Interpreting degrees/houses/and aspects

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I don't want to make a thread for each question..
All info is appreciated!

So I have my chart posted in my photos if anyone wants to reference it.
I'm confused about a few things...

1. Why are there two signs that fall in each house? How will that effect a sign at the 29th or 0 degree.
2. Are some houses actually bigger in proportion to other houses? Why?
3. Some websites say I'm a 7th house Taurus and some say Gemini, that's a big difference.. How can I be sure?

I also think I still have an elementary way of understanding aspects..

4. Do aspects always have to be within an exact degree? Like you can't just say, capricorn and Virgo are trine.. Right? It has to be the right degree away from each other?
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Hi smile

Hopefully my answers will be helpful, and others can fill in gaps.

1. There are different "systems" for analyzing birth data astrologically, and one of the most commonly used ones - Placidus - can result in more than one sign being in a house.

The effect is that the signs in that house express themselves in that house, no matter what degree they're in.

2. Yes, in some systems, like Placidus, a house can be bigger than others. I've tried to understand the technicalities, but it's confusing to me. I found this thread on another forum that might help: http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15336

3. Depending on the system of analysis that is used, where placements go can change a bit, or a lot. Accurate birth time (down to the minute) and birth place and using a site that has good calculation software, like astro.com, can help narrow things down more accurately.

4. Yes, most astrologers say that degrees matter. Up to 10 for the luminaries (sun and moon) and up to 7 (or 8 sometimes) for the planets. For things like Part of Fortune, which most people don't use now, and even tighter orb is sometimes applied, up to 1-2 degrees.

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Odd, something I wrote for #1 vanished. I wrote that I don't understand the technicalities, but the forum post I linked to covers this question and might be helpful.
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* "an even tighter orb is sometimes applied" is what I meant to write, not my typo of "and".
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I didn't know the reason pretty much all my planets were in the wrong houses was to due to me being born so far north.

This whole chart thang pleases my virgo rising! Everything is now placed where it should be :p ha

Really sweet!- thanx for the article @copperdove

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Posted by Skitty
I didn't know the reason pretty much all my planets were in the wrong houses was to due to me being born so far north.

This whole chart thang pleases my virgo rising! Everything is now placed where it should be :p ha

Really sweet!- thanx for the article @copperdove




You're welcome! I was glad that I found it. I learned a few things too.

I have several planets in the 6th house, and when something can be made more precise I am very happy too, so I can understand why your Virgo rising likes it, haha. smile
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Well I used the default and listed a city in CA as my location and it was pretty much the same as my home town. So it doesn't look like a location thing.

If the whole houses system is inaccurate, does that mean if you have a Sag planet in a Scorpio house- it's Scorpio? Or a Taurus planet in a Gemini house- it is really Gemini- etc etc?

Like 90% of my planets are in the wrong house.

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Posted by Skitty
Well I used the default and listed a city in CA as my location and it was pretty much the same as my home n. So it doesn't look like a location thing.

If the whole houses system is inaccurate, does that mean if you have a Sag planet in a Scorpio house- it's Scorpio? Or a Taurus planet in a Gemini house- it is really Gemini- etc etc?

Like 90% of my planets are in the wrong house.




yeah pretty much.

but I thought you meant further North than Cali. CA is fine. There's just certain longitudes north and south of the equator that Placidus cannot cover. It's not that it's innacurate as a house system. It's just that literally it cannot cover every birth chart on the planet. Some people have to use whole signs. But really we're talking people born extremely far North or South. Near the poles
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Na, i was born way north of Cali- I just selected that to see if the chart would change.

So what about generational signs like Pluto? If you have Pluto in Scorpio and it's in a Libra house- It's a Libra Pluto?
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nm i see you said near the poles lolol helps if i read the ENTIRE paragraph.
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Posted by CopperDove
Hi smile

Hopefully my answers will be helpful, and others can fill in gaps.

1. There are different "systems" for analyzing birth data astrologically, and one of the most commonly used ones - Placidus - can result in more than one sign being in a house.

The effect is that the signs in that house express themselves in that house, no matter what degree they're in.

2. Yes, in some systems, like Placidus, a house can be bigger than others. I've tried to understand the technicalities, but it's confusing to me. I found this thread on another forum that might help: http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15336

3. Depending on the system of analysis that is used, where placements go can change a bit, or a lot. Accurate birth time (down to the minute) and birth place and using a site that has good calculation software, like astro.com, can help narrow things down more accurately.

4. Yes, most astrologers say that degrees matter. Up to 10 for the luminaries (sun and moon) and up to 7 (or 8 sometimes) for the planets. For things like Part of Fortune, which most people don't use now, and even tighter orb is sometimes applied, up to 1-2 degrees.



Thank you, this is news to me so I appreciate your reply.
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Posted by tiziani
Posted by Skitty
Well I used the default and listed a city in CA as my location and it was pretty much the same as my home n. So it doesn't look like a location thing.

If the whole houses system is inaccurate, does that mean if you have a Sag planet in a Scorpio house- it's Scorpio? Or a Taurus planet in a Gemini house- it is really Gemini- etc etc?

Like 90% of my planets are in the wrong house.




yeah pretty much.

but I thought you meant further North than Cali. CA is fine. There's just certain longitudes north and south of the equator that Placidus cannot cover. It's not that it's innacurate as a house system. It's just that literally it cannot cover every birth chart on the planet. Some people have to use whole signs. But really we're talking people born extremely far North or South. Near the poles
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OK.. I see what you are saying. I'm really not that far north though I don't think. I was born in Utah.
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Posted by astrogypsy7
Posted by CopperDove
Hi smile

Hopefully my answers will be helpful, and others can fill in gaps.

1. There are different "systems" for analyzing birth data astrologically, and one of the most commonly used ones - Placidus - can result in more than one sign being in a house.

The effect is that the signs in that house express themselves in that house, no matter what degree they're in.

2. Yes, in some systems, like Placidus, a house can be bigger than others. I've tried to understand the technicalities, but it's confusing to me. I found this thread on another forum that might help: http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15336

3. Depending on the system of analysis that is used, where placements go can change a bit, or a lot. Accurate birth time (down to the minute) and birth place and using a site that has good calculation software, like astro.com, can help narrow things down more accurately.

4. Yes, most astrologers say that degrees matter. Up to 10 for the luminaries (sun and moon) and up to 7 (or 8 sometimes) for the planets. For things like Part of Fortune, which most people don't use now, and even tighter orb is sometimes applied, up to 1-2 degrees.



Thank you, this is news to me so I appreciate your reply.
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You're welcome. smile
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Posted by tiziani
Posted by Skitty
Well I used the default and listed a city in CA as my location and it was pretty much the same as my home n. So it doesn't look like a location thing.

If the whole houses system is inaccurate, does that mean if you have a Sag planet in a Scorpio house- it's Scorpio? Or a Taurus planet in a Gemini house- it is really Gemini- etc etc?

Like 90% of my planets are in the wrong house.




yeah pretty much.

but I thought you meant further North than Cali. CA is fine. There's just certain longitudes north and south of the equator that Placidus cannot cover. It's not that it's innacurate as a house system. It's just that literally it cannot cover every birth chart on the planet. Some people have to use whole signs. But really we're talking people born extremely far North or South. Near the poles


OK.. I see what you are saying. I'm really not that far north though I don't think. I was born in Utah.


and then you moved to Texas?
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Yes....
How do you know?
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Man... that double house thing is so confusing. So you're saying that whatever signs comprise a house that you will have an influence from both? Because what I find confusing is how a chart can say that someone has Aquarius in the 9th, and Capricorn in the 7th and 8th house yet their saturn is Aqaurius in the 8th house. (this is not my info) So its just like adding a dualistic quality to every house..? SO MUCH TO CONSIDER! I swear my brain wants to explode sometimes when I'm learning astrology, its satisfying yet overwhelming. All of you are so well versed, I envy you.
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Man... that double house thing is so confusing. So you're saying that whatever signs comprise a house that you will have an influence from both? Because what I find confusing is how a chart can say that someone has Aquarius in the 9th, and Capricorn in the 7th and 8th house yet their saturn is Aqaurius in the 8th house. (this is not my info) So its just like adding a dualistic quality to every house..? SO MUCH TO CONSIDER! I swear my brain wants to explode sometimes when I'm learning astrology, its satisfying yet overwhelming. All of you are so well versed, I envy you.


It can be confusing, but the way I see it is that any sign in a house is influenced by the number of the house. The way the signs divide up between the houses can vary, so some degrees of one sign will be in one house, and the rest will be in the house next to it. Charts online don't show degrees clearly, often, making it more confusing to figure out visually but when you can see the number of degrees it's easier to understand what's happening.

I have three signs that get into my 6th house, for example. It's the last degrees of Virgo, then all degrees of Libra, than the first half of Scorpio.

I think that my planets in my 6th house are all made to be Virgo-like, because of the 6th house. But note that I said Virgo-like, not Virgo, because only one of the planets is actually in Virgo, the rest are in Libra and Scorpio.
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Man... that double house thing is so confusing. So you're saying that whatever signs comprise a house that you will have an influence from both? Because what I find confusing is how a chart can say that someone has Aquarius in the 9th, and Capricorn in the 7th and 8th house yet their saturn is Aqaurius in the 8th house. (this is not my info) So its just like adding a dualistic quality to every house..? SO MUCH TO CONSIDER! I swear my brain wants to explode sometimes when I'm learning astrology, its satisfying yet overwhelming. All of you are so well versed, I envy you.


It can be confusing, but the way I see it is that any sign in a house is influenced by the number of the house. The way the signs divide up between the houses can vary, so some degrees of one sign will be in one house, and the rest will be in the house next to it. Charts online don't show degrees clearly, often, making it more confusing to figure out visually but when you can see the number of degrees it's easier to understand what's happening.

I have three signs that get into my 6th house, for example. It's the last degrees of Virgo, then all degrees of Libra, than the first half of Scorpio.

I think that my planets in my 6th house are all made to be Virgo-like, because of the 6th house. But note that I said Virgo-like, not Virgo, because only one of the planets is actually in Virgo, the rest are in Libra and Scorpio.
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It continues to fascinate me just how multifaceted astrology is. I think I understand what you're saying. Thanks for breaking that down. So in the context of Saturn though, if for example your Saturn is in Aquarius and in the 8th house but your 8th house is Capricorn then thats just saying that the Capricorn takes a scorpio influence and the saturn aquarius plays out in the 8th house with a scoprio like influence as well?
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Yes, the 8th house influence is going to be strong for anything that is in the 8th house. The sign the planet is in counts too, but it will be acting in the realm of 8 house things.
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Yes, the 8th house influence is going to be strong for anything that is in the 8th house. The sign the planet is in counts too, but it will be acting in the realm of 8 house things.


So if the rulers of the signs are at odds with the rulers of the house, would you interpret that almost like how a planet can be in detriment in a sign, like Mars Libra?
I feel like that's so much to consider for even one house. Good lord. So you have to think about how Aquarius and scorpio deal with each other, how do saturn and aquarius deal, capricorn and scorpio and capricorn and aquarius too. Right?

Sorry I just have to clarify a lot so I make sure I understand correctly.
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Posted by CopperDove
Yes, the 8th house influence is going to be strong for anything that is in the 8th house. The sign the planet is in counts too, but it will be acting in the realm of 8 house things.


So if the rulers of the signs are at odds with the rulers of the house, would you interpret that almost like how a planet can be in detriment in a sign, like Mars Libra?
I feel like that's so much to consider for even one house. Good lord. So you have to think about how Aquarius and scorpio deal with each other, how do saturn and aquarius deal, capricorn and scorpio and capricorn and aquarius too. Right?

Sorry I just have to clarify a lot so I make sure I understand correctly.
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Yes, that can be the case. Some planets are believed to be not a good fit for certain houses. I have my sun in the 7th house, for example, and that isn't a good place for the sun (according to theory). It softens my Scorpio sun. I actually like it, and think it's positive for me (makes the energy less chaotic) but according to theory it isn't ideal.
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-- and I have Sag in my 7th house too, with two Sag planets, but they would likely be seen as not such a bad fit for the 7th house because the 7th house is traditionally ruled by Libra and Libra and Sag are sextile.
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-- and I have Sag in my 7th house too, with two Sag planets, but they would likely be seen as not such a bad fit for the 7th house because the 7th house is traditionally ruled by Libra and Libra and Sag are sextile.


I think I get it! But how do you synthesize having so many components...
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Posted by astrogypsy7
Posted by CopperDove
Yes, the 8th house influence is going to be strong for anything that is in the 8th house. The sign the planet is in counts too, but it will be acting in the realm of 8 house things.


So if the rulers of the signs are at odds with the rulers of the house, would you interpret that almost like how a planet can be in detriment in a sign, like Mars Libra?
I feel like that's so much to consider for even one house. Good lord. So you have to think about how Aquarius and scorpio deal with each other, how do saturn and aquarius deal, capricorn and scorpio and capricorn and aquarius too. Right?

Sorry I just have to clarify a lot so I make sure I understand correctly.


Yes, that can be the case. Some planets are believed to be not a good fit for certain houses. I have my sun in the 7th house, for example, and that isn't a good place for the sun (according to theory). It softens my Scorpio sun. I actually like it, and think it's positive for me (makes the energy less chaotic) but according to theory it isn't ideal.
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i wonder why some astrologers think that, (in theory) of 7th house suns, is it because libra sun is in the fall?? and if the sun sign of any of the 12, fall into the house of libra, it becomes fall too??

meaning, it is the same principle of 7th house/libra sun needing a partner to function Fully??? for the "other"??

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i do notice when i research alot of 7th house sun/venus are with libra dominants, or packed 7th housers too. So they all "get" eachother, in a way that they need to function equally for eachother.
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i do notice when i research alot of 7th house sun/venus are with libra dominants, or packed 7th housers too. So they all "get" eachother, in a way that they need to function equally for eachother.


Are you wondering if any sun sign in the 7th is considered being fallen or if it's only the sun in libra in the 7th that is fallen? I cant appropriately answer you either way because I'm not sure but for the sake of understanding when someone does answer you I just wanted to get clarification on what you're asking.
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Yes, the 8th house influence is going to be strong for anything that is in the 8th house. The sign the planet is in counts too, but it will be acting in the realm of 8 house things.


So if the rulers of the signs are at odds with the rulers of the house, would you interpret that almost like how a planet can be in detriment in a sign, like Mars Libra?
I feel like that's so much to consider for even one house. Good lord. So you have to think about how Aquarius and scorpio deal with each other, how do saturn and aquarius deal, capricorn and scorpio and capricorn and aquarius too. Right?

Sorry I just have to clarify a lot so I make sure I understand correctly.


Yes, that can be the case. Some planets are believed to be not a good fit for certain houses. I have my sun in the 7th house, for example, and that isn't a good place for the sun (according to theory). It softens my Scorpio sun. I actually like it, and think it's positive for me (makes the energy less chaotic) but according to theory it isn't ideal.


i wonder why some astrologers think that, (in theory) of 7th house suns, is it because libra sun is in the fall?? and if the sun sign of any of the 12, fall into the house of libra, it becomes fall too??

meaning, it is the same principle of 7th house/libra sun needing a partner to function Fully??? for the "other"??


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Yes, from what I understand, I think it's exactly as you described it.
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i do notice when i research alot of 7th house sun/venus are with libra dominants, or packed 7th housers too. So they all "get" eachother, in a way that they need to function equally for eachother.


I've known a lot of LIbra dominants and people with strong 7th houses, so I think that's true in my life at least. My Venus isn't in the 7th, but it's conjunct my sun so it probably works together a bit. I have sun, Mercury Neptune and Part of Fortune in the 7th.
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-- and I have Sag in my 7th house too, with two Sag planets, but they would likely be seen as not such a bad fit for the 7th house because the 7th house is traditionally ruled by Libra and Libra and Sag are sextile.


I think I get it! But how do you synthesize having so many components...
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It isn't easy, but what helps me is to observe myself and others and try to pick up on the energies and how they work in real life. It starts to make sense the more I study/feel/observe.
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I need some clarification of my question #4... lol thank you in advance.
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Posted by astrogypsy7
Posted by CopperDove
Yes, the 8th house influence is going to be strong for anything that is in the 8th house. The sign the planet is in counts too, but it will be acting in the realm of 8 house things.


So if the rulers of the signs are at odds with the rulers of the house, would you interpret that almost like how a planet can be in detriment in a sign, like Mars Libra?
I feel like that's so much to consider for even one house. Good lord. So you have to think about how Aquarius and scorpio deal with each other, how do saturn and aquarius deal, capricorn and scorpio and capricorn and aquarius too. Right?

Sorry I just have to clarify a lot so I make sure I understand correctly.


Yes, that can be the case. Some planets are believed to be not a good fit for certain houses. I have my sun in the 7th house, for example, and that isn't a good place for the sun (according to theory). It softens my Scorpio sun. I actually like it, and think it's positive for me (makes the energy less chaotic) but according to theory it isn't ideal.


i wonder why some astrologers think that, (in theory) of 7th house suns, is it because libra sun is in the fall?? and if the sun sign of any of the 12, fall into the house of libra, it becomes fall too??

meaning, it is the same principle of 7th house/libra sun needing a partner to function Fully??? for the "other"??




Yes, from what I understand, I think it's exactly as you described it.
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that's what i thought too, especially with all the consistency when researching. *nods* thanks.
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Posted by lisabethur8
i do notice when i research alot of 7th house sun/venus are with libra dominants, or packed 7th housers too. So they all "get" eachother, in a way that they need to function equally for eachother.


Are you wondering if any sun sign in the 7th is considered being fallen or if it's only the sun in libra in the 7th that is fallen? I cant appropriately answer you either way because I'm not sure but for the sake of understanding when someone does answer you I just wanted to get clarification on what you're asking.
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i got it. Copperdove covered it.
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Posted by lisabethur8
i do notice when i research alot of 7th house sun/venus are with libra dominants, or packed 7th housers too. So they all "get" eachother, in a way that they need to function equally for eachother.


Are you wondering if any sun sign in the 7th is considered being fallen or if it's only the sun in libra in the 7th that is fallen? I cant appropriately answer you either way because I'm not sure but for the sake of understanding when someone does answer you I just wanted to get clarification on what you're asking.


suns in the houses where the sun is in fall/debility are not great judges of character IMO.
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7th House sun/venus Warren Beatty?? lol

not to mention, Hitler??

he did Judge allright. An entire race of folks. Very harsh judgement.
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I've had a pretty good track record in my life with determining a person's character, but I know another 7th house sun who has misjudged many times and been fooled by people in painful ways.

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i bet some jew bullied him when he was a kid and that's how the third reich started.


lol
i'm gonna go with this and say....

nope. i bet it was because he had to go HUNGRY and for a taurus during the depression, it's enough to make him pissed off.

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I need some clarification of my question #4... lol thank you in advance.


What would you like to know? smile
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i bet some jew bullied him when he was a kid and that's how the third reich started.


lol
i'm gonna go with this and say....

nope. i bet it was because he had to go HUNGRY and for a taurus during the depression, it's enough to make him pissed off.


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lol, yes, that could do it.
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I need some clarification of my question #4... lol thank you in advance.


What would you like to know? smile
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Do aspects always have to be within an exact degree? Like you can't just say, capricorn and Virgo are trine.. Right? It has to be the right degree away from each other?
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I do feel like I understand quite a bit of astrology but these fundamentals that I'm asking about are hindering me from deepening my understanding at this point.
So I apologize if it just seems like I'm asking stuff that's simple because I really do try to research things before I post about them, I prefer getting information for myself rather than just asking people but these are things I had trouble finding.
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I've had a pretty good track record in my life with determining a person's character, but I know another 7th house sun who has misjudged many times and been fooled by people in painful ways.




ima 7th house sun too.

we like people that like us IMO. that can't be a good judge. it lacks impartiality.
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I don't always. I'll be polite but I might not like them back. I've known some people who were shitty to others but nice to me and I was glad I was spared but didn't trust them.
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Posted by lisabethur8
i do notice when i research alot of 7th house sun/venus are with libra dominants, or packed 7th housers too. So they all "get" eachother, in a way that they need to function equally for eachother.


Are you wondering if any sun sign in the 7th is considered being fallen or if it's only the sun in libra in the 7th that is fallen? I cant appropriately answer you either way because I'm not sure but for the sake of understanding when someone does answer you I just wanted to get clarification on what you're asking.


suns in the houses where the sun is in fall/debility are not great judges of character IMO.
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including Aqua? Sun is in detriment in Aqua...

Not sure i agree about being a bad judge of character, I do give many chances.
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I've had a pretty good track record in my life with determining a person's character, but I know another 7th house sun who has misjudged many times and been fooled by people in painful ways.




ima 7th house sun too.

we like people that like us IMO. that can't be a good judge. it lacks impartiality.
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You like people that like you or you like people who are like you?
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I need some clarification of my question #4... lol thank you in advance.


What would you like to know? smile


Do aspects always have to be within an exact degree? Like you can't just say, capricorn and Virgo are trine.. Right? It has to be the right degree away from each other?
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No problem! I guess I didn't explain it well in my reply earlier.

Yes, they have to be exact degrees to be called an aspect, and for the energies to actually interact in a person, or in synastry (comparing two people).

There are different beliefs about how many degrees an aspect should be.

Many astrologers I've learnt from say 0-10 degrees is allowed if you're looking at a luminary (sun or moon) and comparing it to something else.

And 7-8 are often allowed for non-luminaries (the planets).


So, Capricorn and Virgo are only going to form an aspect if they are 0-10 degrees away from each other if one or both of them is a luminary. For example, Cap Sun and Virgo Moon, or Cap sun and Virgo Venus. Etc.

And they are only going to form an aspect if they are 0-7 or 8 degrees away from each other if they are planets. For example, Cap Venus and Virgo Mars.
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i do notice when i research alot of 7th house sun/venus are with libra dominants, or packed 7th housers too. So they all "get" eachother, in a way that they need to function equally for eachother.


Are you wondering if any sun sign in the 7th is considered being fallen or if it's only the sun in libra in the 7th that is fallen? I cant appropriately answer you either way because I'm not sure but for the sake of understanding when someone does answer you I just wanted to get clarification on what you're asking.


suns in the houses where the sun is in fall/debility are not great judges of character IMO.


including Aqua? Sun is in detriment in Aqua...

Not sure i agree about being a bad judge of character, I do give many chances.


just houses. sun in 11th yeah. more obvious than 7th because the 7th houser might seem to be in a more harmonious environment or a support system of yes men.
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Gotcha thanks Ands smile
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I've had a pretty good track record in my life with determining a person's character, but I know another 7th house sun who has misjudged many times and been fooled by people in painful ways.




ima 7th house sun too.

we like people that like us IMO. that can't be a good judge. it lacks impartiality.


You like people that like you or you like people who are like you?


both but virgo 11th house is the culprit of the latter.
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Hm I have virgo in the 11th as well, no planets though. I do like when people like me...however I am just as quick to not maintain friends that do not have things in common with me.
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I need some clarification of my question #4... lol thank you in advance.


What would you like to know? smile


Do aspects always have to be within an exact degree? Like you can't just say, capricorn and Virgo are trine.. Right? It has to be the right degree away from each other?


No problem! I guess I didn't explain it well in my reply earlier.

Yes, they have to be exact degrees to be called an aspect, and for the energies to actually interact in a person, or in synastry (comparing two people).

There are different beliefs about how many degrees an aspect should be.

Many astrologers I've learnt from say 0-10 degrees is allowed if you're looking at a luminary (sun or moon) and comparing it to something else.

And 7-8 are often allowed for non-luminaries (the planets).


So, Capricorn and Virgo are only going to form an aspect if they are 0-10 degrees away from each other if one or both of them is a luminary. For example, Cap Sun and Virgo Moon, or Cap sun and Virgo Venus. Etc.

And they are only going to form an aspect if they are 0-7 or 8 degrees away from each other if they are planets. For example, Cap Venus and Virgo Mars.
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When you say "Luminary" are you literally meaning the planets that give off light we can see? At first you said (sun,moon) but then you mentioned venus too.
Other than that, I totally get what you're saying. Thanks for clarifying, that is super helpful!
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I've had a pretty good track record in my life with determining a person's character, but I know another 7th house sun who has misjudged many times and been fooled by people in painful ways.




ima 7th house sun too.

we like people that like us IMO. that can't be a good judge. it lacks impartiality.


You like people that like you or you like people who are like you?


both but virgo 11th house is the culprit of the latter.


Hm I have virgo in the 11th as well, no planets though. I do like when people like me...however I am just as quick to not maintain friends that do not have things in common with me.


same. that's a textbook reading from a website. i haven't had a lot of time to observe it myself. maybe 5 years from now you can tell me.
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Lol what will i tell you and why in 5 years? Do you have planets in your 11th? Are you saying that your explanation is textbook or mine..? I'm not always great at articulating to or interpreting people online, sorry if I'm ruining a funny joke or something.
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I need some clarification of my question #4... lol thank you in advance.


What would you like to know? smile


Do aspects always have to be within an exact degree? Like you can't just say, capricorn and Virgo are trine.. Right? It has to be the right degree away from each other?


No problem! I guess I didn't explain it well in my reply earlier.

Yes, they have to be exact degrees to be called an aspect, and for the energies to actually interact in a person, or in synastry (comparing two people).

There are different beliefs about how many degrees an aspect should be.

Many astrologers I've learnt from say 0-10 degrees is allowed if you're looking at a luminary (sun or moon) and comparing it to something else.

And 7-8 are often allowed for non-luminaries (the planets).


So, Capricorn and Virgo are only going to form an aspect if they are 0-10 degrees away from each other if one or both of them is a luminary. For example, Cap Sun and Virgo Moon, or Cap sun and Virgo Venus. Etc.

And they are only going to form an aspect if they are 0-7 or 8 degrees away from each other if they are planets. For example, Cap Venus and Virgo Mars.


When you say "Luminary" are you literally meaning the planets that give off light we can see? At first you said (sun,moon) but then you mentioned venus too.
Other than that, I totally get what you're saying. Thanks for clarifying, that is super helpful!
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Sorry for the confusion!

Luminaries are just the sun and moon.

I was giving examples of the kinds of combinations you'd see if you were using a luminary to compare something else, and how you'd allow up to 10 degrees for the aspect.

So my examples to show you what I mean are two luminaries being compared (sun and moon), or a luminary and a planet being compared (for example, sun and Venus).

So no, Venus isn't a luminary, it just illustrates how a luminary and a planet should be looked at when seeing if they form an aspect or not.

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-- and yes, they are named luminaries because of the light they give off strongly to us. smile
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Well I used the default and listed a city in CA as my location and it was pretty much the same as my home n. So it doesn't look like a location thing.

If the whole houses system is inaccurate, does that mean if you have a Sag planet in a Scorpio house- it's Scorpio? Or a Taurus planet in a Gemini house- it is really Gemini- etc etc?

Like 90% of my planets are in the wrong house.




yeah pretty much.

but I thought you meant further North than Cali. CA is fine. There's just certain longitudes north and south of the equator that Placidus cannot cover. It's not that it's innacurate as a house system. It's just that literally it cannot cover every birth chart on the planet. Some people have to use whole signs. But really we're talking people born extremely far North or South. Near the poles
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Are you talking about Gauquelin charts when you say that a taurus planet(for instance) in a gemini house makes it gemini?
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Well I used the default and listed a city in CA as my location and it was pretty much the same as my home n. So it doesn't look like a location thing.

If the whole houses system is inaccurate, does that mean if you have a Sag planet in a Scorpio house- it's Scorpio? Or a Taurus planet in a Gemini house- it is really Gemini- etc etc?

Like 90% of my planets are in the wrong house.




yeah pretty much.

but I thought you meant further North than Cali. CA is fine. There's just certain longitudes north and south of the equator that Placidus cannot cover. It's not that it's innacurate as a house system. It's just that literally it cannot cover every birth chart on the planet. Some people have to use whole signs. But really we're talking people born extremely far North or South. Near the poles


Are you talking about Gauquelin charts when you say that a taurus planet(for instance) in a gemini house makes it gemini?


No, I was just agreeing in general to the idea when it comes to whole signs but not agreeing word for word.

I know only about the Gauquelins' stats on cadent houses and careers but I don't know anything about Gauquelin charts.
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You can see it in astro.com under Pullen. Basically, if you have:

Sun Cancer(8th)
Moon Gemini(6th)
Merc Gemini(7th)
Venus Leo(9th)

etc. It would look like:

Sun Scorpio
Moon Virgo
Merc Libra
Venus Sagittarius

...if I have understood it correctly.
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Well I used the default and listed a city in CA as my location and it was pretty much the same as my home n. So it doesn't look like a location thing.

If the whole houses system is inaccurate, does that mean if you have a Sag planet in a Scorpio house- it's Scorpio? Or a Taurus planet in a Gemini house- it is really Gemini- etc etc?

Like 90% of my planets are in the wrong house.




yeah pretty much.

but I thought you meant further North than Cali. CA is fine. There's just certain longitudes north and south of the equator that Placidus cannot cover. It's not that it's innacurate as a house system. It's just that literally it cannot cover every birth chart on the planet. Some people have to use whole signs. But really we're talking people born extremely far North or South. Near the poles


Are you talking about Gauquelin charts when you say that a taurus planet(for instance) in a gemini house makes it gemini?


No, I was just agreeing in general to the idea when it comes to whole signs but not agreeing word for word.

I know only about the Gauquelins' stats on cadent houses and careers but I don't know anything about Gauquelin charts.
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You didn't answer my question.. how did you know I lived in Texas?
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