Why do you hate pisces?

This topic was created in the Astrology forum by swatches on Friday, May 3, 2013 and has 25 replies.
I have noticed that people tend to find at least one thing to hate about pisces.Some of them are contradictary and I would like to learn the truth.What is the truth
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The pisces guy that was talking to me was very needy! When I couldn't text him back promptly because I was working, he got upset! When I wouldn't give him any, he got upset. WHEN I BREATHED, HE GOT UPSET!!.... But this Pisces was very immature. Forgot his full chart but meh.
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Posted by ninjutsu
Josef Mengele, nazi "Angel of Death". Night Stalker is a cool nick but Angel of Death is even catchier.



He's a pisces? Oh god.
I reread up on him to make sure I was right about who he was. This was one of the line I happened to glance at:
"Josef Mengele was the chief provider for the gas chambers and their crematoria."He had a look that said 'I am the power,'" said one survivor. When it was reported that one block was infected with lice, Mengele solved the problem by gassing all the 750 women assigned to it. At the time, Mengele was only 32 years old."
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Posted by swatches
I have noticed that people tend to find at least one thing to hate about pisces.Some of them are contradictary and I would like to learn the truth.What is the truth


People will find at least one thing to hate about any sign and there are twelve signs within the zodiac. This must be a troll thread or were you truly genuine in inquiring, hard to believe though. There is no truth, people will believe/see what they want to believe/see, that is life.
Why are you so bothered though? Are you a Merfolk?
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Posted by BalmyTigress

I've never met empathetic and kind Pisces, so my perception might be skewed. I was trying to understand why the Pisces in my life aren't like that.


being empathetic and sensitive is totally not the same thing as being kind and caring, and that's a big misconception found pop astrology
Some pisces can be compassionate, it's the spontaneous reaction , but those who do become socially weak, that's why a lot of pisces actually learn to become detached from everything throughout their life. this detachment can lead to being very procedure-obsessed and methodic in their obsessions.
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Posted by BalmyTigress

I'm starting to lean towards the idea that the problem with Pisces is the lack of boundaries, which would explain quite a lot. And by problem I mean their Achilles' heel. We all have one. Or several.


Lack of boundaries is definitely something that relate to me. I generally consider it one of my strengths but I can see how it can also be a problem.
Anyway I don't think there is a "problem with pisces".
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I have two Pisces in my life that are very close to me ??? my grandmother and my daughter. I want to let everyone know this so I can add some validity to my observation.

I am working with my daughter on selfish right now (or rather the characteristics of being self-absorbed and self-involved. There is a slight difference) - the deeper meaning of the word. I used an episode of ???House?? to illustrate this to her as I noticed the development and the obstinate selfishness. This particular episode of ???House?? is where Wilson??s best friend has a re-occurrence of Cancer. Wilson??s selfishness was fully examined - lifelong overcompensation; how it is disguised and thus he is mis-perceived by others as being nice, considerate, and conscientious; and, the choices he has made.
Children tend to be selfish in general so, this is not necessarily an attribute of my daughter but it is a serious concern because she is a Pisces and it can develop into a permanent characteristic. My daughter is conscientious ??? even her teachers recognize it so, the development of selfish characteristics were perplexing. First, I talked about the fact and my knowing that young girls her age are using the word a lot with each other and I told her that their usage is a petty application of the word. I've been trying to teach and show my daughter that House is the most caring person on the show. It is disguised because he is a realist. I am an idealist. I find that Pisces tend to be romanticist.

Pisces romanticism (Neptune) is the source of all the negative perceptions of them. Key words to describe Neptune are spirituality, dreams, illusions, imagination, idealism; however, I replace ???idealism?? with ???romanticism.?? Pisces tend to want everything to be romantic. Life has very few opportunities for romanticism. The perception of selfishness, lying, narcissism, manipulation, and addiction come from obstinate romanticism in some ??? a refusal or inability to be realistic in the most appropriate times. Doing so is self-absorbed.
Romanticism is most appropriate in art ??? fashion, music, art, cooking, party planning, religion, romantic love, etc. That why they make fabulous artists ??? seeing the world through this romantic lens.
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My grandmother was a chef. She was not a liar. She was extremely romantic and when the world did not conform to her romantic lens, she was depressed. My grandmother was a depressive and fought addiction. She had a food addiction and had to deal with obesity. I would often see her alone in the kitchen depressed and eating.

I am not worried about my daughter. She has Jupiter exalted in Cancer and Jupiter is her #1 most dominant planets, right on the cusp of her 1st and 2nd house but, reads in the 1st house. However, she is a Gemini Ascendant. Pisces is co-ruled by Jupiter and Neptune. Jupiter is at home in Sagittarius and Pisces and exalted in Cancer.

I am concerned, however, about the development of narcissism. My Libra mother is a narcissist and diagnosed as having the anti-social personality disorder. My mother??s #1 most dominant planet is Jupiter as well. She too has Jupiter exalted in Cancer. Her Jupiter is evenly aspected as far as negative/positive aspects. No matter what my mother did or what others did to her, she came out smelling like a rose. People were waiting for karma in my mother??s life. And it was common for everyone to say, ???no matter what she does, she comes out smelling like a rose.?? She gave me a wonderful decadent life. However, I was exposed to the darker aspects of life at a young age. She has Jupiter in the 8th.
I believe that Jupiter and Neptune, Pisces co-rulers, and the use of this ruler ship, appropriately, and inappropriately, play a great part in how the Pisces are perceived.
Bothe Judas Iscariot and Jesus Christ are Pisces.
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She does not have to agree with me. She has to explore what I am saying to her - to step outside her perception and see from another's viewpoint, to acknowledge realism, to know the difference between realism and romanticism, to use it appropriately.
My daughter is more extroverted Pisces and she finds people extremely stimulating which has its own problems.
I fully enjoy my daughter's romantic ways. Because of it, she makes the most ideal little girl ever. She fucking loves fairies and just got through dancing in the living room to a fairy music video - I love it. I encourage her romanticism when it is appropriate. She has entered a talent show at the school to which she made the cut. She will be singing and I am going to garb her in the most decadent clothes we can find. She draws very well and as I am gifted and educated in the arts, I encourage and teach her drawing techniques. She had more clothes than any little girl should have. She has more toys than any child should have. I am gently trying to get her ready for a big girl room. It might be okay if it stays this way for a while, I'm not sure. But, I'll know when the time is right.
She is sometimes treated like an outcast in our little nuclear family by her Taurus brother and Leo father but, this Aries brings the HAMMER. I protect my fairy. However, I will gently feed her realism when her romanticism hurts her. For example, she did not want to do the birds and the bees talk. It's real. We had to talk about it. It's not pretty but, we gotta get down to brass tacts first and then, we can explore the romanticism.
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Posted by PiscVirgAquaFish
You said you're an idealist yourself. Being an idealist to me is not necessarily about wearing rose colored lens or romanticizing life. It's more about being willing to dream that better exists. Being optimistic.
"Some men see things as they are and say "why". I dream things that never were and say "why not". -Robert Kennedy, classic Idealist. He died for his efforts unfortunately so this may not be the best example. LOL.


Romanticism is a spin-off of idealism. Just look at the paintings from a realist era and the romantic era. Me being idealist probably makes me a good parent for a romanticist. I understand her and when she cries, I say "baby I know but..."
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Posted by Grey
i like pisces. The only problem is that i don't agree that they are humble and weak.....or other shit. Tha type of cunning shit won't fly with me.



I have worked very hard to get my daughter to reveal to me her cunning. I do this by not judging her. We just explore her choices.
My greatest accomplishment in the area was my daughter admitting to me she like drama. I was so happy when she admitted this to me. She has great emotional fortitude. But, she gotta use it appropriately. It's amazing to me that she's a crier but, love drama. So, I started paying more attention to the fact that all tears are not sorrow.
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Posted by Grey
i would simply say that again there are two kinds of egos in this world. overt and subtle. unless you are enlightened i don't believe your claims of victim and humility.
quite unfairly the overt egos actually get a lot of hate. subtle egos are usually more insidious and cruel. both are bad ofcourse. love kills both!



I agree.
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Posted by s4nd
Posted by Grey
i like pisces. The only problem is that i don't agree that they are humble and weak.....or other shit. Tha type of cunning shit won't fly with me.


Type Two???More Depth by Level
Healthy Levels
Level 1 (At Their Best): Become deeply unselfish, humble, and altruistic: giving unconditional love to self and others. Feel it is a privilege to be in the lives of others.
Level 2: Empathetic, compassionate, feeling for others. Caring and concerned about their needs. Thoughtful, warm-hearted, forgiving and sincere.
Level 3: Encouraging and appreciative, able to see the good in others. Service is important, but takes care of self too: they are nurturing, generous, and giving???a truly loving person.
Average Levels
Level 4: Want to be closer to others, so start "people pleasing," becoming overly friendly, emotionally demonstrative, and full of "good intentions" about everything. Give seductive attention: approval, "strokes," flattery. Love is their supreme value, and they talk about it constantly.
Level 5: Become overly intimate and intrusive: they need to be needed, so they hover, meddle, and control in the name of love. Want others to depend on them: give, but expect a return: send double messages. Enveloping and possessive: the codependent, self-sacrificial person who cannot do enough for others???wearing themselves out for everyone, creating needs for themselves to fulfill.
Level 6: Increasingly self-important and self-satisfied, feel they are indispensable, although they overrate their efforts in others' behalf. Hypochondria, becoming a "martyr" for others. Overbearing, patronizing, presumptuous.
Unhealthy Levels
Level 7: Can be manipulative and self-serving, instilling guilt by telling others how much they owe them and make them suffer. Abuse food and medication to "stuff feelings" and get sympathy. Undermine people, making belittling, disparaging remarks. Extremely self-deceptive about their motives and how aggressive and/or selfish their behavior is.
Level 8: Domineering and coercive: feel entitled to get anything they want from others: the repayment of old debts, money, sexual favors.
Level 9: Able to excuse and rationalize what they do since they feel abused and victimized by others and are bitterly resentful and angry. Somatization of their aggress
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Nice breakdown!
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S4nd where did you get that from? Does it have an analysis of all signs?
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Nevermind, I googled it - nice attribution.
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Posted by s4nd
Posted by VenusAquarius
Nevermind, I googled it - nice attribution.


most pisces test as 2's but most women r 2's too...
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LMAO - I see. But, shit... not ME.
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I'm between a level 3 and 4.
Level 1 is an abusive state to the max, it BEGS for others to abuse you and they will.
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Posted by s4nd
Posted by Grey
i like pisces. The only problem is that i don't agree that they are humble and weak.....or other shit. Tha type of cunning shit won't fly with me.


Type Two???More Depth by Level
Healthy Levels
Level 1 (At Their Best): Become deeply unselfish, humble, and altruistic: giving unconditional love to self and others. Feel it is a privilege to be in the lives of others.
Level 2: Empathetic, compassionate, feeling for others. Caring and concerned about their needs. Thoughtful, warm-hearted, forgiving and sincere.
Level 3: Encouraging and appreciative, able to see the good in others. Service is important, but takes care of self too: they are nurturing, generous, and giving???a truly loving person.
Average Levels
Level 4: Want to be closer to others, so start "people pleasing," becoming overly friendly, emotionally demonstrative, and full of "good intentions" about everything. Give seductive attention: approval, "strokes," flattery. Love is their supreme value, and they talk about it constantly.
Level 5: Become overly intimate and intrusive: they need to be needed, so they hover, meddle, and control in the name of love. Want others to depend on them: give, but expect a return: send double messages. Enveloping and possessive: the codependent, self-sacrificial person who cannot do enough for others???wearing themselves out for everyone, creating needs for themselves to fulfill.
Level 6: Increasingly self-important and self-satisfied, feel they are indispensable, although they overrate their efforts in others' behalf. Hypochondria, becoming a "martyr" for others. Overbearing, patronizing, presumptuous.
Unhealthy Levels
Level 7: Can be manipulative and self-serving, instilling guilt by telling others how much they owe them and make them suffer. Abuse food and medication to "stuff feelings" and get sympathy. Undermine people, making belittling, disparaging remarks. Extremely self-deceptive about their motives and how aggressive and/or selfish their behavior is.
Level 8: Domineering and coercive: feel entitled to get anything they want from others: the repayment of old debts, money, sexual favors.
Level 9: Able to excuse and rationalize what they do since they feel abused and victimized by others and are bitterly resentful and angry. Somatization of their aggress
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Where the F do you get all that cr*p from?
People should stop projecting their own madness onto the pisces sign sometimes.
whoever wrote this was way too creepily obsessed about pisces, srsly, get another target
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i notice (on here at least) that the only people that seem to hate pisces is the females who've been in prior relationships with us,lol..buncha scorned & scarred creatures if you ask me..
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Posted by BalmyTigress
Posted by hydorah

Where the F do you get all that cr*p from?
People should stop projecting their own madness onto the pisces sign sometimes.
whoever wrote this was way too creepily obsessed about pisces, srsly, get another target


That's not about Pisces. It's the enneagram thingie.


OK
I went to an enneagram website and the categories don't seem to correspond to the stuf you posted, anyway the category that corresponds the most to my personality (from the website) is 5

In the Thinking Center, Fives have anxiety about the outer world and about their capacity to cope with it. Thus, they cope with their fear by withdrawing from the world. Fives become secretive, isolated loners who use their minds to penetrate into the nature of the world. Fives hope that eventually, as they understand reality on their own terms, they will be able to rejoin the world and participate in it, but they never feel they know enough to participate with total confidence. Instead, they involve themselves with increasingly complex inner worlds.
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when I look at enneagram descriptions on other websites they don't correspond to these descriptions
Posted by s4nd

Type Two???More Depth by Level
Healthy Levels
Level 1 (At Their Best): Become deeply unselfish, humble, and altruistic: giving unconditional love to self and others. Feel it is a privilege to be in the lives of others.
Level 2: Empathetic, compassionate, feeling for others. Caring and concerned about their needs. Thoughtful, warm-hearted, forgiving and sincere.
Level 3: Encouraging and appreciative, able to see the good in others. Service is important, but takes care of self too: they are nurturing, generous, and giving???a truly loving person.
Average Levels
Level 4: Want to be closer to others, so start "people pleasing," becoming overly friendly, emotionally demonstrative, and full of "good intentions" about everything. Give seductive attention: approval, "strokes," flattery. Love is their supreme value, and they talk about it constantly.
Level 5: Become overly intimate and intrusive: they need to be needed, so they hover, meddle, and control in the name of love. Want others to depend on them: give, but expect a return: send double messages. Enveloping and possessive: the codependent, self-sacrificial person who cannot do enough for others???wearing themselves out for everyone, creating needs for themselves to fulfill.
Level 6: Increasingly self-important and self-satisfied, feel they are indispensable, although they overrate their efforts in others' behalf. Hypochondria, becoming a "martyr" for others. Overbearing, patronizing, presumptuous.
Unhealthy Levels
Level 7: Can be manipulative and self-serving, instilling guilt by telling others how much they owe them and make them suffer. Abuse food and medication to "stuff feelings" and get sympathy. Undermine people, making belittling, disparaging remarks. Extremely self-deceptive about their motives and how aggressive and/or selfish their behavior is.
Level 8: Domineering and coercive: feel entitled to get anything they want from others: the repayment of old debts, money, sexual favors.
(...)


for example the level 5 description I posted above doens't correspond to this level 5 description
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Im pisces, I dont like being on an emotional rollercoaster.
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@Bratiki and Damen VI - stop trying to whine about the females aggravated about their ex Pisces and alluding to the fact that it's their fault rather than the male Pisces - who knows whose fault it was and whether or not it just wasn't a good match - plus we can say what we want here on DXP.


I for one was married to a man who happened to be a Pisces Sun - I never did his other placements. I won't bore you with the details but it wasn't my fault which he admitted immediately and will admit today and it's been 4 years since our divorce. I am not bitter. I am very happy not to have to put up with all of his crap anymore. I am glad I am no longer married to that man.

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