Can Love Be Taught?

This topic was created in the Capricorn forum by cappysweetie on Friday, February 27, 2009 and has 30 replies.
I wonder ...
No one really knows how to love, right? Someone or maybe something has to teach this to you .... right ... ?
I say love to be an understanding at heart of someone's nature. So it's something that everyone has and doesn't need to be taught maybe acknowledged more. Now, not everyone is affectionate, touchy feely, smiley, romantic, delightful ect ect, not everyone knows how to express their desire to a partner and that can be taught (tips,advice and what not) but I also that think these has nothing to do with love, though often mistaken for it.
Interesting, the responses I mean. I don't know how to reply back really -- very insightful

I've been told that regardless to whatever he case may be, if you love someone, it should be unconditional and nothing should keep you from that person.

Nothing else should matter when love is involved ... only the person you intend on loving with all of your heart.

I'm not sure if that idealistic or may more realistic than I can see or what.
I think love is something you can feel, its more than sex or anything physical (kissing, grabbing or whatever). That being should, there is a willingness to ... I don't know, maybe work with that person towards goals -- both common and personal.

I don't believe love is necessarily about slowing down or shutting someone down. I'm not sure if feeling really strongly for someone means that you have to hold yourself back, for their sake.

Does love mean that all movement must stop -- I'm not sure, really.

I think if you are in love with someone, there should be room to grow and develope, for all movement to stop doesn't sit well with me.

Maybe thats why I created this thread.
No, it just happens
But you can learn more about the recipient, so that you know how to keep it strong
Posted by cappygolightly
It's a very deep & meaningful subject you've hit on Cappysweetie smile What inspired you to post?
I think most people can identify with the following definition of love so oft quoted during wedding sermons that it's almost become cliche :

"love is patient and kind, love is not jealous or boastful; it is not arrogant or rude. Love does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrong, but rejoices at the right. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
Love never ends; as for prophesies they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge it will pass away. For our knowledge is imperfect; but when the perfect comes, the imperfect will pass away. When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child; when I became a man I gave up my childish ways. For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall understand fully, even as I have been fully understood. So faith, hope, love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
" -Paul in I Corinthians 13

So my interpretation of this is that when all else is gone love is all we have left. Therefore love should be the most important thing in the world.


That's a nice quote Cappygolightly and I think it's really as simple as it reads. We are the ones who complicate things really. It think love is really as simple as that.
Posted by GreatBull
you can love someone, but you have to learn to love them right.



This is a true statement Greatbull
Posted by sagigoat
well everyone's love nature is different and yes it can be learned to love someone better but if your love nature is too different you are fundamentally incompatible it would be like trying to fit someone else teeth into your mouth it's painful and can be ugly :/.



oh yeah, tell me about it. You can't keep hitting something until it gives in. Greatbull said this once too ^_^.
Posted by cappygolightly
by the way I'm not talking about obssessive love, infatuation, etc but the sort of pure love that leads
to mutual respect, understanding, true emotional intimacy. If you don't have a good relationship with
yourself your relationships will be flawed because you will either project your insecurities with unreasonable behavior withold affection.


hmmm ....
Posted by sagigoat
i think i was talking about love nature compatibility in my earlier posts instead of how to love. i just believe that there are only a small amount of ppl we are innately compatible with and the rest to me there is no need to waste time to even try. the more we try to force something that is not meant to be the more jaded or damaged we get so it's a good thing to protect our innocence that's how one can remain pure at heart and love like a child always. atleast that's how i would like to be.




oh boy ...
sagtigoat and cappygolightly are true cap woman Big Grin

I'm not sure what I am ...
It's a very deep & meaningful subject you've hit on Cappysweetie What inspired you to post?
...My recent relationship and the reflections from it.


It is a learned behavior. You imitate the affection given to you by your primary caretakers.
What is it this guy said that made you worry about this?
Its complicated really. Actually, this is something that I've been pondering but then the Virguy kinda helped push these thoughts forward. I realize that things had sooooo much potential if he wasn't rigid and stagnate mixed in with controlling -- so early in the relationship too. Everything would be fine now if I would have agreed to listen and not question anything he said or wanted from me.
On the flip-side, I realize that my education is my top priority and that would annoy him to a point because I couldn't be at his side right when he wanted me to be. I like feeling and being protected but I like my freedom too -- I don't want to be kept in an Ivory Tower. I need to re
There are other things too but thats the jest of it all lol. He wanted a woman that would stop everything and focus all of her attention on him, I know that my attention is divided so I could not do that. He told me that he hates competing for attention, he looks for things to stop for him because he gives so much love.
haha, I know its hard to argue with that but I knew I couldn't keep all my attention on him. And that was the breaking point.

Its impossible to give yourself to someone completely when you are in totally different places in life.
But, this is what I've been thinking ...
If I wanted and needed that love, should I stopped some things and took it?
Its like I'm struggling with whats more important, love or my ambitions?

But at the sometime, was he REALLY offering love or did he just want someone he could control?

I don't know ...
i'm an aqua mooner like sweetie. i have sagi rising, venus in cap and mars pisces. i feel very watery when it comes to love. i think your chart ruler (e.g. i have sag rising so the chart ruler planet is Jupiter. my Jupiter is in scorp so the chart ruler is in scorp), eros and psyche are important in your love nature also.

Yep, Sagi has an Aqua moon like me ^_^. I'm all screwed up because I'm on a cusp with mine haha.
I have a moon in Aqua I, libra rising, venus in Aqua II and mars in Aqua-Pisces cusp -- I got my official chart done and it revealed with decan and cusps my plants were on.
Posted by cappygolightly
Not sure about astro stuff, but the aqua mooner I was with gave a lot more real love than many guys. I can't remember what SG's placements were but I think they are v different from mine (moon in virg, aries rising, venus in cap, mars libra). I'm musing on this because I've been thinking about the same things in relation to offloading baggage I've acquired over the years.



Oh yeah! We are capable of 'real' love, thats the problem ...
I will have to be blunt and say that that's not love - it's domination. He would have totally crushed your spirit had you stayed with him. What's his relationship history?
His longest relationship was 9 years. Before me, he went out with the woman who was maybe 2 years younger than me -- he said there was no real chemistry so thats why he didn't stay.
He says he is very picky because he is only attracted to all things that are beautiful in an artful sense. He calls himself an artist.
Posted by Archer
cappysweetie,
I dont think it is love as you have mentioned,,, but could it be that you are spreading yourself too thin and getting too tired in the process; work and study and house and all
because Virgos that I know, they are not ever so dominant or demanding to ask to stop something.. the closest I ever had was whenever I was out and I wondered abt some project or problem and he would remind me to leave it and BE WHERE YOU ARE ,, DO NOT DIVIDE YOURSELF TOO MUCH
I think he is insecure somehow,,, I bet you are a hottie and he does not really know how you feel for him,, he is sounding as if he is competeting for your attention and sulking like a baby.

I wonder if a little reassurance with out giving your stance away will make a difference or not?



Archer!!!! Big Grin You missed the story on this guy lol. Yeah, this guy was ... well, I don't know. You know, I felt no matter what angle there is, its all wrong. I'm not sure how to put it, but no matter what, I can't seem to win.


Shit! This has never EVER happen to me in a relationship before :O I've been able to figure things out. At this moment, nothing makes sense. I'm not even sure what it is I'm avoiding.
Thanks SG. I guess my questioning something he did at Christmas in a suspicious manner did not help, but at the end of the day friends said I did not seem happy or myself when with him so it was not right for me either. I'm mentioning him because he was in touch in the last week when he made a very touching, kind gesture, it made me think of him affectionately again, but I think I am now over him now.
I remember this! You said he did not spend enough time with you, right cappywench?
Posted by Archer
.... Big Grin ... yeah a little knowledge is dangerous.

you ll be out of this predicament, for sure.




I hope so ... as of right now, I'm the one who seems to think I'm single at the moment ............
That was in the beginning. We got back together after that and he was far more attentive. It was a trust issue that ended it for me. I still don't trust his motives or feel I can believe much of what he says. I didn't understand what he wanted out of a relationship or why he was in one. It seemed friendship was most important to him, that and trusting him totally unquestioningly.
hmmm, being a cap with alot of Aqua in my chart, I can totally see how friendship was important in a romantic relationship. However, I can seen how this sort of feeling can drive someone crazy too.
Yep, I see both sides
Posted by Ms.Pisces
He wants you to quit school so you can give him your complete attention? I'm confused.

If that is in fact the case, you know in your heart what the right thing to do is, Cappy.



Its a long story Ms.P ... very long trust. Its just when I speak about any academic, he totally not into it at all and he seems to be subdued. He even said that he agreed with me because he didn't know what else to say -- it was concerning my summer courses and what not.
When we were friends, we can talk about academics with no problem, but once we went towards the relationship, things really changed ...
If the subject wasn't about he and I then he didn't seem to want to discuss or he'd give me that, "Sounds about right" kind of deal. I'm like, what are you saying to mean, do you even know what I'm talking about?
Its just funny how a man that claimed to be sooooo into education (and was a bit of a show off at first lol) seemed to be disinterested in the same area HE said he would support me in.
Yep, I concour that, cappysweetie, was tricked royally. Good grief ... he probably pretended to be into education because he knew I would be his steady if he wasn't into it.
Does he still think he's in a relationship with you csweetie?
Its a long story cappygolightly ... he won't except it. He just won't and I've all thumbs. Seriously, I have always been able to get out of a relationship with NO problem. And I would answer questions (if there were any) later. There only one person that I had a difficult time getting away from and that was a cancer guy. A had a scorpio give me trouble once but I was able to give him the slip.
I've never experienced this before, its like everything I bring to him, he blocks it.

Soooo, yeah he does believe (in his mind) that we are still together. Never have I ever had problems getting out of a relationship until him.
Its almost like I know thats will explode at any given moment, but there's no way for me to disable the bomb Sad Sad Sad

You know what I mean?
except =accept


I'm thinking I need to do something to make him want to break up with me. Well, I actually tried doing that all last week and this week. Its no use, theres nothing that I do that makes him want to break up with me ...

We will be having another talk, face-to-face, this week. My emotions are getting too twisted and I don't like it.
Posted by sagigoat
"its like everything I bring to him, he blocks it."
"We will be having another talk, face-to-face, this week."
hmm... is there a way to have the let's-break-up-and-no-it's-no-joke-maybe-we-shoudn't-be-in-contact-for-a-while talk with the door half open? he sounds unusually possessive/aggressive with no regard whatsoever of your wish to break up. better safe than sorry.



lol, don't worry Sagi, I'm not scared of him. I don't care if he is bigger than me ^_^.
I'll figure out something, damn it!!! None of my breakups have been this difficult before :O Why in the heck is this sooo flipping different. I will have to ponder this -- theres a reason why this is different.
So you told him it was over and he has just ignored you?
Yeah ... thats a first. Thats never happened before.
Do you want to see him in person or has he made you feel obliged?
Both
Posted by Miss Priss
Wow Cappysweetie....he's in deep or he's scary sick. Maybe he can't except losing you and that's why he doesn't support the education part = young people...younger guys. I don't know but follow your heart now. I'm a virgo and I think we females are different than the virgo guys but I do know no matter how hard me and this cap try to let go....we just can't. smile No physical stuff and we've known each other for over a year and it's still there.
Can't speak for you so how does he make you feel? Write it all down here...what does he do and how does he make you feel....(maybe I'll learn something about the cap hahaha).
Also, Cappysweetie....what is it about the cancer that you had problems breaking up. I dated a cancer and I swear he had ovaries.....haha "How do you feel about me"...."Do you love me any"....knew him a short time and dang....but he moved on quickly thank God!



Thats the deal with Capricorn and Virgo relationships. If things blossom and turn out wonderful -- the sky is the limit. If things fall apart by the wayside, then you'll never reach the sky. I think these two signs -- once connected -- share something way underneath the surface and its hard when things turn for the worse. Its like, "Why does it have to be this way?" Neither sign really wants to admit that the other needs each other but its true, very true. And when things fall flat, its like losing something special, even if the timing is awfully, both sides know that its hard to be with the other ... but they would never EVER admit it.

hahaha, the whole thing with the gem-cancer cusp guy is a long story but basically, he didn't know what he wanted and I grew tired of waiting for him to makeup his mind. So, after some soul-searching, I realized that I was way better then some girl waiting for this guy makeup his mind. I do believe now, he's a better guy, but I would never want to be in a relationship with him ever again, he was way too emotionally draining lol
cappygolightly,
I found out what sign of the woman he was with for 9 years -- well, I found out before all the chaos started.
The woman he was suppose to marry was an Aquarius, a 3rd decan Aquarius actually. He also explained the reason why he choose to stay with her so long, even after the relationship fell apart -- he says he believes in dedication and once there is committment, he doesn't leave unless he has too.
My guess is that as soon as he had problems when it came to his job, that was the final deal breaker. So he may have been forced out of the relationship, although he was dixappointed in her behavior, he would have still stayed if she had not moved on with someone else. Its funny how she has moved on, but she doesn't like the fact that he was involved with me -- maybe it was the whole age thing (whatever).

Learning all of this gave more insight into why its hard for him to let go. Once he's with someone, its for life, regardless to what happens. I can see how that would drive an Aquarius nuts BUT I also know that she never ever worked and he provided everything. He also gave her everything that he had so she wouldn't try and keep his children away from him.
I guess thats why I felt alot of weight on my shoulders because I was carrying the emotional stuff he took with him from his last with the Aquarius.
Posted by cappygolightly
Yeah you definitely should not have to deal with that kind of baggage at your age. I guess even if she is with someone else, if she was with him for nine years and has kids with him then those kind of ties will make him a permanent presence in her life. One of my best friends lost her aqua ex husband prematurely last year. They had been divorced for years but had two kids together and the whole situation affected her all year. I mean she was with someone else at the time and the strain of the event (particularly the strain on the kids) pretty much contributed to a break up. I think once someone has an ex with shared kids you should proceed with caution because there is an unbreakable bond even if they hate each other. Plus you have the burden of having to deal with kids accepting you. My friend has constant problems if her kids don't like a partner. They may be accepting at first, but once they realise someone looks like they may be sticking around permanently they start to try to drive a wedge. It's caused my friend so much pain. It's far better to go for less complex situations and enjoy being carefree.


You are right cappygolightly, now you see why I was losing my mind over all of this. The only thing I didn't know was the woman's sign. However, although I knew about this going in, I wasn't aware of how freaking complexed everything was until after the fact. Boy oh boy, have I learned my lesson :/

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