Sometimes patience is cowardice in disguise

A character said this in a book I was reading and it made me go "hmmmmm". Then I started pondering on it and I can actually see how this could be the case at times.

They say caps are very patient people and yes, patience is a virtue.
But, could too much patience (like waiting YEARS on a promotion or a man to propose) be misguided and become cowardice if one is afraid to make a change?

Any thoughts?

Posted by truecap
A character said this in a book I was reading and it made me go "hmmmmm". Then I started pondering on it and I can actually see how this could be the case at times.

They say caps are very patient people and yes, patience is a virtue.
But, could too much patience (like waiting YEARS on a promotion or a man to propose) be misguided and become cowardice if one is afraid to make a change?

Any thoughts?

someone who is very fiery and needs change alot wrote this?

Patience is a virtue no matter what one says. But they do need some "fire" to light someone's life on fire.....

it's not the fault of the person with dominant stability in them, it's just that they need a push. And the authors who wrote that are indeed not very undertanding so in a way...they might be doing it to cause some kind of destruction and get people to "think" and act. Who knows.

Posted by truecap
A character said this in a book I was reading and it made me go "hmmmmm". Then I started pondering on it and I can actually see how this could be the case at times.

They say caps are very patient people and yes, patience is a virtue.
But, could too much patience (like waiting YEARS on a promotion or a man to propose) be misguided and become cowardice if one is afraid to make a change?

Any thoughts?

I believe that... too much patience is an excuse to do nothing about it, knowing full well what you were hoping for, eventually won't even matter. Lazy?

If you wait long enough everything changes...

My boyfriend always says I act patient but its just laziness because I don't want to deal with stuff.
So by going with the flow, I'm avoiding dealing with feelings and issues. Which he hates. Haha.

I have to agree but at the same time it's not worth it to me to deal with some things.

With him I make an extra effort to confront things head on, but with others it's still not worth it to me. Lol.

Posted by lisabethur8

Posted by truecap
A character said this in a book I was reading and it made me go "hmmmmm". Then I started pondering on it and I can actually see how this could be the case at times.

They say caps are very patient people and yes, patience is a virtue.
But, could too much patience (like waiting YEARS on a promotion or a man to propose) be misguided and become cowardice if one is afraid to make a change?

Any thoughts?

someone who is very fiery and needs change alot wrote this?

Patience is a virtue no matter what one says. But they do need some "fire" to light someone's life on fire.....

it's not the fault of the person with dominant stability in them, it's just that they need a push. And the authors who wrote that are indeed not very undertanding so in a way...they might be doing it to cause some kind of destruction and get people to "think" and act. Who knows.

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It was a character in a Nora Roberts book. lol!!! I just thought the phrase was an interesting thought.

Omg Nora Roberts?

I've read maybe one or two of her books. I found it them kind of boring. Not enough "oomph"

not like Anne Rice. ^_~

Posted by truecap
A character said this in a book I was reading and it made me go "hmmmmm". Then I started pondering on it and I can actually see how this could be the case at times.

They say caps are very patient people and yes, patience is a virtue.
But, could too much patience (like waiting YEARS on a promotion or a man to propose) be misguided and become cowardice if one is afraid to make a change?

Any thoughts?

I think "too much patience" is a sign of fear. Cowardice is when fear overrides your sense of right and wrong, making you unable to stand by your principles.

Patience is associated to Saturn (ruler of Capricorn), but so is fear. We can't really have one without the other.

Posted by CluelessCancer
I love Nora Roberts...she's amazing, but recently moved to super natural romance, and now i read and listen to real books...

lots of self help books

I just realised she's a double libra, and was comparing her to Anne rice, also a libra, but with a strong Mars energy. Forget what houses...
and Anne Rice's stuff is more dark and fantasy. So it's all personal taste. No offense to anyone's reading choices.

I mean if i liked Stephenie Meyer (Double cap) i'd probably get some hell. LOL j/k. I dont mind her writing, i believe it's UNIQUE.

Im glad she said sometimes lol.

But really, we wont act unless we are sure. Fear, cowardice, uncertainty, insecurity etc etc will keep us on pause. It makes sense, but so. Ive missed opportunities on job offers, love, relationships etc. I dont have any regrets though so its not something Id change personally.

if you are using patience as an excuse... than yea, i'd say so.

but if you are dying inside to act, and your shoulder angel, logic, or strategy is telling you to wait for it... then i'd say no. in that case, patience is indeed a virtue.

It's interesting to get everyone's thoughts. I had similar thoughts to all you. There were a lot of ways to go with that.

Let's say for example you and your s/o want to get married but he wants you to be patient. Years go by and still nothing. I suggest in this case to give yourself a time frame. I will be patient for 2 years (just a random number) and let him know. Or else, it could go on indefinitely. Someone gave me that advice years ago and it works well for most things where there is indecision and you need to be patient 😛

Nicro, you are way off here. This thread has nothing to do about my relationship, I just thought it was a general statement that I thought was worth pondering. It's an interesting concept on patience.

Not all threads are about my relationship, ya know.

If you equate patience with letting go of the outcome, then yes it is cowardice. But if you can burn with desire for something or someone, and know that patience is the only way to obtain it, never straying from your goal, then NO , patience can never be cowardice.

The scenario I actually was picturing when I first thought about this statement was working for a company where your boss keeps promising you a promotion. Then when that time comes, no one is promoted or someone else gets it and the boss says 'be patient, you'll be next'. But it never happens. Then you rock along a couple of years and you still haven't been promoted but you're afraid to leave the company. Leaving the company takes a chance in less pay, being the new person, less seniority, less familiarity. It also gives a chance of higher pay, more exciting job experiences, meeting new people and something new and challenging - but there's a fear in that, the unknown. So then wouldn't patience become an excuse for fear?

Posted by truecap
A character said this in a book I was reading and it made me go "hmmmmm". Then I started pondering on it and I can actually see how this could be the case at times.

They say caps are very patient people and yes, patience is a virtue.
But, could too much patience (like waiting YEARS on a promotion or a man to propose) be misguided and become cowardice if one is afraid to make a change?

Any thoughts?

In my opinion too much patients is a sign of contentment. You've accepted things as they are and will wait for life to dictate what will be. Sometimes that's a necessary approach, other times its the fear of the unknown.

So patience isn't cowardice.

But fear of change and taking action is.

I really like they way you guys all think and break things down. It was interesting to see the cap mind dissect and analyze and break apart the statement and come to basically what is a group concensus. Fascinating.

By the way, I agree with the concensus as well. Just wanted to see yalls throught processes.

Right now my perception of my Capricorn is that they are cowards.
It's not the patience.

They just disappear out of nowhere without a word. They'll ignore you for too long. That's not patience. It's running away.
It would be considered patience if they actually had a proper closure or have a PROPER conversation before disappearing.

This is my perception of Capricorns based on experience though. 🙂

Posted by CluelessCancer
I love Nora Roberts...she's amazing, but recently moved to super natural romance, and now i read and listen to real books...

lots of self help books

... And the applause is deafening.

But really, we wont act unless we are sure. Fear, cowardice, uncertainty, insecurity etc etc will keep us on pause. It makes sense, but so. Ive missed opportunities on job offers, love, relationships etc. I dont have any regrets though so its not something Id change personally.

True da~

I began talking to a cap man on line.. we hit it off, and he really is a sweetheart, very sensitive and caring. I am an aries.. zero patience.. null..lol.. i try. So, i am excited to see him. He is a little more about waiting, although. He says we will meet. He says things like hope less feel more. He say hes affraid of consenquences, getting hurt. Doesn't want to be a bad memory or losser from my past. Wants to stay friends forever, always be in my life. Tells me he likes me. I jus adore him and treasure his friendship. We talk, text, skype daily. Heres the hard part, hes in sweden, i am in states, thats not to big a deal, really, its very possible to meet. Another issue, well not for me, but hes muslim and i am christian. I dont know how much that could effect his thoughts. I guess, im wondering what to do. I mean, we are very close, but, him as a cap, do you think he would not take a relationship seriously, because of distance. I am like, go for it, lets do this! We can figure it out as we go. He might come to my town for reseacrh project at university.

Long distance relationships rarely last. Enjoy it while you can, but don't stop checking out people that are local to you.

My opinion is based on the fact that LDRs are just not realistic. I like my man to be around physically. Plus, eventually, if the relationship ever progresses, to be together, one of you will have to move to be closer to the other and that's a lot to ask of someone. Plus, it's a huge risk and once you get to know him in person, like really well to the point when all the facade goes away, are you even going to be compatible? It takes time to know someone. I need to know how they act in different scenarios, what their habits are, how they respond to life's challenges, etc. and you can only get that by spending a lot of time with someone. Anyone can fool you and put on an act for a short while, but it takes time in each other's company to really get to know someone. Besides, the religion aspect and cultural aspects are just way to different. Just my opinion.


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