The 12th House of Evil

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^typos...drunk typing.

The 12th House is horrible. No wonder Pisces is prone to addiction!

I can't believe that people with Sun in Pisces don't hurl themselves off bridges far more regularly. God, it must SUCK to be you. I used to think it must SUCK to be a Virgo but I think Pisces gets the award for "try not to have a child born between these dates."

Anyhoo, as I sit here slathered in Off and wreaking of charcoal, I started looking up more information about my planets house placements. I have 3 planets in the 12th house - Moon, Venus and Mars. For those of you that have the misfortune of having planets in the 12th, it would behoove you to learn a little more about how this fucks you up internally. Yea, there's a reason why we're "not right." Fuckin' Fish!

I'm going to post excerpts from this article I found online for those who are interested. Bear with me...
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There is karma here. That means bad things will happen to bad people. Even good people will suffer misfortune if they??re carrying some mysterious past-life debt. This house can bring frustration, anxiety, confinement, and loss; also slavery, sickness, and imprisonment. It rules hospitals, prisons, mental institutions, and monasteries (the kind you were sent to when the family wanted to keep you from public view). The 12th also rules hidden enemies. These are the evil doers you don't even know about, like the smiling beautician who Moonlights as a sorcerer, and is even now sticking pins into a voodoo doll tied with a strand of your hair.

...Modern astrologers, like a happy Extreme Makeover crew, took their axes to this structure of doom. They hollowed out its dingy cells and remade the 12th into a vast womb of invisible potencies. It is now the matrix of divine unity, holding the Oneness from which we all emerge and to which we all return. Draped in the gauzy veils of Neptune and Pisces, the 12th has become an inner dream factory, residence of the collective unconscious, wellspring of symbols and archetypes, favorite haunt of the imagination. It is a house of intuition, compassion and spiritual transcendence. You??re advised to serve here, so that you don't have to suffer. For even modern astrologers couldn't erase all the difficulties in this house. They warn that in such a potent unbounded space, you can easily lose your bearings. Functions and gifts of planets here may be hard to access. You might lack a clear life direction or be confused about who you are. You may feel shy, insignificant, or anonymous—or you could suffer from delusions of grandeur. Saviors and martyrs live here. Your psychic boundaries might be so porous, you could be an easy mark for predators, or become a slick predator yourself. All of this could drive you to deception and drink.

—Self-undoing?? is the most relevant of the traditional keywords to survive in the modern 12th house, and it's potent enough to make us just as sick, imprisoned or enslaved as all the others. When you approach the veiled gates of this house, come armed with a healthy suspicion of your own blind spots. Pay attention to what irritates or frightens you —out there,?? because it's quite likely this enemy lurks in the shadows of your own nature, described by your 12th house planets or signs.
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12th House Moons

Katie has a 12th house Moon. On Ingrid??s 12th house cusp is Cancer, ruled by the Moon. Both women have a similar "enemy" in the outer world. Katie's nemesis is an actress in her community theater group. I've listened to Katie complain about her countless times. "She drives me nuts! She's always feeling sorry for herself. She's just a high school teacher but all you hear about is how hard she works, how stressful her job is. She's forever bringing homework to rehearsals and cast parties, so she can fall asleep on a pile of papers. Does she think we??ll give her an Oscar for martyr of the year?"

Ingrid's nemesis is Katie, whom she talks about constantly. Her complaint is surprisingly similar. "I just can't stand Katie. Listening to her is like fingernails on chalk to me. She drives me crazy, always playing the victim. Will she ever stop whining and feeling sorry for herself?" I once asked Ingrid why she thought Katie had such an effect on her. "I guess it's because I've always had it so hard. My mother was an alcoholic, you know, and I had to take care of myself. I never got to whine like that... No one ever cared if I cried."

Er, excuse me while I get my violin. I don't mean to sound unsympathetic, but I've got a 12th house Moon too. That's why I'm writing about Katie and Ingrid. Their whining about whiners bugs me! Because of her mother's alcoholism, Ingrid was robbed of much of the emotional comforts of her Moon. But Katie and I didn't have it much better. Twelfth house Moons often have mothers who are sick, narcissistic, or otherwise un-nurturing, reversing the mother-child dynamic so the child has to mother the mother. Twelfth house Moons learn to disguise their own vulnerability and pretend it isn't there. They become masters of self-sufficiency. Often they??re particularly gifted at taking care of others. But repressing their neediness doesn't make it disappear; it goes to their 12th house blind spot, where it lives as an emotionally hungry child. Trailing the competent nurturer, the little orphan cries out with an unconscious —Poor me!—??which everyone but the 12th house Moon person can hear.
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12th House Mars

Consider the case of a 12th house Mars. Mars is the archetypal warrior, representing the ability to set boundaries, be self-assertive, get angry when necessary. People with a 12th house Mars often have difficulty going after what they want. They??re outwardly gentle and agreeable, for the most part lacking Mars?? sharp attacks. You can cross them several times and get no reaction, but one day, someone, possibly you, will receive a full-blown Mars explosion. The 35-year-old computer programmer will disappear and a 2-year-old in tantrum will take his place. But the person acting out won't know what hit you. He may have sent you vicious emails, vilified your name in the public square, but when it's time for an apology, he??ll brush it off. To truly regret his actions, his 12th house Mars would have to reach consciousness first.

Our 12th house planets and signs are like children with special needs. They??ve suffered a critical deprivation. In some way our early environment didn't encourage or support their expression. They may be usurped, denied or shamed by our caretakers. Somehow we got the message they're unsafe to express. With Mars or Aries in the 12th, I may fear the expression of my competitive drive or deny my selfishness.
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12 House Other Planets

With Pluto or Scorpio, I may be too embarrassed to reveal my passion, my sexuality, my power. With Mercury or Gemini in the 12th, I may decide to keep my mouth shut. With Uranus or Aquarius in the 12th, I'll cover up what makes me different, and keep my creative genius under wraps. With Venus there, or Taurus or Libra, I won't know how beautiful, how sensuous, how artistic or loving I can be.

Whatever the rejected planet or sign, the subconscious awareness of its loss leads to a kind of victim consciousness, a conviction, in fact, that it's morally right to feel sorry for ourselves. Weren't we robbed after all? A businessman I know with a 12th house Mars was keenly aware of his inability to be self-assertive: "My mom co-opted all the anger in our house. I didn't dare cross her. But then I never got to be me." When he learned he had a reputation among his co-workers for being ruthless and cruel—his shadow Mars—he was actually thrilled. "Doesn't it bother you that you might really be hurting people?" I asked. There was a momentary confusion in his eyes before they glazed over. Lost in the memories of his past, and unable to fit them with a different picture of his present, he spaced out and forgot my question.

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@sea - WOO! a 12th house victim! i knew there were others. the finger paints are on the left, the straight jackets are on the right.


PLUTO IN TWELFTH HOUSE:
This house is the most psychically permeable. Those who are willing to go through the purging will see light on the other side of darkness. Anyone with Twelfth house planets feels cribbed, cabined and confined by life on earth. It is difficult for them to submit to the rules of the road and to live by these rules. The enemy lies within. The highest side of Pluto in this house means the willingness to be a channel to help those who are limited and afflicted. The willingness to be nothing in order to serve humanity can bring the wisdom aspect of Minerva into operation. As long as the individual tries to live a personal life (in the sense that he chooses to enhance his own personality and his own power) he is confused and lose his sense of identity. He bogs down in a swamp of self-pity and self-recrimination. Again the choice that is so intimately tied with the Twelfth house is to serve or suffer. The choice is there. Only through service and the dissolving of the personal will, will freedom from the negative use of any energies in the Twelfth house come.
source: http://www.rajunasrefuge.com/pluto.html<BR>

With Pluto in the twelfth house, you were born with a unique psychic attunement to suffering. Were the world a softer, more gentle place, in your youth, you might have sat beneath the Bodhi Tree, so to speak, and simply entered into a kind of compassionate meditation. But instead what happened was that you were flooded, overwhelmed with the psychic shrieking, whimpering, and wailing of embodied life-forms. And you shut down, at least partly. You had to.

This Plutonian configuration is distinct from the others in that the Wound connected with it can arise in the psyche independent of any particular "wounding event" in the youthful or karmic biography. Nobody had to hurt you personally, in other words, in order for you to be hurt by the synchronous howling of all the loneliness, sorrow, and pain on the planet.
source: http://fullmoon.vox.com/library/post/living-the-12th-house-plutonian-life.html
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actually, by being a nurse, i think you're mitigating the impacts of the 12th house. serve or sacrifice. you choose to serve.

i'm still trying to figure out what it all means for me. i'm trying to put it in context of each planet that i have in the 12th house because truthfully, in a lot of ways, i have the problems associated with those placements. not all the time or all at once, but it's there.

also what does make sense is the notion that i'm sometimes clueless to how i'm perceived by others vs. how i perceive myself...with respect to those planets.

from that original article, she told the story of a guy who dressed oddly but who said he dressed the way he did to look normal. for him, it was like looking in a fun-house mirror. he saw normal, the world saw his attire as different/strange.

i think the crazy part is not being able to recognize or see what everyone else sees. i mean if you don't know that you're off, then how can you challenge or fix "it?"

so it makes sense that this would be the "crazy" house. i.e. people with mental illness are not always connected with reality. for them, what they're doing, saying, believing makes perfect sense. and they can do it in sane world and still not feel as if they're not a part of it.

i don't think it's as grave as it sounds. just more, depending on the planet, the 12th house just makes everything fuzzy with respect to how that planet operates.
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Saturn In The Twelfth House: Saturn (to control) in the House of Ends

You seek to control or you are controlled by matters that cannot be controlled or which are unknown to you. This may mean you suppress your sadness which may prevent you properly handling it. It could also mean you are restricted by matters which you cannot avoid. It is possible you are secretly sabotaged by hidden enemies, such as an apparent friend or acquaintance who talks behind your back to influential people. You may feel you must become involved in service to humanity, yet be disheartened by the many obstacles in this path. You believe you are restricted from living a normal life, perhaps because you believe you are different from others in some way. All of this can contribute to making you a very important person in helping others. By understanding the limits and restrictions of life, you can empathise with others and understand them and help them. You may work for a big organisation, such as a hospital, prison, or even organisations such as the United Nations. You can be more aware of hidden matters in the unconscious mind and use this knowledge for the benefit of humanity.

source: http://www.trans4mind.com/personal_development/astrology/LearningAstrology/housesSaturn.htm<BR>
or try cafe astrology saturn in the houses
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^typos...drunk typing.

The 12th House is horrible. No wonder Pisces is prone to addiction!

I can't believe that people with Sun in Pisces don't hurl themselves off bridges far more regularly. God, it must SUCK to be you. I used to think it must SUCK to be a Virgo but I think Pisces gets the award for "try not to have a child born between these dates."

Anyhoo, as I sit here slathered in Off and wreaking of charcoal, I started looking up more information about my planets house placements. I have 3 planets in the 12th house - Moon, Venus and Mars. For those of you that have the misfortune of having planets in the 12th, it would behoove you to learn a little more about how this fucks you up internally. Yea, there's a reason why we're "not right." Fuckin' Fish!

I'm going to post excerpts from this article I found online for those who are interested. Bear with me...


What about the successful Pisces people like Albert Einstein? I don't think it would've sucked to be extremely smart. With that said, I don't think I've met a Pisces person yet who wasn't addicted to something whether it be candy (yum yum), sex, drugs, etc. etc.

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yes, i have tits and ass.

and no more jello pudding pops for the fish. the sugar makes him spunky.

besides, venus in aries people last about 5 min in bed. he's probably cleaning up....now.



lady, i don't know what kind of experience you have had with venus in aries men. but i am sure as hell that it must have not been good if you're saying that. i could tell you stories (recallable ones, of course) that'll make you think i stole them straight out of a succubus's sex novel. the only one who can make me cum in five minutes however... is my hand.

psshh.
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