Manipulating cappies

This topic was created in the Capricorn forum by bittertaurus on Friday, June 9, 2006 and has 16 replies.
That's interesting!
When I was younger (between the ages of 13 and 17), my aunt (who is a Cancer) use to say that I was an ace manipulator ???? LOL, I was the "Ring Leader" according to her opinions jeeezzzzz! And you want to know that oddiest thing? She was the one who did most of the manipulating LOL!!! -- I didn[t find this out until I grew older. Oh my goodness I have soooo many stories about her ... she and I are really close now but it was utter chaos years ago.
I believe she classified me as being a manipulator because I have always used some form of logic to get myself out of unfavorable/ unpleasant situations. She alway thought I was extremely sneaky because I never liked causing trouble ... by any means. I'm not a fan of conflict, but she was a Drama Queen to her heart -- she always tried to get away with something. I was the opposite because I beleive in being straightforward with most of my intentions ... if I wanted privacy, I would just plead the 5th Winking
LOL!!!! She hated that with a passion, she hardly ever knew what I was thinking when I put my guard up Winking
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sb
u hav a lot of insight...but what I dont get is why do capricorns resort to manipulation and "using ppl" so much..at least they do it ten times more than any other sign..guess the reason they do that is because they have been studying ppl so much, that once they are aware of ur strong pts/weaknesses, they just know what to do to get their own way..but U got to hand it to them ..cappies are really xcllent at analysis and the art of "mind war"
cappysweetie
with ur cappy logic, u will always be one step ahead of ur aunt to get what u want..
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and i thought it was supposed to give tips on how to manipulate cappies =))
i am not sure though any zodiac can be pinpointed as manipulative... i think its a personal trait.. but one thing's for sure to be manipulative you have to understand others' feelings.. cappies i find are quiet emotional deep down and i guess that do make them good candidates .. but from my real life.. my best friend is a cappy.. and he was the one who got manipulated.. though he did use his cappy logic to eventually get out of it.. being logical is not the same as being manipulative...
besides being manipulative is not bad as long as you are the cat Winking
its interesting to see though most people in here tend to hardcode people's behavior with zodiac's sign.. they can at best be taken as a guide.. i do not find it very logical though to take them as hard and fast rule... one always have the power to change one's traits..
P.S. Sorry guys if i unintentionally made any rude/offensive comments should you find it that way.. its just my opinion
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piscean trait can't help Winking
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I don't believe Zodiac signs can determine individual personality. Yes sometimes they determine the correct traits but thats about it..The cappy I am dealing with and he is a dear friend..is just so hard up about his life..he poured his heart out to me about a day ago..My intuition told me that he's not lying whilst others led me to he is...he was quite honest and geniune cos it was very difficult for him by the sounds of things to say what he did..I personally think he would die of guilt if he ever used a friend.
Even for a minute if he thinks he's upset me, boom..there goes a phone call..and I just laugh and say its ok, honestly, I am not mad at you. He is always down about something..he thinks far too much, is ultra sensitive..He said he completly and utterly trusts me with everything and respects and admires me as an individual..He also said he loves to get my opinion on things because he truly values it..But because I have seen this term "I use" which seems to be associated astrologically to the Capricorn trait..I said to him "I hope you don't use my intuition and my opinion to your advantage, because you know what hun, you have to work things out for yourself"...and he was geniunly quite upset about this..So I don't know to what extent this term "I use" is true..
I am just like his saviour..I just lighten him up but that doesn't mean I tolerate anything from him and he knows that..
Everyone manipulates to some extent as pisces boy said..
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Hey SB
Yep true say!..thats why I think you should get to know someone first..He said to me that I can be judgemental at times, and I know I can be unintentionally..but he also said..who calls you all the time, who frets about it..not you but me!..and I do it cos I care..If I didn't care, I wouldn't give a shit about you..but you stir every emotion in me, anger, frustration, love, hate..and then at the end of the day, what it boils down to is that I care immensely for you..aww how fkn shweeet is that?..Now according to these boards..cappies aren't capable of that behaviour..well I beg to differ..If we stay friends..so be it..I adore him as a friend..and I know its reciprocated..
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The term associated with scorpios is "I desire"..and for me, its the desire to have a certain thing..which mostly is associated with shopping in my case!..I desire those boots..lol..but desire yes it can apply to people as well..but you wouldn't necessarily desire and attain..you have to be realistic too..
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Yes. According to my experiences, they try to manipulate but it never works. It ends up backfiring, I find it funny.
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"he was quite honest and geniune cos it was very difficult for him by the sounds of things to say what he did..I personally think he would die of guilt if he ever used a friend.
Even for a minute if he thinks he's upset me, boom..there goes a phone call..and I just laugh and say its ok, honestly, I am not mad at you. He is always down about something..he thinks far too much, is ultra sensitive"
missmorals
I am going off topic here but I gotta tell u something..u know by ur above statements u are still in the honeymoon phase of ur relation with the cappy..believe me those would hav been the exact same words that I would have used for my ex-cap when we were in the "good frens" phase of our relation..strangely when u are friends with a cap guy thats when they do all these super sweet things like :-
taking care that they never hurt u
saying the most soulful things to u and acting totally non chalant about it
always being at ur beck and call..
to the extent that u can scarcely believe that such guys ever exist..
As frens belive me they can be the best frens in the world.
But then caps are very emotional and super sensitive so if they feel wronged then u get to see their bad side which belive me..can be very very bad..thats when they start using u..but somhow they justify their actions to themselves by believing that they are doing the rite thing in the circumstances..
I am not trying to make a debate on the capricorn's bad qualities but its just tat I have been in a long and troublesome relation with a cappy man..and over a period of time its all become quite clear to me..
But yes, they do care a lot much mor than they show
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Maybe your right bittertaurus. I haven't ever been in a relationship with a cap so I couldn't tell you anything from that perspective. But thats all we are..good friends. Honeymoon period you say, what 8 months? He said all he needs right now is a good friend..I don't know at this stage whether it will develop any further..I think all he needs is a good friend..He's very lonely. He's not ready for a relationship he's told me that. He said he doesn't want to lose a terrific friend by risking anything further because if it doesn't work out then boom, there goes he friendship because you can't really be friends after that. Which is the truth. He said he neither expects me to or wants me to wait for anything further to develop..which I think is saying..there will be nothing further. Who knows..He's still beating himself up about his ex..thinking of all the things he could've done better and how he would've been a better boyfriend to her.
what happened between u guys? feel free to drop me a PM
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But I still think relationships are based on individuals..you can't let zodiac traits determine that..I am not saying you are..and I am sure somebody who's had experience with them and it didn't work out will focus on the negative side of the relationship to help them answer all those things left unanswered. Its human nature, we try to make ourselves feel better by trying to justify our/their actions..But there are also relationships with caps on these boards which have worked out superbly..given a little support, encouragement, friendship..so I truly think its down to the individual. so not all caps are the same..just as not all men are bastards..
there is one lesson I have learnt in life during the "growing up" phase..and that is not to accept multiple advice. Nobody on here could possibly know your situation. Yes pose a question, listen to the answers, analyse but at the end of the day, do what you think feels right..or is right..its your call.
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I don't think alot of people understand the true capacity of astrology - it's not ALL Caps that are manipulative - people have to understand that one Cap isn't going to be like the other - all signs have moon signs and venus signs and jupiter signs and mercury signs and mars signs - (if you can find out their birthdate and where they were born - you can go to astrolabe.com/freechart and get the lowdown on the kinda person they are really as an individual - Caps are analytical thinkers, they're workaholics (some more than others) they're benevolent (when they can be) and (usually) devoted - I could see that maybe he might have felt uncaring - that is a Cap trait - after all it does take alot for us to TRULY care and love someone - (I was w/ my ex for one and a half years and I held my heart the entire time) but you really should find out his moon(dark side)/venus(love sign)/mars(energy sign)/and mercury(communication sign) as well - cause I've met other Caps that I myself was nothing like @ all (clubbin and doing drugs and spending all their money in one weekend and giving themselves to anyone they could find worthwhile to them - stuff like that - my moon sign is a Virgo so w/ that on top of being a Cap I'm really rather reserved, devoted, analytical thinker, but @ the same time kind of a perfectionist, not minding helping others, stuff like that - I would just think of the situation as fate - it must've happened for some reason or another - maybe to find someone more compatible - maybe a Leo or Arian? smile Take care! smile
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"When I was younger (between the ages of 13 and 17), my aunt (who is a Cancer) use to say that I was an ace manipulator ???? LOL, I was the "Ring Leader" according to her opinions jeeezzzzz! And you want to know that oddiest thing? She was the one who did most of the manipulating LOL!!! "
cappysweetie... same exact situation with my step-mother. she is a cancer and believes me to be (at least when i was younger) VERY manipulative, and YES... SHE WAS THE ONE WHO IS A MANIPULATOR! i was never out to manipulate anyone. i really cant stand the idea of doing that. though sometimes i can be very persuasive, but thats usually when i believe im 'selling' a very good idea.
and yes, if i really want something, i'll work myself and whatever system i have to to get it. like finishing up 68 credits of school in a year and a half... worked myself, and the system hard. 20 to 21 credits a semester. it was a LOT of studying in a short period of time, so its a good thing i thoroughly enjoyed what i was studying. it was also a lot of careful planning, scheduling, meeting up with university advisors, department advisors, transcript/credit evaluators, and tons of pleading with professors to let me in their class that i needed. by my third semester, i knew more about my departments graduating requirements than my advisor did. all my friends said i was crazy, but damnit... i wanted to finish school in a year and a half! Tongue
...manipulation? thats one way of saying it. i just prefer to call it 'working it'. the school is a set of tools and materials and im just working the tools to put together the materials the way i want and need it.
i did read somewhere once... "Capricorn, when active in the chart, can bring compulsive behavior, and a drive to control people and situations. Taurus, Scorpio, and Cancer share these traits, but Capricorn synthesizes the strategies of the other three. Using the earthy determination of Taurus, the aggression of Scorpio, and the calculation of Cancer, Capricorn reaches the pinnacle in whatever it does, good, evil or in between. Capricorn and Scorpio are the two signs most likely to be controlling manipulators."
yesss... like sb said, like i know... only when we really want something.
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All the cappies I know r nothing close to being manipulative. The older cappies r definitly not users, cant say about the younger ones
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Bittertaurus - I'm guessing this is based on a personal experiance you've had with a Cap either recently or in the past - but I have to say that this is a biased opinion because when you say "these ppl really can do anything or everything to get what they want" - now granted - we are independent people - but what we do to get what we want is no walk in the park - now in my case - I am a leader at my job of my team - so it's expected of me to carry out this responsibility of guiding others and I may tell them what needs to be done but from there they can get it done however they want to - now when I'm not there - it seems that the guidance is lost and many of them end up confused as of to what to do by means of priority - which is usually by the end of the shift - alot of stuff doesn't get finished - now there may be caps that may be a little more charming in their ways of getting what they want - but the ones that I know personally including myself have it just as rough as everyone else - "and the best part is they dont care if they try the worst of methods to achieve their wants but if u try doing the same tactics they so look down on u" this I would have to disagree with as well because my tactics are used all the time and I don't look down on them @ all - I want to help people help themselves - and in most cases I am successful at that - now again - some people don't understand the logic of a Cap or their mindset for that matter - this is common with most signs - but this could also have to do with the way they communicate themselves - as I have said before - all signs are different and unique as well - there's some people I can relate to better than others - others I can't understand where they're coming from - I'm looking through alot of these replies and see that they all have the same idea - signs are unique in their character traits - if you look at a persons birth chart of one sign compared to another birth chart on a relative day of that same sign - you'll see that their personality aspects can vary from completely diverse to relatively compatible - the planets and the signs they inhabit can help describe (I believe its 12) major attributes of a person's personality - how they love, communicate, work, the energy level they're relative to, their moon sign - and by seeing this it's clear to realize that every sign is unique in their own way - now there are some telltale signs of a sign - but some of them could easily be explained by looking deeper.
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