Are Caps overly envous?
This topic was created in the Capricorn forum by haffo on Friday, March 24, 2006 and has 33 replies.
Yeah really,
Are Caps overly envous of people possesions?
Are Caps overly envous of people possesions?
envious*
Then why do Caps strive to go up on corporate ladder?
For status and power Haffo..thats why..
"For status and power Haffo..thats why.."
Then we are talking about same things Missmorals. By moving up on corporate ladder and earning money, they start to acquire possessions that is sign of their power.
Then we are talking about same things Missmorals. By moving up on corporate ladder and earning money, they start to acquire possessions that is sign of their power.
Capman
I'm restlessly looking forward for what you gonna say.
Really. You got the topic from interesting point.
I'm restlessly looking forward for what you gonna say.
Really. You got the topic from interesting point.
Caps are never envious, what's there to be envious of? hehehehehe
Heh, you silly.
But seriosly, I wonder how their mind works. I guess without envy toward people possessions typical Capricorn would not be that much interested in power and money.
But seriosly, I wonder how their mind works. I guess without envy toward people possessions typical Capricorn would not be that much interested in power and money.
Hmm..
Maybe Taurus are envy in this matter.
Maybe Taurus are envy in this matter.
After all Tarueans are supposed to be ego driven folks while Cappies are more community driven.
Being envious of people possessions has one meaning Brahn: Power, Status and Control. Those people ideantify themselves with people this way. The more power, status, possessions they gain more controlling they become. This way they make sound of themselves to people Brahn. And since Earth signs are materialistic signs, either Taurus or Capricorn should be aligned with this quality because Virgo has a little bit different apporach.
Yep I would have to agree Librans are materialistic and shallow at times, obsessed with beauty..
Cappies just crave respect..and will carry on trying till their dying day for it..thus neglecting everything else that comes in their path..such as love..sad really but hey ho..each to their own..
Cappies just crave respect..and will carry on trying till their dying day for it..thus neglecting everything else that comes in their path..such as love..sad really but hey ho..each to their own..
"Funny you should say that haffo because the most materialistic people I know are librans. They seem to be overly obsessed with designer labels and having the best and most expensive of everything, regardless of the fact that you can get the same thing for a fraction of the cost. Taureans are in my experience the most materialistic earth sign."
Libras does not practise it as a sign of power, control and status. They do it for aesthetics which is far from what I say.
"I dont really understand the point you are making about how an individual's propensity to envy correlates with the status, power and control that individual has. Envy is a basic human trait that everyone may exhibit. It's hopefully a trait that most people grow out of as they grow up and realise that there is more to life."
You are right. We all have more or less envy to things that was being gained by people before us. But that is the point, as I said "Are Cappies 'overly' envious?", see the "overly" part? Yeah and the envy to what others have means "I want it too, because I want to be as powerful and controlling as they are". That is either Cappy quality or Taurean.
Libras does not practise it as a sign of power, control and status. They do it for aesthetics which is far from what I say.
"I dont really understand the point you are making about how an individual's propensity to envy correlates with the status, power and control that individual has. Envy is a basic human trait that everyone may exhibit. It's hopefully a trait that most people grow out of as they grow up and realise that there is more to life."
You are right. We all have more or less envy to things that was being gained by people before us. But that is the point, as I said "Are Cappies 'overly' envious?", see the "overly" part? Yeah and the envy to what others have means "I want it too, because I want to be as powerful and controlling as they are". That is either Cappy quality or Taurean.
SYLLABICATION: en?vy
PRONUNCIATION: nv
NOUN: Inflected forms: pl. en?vies
1a. A feeling of discontent and resentment aroused by and in conjunction with desire for the possessions or qualities of another. b. The object of such feeling: Their new pool made them the envy of their neighbors. 2. Obsolete Malevolence.
TRANSITIVE VERB: Inflected forms: en?vied, en?vy?ing, en?vies
1. To feel envy toward. 2. To regard with envy.
ETYMOLOGY: Middle English envie, from Old French, from Latin invidia, from invidus, envious, from invidre, to look at with envy : in-, in, on; see en?1 + vidre, to see; see weid- in Appendix I. V., from Middle English envien, from Old French envier, from Latin invidre.
OTHER FORMS: envi?er ?NOUN
envy?ing?ly ?ADVERB
SYNONYMS: envy, begrudge, covet These verbs mean to feel resentful or painful desire for another's advantages or possessions. Envy, the most general, combines discontent, resentment, and desire: ?When I peruse the conquered fame of heroes and the victories of mighty generals, I do not envy the generals? (Walt Whitman). Begrudge stresses ill will and reluctance to acknowledge another's right or claim: Why begrudge him his success? Covet stresses a secret or culpable longing for something to which one has no right: ?We hate no people and covet no people's lands? (Wendell L. Willkie, His creed, inscribed on a marker by his grave.)
PRONUNCIATION: nv
NOUN: Inflected forms: pl. en?vies
1a. A feeling of discontent and resentment aroused by and in conjunction with desire for the possessions or qualities of another. b. The object of such feeling: Their new pool made them the envy of their neighbors. 2. Obsolete Malevolence.
TRANSITIVE VERB: Inflected forms: en?vied, en?vy?ing, en?vies
1. To feel envy toward. 2. To regard with envy.
ETYMOLOGY: Middle English envie, from Old French, from Latin invidia, from invidus, envious, from invidre, to look at with envy : in-, in, on; see en?1 + vidre, to see; see weid- in Appendix I. V., from Middle English envien, from Old French envier, from Latin invidre.
OTHER FORMS: envi?er ?NOUN
envy?ing?ly ?ADVERB
SYNONYMS: envy, begrudge, covet These verbs mean to feel resentful or painful desire for another's advantages or possessions. Envy, the most general, combines discontent, resentment, and desire: ?When I peruse the conquered fame of heroes and the victories of mighty generals, I do not envy the generals? (Walt Whitman). Begrudge stresses ill will and reluctance to acknowledge another's right or claim: Why begrudge him his success? Covet stresses a secret or culpable longing for something to which one has no right: ?We hate no people and covet no people's lands? (Wendell L. Willkie, His creed, inscribed on a marker by his grave.)
"So what does envying someone's 'possessions' have to do with climbing the corporate ladder or for that matter wanting power?"
To satisfy your need of attention.
To satisfy your need of attention.
"This may sound redundant but tell me something, why as a capricorn (or even not as one)would a person want to climb the corporate ladder in order to gather attention? And for that matter what has wanting attention got to do with envying someone's possessions?"
People have different minority complexes. In case of Cappies, they have minority complex towards people possesions. And the cure of minority complex is compensation of it by seeking attention. It seems like minority complex of Cappies cases them to be envious toward people.
People have different minority complexes. In case of Cappies, they have minority complex towards people possesions. And the cure of minority complex is compensation of it by seeking attention. It seems like minority complex of Cappies cases them to be envious toward people.
I am often "idealistic" or "unrealistic", but my dad was a cap (passed away) and my mom is a cap, my guy is a cap, and several of my friends are caps. WOW, that is scary considering I never stopped to think about it until now. No wonder I'm strange, a cancer raised and surrounded by caps all her life. Aaaaah! Anyways, my experience has been that they seek to follow their vision, accomplishement and recognition for their outstanding efforts. That is what also leads them to positions of power, where they like to be. Poor, poor little selfless crab. (well, except now I have a butter eating grin to show for my sacrifices and cap training all my life 
)
My point being, their accomplishments are a result of their dedication and hard work toward their dedication, and while they may be the first to say, yea I like attention, but I deserve it. I rather think they are right, they do deserve it. Crabs just want the three l's, Luv, Loyalty, and aaah, what was the third... oh yea, Lust. We just like to rule with an iron claw (cappy says, oooh, that hurts so good!)
)My point being, their accomplishments are a result of their dedication and hard work toward their dedication, and while they may be the first to say, yea I like attention, but I deserve it. I rather think they are right, they do deserve it. Crabs just want the three l's, Luv, Loyalty, and aaah, what was the third... oh yea, Lust. We just like to rule with an iron claw (cappy says, oooh, that hurts so good!)
Maybe it's a Taurus quality.
haffo, what "it"?
"haffo, what "it"?"
*Big sign
...envy.
*Big sign
...envy.
I'm not sure which one is more accountable for envious actions (if even two of them even can be accontable), but I surely know that this kind of quality is Earth signs quality for % 100. Surely people who are from other signs can possess this kind of quality in realistic sence, but we are talking about typical Cappy or Taurean traits. It's more like ideal case than realistic one.
"Youve formulated an argument based on the premise that the amount of corporate success a capricorn has is based on how envious they are."
Speaking of Capricorn; I think this quality might not be Cappy quality, because the sign of Capricorn is more "we" focused than "me" like Taurus. A person who experience true envy is more on "me" side than "we" side which makes it as perfect quality of Taurus than Capricorn. This is how I think about Cappies now. But! Cappy is not as "we" as for example Pisces is. In this case it still leaves suspition in me that Cappies also can be "accountble" for this trait.
Speaking of Capricorn; I think this quality might not be Cappy quality, because the sign of Capricorn is more "we" focused than "me" like Taurus. A person who experience true envy is more on "me" side than "we" side which makes it as perfect quality of Taurus than Capricorn. This is how I think about Cappies now. But! Cappy is not as "we" as for example Pisces is. In this case it still leaves suspition in me that Cappies also can be "accountble" for this trait.
Cappy is totally "me and my friends"-sign.
"However, you are now saying that taureans are fundamentally more envious than over signs (including caps). Does this mean that ambition and career are now also taurean traits or do you withdraw your previous analysis in favour of a new one?"
Ambition and career is not just Taurean or Capricornian trait, it's Earth sign trait which also includes Virgo. I cannot withdraw this quality from any of those signs since then they wouldn't be Earth sign's anymore. More or less all of those signs are bond with that quality. Surely human nature cannot be purified from emotion of "envy" because this emotion is also bond with fundamental quality of human nature - community life. If we are about to remove it, then we should divide every person from each other and let them live without seeing anyone which is impossible. Therefore, Earth signs will use their practicality (their strongest trait) to gain power, control and status to be accepted as a part of community. Some people utilise this urge to live together differently. Some people want to control others by physical force (Fire signs), practicality (Earth signs), Mentality (Air signs), Emotionality (Water signs). All those traits are also their strongest weapons. This is how they find their place in community among others. Cappy's are just fulfilling their desires with their strongest qualities which is practicality just like Virgo and Taurus. But every of them utilise it differently. Virgo utilise it by using gained information to put people down and gain their control for example. I don't know Taurus and Capricorn yet. But the quality I've described above is obviously belongs to one of those two signs.
Ambition and career is not just Taurean or Capricornian trait, it's Earth sign trait which also includes Virgo. I cannot withdraw this quality from any of those signs since then they wouldn't be Earth sign's anymore. More or less all of those signs are bond with that quality. Surely human nature cannot be purified from emotion of "envy" because this emotion is also bond with fundamental quality of human nature - community life. If we are about to remove it, then we should divide every person from each other and let them live without seeing anyone which is impossible. Therefore, Earth signs will use their practicality (their strongest trait) to gain power, control and status to be accepted as a part of community. Some people utilise this urge to live together differently. Some people want to control others by physical force (Fire signs), practicality (Earth signs), Mentality (Air signs), Emotionality (Water signs). All those traits are also their strongest weapons. This is how they find their place in community among others. Cappy's are just fulfilling their desires with their strongest qualities which is practicality just like Virgo and Taurus. But every of them utilise it differently. Virgo utilise it by using gained information to put people down and gain their control for example. I don't know Taurus and Capricorn yet. But the quality I've described above is obviously belongs to one of those two signs.
"So what you are basically saying is that practical earth signs have more common sense than emotional water signs....? As you describe envy as an emotion, it is inevitable that this also belongs in the arena of water signs. If practical earth signs want something they will find a way of achieving it whereas emotional water signs will just cry about it?"
I find hard timing to even write a response to that above. All this putting one down while putting the other up tells me something...
"You also seem to be saying that Earth signs need to use their material achievements to be accepted and make friends because they have no other qualities i.e. no personal warmth or charisma to form a social network...."
I don't think earth signs do possess only ability to gain material acheivements, but they do truly have hard timing in coping with emotions. This surely crops their social skills alot and forces them to move to excel on materialistic skills.
I find hard timing to even write a response to that above. All this putting one down while putting the other up tells me something...
"You also seem to be saying that Earth signs need to use their material achievements to be accepted and make friends because they have no other qualities i.e. no personal warmth or charisma to form a social network...."
I don't think earth signs do possess only ability to gain material acheivements, but they do truly have hard timing in coping with emotions. This surely crops their social skills alot and forces them to move to excel on materialistic skills.
Anyway
I will indulge to your earthy game here;
If you truly want to know which element is strongest, then the list below will give you information about it. The latest one is the strongest.
1) Fire
2) Earth
3) Air
4) Water
I will indulge to your earthy game here;
If you truly want to know which element is strongest, then the list below will give you information about it. The latest one is the strongest.
1) Fire
2) Earth
3) Air
4) Water
Or a better one;
1) Fire - Saggitarius
2) Earth - Capricorn
3) Air - Aquarius
4) Water - Pisces
1) Fire - Saggitarius
2) Earth - Capricorn
3) Air - Aquarius
4) Water - Pisces
Maybe it's just Earth quality, rather than any of it signs.
"haffo as usual I am baffled but I guess part of the fun aspect of pisceans is guessing what they are really thinking because they never seem to reveal their real thoughts verbally..."
I'm pretty sure that if you would excersize to keep your arrogance, sillyness and sarcasm in check when it is especially is not appropriated, you would face with baffleness less and seeing more Piscean reavealing their thougths verbally.
Seriously, I really didn't wanted to start putting down, I actually hate this, but when people pass my borders, I tick and make others tick as well.
I'm pretty sure that if you would excersize to keep your arrogance, sillyness and sarcasm in check when it is especially is not appropriated, you would face with baffleness less and seeing more Piscean reavealing their thougths verbally.
Seriously, I really didn't wanted to start putting down, I actually hate this, but when people pass my borders, I tick and make others tick as well.
Brahn
No offence but you obviously see things from Virgo viewpoint. The qualities that you have mentioned previously as brutality, take extended amounts of punishment and the rest...arent the strongest qualities at all. You see, we people live in community which makes us dependant on each other. If you think that those qualities that you have mentioned about will make your life among people easier and make you more effective in cooperating with people, I suggest you to reevaluate your viewpoint...
No offence but you obviously see things from Virgo viewpoint. The qualities that you have mentioned previously as brutality, take extended amounts of punishment and the rest...arent the strongest qualities at all. You see, we people live in community which makes us dependant on each other. If you think that those qualities that you have mentioned about will make your life among people easier and make you more effective in cooperating with people, I suggest you to reevaluate your viewpoint...
"If you can't laugh you might as well cry so I prefer to laugh...."
"To tell the truth I believe the main barrier to communication between you and many on these boards is your command of english and your ability to articulate your arguments in a way that will stop people asking you what you mean all the time."
"In saying this I am not trying to put you down but merely stating what I believe to be the truth."
Thanks. My English might not be perfect, but I'm not a fool too.
"To tell the truth I believe the main barrier to communication between you and many on these boards is your command of english and your ability to articulate your arguments in a way that will stop people asking you what you mean all the time."
"In saying this I am not trying to put you down but merely stating what I believe to be the truth."
Thanks. My English might not be perfect, but I'm not a fool too.
You either don't know when you put offensive sentenses or you are are just toying with me to see where I broke down.
Well Brahn, community signs are definetly stronger signs since they rely on others. And if someone does not know how to rely on others and trust them, well I can say that this is the problem of this person. I actually find it extremly easy to rely on people and trust them. Works for me.
In addition, Libra is the sign that ballances ego vs community, not Virgo. Virgo is still ego driven sign, but the least ego driven sign. Virgo is a last stand of ego driven signs and purporse of it is to serve. But servise with ego is a faulty combination which is corrected in Pisces. And all the other signs who close to Pisces are gradually removed from ego and given to community for a very good reason.
In addition, Libra is the sign that ballances ego vs community, not Virgo. Virgo is still ego driven sign, but the least ego driven sign. Virgo is a last stand of ego driven signs and purporse of it is to serve. But servise with ego is a faulty combination which is corrected in Pisces. And all the other signs who close to Pisces are gradually removed from ego and given to community for a very good reason.
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