Why doesn't it count???
This topic was created in the Astrology forum by krysrenee7 on Wednesday, November 3, 2010 and has 22 replies.
Just curious....
Why don't we count the months that we were in the womb towards our age???? I think they did this back in biblical times but apparently, not anymore.
...I know this question is outside of the box, but it is food for thought...
Why don't we count the months that we were in the womb towards our age???? I think they did this back in biblical times but apparently, not anymore.
...I know this question is outside of the box, but it is food for thought...
My mother told me I was concieved on Jan. 1st...ewwwww. TMI!!!
Sorry a bit off topic (but slightly related) I was having a conversation with someone the other day and thought it was interesting as they thought it was conception that actually defined your chart not when you were born
e.g I am a Libra but not because I was born in October but because I was concieved in January.
e.g I am a Libra but not because I was born in October but because I was concieved in January.
Well I hate to take it there, BUT people discussing abortion are always quick to give the month/date for which they consider a fetus a human being. Astrology deprives from science & that science is measured by WHEN we were brought into existence, right? We may not have been technically born yet, BUT if astrology/science basis a person's chart on when they became a human being, then, why wouldn't science/astrology consider the months/weeks that we were officially considered a "human being/species?"
Here's MORE food for thought: What about the babies who are born via C-section on the specific date that the mother picked out. My mother had the choice to deliver me between Feb. 9-15 & she choose the 11th. So what about the babies who COULD HAVE been born 1 or 2 days away from/close to another sign? By the time most babies are ready to come out (c-section or natural birth) their brains are already developed to a certain extent. So if a woman's due date was really jan. 15 but yet she had her baby on feb.8th, would the baby randomly & automatically no longer have the SAME personality the way it would persay it was born on it's original due date?
Here's MORE food for thought: What about the babies who are born via C-section on the specific date that the mother picked out. My mother had the choice to deliver me between Feb. 9-15 & she choose the 11th. So what about the babies who COULD HAVE been born 1 or 2 days away from/close to another sign? By the time most babies are ready to come out (c-section or natural birth) their brains are already developed to a certain extent. So if a woman's due date was really jan. 15 but yet she had her baby on feb.8th, would the baby randomly & automatically no longer have the SAME personality the way it would persay it was born on it's original due date?
@Scorpio: Well I think most women keep counting by the month b/c that's the way medical professionals go about pregnancy. It's kind of like how we say 6pm or 8am but yet those in the military say "1800 hours." It's like wtf, just say 8oclock dammit! lol
Doctors go by the months & I think them doing so rubs off on the patients. Personally, I think it's alot more harder to keep up with how old a child is if you go by the months, especially after they reach a certain age. It's like sheesh, just say the damn child is 1yr old, NOT 365 days, 2 hrs & 15 seconds! Sheeesh!
Doctors go by the months & I think them doing so rubs off on the patients. Personally, I think it's alot more harder to keep up with how old a child is if you go by the months, especially after they reach a certain age. It's like sheesh, just say the damn child is 1yr old, NOT 365 days, 2 hrs & 15 seconds! Sheeesh!
Posted by krysrenee7
Here's MORE food for thought: What about the babies who are born via C-section on the specific date that the mother picked out. My mother had the choice to deliver me between Feb. 9-15 & she choose the 11th. So what about the babies who COULD HAVE been born 1 or 2 days away from/close to another sign? By the time most babies are ready to come out (c-section or natural birth) their brains are already developed to a certain extent. So if a woman's due date was really jan. 15 but yet she had her baby on feb.8th, would the baby randomly & automatically no longer have the SAME personality the way it would persay it was born on it's original due date?
Yes I have also wondered this. If astrology went on conception then it wouldnt matter if the baby was c-section, induced or late, but I have heard people say it apparently is when the baby takes its first breath. Seems strange to me how an intake of breath can define a person but then again probably no weirder than astrology in general to non believers.
One of my friends sisters was born 2 months early and almost died. I don't know her birthday but it would be interesting to see whether or not she seems like she should have been the star sign two months ahead.
I was born a month early. I would've been a leo but I guess I changed my mind.
Posted by cancergem
I was born a month early. I would've been a leo but I guess I changed my mind.
Dont blame you
Haha
How weird is this though, just checked my conception chart (rough estimate) and....it is almost identical to the guy who I believe is my soul mate! coincedence? yes probably lol. But maybe him being born when I was concieved gave us some kind of connection, you never know.
Suppose not many people know the exact date never mind time when they were concieved so its hard to figure out.
Suppose not many people know the exact date never mind time when they were concieved so its hard to figure out.
I mean seriously, what happens when a child is born on a day they weren't originally planned to be born on? What happens? Do their brains all of the sudden configure itself all over again to adjust to the "new personality" the baby is supposed to have? Does the brain say, "Damn! I was supposed to be an Aquarius! Welp, oh well, I guess now I gotta be a Pisces for life? I mean wtf! That's almost like saying that personality deprives from astrology alone. Crazy.
LOL @ TV
When you are born in parts of South East Asia (Korea), you are born 1 years old. They count the time spent in your mama.
When you are born in parts of South East Asia (Korea), you are born 1 years old. They count the time spent in your mama.
@Claire: Good & interesting points. BUT, astrology supposedly relies on the concept of when a person is considered human. And obviously, alot of people feel that a fetus is "humanized" once it's born. BUT, technically, a baby can be ready to come out 2 weeks (example) before it's even time & yet that very same baby is already considered a living fetus/human being.
Water (the sac) is an element of astrology too just like air (delivery) is so it doesn't make sense that astrologers would only consider someone human based on the element they are in? Babies survive, breath, live, eat, think, are affected by their atmosphere (which is the mother's movements/mood/nutrition), move & basically do all the same things they do when they're finally born. So technically if astrology/the signs are based on when a person becomes humanized, technically I'm with the abortion people on this one: They become humanized way before delivery, therefore those days/months should count too.
Therefore, It's almost kind of silly for an astrologer to say that a baby is not humanized the day before their birth, but yet ARE once their delivered. The only difference is that yesterday the baby was living/breathing/surviving in fluid, whereas today the baby is doing all of the very SAME things, just in air. How on earth can those huge stars billions of light years away tell the difference?!!!
Water (the sac) is an element of astrology too just like air (delivery) is so it doesn't make sense that astrologers would only consider someone human based on the element they are in? Babies survive, breath, live, eat, think, are affected by their atmosphere (which is the mother's movements/mood/nutrition), move & basically do all the same things they do when they're finally born. So technically if astrology/the signs are based on when a person becomes humanized, technically I'm with the abortion people on this one: They become humanized way before delivery, therefore those days/months should count too.
Therefore, It's almost kind of silly for an astrologer to say that a baby is not humanized the day before their birth, but yet ARE once their delivered. The only difference is that yesterday the baby was living/breathing/surviving in fluid, whereas today the baby is doing all of the very SAME things, just in air. How on earth can those huge stars billions of light years away tell the difference?!!!
How on earth can those huge stars billions of light years away tell the difference?!!! I didn't know the stars were so petty! lol
I've heard of this before. I think the Chinese count age from conception....
@Claire: Love the picture above!
You're right. We can't tell the stars how to behave, BUT what's interesting is that the stars have remained the same but yet different cultures/astrologers over time can be studying the same stars but yet base their astrological findings on completely different things. How is it that an astrologer here can say that based on how the stars "work," it doesn't count until we are officially born but yet an astrologer in China can be studying the same "Stars" & yet base their version of "when it counts" to when something officially becomes a fetus?
Just comes to show that even with science, there is a little bit of "man made" influence. Science is science. The stars are the stars. It's crazy that we can all be looking/studying the SAME things but yet see things totally different.
The Chinese culture counts the weeks/months someone is in the womb & I'm assuming that their astrologers are just as educated & "legit." There must be a reason they count even the weeks/months in the womb. They may be wrong but they believe in their version of "astrology" just like we believe in ours, so how is it that 2 completely different concepts can ring TRUE for all people? For instance, if it's technically about the weeks/months I was still in the womb, I wouldn't be an Aquarius, but yet I act JUST like an Aquarian. And weirdly, even though they go off of conception in western astrology, those people are over there saying TOO that they fit their sign perfectly! It's amazing.
You're right. We can't tell the stars how to behave, BUT what's interesting is that the stars have remained the same but yet different cultures/astrologers over time can be studying the same stars but yet base their astrological findings on completely different things. How is it that an astrologer here can say that based on how the stars "work," it doesn't count until we are officially born but yet an astrologer in China can be studying the same "Stars" & yet base their version of "when it counts" to when something officially becomes a fetus?
Just comes to show that even with science, there is a little bit of "man made" influence. Science is science. The stars are the stars. It's crazy that we can all be looking/studying the SAME things but yet see things totally different.
The Chinese culture counts the weeks/months someone is in the womb & I'm assuming that their astrologers are just as educated & "legit." There must be a reason they count even the weeks/months in the womb. They may be wrong but they believe in their version of "astrology" just like we believe in ours, so how is it that 2 completely different concepts can ring TRUE for all people? For instance, if it's technically about the weeks/months I was still in the womb, I wouldn't be an Aquarius, but yet I act JUST like an Aquarian. And weirdly, even though they go off of conception in western astrology, those people are over there saying TOO that they fit their sign perfectly! It's amazing.
* Why don't we count the months that we were in the womb towards our age???? I think they did this back in biblical times but apparently, not anymore.
Who told you this nonsense? Cumulative age is a modern convention. Most people had no idea how old they were or when they were born until written records appeared in the last few centuries.
Who told you this nonsense? Cumulative age is a modern convention. Most people had no idea how old they were or when they were born until written records appeared in the last few centuries.
Furthermore, early Christians or Muslims believed the soul didn't enter the body till 40 days after birth. I would have to double check that but I am pretty sure it was 40 days after.
or maybe it was 40 days after conception? *scratching my head* lol
We don't start (earth aging), cellular break-down, until our first literal breath of independent life (astrologically, this also marks the exact degree of our asc), because we ARE still in physiological development. Spiritually speaking, there really ARE no mistakes or "supposed to be's". Whenever/whoever you are at birth (in whatever manner) is what WAS mean't to be or you wouldn't be you.
I suppose it's because we aren't fully developed even within the womb. We don't start "forming" until two months after being conceived, and it's only into the third month or so that we start looking anything remotely like a baby. We have to develop a heart, eyes, ect ect. It's only until 7 months that we are deemed "okay" to live outside of the womb. So, I figure when we're actually able to breathe and to function as a human, that's when we should start taking a tally of how old we are.
The Chinese count the day you are born as your FIRST birthday, and a year later, you turn TWO. (Also, their New Year is usually in February, but sometimes January or March... it changes according to a varied and complicated system that didn't make a whole lot of sense to me... but they say that's why they don't know too far ahead exactly WHEN the next Chinese New Year will be.)
As for babies being born considerably OFF from their due date and that messing with their Astrology characteristics.. my second daughter was born SIX WEEKS early... and I swear her chart is so incredibly accurate... I DID once try to calculate her chart according to 38 weeks after her conception (which I knew) to get a likely chart... it was considerably "off" in most "main planets", most of it was nothing like her - she's absolutely Taurus with a whole LOT of Aries in her.. NOT a Gemini (not a Gemini Sun in ANY way, shape, or form!) with a Libra Moon and a LOT of other Gemini planets. Her older sister was born the day before her due date.. and HER chart matches her very well. (Also Taurus, but with a heaping helping of Pisces influences!) That sure makes my two Tau girls SOOOOO different from each other!
So I don't know.. seems kinda crazy to me that people would be "given" their personalities the minute they pop out, whether that day was earlier or later than it "should have been"... now we're getting into Fate.. Destiny.. Predetermination. Pretty deep stuff lol
As for babies being born considerably OFF from their due date and that messing with their Astrology characteristics.. my second daughter was born SIX WEEKS early... and I swear her chart is so incredibly accurate... I DID once try to calculate her chart according to 38 weeks after her conception (which I knew) to get a likely chart... it was considerably "off" in most "main planets", most of it was nothing like her - she's absolutely Taurus with a whole LOT of Aries in her.. NOT a Gemini (not a Gemini Sun in ANY way, shape, or form!) with a Libra Moon and a LOT of other Gemini planets. Her older sister was born the day before her due date.. and HER chart matches her very well. (Also Taurus, but with a heaping helping of Pisces influences!) That sure makes my two Tau girls SOOOOO different from each other!
So I don't know.. seems kinda crazy to me that people would be "given" their personalities the minute they pop out, whether that day was earlier or later than it "should have been"... now we're getting into Fate.. Destiny.. Predetermination. Pretty deep stuff lol
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