Free Will.
This topic was created in the Astrology forum by AA on Sunday, July 31, 2011 and has 16 replies.
1. The ability or discretion to choose; free choice: chose to remain behind of my own free will.
2. The power of making free choices that are unconstrained by external circumstances or by an agency such as fate or divine will.
(http://www.thefreedictionary.com/free+will)
2. The power of making free choices that are unconstrained by external circumstances or by an agency such as fate or divine will.
(http://www.thefreedictionary.com/free+will)
It's like we're born into a box, and within that box we can do anything we want.
But we're restrained to the creation of the box, and the contents inside.
That my friend, is Astrology.
The only thing affecting the performance and condition of your box is outside influences.
If your meant to be rich it can happen. If your meant to gain 300lbs and lose 350lbs it can happen.
... If you never gained 300lbs in the first place that's because you prevented yourself from doing that.
If your meant slip on an apple when your 21 it can happen. You might not.
... But you won't slip on a banana because that's not meant to happen.
Your box doesn't have the capability to do so, nor the tools.
If Astrology didn't exist we would all essentially have the gift of free will.
Do what we want, when we want, how we want, and if we want.
But that would make us God wouldn't it?
But we're restrained to the creation of the box, and the contents inside.
That my friend, is Astrology.
The only thing affecting the performance and condition of your box is outside influences.
If your meant to be rich it can happen. If your meant to gain 300lbs and lose 350lbs it can happen.
... If you never gained 300lbs in the first place that's because you prevented yourself from doing that.
If your meant slip on an apple when your 21 it can happen. You might not.
... But you won't slip on a banana because that's not meant to happen.
Your box doesn't have the capability to do so, nor the tools.
If Astrology didn't exist we would all essentially have the gift of free will.
Do what we want, when we want, how we want, and if we want.
But that would make us God wouldn't it?
yeah Pandy u coulda waited sheesh
i'm having a moment hear...
I'd Just like to say,
I like the idea of my own little box and it's own little capabilities only unique to me.
But i also like the idea of free will and having the ability to be the best and the worst person has ever seen, not just my box has ever seen.
I say fuck astrology and fuck it if says "you will be this" "you will be that" "you have troubles do this" "and your cock will be small"
I like the idea of my own little box and it's own little capabilities only unique to me.
But i also like the idea of free will and having the ability to be the best and the worst person has ever seen, not just my box has ever seen.
I say fuck astrology and fuck it if says "you will be this" "you will be that" "you have troubles do this" "and your cock will be small"
Moment's over now. You ruined it.
Your theory is cute but maybe i don't want knee pads?
I just know for a fact that all the extensive shit iv'e read on my chart (and it is extensive) has implanted itself and ingrained into my subconscious, and that any choice i attempt to make from now on is hampered in some way.
Your theory is cute but maybe i don't want knee pads?
I just know for a fact that all the extensive shit iv'e read on my chart (and it is extensive) has implanted itself and ingrained into my subconscious, and that any choice i attempt to make from now on is hampered in some way.
Posted by WynterBourne
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Posted by Wasis
God is a concept. Choice is never free. Freedom is a myth. I had a discussion with a friend about this awhile back.
Interesting...
Astrology doesn't dictate my actions. It helps me understand them.
Yes but how do you feel about your actions and emotions being pulled like a puppet? Because the "stars" say so?
Posted by periperilicious
My response to you, Sir:
"Episode 53 of the Brain Science Podcast is a discussion of Did My Neurons Make Me Do It?: Philosophical and Neurobiological Perspectives on Moral Responsibility and Free Will by Nancey Murphy and Warren S. Brown. This book challenges the widespread fear that neuroscience is revealing an explanation of the human mind that concludes that moral responsibility and free will are illusions created by our brains. Instead the authors argue that the problem is the assumption that a physicalist/materialistic model of the mind must also be reductionist (a viewpoint that all causes are bottom-up). In this podcast I discuss their arguments against causal reductionism and for a dynamic systems model. We also discuss why we need to avoid brain-body dualism and recognize that our mind is more than just what our brain does. The key to preserving our intuitive sense of our selves as free agents capable of reason, moral responsibility, and free will is that the dynamic systems approach allows top-down causation, without resorting to any supernatural causes or breaking any of the know laws of the physical universe. This is a complex topic, but I present a concise overview of the book's key ideas."
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Posted by Reason
Astrology simply depicts certain patterns, it doesn't create them
Obviously, there are limits but if we utilized all the actual opportunities we overlook and miss, we wouldn't be bored
Diversity and open-mindedness are the keys
Strong and sudden "feelings" and hunches can overcome him. More often than not, his intuition is correct, although his imagination is also powerful and he can read too much into a situation as a result. Some laziness is associated with this position. This stems from a natural timidity and sensitivity that is apparent from youth. He may have been labeled "shy" in youth, and family members or friends may have jumped in to "save" him from situations that required boldness or aggressiveness. Thus, passivity was accepted and, as adults, he may be less experienced than most when it comes to reaching out or going after what he wants.
Ya, it's kinda hard to be open-minded when you read shit like this. I guess you could throw hinesight at me but you face the ever so boring problem of inevitability
Posted by AA
I just know for a fact that all the extensive shit iv'e read on my chart (and it is extensive) has implanted itself and ingrained into my subconscious, and that any choice i attempt to make from now on is hampered in some way.
Indeed.
You're a smart dude, and apparantly experiencing a higher brain function ..... perhaps, your mind always does and it's not really a moment of this highness, rather a moment of you sharing with us one of your upper layers.
This same programming applies to many things, practically all things .... you are what you learned to be, every thought you have stems from a conditioning.
** hugs **
I love smart people
ok boxes are like the matrix..you get out of one matrix only to find your in another matrix
wherever you are you are limited. if your on a desert island you cant do many things because you will die. Your in a box. If you are in society you are bound by rules, same in a job.
Also you are limited by your lack of imagination..lack of free time...lack of resources... lack of energy...the list goes on.
Even in dreams you dont have free will. The dreams have rules. Ever found yourself unable to walk through a wall? Unable to taste a food or feel someone touching you? Ever found you cant make the changes to the dream you are trying to make?
Free will is an ideal but its not possible and the reason why is very deep. Its because everything comes from causes and produces consequences. You cant plant a golden tree because you dont have a seed that can produce a tree that has 24 carat gold leaves. You cant gather the causes. And even if you could your free will would be destroyed but the consequences...the gold rush........a mass of thieves and scientists coming to take away your seeds and leaves.
wherever you are you are limited. if your on a desert island you cant do many things because you will die. Your in a box. If you are in society you are bound by rules, same in a job.
Also you are limited by your lack of imagination..lack of free time...lack of resources... lack of energy...the list goes on.
Even in dreams you dont have free will. The dreams have rules. Ever found yourself unable to walk through a wall? Unable to taste a food or feel someone touching you? Ever found you cant make the changes to the dream you are trying to make?
Free will is an ideal but its not possible and the reason why is very deep. Its because everything comes from causes and produces consequences. You cant plant a golden tree because you dont have a seed that can produce a tree that has 24 carat gold leaves. You cant gather the causes. And even if you could your free will would be destroyed but the consequences...the gold rush........a mass of thieves and scientists coming to take away your seeds and leaves.
The question is maybe about the other extreme.is there no free will? I would say there is because the causes lead to an effect of being at a crossroads where you can take a variety of directions. This is because multiple effects arise simultaneously.
At breakfast you can have tea or coffee or orange juice because all 3 arose. The bean pickers delivered, so did the tea leaf pickers and so did the orange squeezers. People claim theres no free will because only one thing arises so its set in stone.. the forget that a huge range of these cause effect situational chains are manifesting at once and you can choose which one to pay attention to. You walk into a room and there are 10 people there ....each person is there because a long chain of events led them there. But that doesnt fix yourt fate with them.because yu have a huge range of pats you can take within that box.you can be rude, flirty, polite, mean, serious, boastful. You can talk to person 1 or 2 or 3 or introduce person 5 to person 8 who will get married and remember how you helped them for many years. So your in a box but theres a lot of options
At breakfast you can have tea or coffee or orange juice because all 3 arose. The bean pickers delivered, so did the tea leaf pickers and so did the orange squeezers. People claim theres no free will because only one thing arises so its set in stone.. the forget that a huge range of these cause effect situational chains are manifesting at once and you can choose which one to pay attention to. You walk into a room and there are 10 people there ....each person is there because a long chain of events led them there. But that doesnt fix yourt fate with them.because yu have a huge range of pats you can take within that box.you can be rude, flirty, polite, mean, serious, boastful. You can talk to person 1 or 2 or 3 or introduce person 5 to person 8 who will get married and remember how you helped them for many years. So your in a box but theres a lot of options
Posted by caesarkreshen
I think we are confined somewhat, but I believe we have a lot more power than you think. Look, we are interacting right now. I am influencing you, you are influencing me. That is fate? No... I could decide tomorrow to become a murderer or a rapist and NOTHING WOULD STOP ME. Everyone has the same potential to do negative things.
Now that's a good point. And it's a good point you bring up about what's infinity. But i don't think you really do have the capabilty to go on a killing spree. (Unless of course you match the requirments needed to become such a thing) Simply beacause just like a dog doesn't bite for no reason, you'd have to have outside influences and forces to take part in your life in such a negative way, and even then i'd assume some kind of crazy allignment would be the straw that breaks the cammels back so to speak.
those are some interesting analogies michellemabelle but your talking about something that's out of our power and control. I'm talking about the freedom of choice specifically.
Posted by P-AngelPosted by AA
I just know for a fact that all the extensive shit iv'e read on my chart (and it is extensive) has implanted itself and ingrained into my subconscious, and that any choice i attempt to make from now on is hampered in some way.
Indeed.
You're a smart dude, and apparantly experiencing a higher brain function ..... perhaps, your mind always does and it's not really a moment of this highness, rather a moment of you sharing with us one of your upper layers.
This same programming applies to many things, practically all things .... you are what you learned to be, every thought you have stems from a conditioning.
** hugs **
I love smart peopleclick to expand
Thanks, but sorry I usually keep my upper layers hidden. IN MY MIIIND!
And hugs back to you
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