Capricorn Men -- Mean to Animals?

This topic was created in the Capricorn forum by CapsRule on Thursday, March 14, 2013 and has 33 replies.
Since I haven't seen ANYTHING online about Cappy man's treatment of and relationship with critters, I think a
new thread here is in order.
Exhibit A is my dad. Growing up, my friends dubbed him "Pissed Off" and "The Sperm Donor." He was a
rageaholic, physically and emotionally abusing my mother, his 3 kids -- just about anything he could get his
hands on, including our dogs and cats. He even beat our German Shepherd with his belt. My sister and I had
to get up super early in the mornings before school to get the kittens out from under the car, becasue otherwise
he would back out over them. (We also owned equines, which he HATED because their size intimidated him and he
couldn't control them. Did he ever BOTHER to learn how to interact with them? NO!)
Since I haven't spoken with the asshole for 28 years, I had "forgotten" that he was a Cappy (born January 14th).
Suddenly, this morning, I "remembered."
My eye WAS on a Cappy guy, but his ubercontrolling ways are already surfacing (before our first date!), so I'm
rethinking it. With my moon in Cancer, I can't tolerate cruelty to animals.
So, what say ye? In your experience, how are Cappy guys with animals? I have never really dated a Cap man
before (only once, and that was very brief and many years ago). So by all means, please share your stories. smile
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People who abuse animals are sick and they usually turn out to be killers, particularly those who torture animals while they (the person) are young.
I do not think it is a Capricorn thing.
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Im sorry, but him whooping the dog with a belt is funny lol. No offense, but your dad sounds crazy, however, you should give him a call sometimes. Im not sure why us Cap girlies have strained relationships with our Cap fathers.
My mothers Cap ex loves his dog. He's the more serious Cap, probably because of his profession too, but if that dog died he'd most likely weep like a baby.
My dad never had any pets. He's a silly, goofy, unemotional Cap, but anyway I was out in Houston visiting and we were watching tv. I turned to that show where they capture abused pets and animals, forgot the name of it, and watched only because it was filmed in Houston. He watched about a good 10min before telling me to turn the channel. He was like "Nah, turn from this...I dont like watching stuff like that." That day I discovered he had feelings and that was like two yrs ago lol.
I dont think its a Cap thing.
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The cap guy I was dating loves animals. And could get mushy about baby animals.
He did work as a butcher in a feedlot when young,but I can tell he hated the experienced, perhaps maybe traumatized by it. He grew up working with cattle and breaking horses, so he couldn't develop a "soft" side.
But no way would he ever be cruel to animals for fun. Controlling is one thing. Cruelty is another. Cruelty is not a cap trait IMO
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Posted by capgirl69
People who abuse animals are sick and they usually turn out to be killers, particularly those who torture animals while they (the person) are young.
I do not think it is a Capricorn thing.



I agree. There have been loads of research on serial killers who have abused animals when they were still children,
ie, Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy:
http://voices.yahoo.com/the-link-between-animal-abuse-serial-killers-622128.html
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Like other people have already mentioned, I don't think this is Cap-related.
As a kid we had two cats (Persians) and a dog (Golden retriever). They actually brought a lot of fun to our little lives.
Doesn't mean that I didn't tease the cat sometimes.
The grey Persian was actually really badass. He teased the dog (from before I was born) and I fought with him.
Whenever he would walk the streets you could see other cats AND DOGS moving to the other side.
He would follow us at a distance whenever we walked the dog. Even learned to only cross the streets at the pedestrian crossings... didn't matter if it was a green light or not.Laughing
I remember this one time when he was following us in a field with high grass and a German Shepard saw him. He chased after the cat, trying to do... something. Then at some point the cat turned around, jumped on the dog's head after which we saw a German Shepard being chased by a grey tail until it ran towards it's boss.
He was not to be messed with. Tongue
I loved that cat, but like I said, I did fight with him too. Got three facial scars to prove it.
Sorry for that little derailment.
Most likely this is more of a case of an asshole being a Cap than Caps being assholes towards animals
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Posted by msmarilynmanson
Posted by lnana04
Im sorry, but him whooping the dog with a belt is funny lol. No offense, but your dad sounds crazy, however, you should give him a call sometimes. Im not sure why us Cap girlies have strained relationships with our Cap fathers.
My mothers Cap ex loves his dog. He's the more serious Cap, probably because of his profession too, but if that dog died he'd most likely weep like a baby.
My dad never had any pets. He's a silly, goofy, unemotional Cap, but anyway I was out in Houston visiting and we were watching tv. I turned to that show where they capture abused pets and animals, forgot the name of it, and watched only because it was filmed in Houston. He watched about a good 10min before telling me to turn the channel. He was like "Nah, turn from this...I dont like watching stuff like that." That day I discovered he had feelings and that was like two yrs ago lol.
I dont think its a Cap thing.


lnana. you think beating a dog with a belt that cant defend itself is funny? i heart u but me no likey.
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Me heart u too but me dont care what you no likey.
Im not a girl thats afraid of a belt. I grew up getting whoopings so im not going to even pretend this pulls a heart string. It simply does not. That dog could have bitten the s#it out of his leg, which is more than most kids can do. Also, I said whoop, not beat, which I didnt realize the OP said. Either way, the guy sounds crazy, which I hate to say that about your father OP.
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Posted by msmarilynmanson
my daddy taught me how to shoot a glock 9 mm handgun pistol. im not afraid to use it. *looks all animal abusers in the eye.



Amen, sister! That's EXACTLY how I feel about them. Animal abuse upsets me even more than abuse of children.
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Posted by lnana04
Posted by msmarilynmanson
Posted by lnana04
Im sorry, but him whooping the dog with a belt is funny lol. No offense, but your dad sounds crazy, however, you should give him a call sometimes. Im not sure why us Cap girlies have strained relationships with our Cap fathers.
My mothers Cap ex loves his dog. He's the more serious Cap, probably because of his profession too, but if that dog died he'd most likely weep like a baby.
My dad never had any pets. He's a silly, goofy, unemotional Cap, but anyway I was out in Houston visiting and we were watching tv. I turned to that show where they capture abused pets and animals, forgot the name of it, and watched only because it was filmed in Houston. He watched about a good 10min before telling me to turn the channel. He was like "Nah, turn from this...I dont like watching stuff like that." That day I discovered he had feelings and that was like two yrs ago lol.
I dont think its a Cap thing.


lnana. you think beating a dog with a belt that cant defend itself is funny? i heart u but me no likey.


Me heart u too but me dont care what you no likey.
Im not a girl thats afraid of a belt. I grew up getting whoopings so im not going to even pretend this pulls a heart string. It simply does not. That dog could have bitten the s#it out of his leg, which is more than most kids can do. Also, I said whoop, not beat, which I didnt realize the OP said. Either way, the guy sounds crazy, which I hate to say that about your father OP.

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No problem! I have known for YEARS that he's nuts, which is just one of the reasons I stay away from him.
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Posted by Gandalf
I am sorry but i would just like to beat him to a pulp. I hate people who abuse women and animals and did you say kids? coward. Throw him in the lions den.



As a kid, there were ongoing fantasy "tapes" playing in my head of my blowing his head off with one of his shotguns. (He was a champion skeet shooter.)
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Posted by 88
lol, it was good this was not posted on the pisces board. would probably make all the fishes cry. Sad
My aqua sis doesnt really like animals, but she is not mean. although I caught her spanking the dog once, lmao.
I stood up and kicked her in the ASS. and I said "now what you got? the puppy won't defend herself but I can".
I know this is about CAPS. caps I know love animals and are very patient even with the animals.




Thank you for that. It certainly describes me to a "T." In fact, I have a telepathic "rapport" with animals. But
I have a Cancer moon and some other "mushy" stuff in my chart.
In retrospect, it probably isn't really a Cap thing at all. I was taking the *CONTROLLING* nature of Cappy men -- a
facet of their personalities that seems pervasive -- and extrapolating it out to the next level, that of ABUSE. (I don't
think anyone here would argue that abusive people are not CONTROLLING in nature -- right?)
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Posted by ninjafish
Posted by lnana04
Im sorry, but him whooping the dog with a belt is funny lol.


WHAT THE FUCK
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That's my reaction as well.
I will never, ever forget the yelps of my poor Lady. It makes me cry even now, ~40 years later. (The entire neighborhood heard it too, but since my dad was a "bigshot" in the community, of course nothing was ever done about it.)
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Posted by ninjafish
Posted by lnana04
Im sorry, but him whooping the dog with a belt is funny lol.


WHAT THE FUCK
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Imo, a WTF moment is two Pisces I know that will go out of their way to run over and kill a dog in the road. Ive written about that before on the Pisces board when a similar thread was made.
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Posted by msmarilynmanson
Posted by ellessque
this thread frightens me.


i agree. this thread is really upsetting me. how can we make it go away elle? can it be flagged?
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Now, now, boys and girls. Let's not usher in censorship to block everything that some of us find "upsetting." Who wants
a sanitized forum?
Perhaps if something bothers you, it is best to not read it. Just a thought. smile
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Posted by CapsRule
Posted by msmarilynmanson
my daddy taught me how to shoot a glock 9 mm handgun pistol. im not afraid to use it. *looks all animal abusers in the eye.



Amen, sister! That's EXACTLY how I feel about them. Animal abuse upsets me even more than abuse of children.

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This makes absolutely no sense.
Of course neither should be abused, but come on.
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Posted by everevolvingepithet
Isn't that usually traits of a sociopath? Be cruel to animals so you can comfort them afterwards?



Yes, it is a sociopathic trait. And my dad is a sociopath.
I have never heard the "followup" to it (of comforting them later), though.
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Posted by lnana04
Posted by CapsRule
Posted by msmarilynmanson
my daddy taught me how to shoot a glock 9 mm handgun pistol. im not afraid to use it. *looks all animal abusers in the eye.



Amen, sister! That's EXACTLY how I feel about them. Animal abuse upsets me even more than abuse of children.



This makes absolutely no sense.
Of course neither should be abused, but come on.
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YOU "come on."
It doesn't have to "make sense" to you. I was explaining my PERSONAL EMOTIONAL REACTION to both situations.
I neither stated nor implied that child abuse was A-OK with me, so don't even go there. I merely stated that
abuse of animals induces a stronger visceral reaction in me than child abuse. That is a FACT. Both are
detestable and reprehensible. Perhaps childhood experience is a major factor, coupled with the reality that
animals CANNOT TALK to us and children can (even if later). In that sense, animals are more defenseless than
children.
Frankly, I find your "righteous indignation" interesting, especially in light of your prior comment that a
dog getting a "whooping" (your term, not mine!) with a belt is HUMOROUS to you.
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Posted by lnana04
Im sorry, but him whooping the dog with a belt is funny lol. No offense, but your dad sounds crazy, however, you should give him a call sometimes. Im not sure why us Cap girlies have strained relationships with our Cap fathers.
My mothers Cap ex loves his dog. He's the more serious Cap, probably because of his profession too, but if that dog died he'd most likely weep like a baby.
My dad never had any pets. He's a silly, goofy, unemotional Cap, but anyway I was out in Houston visiting and we were watching tv. I turned to that show where they capture abused pets and animals, forgot the name of it, and watched only because it was filmed in Houston. He watched about a good 10min before telling me to turn the channel. He was like "Nah, turn from this...I dont like watching stuff like that." That day I discovered he had feelings and that was like two yrs ago lol.
I dont think its a Cap thing.



Why in the world should I give a crazy person a call sometimes?
You don't know the man nor what he has done to me or my entire family. You only know what I chose to reveal in a post or two on this thread. So why are you giving unsolicited advice to me on that?
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Posted by CapsRule
Posted by lnana04
Posted by CapsRule
Posted by msmarilynmanson
my daddy taught me how to shoot a glock 9 mm handgun pistol. im not afraid to use it. *looks all animal abusers in the eye.



Amen, sister! That's EXACTLY how I feel about them. Animal abuse upsets me even more than abuse of children.



This makes absolutely no sense.
Of course neither should be abused, but come on.



YOU "come on."
It doesn't have to "make sense" to you. I was explaining my PERSONAL EMOTIONAL REACTION to both situations.
I neither stated nor implied that child abuse was A-OK with me, so don't even go there. I merely stated that
abuse of animals induces a stronger visceral reaction in me than child abuse. That is a FACT. Both are
detestable and reprehensible. Perhaps childhood experience is a major factor, coupled with the reality that
animals CANNOT TALK to us and children can (even if later). In that sense, animals are more defenseless than
children.
Frankly, I find your "righteous indignation" interesting, especially in light of your prior comment that a
dog getting a "whooping" (your term, not mine!) with a belt is HUMOROUS to you.
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Words I never used was "abuse" or "beat." A"whooping" is not abuse imo, and part of the reason it was funny to me was of how crazy your father was to even do that.
Still, Im not talking about abuse, never was. Abuse was your word, and I still dont understand how that gets a stronger reaction but whatever.
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Posted by CapsRule
Posted by lnana04
Im sorry, but him whooping the dog with a belt is funny lol. No offense, but your dad sounds crazy, however, you should give him a call sometimes. Im not sure why us Cap girlies have strained relationships with our Cap fathers.
My mothers Cap ex loves his dog. He's the more serious Cap, probably because of his profession too, but if that dog died he'd most likely weep like a baby.
My dad never had any pets. He's a silly, goofy, unemotional Cap, but anyway I was out in Houston visiting and we were watching tv. I turned to that show where they capture abused pets and animals, forgot the name of it, and watched only because it was filmed in Houston. He watched about a good 10min before telling me to turn the channel. He was like "Nah, turn from this...I dont like watching stuff like that." That day I discovered he had feelings and that was like two yrs ago lol.
I dont think its a Cap thing.



Why in the world should I give a crazy person a call sometimes?
You don't know the man nor what he has done to me or my entire family. You only know what I chose to reveal in a post or two on this thread. So why are you giving unsolicited advice to me on that?

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I gave advice because I can. Its not mandatory that you follow it.
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Posted by lnana04
Posted by CapsRule
Posted by lnana04
Posted by CapsRule
Posted by msmarilynmanson
my daddy taught me how to shoot a glock 9 mm handgun pistol. im not afraid to use it. *looks all animal abusers in the eye.



Amen, sister! That's EXACTLY how I feel about them. Animal abuse upsets me even more than abuse of children.



This makes absolutely no sense.
Of course neither should be abused, but come on.



YOU "come on."
It doesn't have to "make sense" to you. I was explaining my PERSONAL EMOTIONAL REACTION to both situations.
I neither stated nor implied that child abuse was A-OK with me, so don't even go there. I merely stated that
abuse of animals induces a stronger visceral reaction in me than child abuse. That is a FACT. Both are
detestable and reprehensible. Perhaps childhood experience is a major factor, coupled with the reality that
animals CANNOT TALK to us and children can (even if later). In that sense, animals are more defenseless than
children.
Frankly, I find your "righteous indignation" interesting, especially in light of your prior comment that a
dog getting a "whooping" (your term, not mine!) with a belt is HUMOROUS to you.


Words I never used was "abuse" or "beat." A"whooping" is not abuse imo, and part of the reason it was funny to me was of how crazy your father was to even do that.
Still, Im not talking about abuse, never was. Abuse was your word, and I still dont understand how that gets a stronger reaction but whatever.

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You are splitting hairs with the semantic game.
OK, why don't you tell us what exactly a "whooping" is? Is there a "kind, gentle" way to "whoop" an animal with a belt?
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Posted by lnana04
Posted by CapsRule
Posted by lnana04
Im sorry, but him whooping the dog with a belt is funny lol. No offense, but your dad sounds crazy, however, you should give him a call sometimes. Im not sure why us Cap girlies have strained relationships with our Cap fathers.
My mothers Cap ex loves his dog. He's the more serious Cap, probably because of his profession too, but if that dog died he'd most likely weep like a baby.
My dad never had any pets. He's a silly, goofy, unemotional Cap, but anyway I was out in Houston visiting and we were watching tv. I turned to that show where they capture abused pets and animals, forgot the name of it, and watched only because it was filmed in Houston. He watched about a good 10min before telling me to turn the channel. He was like "Nah, turn from this...I dont like watching stuff like that." That day I discovered he had feelings and that was like two yrs ago lol.
I dont think its a Cap thing.



Why in the world should I give a crazy person a call sometimes?
You don't know the man nor what he has done to me or my entire family. You only know what I chose to reveal in a post or two on this thread. So why are you giving unsolicited advice to me on that?



I gave advice because I can. Its not mandatory that you follow it.
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Damn straight, it isn't!
And if you had any brains you would refrain from dispensing it to others without asking QUESTIONS first, especially when you don't even know the person.
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Posted by Gandalf
Inana04 perhaps when you incarnate as a dog( I believe in reincarnation)and unable to defend yourself then perhaps someone should whoop with you with a belt as well. Perhaps i can help by "kicking" you on the street. Perhaps this can also be "amusing" to others? lol?


As long as I have teeth ill be good.
You and the person with the belt will find yourselves on the news.
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Posted by CapsRule
Posted by lnana04
Posted by CapsRule
Posted by lnana04
Im sorry, but him whooping the dog with a belt is funny lol. No offense, but your dad sounds crazy, however, you should give him a call sometimes. Im not sure why us Cap girlies have strained relationships with our Cap fathers.
My mothers Cap ex loves his dog. He's the more serious Cap, probably because of his profession too, but if that dog died he'd most likely weep like a baby.
My dad never had any pets. He's a silly, goofy, unemotional Cap, but anyway I was out in Houston visiting and we were watching tv. I turned to that show where they capture abused pets and animals, forgot the name of it, and watched only because it was filmed in Houston. He watched about a good 10min before telling me to turn the channel. He was like "Nah, turn from this...I dont like watching stuff like that." That day I discovered he had feelings and that was like two yrs ago lol.
I dont think its a Cap thing.



Why in the world should I give a crazy person a call sometimes?
You don't know the man nor what he has done to me or my entire family. You only know what I chose to reveal in a post or two on this thread. So why are you giving unsolicited advice to me on that?



I gave advice because I can. Its not mandatory that you follow it.



Damn straight, it isn't!
And if you had any brains you would refrain from dispensing it to others without asking QUESTIONS first, especially when you don't even know the person.
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I mean, in all honesty I dont care THAT much. I just gave the advice so you wont have any regrets if anything happens to him. You are more than welcome to ignore it though.
Theres a gentle way to do all things. Whoopings are used to discipline, not take out your anger or unleash your demons , which imo is abuse.
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Posted by Gandalf
Posted by lnana04
Posted by Gandalf
Inana04 perhaps when you incarnate as a dog( I believe in reincarnation)and unable to defend yourself then perhaps someone should whoop with you with a belt as well. Perhaps i can help by "kicking" you on the street. Perhaps this can also be "amusing" to others? lol?


As long as I have teeth ill be good.
You and the person with the belt will find yourselves on the news.


Thanks for the message. you still remain a idiot.
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Smooches to you too.
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All of you going hold no bar on Inana have probably never had a $ 2,000+ sofa/love seat ripped to shreds by a dog...
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Posted by size zero superhero
Posted by CapsRule
I neither stated nor implied that child abuse was A-OK with me, so don't even go there. I merely stated that
abuse of animals induces a stronger visceral reaction in me than child abuse. That is a FACT. Both are
detestable and reprehensible. Perhaps childhood experience is a major factor, coupled with the reality that
animals CANNOT TALK to us and children can (even if later). In that sense, animals are more defenseless than
children.


Agreed. Animals lack the capacity to understand the purpose of physical discipline, what the transgression was that prompted it, or how to avoid future beatings. An animal does not "learn their lesson" from whippings because they don't have the fundamental reasoning skills to draw a conclusion after the fact, unlike human children.


Isnt it taught to pet owners that they can discipline their pets by tapping them with rolled newspaper etc?
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But cruelty to animals is not a cap-thing, its a psychopath-thing
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Posted by AreTwoFour
All of you going hold no bar on Inana have probably never had a $ 2,000+ sofa/love seat ripped to shreds by a dog...


LoL, the only one bothering me in this thread is mmm with her indirect piggy back riding self smh.
My mother had 3 dogs that I helped take care of. No there was no whoppings with belts...I never even heard of that lol, but yes, there was some chewing of her $ 4000 bedroom furniture smh.
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Posted by lnana04
Im sorry, but him whooping the dog with a belt is funny lol.


WHAT THE FUCK
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Animal cruelty is not funny. Maybe a different image comes into your mind when you say 'whooping', but I don't like the image I got.
(Separate point) As others have stated, animals don't understand what they did was wrong. Even if you beat them or hit them they will only learn to be afraid of you. They don't have the same mental capacity as humans, obviously. So, if you're going to discipline an animal, there are better, more effective ways to do it than by instilling fear through physical pain. People who hit animals through anger are not trying to discipline, anyway. They are trying to take out their anger though negative ways, which the poor animal has to sit there and take.
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Posted by lnana04

Agreed. Animals lack the capacity to understand the purpose of physical discipline, what the transgression was that prompted it, or how to avoid future beatings. An animal does not "learn their lesson" from whippings because they don't have the fundamental reasoning skills to draw a conclusion after the fact, unlike human children.
Isnt it taught to pet owners that they can discipline their pets by tapping them with rolled newspaper etc?


IMO, smacking a dog with rolled newspaper isn't in the same ballpark as lashing the dog with a belt, kicking them, or throwing fists to teach them a lesson. The difference is, newspaper won't inflict fear and pain. Frankly I'm not sure how effective a copy of the daily news is for canine discipline, either...kinda skeptical on that one.
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Of course its not the same. Discipline and abuse are completely different, my thing is you said that they dont understand being "taught a lesson" so what is the point of any of it if thats the case?
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Posted by cowpuncher
Agreed M.
Guys, blowing Inana's comment up to be something it isn't does not help make your point about animal cruelty, it just turns tye thread into a mess. Most of you hang around this board some, and I am reasonably sure that you know Inana is not the devil.


Yes, we do know that, already.
I think we need the Dog Whisperer up here for some good tips. Hah. I used to watch his show. Little touches would help keep the dog in place. It's interesting how simple that is, in some cases.
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Posted by CapsRule
Posted by msmarilynmanson
my daddy taught me how to shoot a glock 9 mm handgun pistol. im not afraid to use it. *looks all animal abusers in the eye.



Amen, sister! That's EXACTLY how I feel about them. Animal abuse upsets me even more than abuse of children.

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I've always felt this way, too. Harm to children and the elderly are a close second, but nothing gets to me like animal abuse.
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