminine, in fact he can be a str8 up dawg sometimes.

I've been told I look feminine. I hate it.

Look at the bright side, they are the fairer sex, aren't they?

How to best answer this question, well I would have to base it on the recent trend for males wearing pink shirts, based on this:

1. Pisces
2. Cancer
3. Aries
4. Virgo (I agree with Brahn, I think these guys are closet fags)

Not the most scientific of methods, but I am basing effeminism on astrology.
🙂

Well, *The Donald* (Gemini) wears a pink tie ..Lots actually! You can't get much more masculine, competitive or tough then 'The Man ..! 😉

*the color actually looks good on most men.

haha, i think it looks very nice too if worn correctly.

Sorry, a little late, but still..

"Generally speaking, males, being more prone to risk taking for societal and/or biological reasons, are also more likely to stray from the pack. Specifically to this issue, you'll find that there is more of a variance when it comes to male intelligence, so that there are more smart(bookish) and stupid(jocks) males than there are females. So those that are of average intelligence are more similar to women."

I read this till the last sentence, which doesn't seem to fit so well here. (had to do a double read). Average intelligence more similar to women.. now that's taking it a bit too far.. by georg(ina)! Forgive me for doing some eye rolling there.
How did you come up with that? It's decidedly sexist.
Extremists aren't necessarily men, you know. There are still the indifferent and the neutral men camps.

"Just venus and asc.(and Jupiter in Gemini)."

That's quite a bit.

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"I thought it was Saturn."

No, no, Saturn is exalted in Libra.
Mars exalts in Capricorn.

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Back to Yum, I don't see risk taking as particularly masculine.. it's more of an adventuresome/daredevil trait. You'd exclude the more stable signs, i.e Taurus with that proposition.

Brahn,

"...but most certainly lack practical refinement."

Practical refinement is an Earthy trait (in particular virgoan). Alot of men lack practicality, ask the predominant water, air or fire sign peeps.

"How did you come up with that? It's decidedly sexist."

We discussed it earlier. If it is sexist...well, reality isn't always pc, apparently.

"Extremists aren't necessarily men, you know. There are still the indifferent and the neutral men camps."

I wasn't trying to say all men are extremists, just that they are genereally more extreme.

"Back to Yum, I don't see risk taking as particularly masculine.. it's more of an adventuresome/daredevil trait. You'd exclude the more stable signs, i.e Taurus with that proposition."

Really? So you think women are as likely to participate in risky behavior as men are? That's a pretty refreshing opinion.