Most Intelligent?
This topic was created in the Astrology forum by Albinic Shadow on Friday, April 27, 2007 and has 84 replies.
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I think AQUARIUS who can be seen as a Water sign interested in information and philosphy.
Also, the most intelligent Air sign is GEMINI, twins of Mercury.
That would also go for Mercurial VIRGO the Earth sign.
Then we have ARIES (disputable with LEO) because they aren't revenge-blind.
Also, the most intelligent Air sign is GEMINI, twins of Mercury.
That would also go for Mercurial VIRGO the Earth sign.
Then we have ARIES (disputable with LEO) because they aren't revenge-blind.
"I think AQUARIUS who can be seen as a Water sign interested in information and philosphy."
While Aquarius is the "water bearer", Aquarius is an air sign, not a water sign.
The water signs are Cancer, Scorpio, and Pisces.
While Aquarius is the "water bearer", Aquarius is an air sign, not a water sign.
The water signs are Cancer, Scorpio, and Pisces.
Yes, I know that. But they are also considered a Water sign. Scorpio is considered Fire. They're knots in the Astrological wheel, like Gemini, who is both masculine and feminine.
I don't know if you could really say one sign is more intelligent than the rest, since each one does something different with their information.
Gemini (and air in general), for instance, collects loads of information, but do they really do anything with the fact that they can retain so much?
Aries tends to act like they are more intelligent, but who's to say they aren't. I guess there would have to be a guidline when talking about intelligence.
Earth signs are usually well versed in few things and don't care to expand their horizons, sometimes masterfull at their "art" or chosen intellect.
Water signs seems to intuned and intelligent towards emotional things like poetry, lyrics/music and painting because they put their emotion into talent but are so emotionally driven, technical things may be difficult.
I honestly can't choose one sign.
*takes a diplomatic, Libra rising bow* LOL
Gemini (and air in general), for instance, collects loads of information, but do they really do anything with the fact that they can retain so much?
Aries tends to act like they are more intelligent, but who's to say they aren't. I guess there would have to be a guidline when talking about intelligence.
Earth signs are usually well versed in few things and don't care to expand their horizons, sometimes masterfull at their "art" or chosen intellect.
Water signs seems to intuned and intelligent towards emotional things like poetry, lyrics/music and painting because they put their emotion into talent but are so emotionally driven, technical things may be difficult.
I honestly can't choose one sign.
*takes a diplomatic, Libra rising bow* LOL
Wow, it's like calling the sky light blue. I meant that if generally there can be the nicest sign of that element (between Can Pisc and Scor for example) or the most arrogant, there can be the most intelligent of the there Air signs, and though they are thought of intellectual alone there can also be the most intelligent of Earth, (Virgo is considered Gemini's match) Water, and Fire.
How do you know that they don't do anything with it? No, they don't simply collect information alone. You don't have to do anything with the information to be considered intelligent. You don't have to officially publish a book until you're a writer. Just like people can be born as poets.
Taurus is good in business, trade and make good merchants. They're fine in area of art and singing. Is that so few subjects? Virgos are good at many things involving the hands, like crafts, painting and what not. Many Virgos I know claim to be writers, poets, sing, etc. You simply cannot pursue five careers at once.
Are Water signs good at art? Isn't Gemini an artist, and are they not Air signs? Water signs are psychics and are more likely to be skilled with cooking and children. Why are you talking so much about skills instead of intelligence?
Intelligence can barely be narrowed down to anything besides the ability to see between right and wrong.
You cannot choose? How much do you know about Astrology?
How do you know that they don't do anything with it? No, they don't simply collect information alone. You don't have to do anything with the information to be considered intelligent. You don't have to officially publish a book until you're a writer. Just like people can be born as poets.
Taurus is good in business, trade and make good merchants. They're fine in area of art and singing. Is that so few subjects? Virgos are good at many things involving the hands, like crafts, painting and what not. Many Virgos I know claim to be writers, poets, sing, etc. You simply cannot pursue five careers at once.
Are Water signs good at art? Isn't Gemini an artist, and are they not Air signs? Water signs are psychics and are more likely to be skilled with cooking and children. Why are you talking so much about skills instead of intelligence?
Intelligence can barely be narrowed down to anything besides the ability to see between right and wrong.
You cannot choose? How much do you know about Astrology?
"Yes, I know that. But they are also considered a Water sign. Scorpio is considered Fire. They're knots in the Astrological wheel, like Gemini, who is both masculine and feminine."
I have heard that Aquarius is mistaken for a water sign, because their sign is the Water Bearer. But, I have never read anywhere that said they were considered a water sign. I have also never read anywhere that Scorpio is considered a fire sign...?
I have heard that Aquarius is mistaken for a water sign, because their sign is the Water Bearer. But, I have never read anywhere that said they were considered a water sign. I have also never read anywhere that Scorpio is considered a fire sign...?
Didn't mean for it to sound like I was degrading any sign, just wanted to clear that up. I apologise if it did.
Of course I cannot know what every single person/sign can/will do with their "intelligence" (and of course, there are different interpretations of intelligence). But, since I wrote the post it was merely my perceptions. I do however, firmly stand by the fact that I don't think it is possible to pick a most intelligent sign overall. In no way is my post concrete or something you have to agree with, I do respect that.
I suppose for the world's general view of intelligence it would be sufficient to take the signs of the best standardized test scores.
Of course I cannot know what every single person/sign can/will do with their "intelligence" (and of course, there are different interpretations of intelligence). But, since I wrote the post it was merely my perceptions. I do however, firmly stand by the fact that I don't think it is possible to pick a most intelligent sign overall. In no way is my post concrete or something you have to agree with, I do respect that.
I suppose for the world's general view of intelligence it would be sufficient to take the signs of the best standardized test scores.
I like to read many various books from all cultures and types. Scorpio actually most resembles a fire sign, (if you ever met one, you'd know what I mean) but keep in mind SCORPIONS are not LOBSTERS and so not really sea creatures. I've noticed all the Water signs are Water creatures.
Which reminds me, does anyone out there have any thoughts on which the most intelligent Water sign is?
Jessica thank you for your response. My conclusion came because Air is the element of intelligence in Astrology and exploring the limitless area of the space and mind. It then led to Gemini because Mercury is the planet of intelligence and communication (or thieves and tricksters) and the twins can be thought of as too clever or conniving.
What's Your IQ?
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/Features/Columns/?article=IQdarkside
Which reminds me, does anyone out there have any thoughts on which the most intelligent Water sign is?
Jessica thank you for your response. My conclusion came because Air is the element of intelligence in Astrology and exploring the limitless area of the space and mind. It then led to Gemini because Mercury is the planet of intelligence and communication (or thieves and tricksters) and the twins can be thought of as too clever or conniving.
What's Your IQ?
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/Features/Columns/?article=IQdarkside
"Scorpio actually most resembles a fire sign"
They may resemble one, but all the things I have read say Scorpio is a Water sign.
"(if you ever met one, you'd know what I mean)"
I have known one for about 28 years. She's really cool. We do absolutely everything together... LOL! I am also very close to several other Scorpios.
I do believe any and all Scorps would emphatically state that they are an emotional (i.e. - Water) sign. Speaking of which, while Aquarius the Water Bearer may have more to do with water than a Scorpion, they are one of the least emotional signs (the essence of water signs) and are generally good with abstract intelligence (the essence of air signs).
"Which reminds me, does anyone out there have any thoughts on which the most intelligent Water sign is?"
There are many types of intelligence. Which type are you referring to?
They may resemble one, but all the things I have read say Scorpio is a Water sign.
"(if you ever met one, you'd know what I mean)"
I have known one for about 28 years. She's really cool. We do absolutely everything together... LOL! I am also very close to several other Scorpios.
I do believe any and all Scorps would emphatically state that they are an emotional (i.e. - Water) sign. Speaking of which, while Aquarius the Water Bearer may have more to do with water than a Scorpion, they are one of the least emotional signs (the essence of water signs) and are generally good with abstract intelligence (the essence of air signs).
"Which reminds me, does anyone out there have any thoughts on which the most intelligent Water sign is?"
There are many types of intelligence. Which type are you referring to?
i couldn't agree more, with all your statements alcheme...
As well as our sun-sign, we have to look at planet mercury for intelligence, and our thinking style too. Also, there are different kinds of intelligence. There's academic, emotional, creative, etc. etc. So, i believe every sign has their own unique talent/abilities when it comes to intelligence. Basically there's 'different', not who has the 'most'..*it's too open-ended and limiting. Plus certain planetary aspects, houses, etc. have to also be taken into account.
"While Aquarius is the "water bearer", Aquarius is an air sign, not a water sign."
i totally agree, this is the biggest misconception in astrology. You can't be two elements at the same time. The substance that is actually being poured from the pitcher is only a metaphor in deeper meaning..
As well as our sun-sign, we have to look at planet mercury for intelligence, and our thinking style too. Also, there are different kinds of intelligence. There's academic, emotional, creative, etc. etc. So, i believe every sign has their own unique talent/abilities when it comes to intelligence. Basically there's 'different', not who has the 'most'..*it's too open-ended and limiting. Plus certain planetary aspects, houses, etc. have to also be taken into account.
"While Aquarius is the "water bearer", Aquarius is an air sign, not a water sign."
i totally agree, this is the biggest misconception in astrology. You can't be two elements at the same time. The substance that is actually being poured from the pitcher is only a metaphor in deeper meaning..
"Water signs are psychics and are more likely to be skilled with cooking and children."
Julius Caesar - Cancer (Excellent military strategist)
George Washington - Pisces (1st President of the US)
Bill Gates - Scorpio (Richest man in the world)
Ernest Hemingway - Cancer (Writer)
George Paatton - Scorpio (Excellent military strategist)
Albert Einstein - Pisces (Theory of relativity)
Nikola Tesla - Cancer (Scientist)
A.van Leeuwenhoek - Scorpio (Scientist)
Alexander Bell - Pisces (Inventor)
Julius Caesar - Cancer (Excellent military strategist)
George Washington - Pisces (1st President of the US)
Bill Gates - Scorpio (Richest man in the world)
Ernest Hemingway - Cancer (Writer)
George Paatton - Scorpio (Excellent military strategist)
Albert Einstein - Pisces (Theory of relativity)
Nikola Tesla - Cancer (Scientist)
A.van Leeuwenhoek - Scorpio (Scientist)
Alexander Bell - Pisces (Inventor)
woot go water signs
woot x 2! very impressive list, 187!
There isn't actually many types of intelligence. There is signs of intelligence, however. Intelligence goes into detail, where you could get tied up in knots and forget the bigger picture.
Yes, considering the fact she is your friend you know her good side. But as I say, you never know someone until you've met their bad side. That would be where all of Scorpio's fire is aimed.
I've met someone who appears to be very detached, but is actually very sentimental. So normally all of it could be turned into question because your sun sign is how you appear to others and are trying to achieve. That's why the East recognizing as the moon being more important, because it is the inner self. Either way, I see Scorpios as sun signs, just like the fact that gemini is more bi-polar and strongly neutral energy.
You can certainly be two elements at the same time. In the same way you can be a balance of both energies, and Capricorn is half Aries half Pisces.
The Scorpio is disputable, I imagine the Cancer was an emotional writer and so on. Strategy doesn't necessarily mean a person is intelligent, like someone good with numbers. It is more mechanical, and so more of a skill they're good at. I don't mean that kind of intelligence. Boy, who knew a question could be so hard. I would think those are the most "intelligent" of the Water signs, let's say Air signs are known as even more intelligent. (Like scholars.) One would think a basic question would be put into basic views. Are all water signs Bill Gates or Caesars? Isn't the general profile of the elements of astrology general unless put into further detail? I think you misunderstood when I stated the general things about water signs.
Yes, considering the fact she is your friend you know her good side. But as I say, you never know someone until you've met their bad side. That would be where all of Scorpio's fire is aimed.
I've met someone who appears to be very detached, but is actually very sentimental. So normally all of it could be turned into question because your sun sign is how you appear to others and are trying to achieve. That's why the East recognizing as the moon being more important, because it is the inner self. Either way, I see Scorpios as sun signs, just like the fact that gemini is more bi-polar and strongly neutral energy.
You can certainly be two elements at the same time. In the same way you can be a balance of both energies, and Capricorn is half Aries half Pisces.
The Scorpio is disputable, I imagine the Cancer was an emotional writer and so on. Strategy doesn't necessarily mean a person is intelligent, like someone good with numbers. It is more mechanical, and so more of a skill they're good at. I don't mean that kind of intelligence. Boy, who knew a question could be so hard. I would think those are the most "intelligent" of the Water signs, let's say Air signs are known as even more intelligent. (Like scholars.) One would think a basic question would be put into basic views. Are all water signs Bill Gates or Caesars? Isn't the general profile of the elements of astrology general unless put into further detail? I think you misunderstood when I stated the general things about water signs.
I see scorpios as fire signs*
hmm...scorpio as fire. that is an interesting idea. true, scorpios are classified as water signs but they are similar to fixed fire in many ways, at least from what i have seen.
albinic shadow, this topic has been attempted before. it got the same responses: that there are many different types of intelligence and ways of measuring it, and that it is impossible to choose a "most intelligent sign". i have to agree with that.
albinic shadow, this topic has been attempted before. it got the same responses: that there are many different types of intelligence and ways of measuring it, and that it is impossible to choose a "most intelligent sign". i have to agree with that.
Ok, forget about Bill Gates and Caesar. Here are a few of many Rhode scholars.
Rhode Scholarship:
The Rhodes Scholarship is the world's oldest and arguably most prestigious international fellowship. The scholarships were initiated after the death of Cecil John Rhodes and have been awarded to applicants annually since 1902 by the Rhodes Trust in Oxford on the basis of academic qualities.
Rhode scholars:
Gordon A. Craig (Scorpio)
John Brademas, Ph. D. (Pisces)
Philip Mayer Kaiser (Cancer)
George Francis Gillman Stanley (Cancer)
Norman Washington Manley (Cancer)
Charles Marius Barbeau (Pisces)
Norman F. Cantor (Scorpio)
Richard Frank "Dick" Celeste (Scorpio)- graduated from Princeton
Dave Frohnmayer (Cancer) - graduated magna cum laude from Harvard
Ira Magaziner (Scorpio)- Aide to Clinton and valedictorian of his class
I seriously doubt any sign is more intelligent than the other. While astrology is somewhat accurate, it's still too general. Any sign is capable of great intelligence (as the lists I've posted have shown) so long as they have the ambition to go get it.
Rhode Scholarship:
The Rhodes Scholarship is the world's oldest and arguably most prestigious international fellowship. The scholarships were initiated after the death of Cecil John Rhodes and have been awarded to applicants annually since 1902 by the Rhodes Trust in Oxford on the basis of academic qualities.
Rhode scholars:
Gordon A. Craig (Scorpio)
John Brademas, Ph. D. (Pisces)
Philip Mayer Kaiser (Cancer)
George Francis Gillman Stanley (Cancer)
Norman Washington Manley (Cancer)
Charles Marius Barbeau (Pisces)
Norman F. Cantor (Scorpio)
Richard Frank "Dick" Celeste (Scorpio)- graduated from Princeton
Dave Frohnmayer (Cancer) - graduated magna cum laude from Harvard
Ira Magaziner (Scorpio)- Aide to Clinton and valedictorian of his class
I seriously doubt any sign is more intelligent than the other. While astrology is somewhat accurate, it's still too general. Any sign is capable of great intelligence (as the lists I've posted have shown) so long as they have the ambition to go get it.
The "intelligent" life forms are found on other planets.
*flies away to check out Mars
Astrology is certainly not general. It applies to people in general and mocks that stance. It applies to an individual, and goes into detail in an accurate way. Intricate detail however, I wouldn't count on, because it's not right to think detail to that measure about you could be planned or written in the stars.
Yes, I think I have spotted the topic before. There will always be someone with the opposite opinion..
Yes, Hell is for the ignorant Heaven for the righteous, Earth is for those who are given a chance. This is the age of ignorance, and I do believe there is people on other planets, if there was people on Mars they would have to be very mean, though.
Have you read "What's Your IQ?" There was this club called Mensa for certain intelligent people, it contradicts the suggestion about Rhode Island and intelligent people joining clubs. Yes, and I bet those scholars have a lot of Air influence and element in their chart. (Mercury aspects for example.) And I bet there is a greater chance their Moon is in an Air sign.
Yes, I think I have spotted the topic before. There will always be someone with the opposite opinion..
Yes, Hell is for the ignorant Heaven for the righteous, Earth is for those who are given a chance. This is the age of ignorance, and I do believe there is people on other planets, if there was people on Mars they would have to be very mean, though.
Have you read "What's Your IQ?" There was this club called Mensa for certain intelligent people, it contradicts the suggestion about Rhode Island and intelligent people joining clubs. Yes, and I bet those scholars have a lot of Air influence and element in their chart. (Mercury aspects for example.) And I bet there is a greater chance their Moon is in an Air sign.
Mensa....I suppose for whatever it's purpose is, that it is fulling to some - I knew a man who was and may still be in Mensa - boy, talk about lacking common sense and people skills!
P.S. he is a Gemini
*not all gems lack common sense and people skills
Uh....my ex who is a Gem did though......
*not all gems lack common sense and people skills
Uh....my ex who is a Gem did though......
"There isn't actually many types of intelligence. There is signs of intelligence, however. Intelligence goes into detail, where you could get tied up in knots and forget the bigger picture."
There ARE actually many types of intelligence. There is practical intelligence, abstract / philosophical intelligence, interpersonal intelligence, intrapersonal intelligence, and so on, and so forth. A large number of in-depth intelligence tests even delineate and test these various types of intelligences. Who is more intelligent, the mathematical genius or the military strategist? Who is more intelligent, the savant that can compute astronomical calculation in their minds or the person that can tie their own shoes and carry on a normal conversation? Who is more intelligent, the develop business plans for making millions of dollars or the person who can develop philosophies changing millions of people's lives?
"Strategy doesn't necessarily mean a person is intelligent, like someone good with numbers. It is more mechanical, and so more of a skill they're good at. I don't mean that kind of intelligence."
Well, it seems that you have answered my questions already. That being said, I disagree and think that you have a very limited concept of intelligence. What you seem to be overlooking is that while strategy can be a "learned" skill, in that context it would be the same as "calculus" (a "learned" skill). I doubt anyone, even those naturally good with numbers ever had an innate ability to do calculus without first learning it. Some may pick it up more easily and excell more proficiently at it, just as with strategy. There ARE brilliant strategists that exceed beyond what they are taught and have the ability to more proficiently apply their skill to out strategized others, as there ARE brilliant mathematicians that have the ability to exceed beyond what they are taught and have the ability to more proficiently apply THEIR skill. Yes, things taught ARE skills, but everyone has different natural abilities to absorb, utilize, and exceed the natural bounds of those skills, and THAT is intelligence.
"I don't mean that kind of intelligence."
Okay, so perhaps you need to clarify more as to which type of intelligence you are referring to...
There ARE actually many types of intelligence. There is practical intelligence, abstract / philosophical intelligence, interpersonal intelligence, intrapersonal intelligence, and so on, and so forth. A large number of in-depth intelligence tests even delineate and test these various types of intelligences. Who is more intelligent, the mathematical genius or the military strategist? Who is more intelligent, the savant that can compute astronomical calculation in their minds or the person that can tie their own shoes and carry on a normal conversation? Who is more intelligent, the develop business plans for making millions of dollars or the person who can develop philosophies changing millions of people's lives?
"Strategy doesn't necessarily mean a person is intelligent, like someone good with numbers. It is more mechanical, and so more of a skill they're good at. I don't mean that kind of intelligence."
Well, it seems that you have answered my questions already. That being said, I disagree and think that you have a very limited concept of intelligence. What you seem to be overlooking is that while strategy can be a "learned" skill, in that context it would be the same as "calculus" (a "learned" skill). I doubt anyone, even those naturally good with numbers ever had an innate ability to do calculus without first learning it. Some may pick it up more easily and excell more proficiently at it, just as with strategy. There ARE brilliant strategists that exceed beyond what they are taught and have the ability to more proficiently apply their skill to out strategized others, as there ARE brilliant mathematicians that have the ability to exceed beyond what they are taught and have the ability to more proficiently apply THEIR skill. Yes, things taught ARE skills, but everyone has different natural abilities to absorb, utilize, and exceed the natural bounds of those skills, and THAT is intelligence.
"I don't mean that kind of intelligence."
Okay, so perhaps you need to clarify more as to which type of intelligence you are referring to...
"Yes, considering the fact she is your friend you know her good side. But as I say, you never know someone until you've met their bad side. That would be where all of Scorpio's fire is aimed."
Actually, I was being facetious. I tend to have a moderately sarcastic sense of humor. The "best friend" I was referring to was actually me. I would generally hope that most people are their own best friends. Though, as much as I love her to death, she does have a great ability to just piss me off at times... LOL! Anyway, suffices to say that I am quite familiar with with both "her" good side and bad side. On top of that, one of my sisters and one of my brothers are also Scorpios.
But, to go with your own response... Let's analysis the "bad" side of Scorpios. Fire signs have one distinctly important trait for this discussion. While, yes, they are impassioned much like water signs and even have bouts of anger and rage at times, once they let out their anger and rage, they have vented it and easily return to their normal state of optimism. Fire signs do not like to dwell on negative emotions and have the ability and desire to move on from them. They let go and they move on. Water signs have a much hard time at this than fire signs. Given the generally accepted "dark side" of Scorpio, how does one reconcile that with the standard trait of fire signs to focus not on the "dark" side of life but on the beautiful, "light" side of life?
"So normally all of it could be turned into question because your sun sign is how you appear to others and are trying to achieve."
Actually, I have read many different interpretations. One is that your ascendant is how you appear to others (your external self), your sun sign is your inner self, and your moon is your emotional self. I have also read that your ascendant is the preliminary, "first impression" external self, your sun sign is your constant external self (for lack of a better way to describe it), and your moon sign is your internal self. Either way, it is evident that we are more than our sun signs, moon signs, or ascendants. We are all complex people that cannot be so easily divided into merely 12 personality types.
"That's why the East recognizing as the moon being more important, because it is the inner self. Either way, I see Scorpios as sun signs, just like the fact that gemini is more bi-polar and strongly neutral energy."
So, what would a Scorpio sun with a Gemini moon be? LOL!
Actually, I was being facetious. I tend to have a moderately sarcastic sense of humor. The "best friend" I was referring to was actually me. I would generally hope that most people are their own best friends. Though, as much as I love her to death, she does have a great ability to just piss me off at times... LOL! Anyway, suffices to say that I am quite familiar with with both "her" good side and bad side. On top of that, one of my sisters and one of my brothers are also Scorpios.
But, to go with your own response... Let's analysis the "bad" side of Scorpios. Fire signs have one distinctly important trait for this discussion. While, yes, they are impassioned much like water signs and even have bouts of anger and rage at times, once they let out their anger and rage, they have vented it and easily return to their normal state of optimism. Fire signs do not like to dwell on negative emotions and have the ability and desire to move on from them. They let go and they move on. Water signs have a much hard time at this than fire signs. Given the generally accepted "dark side" of Scorpio, how does one reconcile that with the standard trait of fire signs to focus not on the "dark" side of life but on the beautiful, "light" side of life?
"So normally all of it could be turned into question because your sun sign is how you appear to others and are trying to achieve."
Actually, I have read many different interpretations. One is that your ascendant is how you appear to others (your external self), your sun sign is your inner self, and your moon is your emotional self. I have also read that your ascendant is the preliminary, "first impression" external self, your sun sign is your constant external self (for lack of a better way to describe it), and your moon sign is your internal self. Either way, it is evident that we are more than our sun signs, moon signs, or ascendants. We are all complex people that cannot be so easily divided into merely 12 personality types.
"That's why the East recognizing as the moon being more important, because it is the inner self. Either way, I see Scorpios as sun signs, just like the fact that gemini is more bi-polar and strongly neutral energy."
So, what would a Scorpio sun with a Gemini moon be? LOL!
"You can certainly be two elements at the same time. In the same way you can be a balance of both energies"
You can't have it both ways. Either people are merely one sign (sun or moon) and one element. Or...they are a combination. But, that combination is not because one sign is more than one element, but because people are made of more than one sign...
"Capricorn is half Aries half Pisces."
OMG! ROFLMAO!!!! That is a joke right?!? Any Cap wanna voice in on that?!? If ANYTHING (which I would say not), Cap would be part Leo not part Aries, and no where close to a Pisces in ANY regard. Perhaps the Caps you know have a lot of water in their charts?!?
"Isn't the general profile of the elements of astrology general unless put into further detail?"
I am sorry, but to a certain extent that cannot be anything more than general because people are far more complex that can be so easily defined by just 12 stereotypes. The profiles can go into a little more depth trying to further define motivations for the "standard" traits, but beyond that, the greater detail they go into the greater chance they have of no longer describing the majority of the people in that sign.
You can't have it both ways. Either people are merely one sign (sun or moon) and one element. Or...they are a combination. But, that combination is not because one sign is more than one element, but because people are made of more than one sign...
"Capricorn is half Aries half Pisces."
OMG! ROFLMAO!!!! That is a joke right?!? Any Cap wanna voice in on that?!? If ANYTHING (which I would say not), Cap would be part Leo not part Aries, and no where close to a Pisces in ANY regard. Perhaps the Caps you know have a lot of water in their charts?!?
"Isn't the general profile of the elements of astrology general unless put into further detail?"
I am sorry, but to a certain extent that cannot be anything more than general because people are far more complex that can be so easily defined by just 12 stereotypes. The profiles can go into a little more depth trying to further define motivations for the "standard" traits, but beyond that, the greater detail they go into the greater chance they have of no longer describing the majority of the people in that sign.
""Water signs are psychics and are more likely to be skilled with cooking and children."
Julius Caesar - Cancer (Excellent military strategist)
George Washington - Pisces (1st President of the US)
Bill Gates - Scorpio (Richest man in the world)
Ernest Hemingway - Cancer (Writer)
George Paatton - Scorpio (Excellent military strategist)
Albert Einstein - Pisces (Theory of relativity)
Nikola Tesla - Cancer (Scientist)
A.van Leeuwenhoek - Scorpio (Scientist)
Alexander Bell - Pisces (Inventor)"
You forgot Pablo Picasso (Scorpio) and Marie Curie (Scorpio). That being said, while I understand your motivation for the above list(s), similar lists can be made for all the elements.
AS, unless you are really wanting to be bitch slapped by the water sign population on this board, it might be good to rephrase your statement that water signs main natural skills are cooking and children. You did say that you have researched astrology, right? Oh, right, you're a Gemini. Nevermind.... LOL!
Julius Caesar - Cancer (Excellent military strategist)
George Washington - Pisces (1st President of the US)
Bill Gates - Scorpio (Richest man in the world)
Ernest Hemingway - Cancer (Writer)
George Paatton - Scorpio (Excellent military strategist)
Albert Einstein - Pisces (Theory of relativity)
Nikola Tesla - Cancer (Scientist)
A.van Leeuwenhoek - Scorpio (Scientist)
Alexander Bell - Pisces (Inventor)"
You forgot Pablo Picasso (Scorpio) and Marie Curie (Scorpio). That being said, while I understand your motivation for the above list(s), similar lists can be made for all the elements.
AS, unless you are really wanting to be bitch slapped by the water sign population on this board, it might be good to rephrase your statement that water signs main natural skills are cooking and children. You did say that you have researched astrology, right? Oh, right, you're a Gemini. Nevermind.... LOL!
If Capricorn is combination of Pisces and Aries, then where is their conservativeness coming from? From outer space on lil green aliens who call themselves Martians and tell "We are friends" after which they kidnap people and rape them?
"Yes. and if anything I have to say that I sort of know what AS was referring to. Capricorn is generally represented by a Sea goat. The tail of a fish and the head of a goat. The most similar animal in the zodiac next to the goat is NOT a lion, but a ram. Ram represents Aries. And hence symbolically, Caps represent someone with watery depth and hilly ambition. Mythologically, the tail represents the emotional side while the goat body represents the analytical or outer side. So yes, it would be similar to by nature of an Aries and a Pisces.
I don't think you know caps at all, Alcheme. "
Hmmm... Well, I did date a Cap for 7 years, and know a few others. And, I do have a Cap rising, but it is probably not strong enough at this point in my life to make much of a impact (though, 5 years ago, I veered very strongly towards my Cap side)... But it is quite probable that you are correct that I do not know Caps at all, of that I will not dispute much. That being said, while the symbol may be closer to Aries and Pisces, I think that personality wise they seem more like Leos and nothing like Pisces.
One, Pisces is a mutable sign. In my experience Caps are extremely Cardinal, but choosing between Mutable and Fixed, I would go with fixed. That is actually one of the things I respect about them, their "staying" ability in what they set their mind to and their decisiveness. Two, as haffo pointed out, Caps tend to be conservative in nature (something that one part of me finds again very laudable and appealing), and Pisces are generally known for their "unconventional" side (for lack of a better way to describe it). Three, Pisces are known to be extremely emotional, "dreamy", and intuitive. Caps are known to be (and seem to be) very unemotional (referring to externally), practical, and logical. The former three traits being in direct conflict with the latter.
As for the Aries vs Leo, I was going off the tendency for putting to put their best foot forward. All things considered, I believe that Caps desire to show their best side and their ambition seems far more akin to Leos "beautiful" exterior. Caps generally tend to seem extremely refined and elegant, and seem to value that in themselves and others around them, more than the standard Aries stereotype would vs the standard Leo stereotype. Not that Aries aren't refined or elegant or that they do not care, but I believe out of the two Leo is best known for those traits.
I don't think you know caps at all, Alcheme. "
Hmmm... Well, I did date a Cap for 7 years, and know a few others. And, I do have a Cap rising, but it is probably not strong enough at this point in my life to make much of a impact (though, 5 years ago, I veered very strongly towards my Cap side)... But it is quite probable that you are correct that I do not know Caps at all, of that I will not dispute much. That being said, while the symbol may be closer to Aries and Pisces, I think that personality wise they seem more like Leos and nothing like Pisces.
One, Pisces is a mutable sign. In my experience Caps are extremely Cardinal, but choosing between Mutable and Fixed, I would go with fixed. That is actually one of the things I respect about them, their "staying" ability in what they set their mind to and their decisiveness. Two, as haffo pointed out, Caps tend to be conservative in nature (something that one part of me finds again very laudable and appealing), and Pisces are generally known for their "unconventional" side (for lack of a better way to describe it). Three, Pisces are known to be extremely emotional, "dreamy", and intuitive. Caps are known to be (and seem to be) very unemotional (referring to externally), practical, and logical. The former three traits being in direct conflict with the latter.
As for the Aries vs Leo, I was going off the tendency for putting to put their best foot forward. All things considered, I believe that Caps desire to show their best side and their ambition seems far more akin to Leos "beautiful" exterior. Caps generally tend to seem extremely refined and elegant, and seem to value that in themselves and others around them, more than the standard Aries stereotype would vs the standard Leo stereotype. Not that Aries aren't refined or elegant or that they do not care, but I believe out of the two Leo is best known for those traits.
Anyway, you are more than likely correct with your assessment that I do not know them well, being one yourself (I think, right?). I just wanted to give you the basis for my logic so you didn't think I was completely in left field. Though, it is entirely possible that you will still think that... LOL! 
"From outer space on lil green aliens who call themselves Martians and tell "We are friends" after which they kidnap people and rape them?"
And, there would be a very good example of the....ummmmm..."unconventionality" of Pisces... Are you sure, WBTG, you still wanna claim that Caps are similar to Pisces?!? LOL!
And, there would be a very good example of the....ummmmm..."unconventionality" of Pisces... Are you sure, WBTG, you still wanna claim that Caps are similar to Pisces?!? LOL!
WaterBearingTwinGoat, i have read that capricorn is a seagoat with the tail of a fish. but i fail to see the resemblance to aries.
"Read it again, fish face. I said "similar" not "same"."
Ooo...arrogant.
Similar is not enough.
Ooo...arrogant.
Similar is not enough.
Capricorn is NOT a duality sign. Telling that Capricorn is combination of Pisces and Aries is useless and incorrect. The symbol of Capricorn is seagoat, but it's not combination of Pisces. Pisces is partial continuation of Capricorn because it stands on higher development level (final leve), so without a doubt Pisces will have traits of Capricorn. The development line goes up not down.
The only duality signs of zodiac are Scorpio and Pisces. Scorpio is combination of Aries and Pluto, while Pisces is combination of Saggitarius and Neptune. Mind you, those two sign are not "similar" to their co-rulers, they are partially SAME to it.
The only duality signs of zodiac are Scorpio and Pisces. Scorpio is combination of Aries and Pluto, while Pisces is combination of Saggitarius and Neptune. Mind you, those two sign are not "similar" to their co-rulers, they are partially SAME to it.
WBTG,
Your weak argument has no chance to live. Zodiac already have concept of duality signs and Capricorn is out of league. This is all what you are going to get. Be happy with that.
Your weak argument has no chance to live. Zodiac already have concept of duality signs and Capricorn is out of league. This is all what you are going to get. Be happy with that.
You cant get to personality with Symbols (which is your ultimate goal). See, Scorpio The Scorpion isn't really water creature at all, but it's still considered to be a water sign. See? No symbol meaning connection present here.
"And hence symbolically, Caps represent someone with watery depth and hilly ambition. Mythologically, the tail represents the emotional side while the goat body represents the analytical or outer side. So yes, it would be similar to by nature of an Aries and a Pisces. "
Now what?
Now what?
I repeat again, symbolism is NOT logical representation of personality traits this sign represents.
Drop it.
Drop it.
"I never said there there is a duality in Capricorn. I meant to say that yes SYMBOLICALLY Caps have Aries and Pisces representation."
And, yet, you were agreeing with AS's assertion, which I have provided below, and disputing mine.
"In the same way you can be a balance of both energies, and Capricorn is half Aries half Pisces."
A balance of both energies is NOT symbolic but far deeper than that. "Energy" is the fundamental makeup of a sign, which would mean to most people (I would think) personality not symbolism.
And, as haffo pointed out, you stated "by nature", again meaning to most people personality not symbolism.
"And haffo, please stop distorting what I am saying. If you don't have the brains to analyse and make any intelligent references, than quit being a pain in the ass and admit you are stupid."
Wow... Perhaps you are not aware of how it is coming across and you are not effectively communicating your intent? I don't think that he is distorting what you are saying, because I read it the exact same way.
And, for the record, resorting to insults in a discussion is generally indicative of no longer have any ability to logically support your point of view. Has your argument run out of steam so easily that you have already resorted to ignorantly "butting" heads?!?
And, yet, you were agreeing with AS's assertion, which I have provided below, and disputing mine.
"In the same way you can be a balance of both energies, and Capricorn is half Aries half Pisces."
A balance of both energies is NOT symbolic but far deeper than that. "Energy" is the fundamental makeup of a sign, which would mean to most people (I would think) personality not symbolism.
And, as haffo pointed out, you stated "by nature", again meaning to most people personality not symbolism.
"And haffo, please stop distorting what I am saying. If you don't have the brains to analyse and make any intelligent references, than quit being a pain in the ass and admit you are stupid."
Wow... Perhaps you are not aware of how it is coming across and you are not effectively communicating your intent? I don't think that he is distorting what you are saying, because I read it the exact same way.
And, for the record, resorting to insults in a discussion is generally indicative of no longer have any ability to logically support your point of view. Has your argument run out of steam so easily that you have already resorted to ignorantly "butting" heads?!?
"quit being a pain in the ass and admit you are stupid."
Never call me stupid again.
Never call me stupid again.
"Fine then. How about you put your money where your mouth is and find out? Instead of idly betting on a thing that you know no one wants to bother with."
Do you know what "I bet" means? Who raised you? Are you all temper and no patience? You are very offensive and more so, easily offended. If I think people are being offensive, I get cynical. But I easily take it back if they say otherwise. You on the other hand prove very irreverent.
"He is a Gemini."
I have my Sun in Cancer, Moon in Gemini.
"Talk about lack of common sense and people skills."
That is actually the opposite of what a fully grown Gemini is. You don't seem to like Geminis, I would imagine your Moon or Sun is an Earth or Water.
Nothing has to be registered in gold or claimed as a scientific fact to be true. There's some things science just won't admit.
No, there is not many types of intelligence. There are traits an intelligent person is. But there is right and there is wrong, and there isn't one kind of wrong and five kinds of rights. I would think there might be slightly varying, two or three "types" but otherwise, no. If you're good at mechanics, that's a skill. Otherwise, everyone could learn how to do it.
Philosophical people aren't practical? I don't ever recall anyone famous in history for their intellect who couldn't make a speech. Linguistic people happen to be intelligent. You sure know how to make someone loose their patience. I believe I already mentioned strategy and math whiz "intelligence."
Haven't you said so yourself Water = Emotion? Just because I don't agree with your impatience that doesn't mean I'm narrow. Surely you have a reason to have gotten to that conclusion. I believe an art is an intelligence, and I've never heard of a stupid artist, but art and intelligence are more complex than 1 + 1 = 2. Are you saying if someone tried, they would be forever failing at Chess? Yes, exactly, people can have it come easier, and that's because people can be born with skill. You can be smart and yet have to train yourself with numbers, because your brain simply doesn't work like a robot. They are brilliant by your eyes, brilliant with numbers, what?
GENERAL INTELLIGENCE lady. The kind that doesn't go extinct and the kind that isn't simply a "skill" but the kind that knows right and wrong, when I ask a question and leave out the type of "intelligence" that means intelligence over all.
Do you know what "I bet" means? Who raised you? Are you all temper and no patience? You are very offensive and more so, easily offended. If I think people are being offensive, I get cynical. But I easily take it back if they say otherwise. You on the other hand prove very irreverent.
"He is a Gemini."
I have my Sun in Cancer, Moon in Gemini.
"Talk about lack of common sense and people skills."
That is actually the opposite of what a fully grown Gemini is. You don't seem to like Geminis, I would imagine your Moon or Sun is an Earth or Water.
Nothing has to be registered in gold or claimed as a scientific fact to be true. There's some things science just won't admit.
No, there is not many types of intelligence. There are traits an intelligent person is. But there is right and there is wrong, and there isn't one kind of wrong and five kinds of rights. I would think there might be slightly varying, two or three "types" but otherwise, no. If you're good at mechanics, that's a skill. Otherwise, everyone could learn how to do it.
Philosophical people aren't practical? I don't ever recall anyone famous in history for their intellect who couldn't make a speech. Linguistic people happen to be intelligent. You sure know how to make someone loose their patience. I believe I already mentioned strategy and math whiz "intelligence."
Haven't you said so yourself Water = Emotion? Just because I don't agree with your impatience that doesn't mean I'm narrow. Surely you have a reason to have gotten to that conclusion. I believe an art is an intelligence, and I've never heard of a stupid artist, but art and intelligence are more complex than 1 + 1 = 2. Are you saying if someone tried, they would be forever failing at Chess? Yes, exactly, people can have it come easier, and that's because people can be born with skill. You can be smart and yet have to train yourself with numbers, because your brain simply doesn't work like a robot. They are brilliant by your eyes, brilliant with numbers, what?
GENERAL INTELLIGENCE lady. The kind that doesn't go extinct and the kind that isn't simply a "skill" but the kind that knows right and wrong, when I ask a question and leave out the type of "intelligence" that means intelligence over all.
That is certainly so if people can be their own worst enemy. Yourself? You can never trust anyone to point out their own faults. It matters what you mention before and after. Everyone has their own way of dealing with anger, and sadness. And Scorpios are Water signs, of course they aren't going to be identical to the Fire signs, but isn't Leo and Fire sign, and the most laid back out of all of them? There will be one sign in all four Elements who has a stranger trait apart from the rest. From my experience, it actually takes awhile for Scorpios to get over something. They are grudge keepers. Like Fire signs, they like to openly vent, (which is of course dislikable, but they either vent too little or vent too much, unlike fire signs.) They have anger problems like fire signs. They are competitive and aren't likely to accept much advice (yes, GENERALLY) like fire signs do, also.
Now that's almost upside down. The Sun is your general chart. If we are born to learn lessons, and each sign has their own lesson, it is what we are trying to achieve. For example, I read something a Scorpio said about happening to admire other Scorpio celebrities. The moon is the emotion, inside, true self and mysterious side. The Sun is appearance and outer. Well, we are divided into these types, aren't we? We are more than the Moon, Sun, and etceteras. And that's why there is more planets.
I'm going to take that as being a question that is self answering, because it is self evident. Black is dark and white is light. What do you get when you mix both white and black together?
Do you know what a cusp is, alcheme? And have you heard of India's philosophy of the five elements' interactions when they are housed in the body? (Astrology actually started off in India, by the way. I don't expect you to believe that, but it is another philosophy that should be equally respected, nonetheless.)
Alcheme, you must have missed everything I have said so far. I am sorry, but that's just the way it is. Yes, the Capricorn Symbol is half fish and half goat, or ram. It also makes chains in personality too, because they are not as aggressive as their fire and not as passive as their water, which makes them an Earth sign, like a stubborn tide.
Now that's almost upside down. The Sun is your general chart. If we are born to learn lessons, and each sign has their own lesson, it is what we are trying to achieve. For example, I read something a Scorpio said about happening to admire other Scorpio celebrities. The moon is the emotion, inside, true self and mysterious side. The Sun is appearance and outer. Well, we are divided into these types, aren't we? We are more than the Moon, Sun, and etceteras. And that's why there is more planets.
I'm going to take that as being a question that is self answering, because it is self evident. Black is dark and white is light. What do you get when you mix both white and black together?
Do you know what a cusp is, alcheme? And have you heard of India's philosophy of the five elements' interactions when they are housed in the body? (Astrology actually started off in India, by the way. I don't expect you to believe that, but it is another philosophy that should be equally respected, nonetheless.)
Alcheme, you must have missed everything I have said so far. I am sorry, but that's just the way it is. Yes, the Capricorn Symbol is half fish and half goat, or ram. It also makes chains in personality too, because they are not as aggressive as their fire and not as passive as their water, which makes them an Earth sign, like a stubborn tide.
Complex compared to what? The human comprehension? Even gravity can be explained. Not -everyone- is complex as you put it to be, (and the ones that are, it can easily be simplified) in general life there's even further less stereotypes, namely five or two, either cliques or sexism. Are you displaying how much you know about astrology? What? No, I am not trying to be offensive, I just assumed you've read and thought about it at least around as much as I have, because I don't see Astrology as inaccurate and yet am no professional.
Gemini? (And they wonder why Gems think people act jealous.) Though I just see it as being spiteful, just let me jest, are you saying water signs are more aggressive than their innocent facade? Why would they be so spiteful as to disagree with the general and universal saying that water is emotion and insist that Water is the most intelligent?
Aren't we in the age of Aquarius? We're also in the age of "technology" or "knowledge." That is only one symptom of intelligence, but thank you for finally suggesting something.
So are you saying alcheme despite all your encounters you still forget the very symbol that stands for Capricorn?
That chainsaw thing was cute. But reminds me of The Chainsaw Massacre.
"You cant get to personality with Symbols (which is your ultimate goal). See, Scorpio The Scorpion isn't really water creature at all, but it's still considered to be a water sign. See? No symbol meaning connection present here."
Gemini? (And they wonder why Gems think people act jealous.) Though I just see it as being spiteful, just let me jest, are you saying water signs are more aggressive than their innocent facade? Why would they be so spiteful as to disagree with the general and universal saying that water is emotion and insist that Water is the most intelligent?
Aren't we in the age of Aquarius? We're also in the age of "technology" or "knowledge." That is only one symptom of intelligence, but thank you for finally suggesting something.
So are you saying alcheme despite all your encounters you still forget the very symbol that stands for Capricorn?
That chainsaw thing was cute. But reminds me of The Chainsaw Massacre.
"You cant get to personality with Symbols (which is your ultimate goal). See, Scorpio The Scorpion isn't really water creature at all, but it's still considered to be a water sign. See? No symbol meaning connection present here."
Fire signs, if you care to notice are lucky. You can even see a hint of that in Capricorn's potential for business. I believe I already said Scorpio has a tie with fire, and I also believe that's why they said scorpion instead of lobster, to make that clear. But here's some examples: the ram, competitive and charging forward to higher levels, being the first level of the zodiac. Taurus, earthy and stubborn. Gemini, twins with split personalities, etc. Cancer, shy and defensive, hides for cover when hurt. Leo, lazy lions represents their laid back nature (I've known lazy Leos) and their mane can match their royal taste, but are really (generally) cuddle puppies, Virgo is like a woman because they are respectful and like to serve, are independent and skilled, Libra the scales, Sagittarius the archer, and all of the rest also speak for themselves. Now I'm beginning to be bedazzled with what was as if an insult to Astrology and its basis in argument. From what I read you didn't seem to even notice Capricorns had common symbol with the two.
Insults, it depends what kind and to what length (of course, but I know you know that, so...) Insults can also be a sign of irritation.
Stupid because he does not agree with you? Surely you can fill me in. I wouldn't be mistaken if I said "us" in, right?
Insults, it depends what kind and to what length (of course, but I know you know that, so...) Insults can also be a sign of irritation.
Stupid because he does not agree with you? Surely you can fill me in. I wouldn't be mistaken if I said "us" in, right?
Though, in the spirit of this thread, lets see if an answer can be found. Perhaps, we could try looking for astrological commonalities in the generally accepted "universal geniuses" throughout time (hoping that the charts online are correct).
According to the sites I have read, both the planets Jupiter (Sagittarius) and Mercury (Gemini / Virgo) contribute to intelligence.
Leonardo da Vinci:
- Sun: Taurus
- Moon: Pisces
- Asc: Sagittarius
- Mercury: Aries
- Jupiter: Pisces
Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz:
- Sun: Cancer
- Moon: Aquarius
- Asc: Sagittarius
- Mercury: Gemini
- Jupiter: Cancer
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe:
- Sun: Virgo
- Moon: Pisces
- Asc: Scorpio
- Mercury: Leo
- Jupiter: Pisces
The only real commonality I see is all of them have Water in their Jupiter, but that seems to me to be too much of a stretch. Possible, but I seriously doubt it...
According to the sites I have read, both the planets Jupiter (Sagittarius) and Mercury (Gemini / Virgo) contribute to intelligence.
Leonardo da Vinci:
- Sun: Taurus
- Moon: Pisces
- Asc: Sagittarius
- Mercury: Aries
- Jupiter: Pisces
Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz:
- Sun: Cancer
- Moon: Aquarius
- Asc: Sagittarius
- Mercury: Gemini
- Jupiter: Cancer
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe:
- Sun: Virgo
- Moon: Pisces
- Asc: Scorpio
- Mercury: Leo
- Jupiter: Pisces
The only real commonality I see is all of them have Water in their Jupiter, but that seems to me to be too much of a stretch. Possible, but I seriously doubt it...
Wow, ummmmm, wow...?!?
Okay, give me a sec here to respond...
Okay, give me a sec here to respond...
Leonardo is a Monkey in Chinese Astrology, and even though they call the cat clever, and the dragon wise, the Monkey is the "mark of the genius," as you can guess, the Monkey is extremely similar to Gemini. But I have never heard of Gott or Johann, (especially for being so known.) You respond, but you respond too quick. What do you do with your time?
Do you know astrology? Do you understand the essence and traits of personality and elements?
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Message posted by: alcheme on 4/28/2007 7:45:12 PM ip: xxx.xxx.xxx.45
"Leonardo da Vinci:
- Sun: Taurus
- Moon: Pisces
- Asc: Sagittarius
- Mercury: Aries
- Jupiter: Pisces"
Da Vinci was an Aries, born April 15, 1452.
"Leonardo da Vinci:
- Sun: Taurus
- Moon: Pisces
- Asc: Sagittarius
- Mercury: Aries
- Jupiter: Pisces"
Da Vinci was an Aries, born April 15, 1452.
Whew....I am pooped to say the least! Me wings are so very tired folks. Just now got back from surveying the other planets for intelligent life forms.
Findings are as follows:
Yes, there is intelligent life forms "out there"
I asked how they knew they were intelligent - their response?
They said everyone on their planet was intelligent just because they were born. They have no degree of intelligence - all are only in different ways.
Coolness - my personal spaceship is moving my belongings next week and off I go to Mars. gots to be with my peeps!
Findings are as follows:
Yes, there is intelligent life forms "out there"
I asked how they knew they were intelligent - their response?
They said everyone on their planet was intelligent just because they were born. They have no degree of intelligence - all are only in different ways.
Coolness - my personal spaceship is moving my belongings next week and off I go to Mars.
gots to be with my peeps!If you do, prove it, if you don't, shove it. Nevermind that last statement, actually, I was just saying on my contrary, Indian Astrology either says Aquarius is a water sign and actually an air or an air and actually a water sign. Water and emotion does not equal intelligence. Action and emotion are opposites and not the same, and I'm sorry but all of the elements cannot equal equal intelligence. To say so is to sacrifice the truth in making every petty person happy.
What is truly the importance of all of this anyway?
Does it really matter?
just curious.......
Does it really matter?
just curious.......
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