The Secret to Handling a Cap Male?

This topic was created in the Capricorn forum by CapsRule on Sunday, May 19, 2013 and has 10 replies.
The Cap male I've been interested in has suddenly done a 180!
He was driving me nuts with his annoying "quirks" to the point that I was going to dump him Friday night. We went out to dinner, and I had the talk all planned in my head. But I couldn't do it! The reality is that we have this incredible chemistry, I LIKE him, and despite all of his "stuff" I still want to see him.
We had a wonderful dinner, and in fact he couldn't take his eyes off of me. After the vino, I did reveal to him that I do not like his "obstacle course, moat, etc." (barriers to emotional intimacy) that he has erected.
While driving me home, he learned (through probing; I certainly didn't volunteer any info) that I had to get home because I had a date with another guy on Saturday morning. OH MY GOD! His reaction was unbelievable (and incredibly CUTE!).
He is sooo freaking paranoid, LOL! The first thing he asked was, "Is DXX going to MARRY you?!" (He has made it clear that he will never, ever remarry.) Then he started asking all kinds of questions. He is jealous to the MAX (all the while INSISTING that he "doesn't get jealous").
Actually, there was another incident prior to this one that had him start coming around: On our second date I ran into a young cutie who has had the hots for me for a couple of months, and seeing our eye contact made him jealous. But this date that I had sent him over the top! He even CALLED me last night (he NEVER calls!). Of course, he asked me ALL KINDS OF PARANOID, JEALOUS questions about my date! (It was a GREAT date, wound up lasting 12+ hours!)
Long story short: I haven't dated enough Cap men to know if this is the "secret" to handling a Cap male, but for THIS Cap male having other guys in the picture has really straightened him up quick! I am LOVING it, as he is acting EXACTLY as he should have from Day One.
So, I hope this helps some of you out there. I keep reading the sad, confused posts of women involved with these guys, and I can totally relate to most of them. These guys are very DIFFERENT so somewhat "hard" to figure out. Maybe you should date other guys and figure out a way for him to "accidentally find out" about it? It just may help... (???)
Posted by cowpuncher
So you want him to totally let down his guard to YOU and be vulnerable to YOU, as you date other guys?
Good luck. lol



HE is the one who CHOSE not to be "vulnerable" (as you put it -- I prefer "open"). I have been open with HIM since the gate.
He knows I'm dating other guys; I haven't lied to him or kept anything from him.
All I know is he is suddenly appreciating me and is acting as he SHOULD HAVE from the get-go. So I'm happy!
Posted by M
Long story short: I haven't dated enough Cap men to know if this is the "secret" to handling a Cap male, but for THIS Cap male having other guys in the picture has really straightened him up quick! I am LOVING it, as he is acting EXACTLY as he should have from Day One.
It's not. Sounds closer to a guy's action/reaction thing than a Capism. Caps are possesive to a degree, but this scenario doesn't mix well.
So, I hope this helps some of you out there. I keep reading the sad, confused posts of women involved with these guys, and I can totally relate to most of them. These guys are very DIFFERENT so somewhat "hard" to figure out. Maybe you should date other guys and figure out a way for him to "accidentally find out" about it? It just may help... (???)
Advocating game playing has the highest risk of blowing up in their faces though. Some people are gifted in knowing where to push or grease the wheels but they are the exception, not the rule.
Most probably don't want to catch an uber paranoid/jealous Cap Either :p Avoid that type of Cap + a healthy dose of hard-to-get will go over so much better than trying to capitalize on jealousy. We'd probably be turned off by the latter and feel you are looking to play fast and loose :p



I don't see this as a game at all. For one thing, I've been completely honest with him. We have no exclusivity understanding whatsoever, and in fact I thought he was dating other women as well (he says that he isn't).
He isn't possessive by any stretch. (I differentiate between "jealousy" and "possessiveness;" I am jealous WHEN I CARE
but am NOT possessive).
But, you raise a good point about the broad mix of Cap men out there. Some may act unpredictably to this situation.
BTW, I am LMAO at the negative reactions from the Cap men on here! smile You guys DO NOT LIKE this post/thread -- for OBVIOUS reasons.
[quote]He isn't possessive by any stretch. (I differentiate between "jealousy" and "possessiveness;" I am jealous WHEN I CARE
but am NOT possessive).[/quote]
Yup, very recognisable. I do get jealous, even though I don't want to. I will not however get possesive all that fast. If the girl wants to test me or play with me then by all means go ahead. I will DEFINITELY feel pangs of jealousy if I see her talking, dancing or kissing with another guy. I will not however be played like that. Go ahead and play, I will find someone else. Besides, if she isn't strong enough to take care of herself without me then she is also not someone I am interested in.
Other than that; show me that you are part of a game, a competition I can win, but don't try to play me. If i ever realize you did you have a pissed/cold Tigercap on your hands.
You got lucky that it happened and he responded like should. But please dont make it part of your strategy.
Posted by pinkkk
Why do you date other guys if you like cap? What made you decide to date other people while dating him even though he said he is not dating anyone else?
From what I understand, cap men are competitive so it may be that he is acting the way you want because he wants to 'win', but then when he has you he may remember at some point that you were dating other guys at the same time and get worried you didnt like him enough not to exclusively date him or question your loyalty and then be distant again.
His change in behaviour may not be permanent and just a result of his competitiveness. Also the fact that he told you he wasn't dating other people means he probably wasnt and may really really like you but shy which you interpreted as cold.




I understand why are you asking that, but that's not how it played out:
He took a woman to a party, and then had a hiking date with a second woman. Since we had only gone out once (and twice) at that point, naturally I assumed that he was dating other women. It turns out that I was wrong and that he was not. (He took a female acquaintance to the party, and the hiking "date" was an older woman who was bringing her son with her, LOL.) But we just got that straight on Friday night. Meanwhile, I have been out with a whopping ONE other guy (the date Saturday).
We are going to discuss everything Friday night -- HIS idea.
While you may be correct (his change may be temp rather than perm), the perspective from which you are coming is interesting to say the least. Frankly, it sounds insecure and rather codependent. Sorry, I am not trying to offend (based on your posts, you seem like a very nice person) but that's what I'm getting. I am coming from a position of confidence and assertiveness and am NOT altering that one iota: in fact, NOTHING for me changes until we have our talk on Friday. smile
Posted by cowpuncher
I think you are taking my comment out of context. For one thing, unless you've made a commitment, you do NOT have a commitment. See other people as you see fit and that's your business, I do the very same thing until I am ready to commit to somebody, and expect them to do the same.
However, I think you're going to find there are limits to how much that guy is willing to open up to you until you are both exclusive. Maybe those limits will acceptable to you and maybe they will not, but limts - I promise you - there will be, until there's some commitment and trust there.
Anything beyond that you are seeing in my comment didn't come from me, so maybe it would be productive to think about where that came from?
Again - If you want him to totally open up to you, while you are seeing other people... good luck. Maybe it could happen, but beyond some limits you are probably not going to like... I doubt it.



This is the Internet, and text posts have obvious limitations. You ended your post on what I perceived as a sarcastic note ("Good luck with that, LOL.") Since I don't know you, I only have words on the screen to go by.
Communication is a two-way street. I will accept the responsibility for my portion. However, the onus of clear communication always falls on the transmitter, not the receiver. Perhaps it would behoove you to word your messages more carefully in the future.
Posted by TigerCap
[quote]He isn't possessive by any stretch. (I differentiate between "jealousy" and "possessiveness;" I am jealous WHEN I CARE
but am NOT possessive).[/quote]
Yup, very recognisable. I do get jealous, even though I don't want to. I will not however get possesive all that fast. If the girl wants to test me or play with me then by all means go ahead. I will DEFINITELY feel pangs of jealousy if I see her talking, dancing or kissing with another guy. I will not however be played like that. Go ahead and play, I will find someone else. Besides, if she isn't strong enough to take care of herself without me then she is also not someone I am interested in.
Other than that; show me that you are part of a game, a competition I can win, but don't try to play me. If i ever realize you did you have a pissed/cold Tigercap on your hands.
You got lucky that it happened and he responded like should. But please dont make it part of your strategy.



I don't have a strategy. I take each person and their situation as they are (hence no baggage) and try to roll with it, taking things as they come.
Running into the young guy was serendipitous, and frankly there is no way IF I had planned it that it could have unfolded more perfectly! It just happened. This other date was revealed after vigorous, tenacious probing by HIM. I have done nothing to throw anything in anyone's face; frankly, I find that behavior rude, insensitive, and reprehensible.
RE jealousy, we sound very much alike. Not too surprising: We are the same critter. I am a triple water Tiger as well as a Cap. smile
Posted by twinklebluetoes
His Moon and Venus sign will be more important than his sun sign.
But in general, Capricorns don't like insincerity and your actions might have come across as insincere. You could have called him on his shit and simply not brought another person into the equation.
He might have acted jealous but Capricorns are very slow to make decisions. He will ponder this later and might come to a completely different conclusion than "I want to be exclusive with her", he could just simply think that it's not worth putting more effort into you. They are very practical and when something rocks the boat too much and leaves them in a position to get hurt, they often would rather just let it go.
Of course it depends on his chart, like I said.



"You could have called him on his shit and simply not brought another person into the equation."
You need to reread my post.
HE extracted that info from my after a long, tenacious "interrogation." He wasn't going to let go of it, so finally I broke down and told him.
My gut tells me that he KNOWS how I feel about him, so I seriously don't think he will feel like he's in a position to get hurt. In fact, all the evidence suggests that he is starting to "get" that I am different from the other women he has dated and that he can bring some of those walls down (or at least compromise them). smile
Posted by M
I don't see this as a game at all. For one thing, I've been completely honest with him. We have no exclusivity understanding whatsoever, and in fact I thought he was dating other women as well (he says that he isn't).
My focus was your advocating others to play them. I'm not so much vested in your comings and goings.
He isn't possessive by any stretch. (I differentiate between "jealousy" and "possessiveness;" I am jealous WHEN I CARE
but am NOT possessive).

I made that distinction as well, and said that trying to exploit our propensity to be possessive was not the way to go. And did so not focusing on what someone else should walk away with...see above.
But, you raise a good point about the broad mix of Cap men out there. Some may act unpredictably to this situation.
Most won??t go for that. You have a guy with a personality type and a sign with certain characteristics??_but given the scenario it??s not a great cross reference to pass on to others. It??s not a case of : ???he is a Cap therefore??_?? even if outwardly scenarios run similar. Like Pinkk said with competitive which ties in with what I was saying about even if it did work for someone it only lasts as long as the manipulation does.
BTW, I am LMAO at the negative reactions from the Cap men on here! You guys DO NOT LIKE this post/thread -- for OBVIOUS reasons.
There??s a reason for the negative reception but you can??t see the real one because you??ve already decided on one. Then to follow it up by putting it on us??_ makes me think you??ve been adding things up wrong and aren't a very good listener. Consensus on this may vary, but is pointed in the same direction.



There's nothing wrong with my listening skills. I am simply GIDDY after one of the best weekends I have ever had! So forgive me if I missed a nuance of your droll post.
As for your claim that you made the distinction between jealousy and possessiveness in your post, THIS is what you wrote:
"It's not. Sounds closer to a guy's action/reaction thing than a Capism. Caps are possesive to a degree, but this scenario doesn't mix well."
YOU brought up possessiveness; I never did. He displayed JEALOUSY, NOT POSSESSIVENESS. Evidently, you do NOT know the difference and merely (lamely) attempted to save face, ergo you have committed intellectual di
Posted by Caplove
You guys, she didn't make him jealous on purpose, he did that himself. It just happened. Yes, it was unfortunate but she did not plan it like that.
Anyone who plays games with people (not just Capricorns) won't get far, and I think the people that come here are smart enough to know this on their own. It will backfire. Everyone just has to be themselves and what happens happens.
She is confident and assertive and put her foot down on his bad behavior on an earlier post. Every woman and man is not the same. Not all Caps are the same. If a woman is willing to say "see ya buddy," and not think twice about it, then she gets rid of the commitment-phobic/never were interested men really fast before anyone gets attached OR he realizes that he needs to shape up if he wants to win her heart.
A woman has the power to say "no, that's not going to work for me, your behavior is rude.. there's the door and don't let it hit you on your way out," and be willing to happily walk away. There is nothing wrong with having standards.
If a woman doesn't make the guy her everything and lets him know she has a life of her own, he'll realize that he has to actually work for her and behave like a proper gentleman should. If he's not up for it, then he'll leave, plain and simple. That's the process, he weeds himself out and does her a big favor.
So what if she's dating other people? They are not even in a committed relationship yet. They've only been on a few dates. If he wants that, then he needs to step up to the plate and work for it like the man he is, plain and simple.






Good insights.
So, he did take someone else to that party in the beginning. That does set you guys up on the wrong foot. It made you feel insecure from the get-go because he mentioned the party to you and then removed the offer. That in retrospect seems like an intentional setting-up of insecurity on his part. That would piss-me-off. Red flag. Does he want to see how insecure you are?
There's definitely a difference between jealousy and possessiveness that others have touched on here. Jealousy arises whether you want it to or not, and I had someone recently tell me that they think jealousy can be part of a healthy relaitonship. It's all in how you react to the emotion of jealousy.
Possessiveness is when someone tries to remove choice from your life without c

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