Vegans raising children
This topic was created in the Health forum by brianafay on Sunday, May 19, 2019 and has 32 replies.
Firstly, I have nothing against veganism. It in no way effects my life. My own sister is vegan and I am respectful of her choice and am always accommodating when sharing meals with her.
But there’s been something kind of bothering me lately...I have a family friend who is also vegan and had her first baby right around the same time I did.
She was observing a vegan diet while pregnant too and I can’t help but think this is why her baby has formula/food allergies and a whole host of other digestive issues...
Now the baby is starting solids soon and I know she won’t be introducing her to non-vegan foods which research shows are crucial to healthy child development.
I just worry about the long term effects of starting out a child’s life on such a restricted diet.
And regardless anyone’s feelings or argument for veganism...she has no choice in the matter. Why not let her choose when she’s able?
What are your thoughts on raising children vegan?
But there’s been something kind of bothering me lately...I have a family friend who is also vegan and had her first baby right around the same time I did.
She was observing a vegan diet while pregnant too and I can’t help but think this is why her baby has formula/food allergies and a whole host of other digestive issues...
Now the baby is starting solids soon and I know she won’t be introducing her to non-vegan foods which research shows are crucial to healthy child development.
I just worry about the long term effects of starting out a child’s life on such a restricted diet.
And regardless anyone’s feelings or argument for veganism...she has no choice in the matter. Why not let her choose when she’s able?
What are your thoughts on raising children vegan?
And as I write this there’s controversy about Megan Markle wanting to raise their baby vegan
I swear I did not know this before I posted
I swear I did not know this before I posted
I just think it’s hard enough for adults to get the nutrients they need from plants only...how do expect an infant to?
Example: yes, spinach and kale contain iron...but how much do you need to eat to get the amount of iron you would get from a piece of chicken? Which is realistically easier to get a child to eat?
Example: yes, spinach and kale contain iron...but how much do you need to eat to get the amount of iron you would get from a piece of chicken? Which is realistically easier to get a child to eat?
Some people in life need to experience the consequences the long way before it finally clicks in their head that they’re morons
Mmm I'm sure there's not enough research to even make a guess on WTF could happen, but babies require fewer nutrients as a whole in comparison to an adult, smaller bodies, smaller portion, still hard to guess.
but their bodies need to develop gut bacteria and some antibodies, if they're not exposed to some shit, they wont be fully functional when they grow up.
but their bodies need to develop gut bacteria and some antibodies, if they're not exposed to some shit, they wont be fully functional when they grow up.
JFC😡
Why people have to inflict their views onto their children is beyond me.....so their healthy views killed their baby.....disgusting...
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wjqbem/judge-convicts-parents-after-baby-dies-from-vegan-diet
Why people have to inflict their views onto their children is beyond me.....so their healthy views killed their baby.....disgusting...
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wjqbem/judge-convicts-parents-after-baby-dies-from-vegan-diet
I used to be a vegetarian but would never inflict my eating choices on our son, it's just selfish
An 11 month old baby died due to a severe lack of vitamin B12 caused by the vegan mother breastfeeding
https://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/baby-breastfed-by-vegan-mother-dies/
https://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/baby-breastfed-by-vegan-mother-dies/
See that’s what my concern is
I really try not to judge Mothers as I am a new mom myself and I know it’s not easy but I feel like it’s just irresponsible
I really try not to judge Mothers as I am a new mom myself and I know it’s not easy but I feel like it’s just irresponsible
You’re pretty much making a life long decision for the child because if for the first however many years of their life they are never exposed to animal products, they are not going to be able to tolerate them later should they choose to
Just a bs excuse carnists like to use against vegans....🙄
Posted by brianafayI agree. You're not being judgemental ... you're being a responsible and loving parent...
See that’s what my concern is
I really try not to judge Mothers as I am a new mom myself and I know it’s not easy but I feel like it’s just irresponsible
If you want to be a vegan, vegetarian, smoke, drink, do drugs....knock yourself out, but when you get pregnant the whole story changes
Posted by TheRabbit
In two generations, the US will be like Japan.
Vegan/Soy raised kids with messed up endocrine systems who have no desire to work or even interact with the opposite sex...just sit at home and play video games. The economy will stagnate and social services will be cut because there won't be enough births to replace people as they die off.
Oh well.
It’s sad
But nature always finds a way to cleanse I guess
yeah i have some friends who grew up vegan...
super frail and sickly for people in their twenties.
i think aside from breast feeding which is necessary it may be possible to raise your kid vegan and healthy....but also extremely hard
you'd have to be wealthy/have resources and be extremely meticulously to make sure they are eating enough of everything to get essential nutrients for none and muscle development mostly ( protein calcium and vitamin B is usually what a lot of vegans lack who aren't really on it about managing their diet and trying to make sure they get suggested servings of specific vitamins
super frail and sickly for people in their twenties.
i think aside from breast feeding which is necessary it may be possible to raise your kid vegan and healthy....but also extremely hard
you'd have to be wealthy/have resources and be extremely meticulously to make sure they are eating enough of everything to get essential nutrients for none and muscle development mostly ( protein calcium and vitamin B is usually what a lot of vegans lack who aren't really on it about managing their diet and trying to make sure they get suggested servings of specific vitamins
Would I raise my child vegan since I eat in this way?....
Well first... I don't really understand why some
vegan parents wouldn't want their child to drink
their own breast milk? That's the babies natural
food source. That's what breast are for...right?
I'm vegan for personal reasons though and
not because someone else told me. I was not
inspired by any vegan video. I stopped eating
meat or food that was linked to other animals
because I did not want the imprint of their suffering
running through my veins. Does this make me better
than you or someone that eats meat though? Nope. I'm regular.
There are I guess "paranormal" reasons too but I won't go into that here.
One of the reasons why I don't mention how I eat though is because
I notice how so many people who do eat meat feel as though
they are doing something wrong or that I'm this righteous individual
who is suddenly judging them for it. Not everyone but I notice quite a
few and it might even have to do with some of the judgmental vegans
who think they are better than everyone else which they are not.
I never judge anyone for eating meat because I used to it. It was good!
Anyway with all that being said... Yes...
as the child grows older passed the breast milk where he can now eat food with teeth
I would feed him food that is not linked to any animal suffering. I would do my research
and talk to professionals. However, I won't force him to eat this way as when he leaves the house.
There is a chance he will have friends who eat meat or maybe
even his mother isn't vegan (or maybe she just stops eating this way).
Um...That would be fine. The only thing I will force is myself to teach him
my views and what I have experienced as vegan. And I wouldn't look down
on him/her for deciding to eat meat either. Vegan food is just what I would
buy for the house. Now when he brings home meat from say a friend or
when he starts to buy it with his own money then that would be fine.
I would probably laugh and enjoy that he's even eating it because I would
go down memory lane with him to remember when I used to eat it and enjoy too
(if he/she would even be enjoying it in the first place at this point). Now is it easier
for me to say these things being that I don't have kids of my own? Yes. but I feel like
I would definitely teach in this way though, for him/her to make their own decisions
based on what I have taught them and what they have experienced. That would be
my number one goal as a parent anyway and I would definitely love him no matter
what he eats because at the end of the day, this is how ((( i ))) decided to eat.
It shouldn't be on them or anyone else.
Well first... I don't really understand why some
vegan parents wouldn't want their child to drink
their own breast milk? That's the babies natural
food source. That's what breast are for...right?
I'm vegan for personal reasons though and
not because someone else told me. I was not
inspired by any vegan video. I stopped eating
meat or food that was linked to other animals
because I did not want the imprint of their suffering
running through my veins. Does this make me better
than you or someone that eats meat though? Nope. I'm regular.
There are I guess "paranormal" reasons too but I won't go into that here.
One of the reasons why I don't mention how I eat though is because
I notice how so many people who do eat meat feel as though
they are doing something wrong or that I'm this righteous individual
who is suddenly judging them for it. Not everyone but I notice quite a
few and it might even have to do with some of the judgmental vegans
who think they are better than everyone else which they are not.
I never judge anyone for eating meat because I used to it. It was good!
Anyway with all that being said... Yes...
as the child grows older passed the breast milk where he can now eat food with teeth
I would feed him food that is not linked to any animal suffering. I would do my research
and talk to professionals. However, I won't force him to eat this way as when he leaves the house.
There is a chance he will have friends who eat meat or maybe
even his mother isn't vegan (or maybe she just stops eating this way).
Um...That would be fine. The only thing I will force is myself to teach him
my views and what I have experienced as vegan. And I wouldn't look down
on him/her for deciding to eat meat either. Vegan food is just what I would
buy for the house. Now when he brings home meat from say a friend or
when he starts to buy it with his own money then that would be fine.
I would probably laugh and enjoy that he's even eating it because I would
go down memory lane with him to remember when I used to eat it and enjoy too
(if he/she would even be enjoying it in the first place at this point). Now is it easier
for me to say these things being that I don't have kids of my own? Yes. but I feel like
I would definitely teach in this way though, for him/her to make their own decisions
based on what I have taught them and what they have experienced. That would be
my number one goal as a parent anyway and I would definitely love him no matter
what he eats because at the end of the day, this is how ((( i ))) decided to eat.
It shouldn't be on them or anyone else.
All I know is that if parents decide that they feed their baby only vegan then they should (I think its a must) get a doctors check few times a year to make sure it doesn‘t lack vitamins like b12 etc. then it would be all fine
At least that‘s what is strongly adviced here in switzerland
At least that‘s what is strongly adviced here in switzerland
Posted by mudra_
It isn't impossible to have a glowing, healthy baby as a vegan. As long as you do your research and don't assume you're getting everything you need because you eat healthy. It is planned eating and supplementing.
You’re vegan right? Were you vegan while pregnant and did you raise your daughter that way?
Posted by Aliensusedourbogroll
Do vegans not breastfeed?
In my friend’s case she tried but was unable to produce enough so she had to put her on formula early on and the poor baby had formula intolerance and had a bunch of issues
(I had a similar issue though so I’m not saying it’s because she was vegan )
Posted by EllygantThere are several vitamins/nutrients you literally cannot find in a plant and have to take a lab created supplement to get them if you will not eat an animal product.
I’m not vegan or a mother. But I am pescatarian (who eats steak maybe 1 a month or every other month lmao) and I’m a manager at a health food restaurant in a health/sustainability based community. So there are a lot of families here that eat vegan or extremely clean.
Tbh, there’s no observable health/size/weight difference between those families and the families that are a little more lax. They don’t really have allergies or digestive issues. It’s a fairly affluent community tho, everyone is very highly educated for the most part and no one hurts for money ever.
You can get all your nutrients from being vegan, but you just have to A) Be extremely well versed in food/nutrition and B) have the financial means to accomplish that.
All the moms here breastfeed from what I can tell tho. For quite a while too.
I have family and friends where the mother was def not vegan at all but had colicky babies with a lot of food allergies and digestive issues all their early life. Most kids grew out of them.
Contrast to me, where my mom and myself ate pretty much anything and everything growing up, but once I hit my 20’s I developed a ton of food allergies and I tolerances. My diet became mostly pescatarian because of health, not choice. And for the most part I rarely eat fish, as I’m only able to eat tuna and salmon and most other fish and seafood I’m allergic to as well. So I’m about 95% vegetarian.
I don’t think there’s that much difference between the two. I do think that vegans are extremely self righteous a lot of times though, and that obviously rubs people the wrong way to feel judged and belittled. I have also noticed many vegans have actual eating disorders that they cover up with their vegan life style as well, be it body dysmorphia, anorexia, bulima, binge eating etc. so it doesn’t help their case. Plus if you don’t have a lot of money or live in place with diverse food/access to unique foods, then yeah, a vegetarian diet won’t be sufficient if all you eat is carrots and iceberg lettuce.
For one, B12
My friend was vegan for like 10+ years and was a bad vegan and did not take supplements and now she has an autoimmune disease, her thyroid is failing, she’s anemic, and has to get B12 injections even after she’s been eating meat for several years now
I guess that’s why it triggers me because a lot of people are just not good vegans. But your post reassures me somewhat that it is possible
Also after being vegan for so long, if my friend accidentally ate something with meat or cheese in it she became violently ill because her body couldn’t tolerate it. It took her a while to work her way back into eating meat
Is this a normal occurrence or is she just dramatic?
I can’t imagine that a child who was raised never eating meat will be able to just one day enjoy a cheeseburger with friends at a pool party.
Is this a normal occurrence or is she just dramatic?
I can’t imagine that a child who was raised never eating meat will be able to just one day enjoy a cheeseburger with friends at a pool party.
Posted by mudra_Posted by brianafayI wasn't vegan or even vegetarian at that point BUT I have always ate very little meat. That was a long time ago but I do remember eating fruit and veg like a mfer. Anything vietnamese style . Fish has always been my thing and I hated it since you can't eat a lot of fish while preggers. At one point, the thought of meat absolutely repulsed me during pregnancy.Posted by mudra_
It isn't impossible to have a glowing, healthy baby as a vegan. As long as you do your research and don't assume you're getting everything you need because you eat healthy. It is planned eating and supplementing.
You’re vegan right? Were you vegan while pregnant and did you raise your daughter that way?
She did just fine... obviously you dont do stupid sht like feed your baby vegetable or nut milk instead of breastmilk or formula lmao.
I've switched from vegetarian to vegan and back her whole life. That's 7 years. It's not an activist choice for me. It's more about cleaning out my body and glowing from the inside. I could give a sht less if the person next to me is eating meat and if I get a pho with meat broth on accident instead of veg, you know what? That's ok. No biggie. I just don't like the heaviness of meat in my system.
That being said... my daughter goes to her dad's house half the week with no limits. He feeds her a pile of absolute garbage no matter how much I btch about it. So I guess i am excluded from this topic as far as experience goes. At my house, we are meat free and she has eaten all vegan with me.
I make sure she has her vitamins and she has never begged for a cheeseburger, chicken nuggets, etc because I love to cook and make veg or vegan food fun an flavorful. We go to Asian restaurants, order vegetable dishes and she eats that sht happily with chopsticks and we're fine.
I get that vegan people can be activists and annoying preachers but I think all the reactions in here are funny. The articles and representations are not the general population of people who choose not to eat animal products. They are representation of crazy, extra vegans lol.click to expand
Thank you !
My friend does happen to be the annoying kind that let’s everyone know how consuming meat destroys the planet and is cruel etc but hopefully if she does choose to raise her baby this way she does it thoughtfully and makes sure she gets the supplements she needs
I was worried that if he baby never has an animal product that she will never be able to and I feel that’s not fair to take that choice from her but it sounds like I could be wrong in that assumption
Kinda pointless to be outraged at what parents choose to do with their kids. I mean one of the leading factors of deaths in newborns/infants is parents falling to sleep with them in bed, rolling over in exhaustion, and smothering the baby.
this made me chuckle
Posted by LadyNeptune
Kinda pointless to be outraged at what parents choose to do with their kids. I mean one of the leading factors of deaths in newborns/infants is parents falling to sleep with them in bed, rolling over in exhaustion, and smothering the baby.
Can you even imagine? 😩
I can’t tell you how many times I fell asleep on the couch holding my baby those first few weeks. She had to be held constantly. It was literally the only way she’d sleep. I tell her all the time it’s a miracle she’s alive...well both of us actually 😂
Posted by mudra_We are OBSESSED with using oakmilk for our cubano's. MmmmmmPosted by LadyNeptuneLmao the possibilities are endless! Theres even freakin flax milk which isn't too shabby. My fav is cashew. That sht is crrrrreamy!
this made me chuckleclick to expand
Posted by brianafayNo, I can't even. What a crazy blow that must be to accidentally kill your own kid. Ouch.Posted by LadyNeptune
Kinda pointless to be outraged at what parents choose to do with their kids. I mean one of the leading factors of deaths in newborns/infants is parents falling to sleep with them in bed, rolling over in exhaustion, and smothering the baby.
Can you even imagine? 😩
I can’t tell you how many times I fell asleep on the couch holding my baby those first few weeks. She had to be held constantly. It was literally the only way she’d sleep. I tell her all the time it’s a miracle she’s alive...well both of us actually 😂click to expand
Posted by Erzsebet_Bathoryhumans are omnivores.
Humans are carnivores. As well as a vast group of other animals. Being vegetarian or vegan is a choice. Depriving a baby of breast milk or adequate baby formulas is idiotic.
your point stands though.
Posted by Foxy777the nhs disagrees but gives caveats
According to Doctors its not possible.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/pregnancy-and-baby/vegetarian-vegan-children/
Posted by Foxy777Very wise 👍
According to Doctors its not possible.
https://www.independent.co.uk/life- style /food-and-drink/vegan-children-benefit-risk-expert-a7961906.html
If i had a baby I would ask my Doctor.
By the way my mother made me vegetarian when i was 12 she asked a doctor first. He said i was probably past the age of it being about to harm me developmentally and since it was veggie not vegan it was probably ok. My bother is veggie too ...my mom eats fish now.
I would personally feed my children everything but educate them I don't want them to feel hardness or coldness towards animals. I also would want them to have the discipline to follow through on anything they feel is right in lief as they grow older. But i also would want them to have common sense and not to judge or shame others for doing things differently.
If i raise them right they will make the right decision for them.
So i would give them meat but let them choose as they got older.
Was feeling bad for even discussing my vegan friend’s parenting decisions and feeling judgey....then saw this. Literally her last post on Instagram:
🙄
just please feed your baby a balanced diet and let her make her own choices when she is able
just please feed your baby a balanced diet and let her make her own choices when she is able
Posted by TheRabbitI'm looking forward to the future (NOT).Posted by mudra_I was mostly kidding. But I have noticed the UN, the WHO, and the IACR gave really been releasing a lot of "studies" on meats, animal products, and alcohol, that are really scaring people unnecessarily and I can only surmise they are doing it to control people into eating plant based.Posted by TheRabbitToo much soy is terrible for you. That's becoming a known fact.
The Globalists are going to enforce a soy heavy, plants only diet in the near future. They'll love it when we become a society of weak, compliant, femenized drones.click to expand
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