Marilyn Monroe

This topic was created in the Gemini forum by LunarMaiden on Saturday, May 25, 2013 and has 19 replies.
In honor of Gem season I was going to do a Favorite Gem thread but I've decided she needs a thread of her own.
What do you guys think of her?
Suicide or murder?
Marilyn Monroe


I think she held a magnetism very few actresses posses today.
I also think she was a very intelligent person underneath the sultry image.
According to IMDB:


Her personal library contained over 400 books on topics ranging from art to history, psychology, philosophy, literature, religion, poetry, and gardening. Many of the volumes, auctioned in 1999, bore her pencil notations in the margins.
Although she was an avid buyer of books and owned over 400 of them at her death, third husband Arthur Miller said, "Aside from Colette's Cheri and a few short stories, I had never known her to read anything all the way through. She felt she could get the idea of a book, and often did, in just a few pages.".
Was close friends with singer Ella Fitzgerald and helped her rise in her musical career by arranging for her to sing in many upscale nightclubs some of which were segregated during the time of their friendship.
Read and wrote poetry. Her favorite poets were Walt Whitman and John Keats.
Monroe was a stutterer, a little known fact that was easily covered thanks to studio vocal coaches who provided her with dictation lessons.
Learned to play the guitar for her role in River of No Return (1954) and the ukulele for her role in Some Like It Hot (1959).
Was originally set to play Holly Golightly in Breakfast at Tiffany's (1961), but Audrey Hepburn played the role instead.
Was in consideration for the part of Adelaide in Guys and Dolls (1955), but Vivian Blaine was cast instead.



Whenever I mention Marilyn Monroe's name people tend to call her a whore.
I actually don't feel comfortable describing her that way.
Here is her last interview, she is very insightful in this interview. Such a sad end to a promising actress.
I think she would have gone on to win an Oscar one day, based on work in Bus Stop and Misfits.
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Thank you Tiz for responding. I understand what you mean by not trusting anyone created an image after Marilyn Monroe. It's overdone, the market is saturated with clones. It's kind of cartoonish now. I don't even watch films about her, the actress is always never right. Madonna is one of a few modern celebrities who successfully started her career projecting MM's image. Gwen Stephani has an image that is a combination of Madonna and Marilyn. I can't think of any others.
Where do you think that ethereal and haunting presence came from Purr?
Painful childhood?
Usually the most profound personalities have suffered greatly early on.
She had some serious mental illness, cool chick tho
I'm more of a Natalie Wood fan, and I've even had people tell me I look a little bit like her (Natalie Wood).
I empathize very strongly with Marilyn Monroe, though. I *get* her.
I just think other Geminis don't hold the same sense of fascination for me since we're both Geminis? Plus she and I were born in the same decan and everything, I think her birthday was the day before mine.
I think it was suicide.
Posted by geminicandle
As for murder or suicide, I really don't know but considering Kennedy was murdered as well...it's kinda eerie coincidence or is it?


I don't really see how the Kennedy's would have had her murdered just for being a mistress, they had so many.
There would have been women all over the world dropping like flys.
Posted by Marmotini
I'm more of a Natalie Wood fan, and I've even had people tell me I look a little bit like her (Natalie Wood).
I empathize very strongly with Marilyn Monroe, though. I *get* her.
I just think other Geminis don't hold the same sense of fascination for me since we're both Geminis? Plus she and I were born in the same decan and everything, I think her birthday was the day before mine.
I think it was suicide.


I love Natalie Wood. One of my favorites.
Betty Davis is actually my favorite.
I may play one of her films tonight.
The one where she shows up in a red dress when it's an all white ball.
Sorry not the day before. She's the 1st I'm the 4th.
I have the same birthday of Angelina Jolie. She's older than me though.
I feel the same way about Angelina Jolie as I do about Marilyn Monroe. I mean I get it, but she isn't someone who preoccupies me excessively, I'm not sure she has the effect on me she has on some people, she actually gets on my nerves more and more, the more I learn about her.
I dunno men loved her for the wrong reasons (sex object) and I don't think she ever felt she found true love and I think she was actually distraught about not being able to have kids (apparently she physically could not, it wasn't just that she chose not to, and back in the 60's that was a lot more depressing to women I think than it is now, where there's all these fertility treatments, or she could just adopt and no one would judge her like they would back then).
That's why I think suicide was very plausible. She was an intelligent sensitive person but I think she wanted something more substantial from her life.
The only grounds I possibly see for murder from the Kennedys is if she was so in love with JFK that she was becoming hysterical and making herself a nuisance (possible, most Geminis seem to be crazy or inappropriate in some way) ...but I don't think she was murdered as part of a huge conspiracy, I've always thought that was kind of dumb.
Kennedy was assassinated for his extremely liberal political views.
Posted by geminicandle
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This song really makes me miss the 80's.
Posted by geminicandle
I like Angie, she has a good heart and she loves to travel, learn about other people and their culture, etc...
She is better than some Hollywood A-listers or even politicans who don't know where freaking Russia is, lol!


Yeah I get it, like I said, she's a citizen of the world and all that, I relate to her ....I just thought she was a lot cooler 10 years ago.
Now I'm just kind of annoyed with all her anorexic control freak over-adopting drama, I think she adopts children like an animal hoarder, I find it a bit "off" even if she has all that money.
I really liked her back in the day when she did Gia, and Girl, Interrupted. Now she's just this tabloid celebrity, that kind of thing ALWAYS bugs me.
Posted by geminicandle
Posted by Marmotini
I dunno men loved her for the wrong reasons (sex object) and I don't think she ever felt she found true love and I think she was actually distraught about not being able to have kids (apparently she physically could not, it wasn't just that she chose not to, and back in the 60's that was a lot more depressing to women I think than it is now, where there's all these fertility treatments, or she could just adopt and no one would judge her like they would back then).
That's why I think suicide was very plausible. She was an intelligent sensitive person but I think she wanted something more substantial from her life.
The only grounds I possibly see for murder from the Kennedys is if she was so in love with JFK that she was becoming hysterical and making herself a nuisance (possible, most Geminis seem to be crazy or inappropriate in some way) ...but I don't think she was murdered as part of a huge conspiracy, I've always thought that was kind of dumb.
Kennedy was assassinated for his extremely liberal political views.


I wonder where her Venus is...I can see myself being upset if I never had any children, because I truly love them. But then again, my Venus is in the sign of motherhood (Cancer).
She died so young, at the peak of her beauty, youth and fame. Many stars died way too young.
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She was only 36 and clearly very attractive. She still could have found what she was looking for, you know, used her money and her fame to go down a different path that was less superficial, and maybe meet a man who loved her for her mind and her heart instead of just her sex symbol status and body.
I saw what you said about Kennedy not killing her, but what if someone else in the clan killed her or payed to have her killed if she was becoming a nuisance? If she was in love with him, and a little too obvious about it, even if he wouldn't have killed her, what if someone powerful in the family (his mother, his wife) was so bothered by her presence that they had her killed?
He doesn't strike me as the kind of man who would have killed her himself, or had her killed. Too callous, too uncaring. Kennedy liked too many women but he doesn't strike me as a heartless person.
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I've always been more of an animal lover (like I literally feel physical pain at the idea of someone hurting a furry defenseless mammal and am now mostly vegetarian except for some fish) ...but I understand how important children are to some women. I can't see killing myself over it, but I can see a woman with a different mindset doing it.
Like I can even see her having thoughts like "oh great I'm a sex object and yet I can't even use my sexuality to have a family, which is what I really want" and just feeling hopeless about it, especially if she was already depressed, and maybe in love with a married man (Kennedy)?
That's why I think suicide is plausible.

Posted by geminicandle
Marmotini,
that definitely sounds plausible...I mean even at this day and age (50 years later after her death), some people still consider that a woman's life ends after 35, even after 30 and if she didn't have children? It's like she did not accomplish anything in her life, as if her sole role in this life and society was to bear children. We still very much live in a male-driven, patriarchal and even chauvinistic, misogynist society.
Maybe with her fading youth and beauty, she saw no reason anymore to live. Kinda like dying young and leaving a beautiful corpse behind, sounds James Dean-ish. Morbid in a sense...
If she was truly in love with such a charming man as Kennedy who was already married and wasn't divorcing, wasn't gonna have a family with MM, I guess I could see her doing it. Plus, wasn't she on a lot of rx drugs as well as drank? Maybe it pushed her over the edge.
But it's so bizzarre that he died too, you know?
Were they both cursed or what?


Yeah the pills and booze would be enough to drive a depressed person over the edge, especially if they were already prone to something from either things that happened to them in childhood, or an actual chemical imbalance.
In 2013 it seems totally absurd to me to think of a 36 year old woman who was that good looking to think her life was over, but people did think differently then, and because of her addiction problems, this probably also clouded her judgment.
I don't know if they were cursed, I do know they lived in very turbulent times politically, which is why I think Kennedy was killed. Maybe they were cursed. What were their astrological placements, ha ha.
RIP Blond Bombshell
Posted by Marmotini
I dunno men loved her for the wrong reasons (sex object) and I don't think she ever felt she found true love and I think she was actually distraught about not being able to have kids (apparently she physically could not, it wasn't just that she chose not to, and back in the 60's that was a lot more depressing to women I think than it is now, where there's all these fertility treatments, or she could just adopt and no one would judge her like they would back then).
That's why I think suicide was very plausible. She was an intelligent sensitive person but I think she wanted something more substantial from her life.
The only grounds I possibly see for murder from the Kennedys is if she was so in love with JFK that she was becoming hysterical and making herself a nuisance (possible, most Geminis seem to be crazy or inappropriate in some way) ...but I don't think she was murdered as part of a huge conspiracy, I've always thought that was kind of dumb.
Kennedy was assassinated for his extremely liberal political views.


I remember a quote from her where she said men were disappointed in her sexually when didn't live up to the vixen image.
So do you think Joe Demagio loved her for the right reasons?

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