Inlove Scop :(

We got back together full force, in love like hell. Like magnets. Saw each other everyday. He moved. Got into stupid argument when I asked to help me with a line from a case I'm doing for work. He said he was "too busy" cleaning up house. Haven't spoken to him since. Sadness. :;tear:: 😭

^^ Song about katy perry (scorp). I like following their relationship. Gives me hope. They were so much in love with each other but it didn't work out. She wrote almost every song for him in her albums including "The One" (that got away- because she was still in love with him when marrying the brit comedian.) Then she divorced brit because rumors have it that she was still in love with Travis (Leo) and they still remained in contact ( Katy's jealous ex-hubby gemini wouldn't have it). She couldn't stand even being in the same state as Gemini so she even relocated. Then it is confirmed she went back to Travis (despite writing hateful songs such as "Circle the Drain" after break up) for support and comfort. And as a typical leo is broke his heart and he was there for her. ::sigh::

Insanity: Repeating the same behavior yet expecting a different result.

I find it honorable and cute that even though she wrote "Circle the Drain" when they were having issues calling him a junkie and a loser..he couldn't even come to terms with calling her any kind of names. Even when asked what he thought about her writing negative songs about him...he said "I'm just stoked that she finally has a song with some substance on her record. Good job." Which is not too negative at all in comparison.


Katy Perry Writes negative break up song about Travis McCoy:

http://perezhilton.com/2010-10-01-travie-mccoy-responds-to-katy-perry-song-circle-the-drain<BR>
"The One" Katy Perry was always still in love with him (why are scorps like this? never tell you how they feel)


http://diaryofahollywoodstreetking.com/is-katy-perry-still-in-love-with-travis-mccoy/<BR>
Throughout it all, (her cheating on him/breaking up with him/writing song about him/ marrying someone else) Travis is still there for her:

http://www.safm.com.au/entertainment/the_dirt/blog/katy-perrys-ex-travis-mccoy-comforts-her/20120205-fjct.html<BR>
On a more positive note:

Big girl panties: So love is insanity?

Although Katy Perry and Rhianna were best friends that helped each other cope with their "insane relationships"=love, I believe it's quite different.

Katy Perry and Travis McCoy LOVED AND LOVE each other.

Chris Brown tried to CONTROL Rhianna and abused her, not love.

Leo and Scorp/ Katy + Travis is actually inspiring because out of all these broken hollywood fake relationships, they showed each other their love through their music, you could tell they really meant it, and stayed together.

They stuck by each other, and as crazy as that might seem...it is very touching.

"ba da da da da" lol

Biggirlpanties: Sometimes people mature, i.e. grow up and realize how to handle things differently.

"If they avoid the worst case scenario, the many Leo-Scorpio couples prove this is a dynamic combo that spurs eachother to greater heights. Scorpio intuits the Lion's need for praise, and offers feedback that has weight to it. Leo's smiley ways and sense of celebration lure Scorpio into moods that bring out the very best in their complex nature. Their intimate life is by turns intense and playful, and a great catharsis for any tensions that build up between them. If they resist driving the relationship over a cliff, there's a sense of loyalty and exciting sexual chemistry that is more than enough to sustain a lifelong passion."

Avoid worst case scenario or...possibly persevere and grow through the worst case scenario?

btw I'd think that then it would be insane to : work at your job (repetitive) have a schedule everyday (repetitive) work out (repetitive) go to school (repetitive) raise your children (repetitive) cook (repetitive) clean (repetitive) sex (repetitive)...list goes on.

Self improvement and acknowledgement yet perseverance = Insanity?

Well then I'd love to be called insane. 🙂

"If that ain't love then I don't know what love is" :p

SMH. You need to get out of this toxic, controlling, obsessive relationship while you still have your sanity. Yet again you have shown him you will go back to him no matter what shit he puts your way. He's winning all the way. This isn't love, BGP is right, its insanity.

"in love like hell" you said it yourself, freudian slip?

Well I meant we love each other a lot. lol. Not hell. When we are together it's amazing. We are completely in love when together. It's not hell, he never lay a hand on me, and he never called me any degrading names, he never kept me captive (I've been with him on my own free will) and he never treated me like "he was using me" or "just a fuck". He has said he cares about him and likewise I've said and felt the same. And when we aren't going arguing (which everyone goes through in a healthy relationship) he is completely supportive. He wants me to succeed and the best in life and he has TOLD me this. I wish the same for him. The only problem...and I agreed with Sheath with this and I still do...is that we aren't completely open with what we actually feel deep inside for each other.

Although I have told him I've loved him in spurts and not really gone into it.

There have been times where he has expressed that he has deep feelings, concerns, and he cares but he doesn't want to go into it (because I guess feelings about being a man and expressing feelings, or repression) He has also even stated that he doesn't really want to go into his feelings but that he does have some.

I really don't want to bash him, maybe it's a leo thing. But I am kind of depressed about the whole thing...honestly I've been in love before (with a cap/ that I'm still friends with and still kind of awkwardly misses/loves me)

But I have not felt or experienced the love with that Cap (that was supposedly head over heals and still is) within the 10 years I was with him, that I experienced with the Scorp during the 1 year.

It was very different let me demonstrate:

Cap

Saw him once every couple of weeks sometimes even up til a month even though he has a car and I wasn't too far from him.

Scorp

Saw him every single day.

Cap

Barely picked up the phone, and now picks up the phone more frequently but sporadically.

Scorp

Picks up the phone every single time (whether or not I do the same) except when we are arguing (where sometimes he feels compelled to call me back- even though he's hurt, or pick up after he's comfortable)

Cap

Was only there for me when I needed him during the end of our relationship and now he's almost never there physically only via phone.

Scorp

Physically always there for me when I need him and over the phone as well.

Cap

Spoke badly about me to his friends sometimes and I had to find this out.

Scorp

Only asked hi

Scorp: only asked for advice from friends.

Cap: Meet his friends only during social events didn't introduce me really. But it was known that I was "his". Always chose friends over me.

Scorp: Meet most of his friends and he always chose me over his friends whether it be to hang out or defense wise.

Cap: Rarely depended on me for advice, to rant about his life, or to tell me anything personal/intimate that was going on.

Scorp: Always tells me what is going on in his life, asks for advice, takes advice, tells me EVERYTHING personal/intimate that is going on.

This is what I'm going by.

He might not have much (financially), might not be that stable (environment/in life in general/ and emotionally), and we might argue from time to time (which is bound to happen in any relationship) but I'm not going to bash him because I do love him and I really did appreciate what we had.

I'm scared of losing him not because "I know he'll never talk to me again"...because he most likely will.

But because I'm the type of person that once something is over I see the person differently, they are usually in the past an I feel nothing for them. I'll be there for them...but not there with them..

And I don't want that happening because I do love him.

Maybe it's a Leo thing. ::shrugs::

mistake : *he has said he has cared about me. (obviously he cares about him as well, he's in his head lol :-P) THAT WAS a freudian slip ^^^ definitely lol

Repeating the same behavior EXPECTING A DIFFERENT RESULT.

Everytime you get back together, it's TOXIC, no? Hence, you still repeat it. Love?...SMH....codependent denial.

Hope you find your bottom.

Biggirlpanties: Every time we get together it's not toxic. The toxic part is when we aren't. Call it codependent. But even the most independent person is establishes codependence or interdependence through their relationships with friends collegues lovers spouse or any other relationship where you obviously mutually depend on each other for support. EVERYONE needs some sort of support. Whether the co-dependence has evolved into something that is unhealthy is a different issue.

I haven't showed up in to house demanding that he see me. Haven't even tried calling him or texting or messaging lately in my depression.

I don't depend on him for money, to be there (if he can't he can't and if he is that's his choice), or anything else.

I just simply love him.

I don't really even depend on his love, for if he doesn't love me there is nothing I can do about it.
(I'm pretty mature and realize I can't force a situation and if a situation is forced it's doomed to work out)

I've been in toxic relationships when I was young and immature where I was treated like complete butter..and I've also taken myself out of those situations.

In every single relationship I've been in , the man has begged for me to come back and I've refused because there was obviously a reason why it wouldn't work out and I know how to move on.

However, I do love this person and it's not due to dependence, it's due to respect, gratitude, appreciation, strong feelings of affection, and understanding.

If he never wants to talk to me again, I'm depressed now but I understand.

However, that doesn't refute the fact that I love him and I will always be there for him...whether or not I will always love him (and that is what scares me...that if he pushes me away now...one day I won't..and I will simply move on...and like the many (including a scorp that begs to NO END for me to be "his") I will refuse to come back.)

* doomed to not work out. My keyboard is fakked. -_-

Don't convince me...convince you.

Biggirlpanties: Thank you. You are definitely correct on that. I guess I was trying to defend more than convince....defend him and our prior and possibly (if it's meant to be) current/future relationship.

He's a great guy, and I cheerish/appreciate a relationship with him that I've only ever had with my best (woman) friend (aries) (minus the intimacy/sex)

He was my best friend in all respects and lover. And to lose both depresses me. It also depresses me that he might just turn into a name if he lets enough time pass by...and what scares me the most is that he may truly love me...

and when he decides to express this...it may be too late... I may have moved on...and may feel nothing...and may just brush him off....like I've been doing with several other people currently that beg to come back.

It pains me to realize with these people (scorps and caps and aquariuses that beg to have me back) at one time I promised that I cared so deeply I'd always be there

now they are depending on that promise and it seems as I have no word.

Because I know (even though they believe that there is a chance) that there is no way that I will return to them...or that things will be the same....even if it's seems that I'm a caring friend and I am there for them.

I'm just there for them because I am a good person...and that's all..

I don't want that happening with current scorp because I love him, and I know it's real, and I don't want him losing that.

What if? like with the others...he realizes that this immense sense of caring for him... he won't be able to get that with someone else. (because the problem is a tend to treat my partners..no joke...with this "movie-like" surreal genuine unconditional love) and then I won't be able to provide this to him anymore)

I don't want that to happen...and this depresses me.

So I hope that we can touch base before it's too late and we can grow together....

but if not I completely understand...and for now I still completely love him...I hope it stays that way.

Phew....btw it was nice to get that out. :-) thanks. (as I am not too good at expressing how I feel or explaining anything whether or not it's necessary I guess I needed that. And thank you so much because although I'm still down it makes me feel a whole lot better.)

got a phone call; he still

All good Pecheresse. Sweat.Lioness i don't think you can see the wood from the trees where this relationship is concerned. You seem like such a lovely beautiful person who is giving her all to this love that is not love. I hope that you can find the strength to let it go soon, before it breaks you. You need to start learning the lessons that this relationship has brought to you, but you need to start learning them on your own. I don't think there is anything anyone can say to you here to help you to realise this so i will leave you with this one wish - that your rose-coloured glasses slip down off your nose and you can begin to see, with clarity, what is so wrong with this scenario.

Posted by sweat.lioness
Biggirlpanties: Sometimes people mature, i.e. grow up and realize how to handle things differently.

"If they avoid the worst case scenario, the many Leo-Scorpio couples prove this is a dynamic combo that spurs eachother to greater heights. Scorpio intuits the Lion's need for praise, and offers feedback that has weight to it. Leo's smiley ways and sense of celebration lure Scorpio into moods that bring out the very best in their complex nature. Their intimate life is by turns intense and playful, and a great catharsis for any tensions that build up between them. If they resist driving the relationship over a cliff, there's a sense of loyalty and exciting sexual chemistry that is more than enough to sustain a lifelong passion."

Avoid worst case scenario or...possibly persevere and grow through the worst case scenario?

::sigh:: that's what i want.

no-one winds me up more than a leo man but most of the time they tease, which you can either take or you can't depending on how uptight you are. i think it's the solid friendship between the two that doesn't feel like enough for some scorpios who often want more emotional extremes from their partner, or at least they think they want that kind of rollercoaster ride.

leos offer all the fun of the fair, underpinned with massive amounts of loyalty. ultimately, if a scorpio feels secure in the relationship, they won't be the needy, clingy type of scorp that the lions run away from.

i think self-confidence is a big issue in this pairing especially as leo has the tendancy to tease or comment on very personal issues...usually without being aware they're putting their foot in their mouths on occasion....so, it's not a relationship that works well if the scorp is insecure. i'm not sure leos know how to deal with that...not the guys anyway.

Posted by Pecheresse
"What if? like with the others...he realizes that this immense sense of caring for him... he won't be able to get that with someone else. (because the problem is a tend to treat my partners..no joke...with this "movie-like" surreal genuine unconditional love) and then I won't be able to provide this to him anymore)"

nuh huh babe no bueno.
You're not his mother. Sorry but women with too much unconditional love to give are usually being taken advantage off in the long run cos they tend to forgive way too easily. I am afraid that no amount of unconditional love will prevent you from taking you for granted. Show him you're not for granted. Take back your power. If it means losing him, well it's better than losing yourself & your sanity.

at last!!! someone who knows that unconditional love has no place in romantic relationships. that's called 'being a doormat'. romantic love is FULL of conditions. think about it...he cheats on you, would you still love him? he rapes and murders someone...would you still love him then??

if that's your CHILD, then yeah you love them still because that what unconditional love is...love that isn't determined by the others' actions or deeds..it just is..

as a mother, i don't have a constant nagging thought that one day i may break up with my son or daughter which is what gives me the freedom to love them unconditionally. it's more of a bond than love as an emotion.

it sounds like the balance between you is all askew...it's all about the way you love him...what about the way he loves you? that's MORE important!! yeah, you take a risk of losing that person when you set boundaries but if they constantly cross them, it's pretty much doomed anyway and the relationship will take you down with it.

hmnnn I will reflect on what all of you have said collectively and make a decision.

He's usually always there for me...and

He said he loves me but was annoyed at the way I was "making demands" to help me with a line from my caseload when he was too busy to help atm.

However, maybe there is something all of you see, that I don't, so I will have to think about the situation further.

Thank you Percheresse, celticlioness, BigGirlPanties,TaurusManUk and R1g0rM0rT1s for your time, advice, and words I appreciate it.

SL: ultimately, it's about how you read the situation...there's nothing we can see that you can't. in fact, we aren't seeing as much as you at all.

i often ask for advice here but to be honest, i always keep in mind that only i know the whole story (or half if it involves someone else)...and people here usually relate things to their own experiences so the information is helpful but shouldn't influence what you know in your heart to be true.

None of us can see our personal situation with eye of objective reasoning. We are TOO close to it.

Do this experiement: Take a red apple, put it up to your right eyeball. Eye wide open, let the apple touch it. Then, describe what you see. It will probably be a blur..no shape, no color, no stem.

Then take the apple, place it on the kitchen table, stand 5 feet away, then describe it. Will you be better able to describe it accurately?

Ugh, I'd snap Katy Perry's neck given the chance 🙂

Posted by BigGirlPanties
None of us can see our personal situation with eye of objective reasoning. We are TOO close to it.

Do this experiement: Take a red apple, put it up to your right eyeball. Eye wide open, let the apple touch it. Then, describe what you see. It will probably be a blur..no shape, no color, no stem.

Then take the apple, place it on the kitchen table, stand 5 feet away, then describe it. Will you be better able to describe it accurately?

Mm, I'd be inclined to say the same.

After all, if you're a lawyer it's quite the mistake in defending the person that you know all too well, as well as serving as a part of the jury or presiding as judge.

And repeating an action while expecting another result is definitely not healthy. Fool me once shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.

You're going to follow your heart being the Lioness that you are, but I hope that you're still keeping those claws sharp - need be.

biggirlpanties: hmnnn what would the reasonably prudent person do in the same or similar circumstance to avoid or minimize the risk of harm to themselves and others?

seraph:

Me

Sun 08??50' Leo
Moon 25??49' Virgo
Mercury 06??04' Virgo
Venus 21??30' Leo
Mars 21??50' Scorpio
Jupiter 04??24' Capricorn
Saturn 09??59' Scorpio
Uranus 09??38' Sagittarius
Neptune 29??03' Sagittarius
Pluto 29??21' Libra

Him

Sun 21??47' Scorpio
Moon 14??34' Sagittarius
Mercury 13??39' Sagittarius
Venus 05??45' Scorpio
Mars 11??01' Libra
Jupiter 09??55' Aquarius
Saturn 29??39' Scorpio
Uranus 16??38' Sagittarius
Neptune 01??53' Capricorn
Pluto 05??15' Scorpio

Trine me Sun / Him Moon - 05??44'
Trine me Sun / Him Mercury - 04??49'
Square me Sun / Him Venus - 03??04'
Sextile me Sun / Him Mars - 02??11'
Opposition me Sun / Him Jupiter - 01??05'
Sextile Him Sun / me Moon - 04??02'
Sextile me Moon / Him Saturn - 03??49'
Sextile me Mercury / Him Venus - 00??18'
Square Him Sun / me Venus - 00??17'
Trine Him Moon / me Venus - 06??56'
Trine me Venus / Him Uranus - 04??52'
Conjunction Him Sun / me Mars - 00??03'
Conjunction me Mars / Him Saturn - 07??49'
Sextile Him Venus / me Jupiter - 01??21'
Conjunction Him Venus / me Saturn - 04??13'
Conjunction Him Moon / me Uranus - 04??56'
Conjunction Him Mercury / me Uranus - 04??00'
Sextile Him Mars / me Uranus - 01??23'

ri0gor; Well himm...my heart says he loves me but is immature and not stable as butter.

sheathedclaws; Actually being a lawyer makes you kind of a jerk...hehe. A person is more inclined to question the other person and see all the negative outcomes before defending them. This way you are truly advocating if you are on the defensive side by saying i.e. this is why the person is going to lose, and loss must be accepted before we could try to counteract/negotiate/ or minimize that loss. But nevertheless, I'll keep those claws sharp pretty lady. 🙂

i thought lawyers were on the side of whoever's paying their fees, lol.

Hm, the matter still stands. We've had cases thrown out locally due to lawyers being too connected to their clients prior to defending them.

yeah...there have been quite a few problems in the uk recently with some really high profile cases. trying to find an unbiased jury is virtually impossible but then people are very judgemental anyway which is why, in personal situations, you should listen to your own instincts and go with gut feeling rather than reaching out for advice. good advice is really useful but following any external suggestions requires careful consideration as no two situations are alike and so anything that impacts your life has to be your decision to make.

i remember when i was little...yeah, there was a time many years ago, lol....if one of my brothers asked me to do something dumb, like tasting dog food or suchlike (as happened often)...when my mother asked wtf i was doing, i would always start crying, point at the brother in question and whine that 'he told me toooooooooo'.

she always ALWAYS said back...'and if he told you to put your head in the gas oven, would you?'

(i actually answered yes to that once too, lol)

the point i'm making in my usual long-winded way is that no good comes from blindly following the advice of others. you have to know what your doing and why, when you do it and not when you're stuck with the consequences of someone else's making.

sheathedclaws; Actually, I wish that were the case. When in school, the rumor was there "weren't any jobs" available, R1g0rM0rT1s is right....lawyers are usually assholes because they are on the side of whoever pays their fees.

I'd LOVE to work in the UK, I'm actually trying to get transferred either there or to Holland.

In the United States Court system, rumors were somewhat right..."there aren't any jobs"...but what they meant was "there aren't any high paying corporate jobs". The unfortunate truth is that there are millions of people who go unrepresented by lawyers.


Why is this the case?

Because they can't afford lawyers.


But by law, the court is required to provide you with a public defender you might add...

This is true. But there is actually a demand for public defenders, and the sad truth is that a public interest lawyer (or possibly private practice attorney) is the ONLY type of attorney that must connect with their client and has the opportunity to advocate for their client.

However due to the lack of public interest lawyers in the U.S., they are overworked and given a huge caseload that tends to desensitize their need to empathize or effectively advocate for the client.

Most often public interest lawyers try to "get the case over with" and go the easy "plea bargain" route than actually trying to prove a client's innocence (in the matter of defense).

This is why you may so often find very bogus court cases decided in extremely bogus ways;

An example of a friend's client;

14 years old.

Family ran out of foodstamps and didn't qualify for an increase.

She stole a bag of chips.

She never committed any previous crimes.

Normally a court would issue her with an ACD or a Conditional Acquittal, where a person would be on a short probationary period and thereafter the charges will be lifted from them (like it never happened at all).

However, the justice system especially in New York is doing away with ACD's.

In part because my friend ( amongst the many public interest lawyers) was too busy to convince the judge that this girl was in high school, and isn't the legal age to work, there was no food in the household, and she had no prior record.

The girl got 50 hours of community service, a fine, written apology and a violation.

And Yes, R1g0rM0rT1s, the next woman to prance into an open court late with her L. Vuitton bag, 14k jewelry, and Bionda Castana shoes, was without contempt, + found innocent

a spiffy looking lawyer awaited her arrival.

But nonetheless you might be right sheath, I may, personally, have more of involvement or duty than some lawyers.

However, R1g0rM0rT1s may be right...I might possibly eat dog food, it may leave a bad taste in my mouth, and I might wonder why I ever left such a wonderful person.

Virgo moon= Won't make decision until analysis

So I'm taking all into accord. Thank you guys. :-) (((hugs))

EEE, if I could just have 4 seconds with you in a tub full of red jello, Id have my way with you. I swear I would ;P!!!

yeah, i'm not sure i want to rub fruit on my eyeball without a giving it a good rinse first. strange practice if you ask me. must be an american thing eh bling?

can you use any fruit or vegetable for this procedure bgp? LOL 😉

Sounds like you wore out your welcome. All that together time gets old fast, especially with a fire/air sign. Let him breathe.

Leo calm down.

scorpios, and virgos, NEED DOWN-TIME!!! Just scorpios are more likely to tell you.

Every time I see this Scop thread in the hot topic, I wanna scoop my brain out with a fork.

Scopity Scop? Scropy McScop Scrop?

Say Scrop 3xfast ScropScropScrop

Posted by everevolvingepithet
Like this?

Jest like that. *nods*

I have no idea. I use Firefox so those pictures and gifs from photobucket don't show up for me. 😛

Sir Richard Branson !

Ahhh so you guys were all right. Toxic relationship. Got deaded and to no avail can get even a friendship. I try to help him out and he disses me to the fullest. Point black he hates me. It was co-dependent, I'm not going to lie. But I got seriously burnt. I really loved him...and still do. But he won't talk to me for butter. I have hit rock bottom. It's sucks that someone you love can't appreciate the love you shower on them. It's difficult to move on, especially since all my exes are friends with me and have no beef with me. He seems to be the only one filled with rage and hatred towards me. Oy Vey! 😢 Wish this situation was fixable.

*can't even get a friendship.

"It's difficult to move on, especially since all my exes are friends with me and have no beef with me. He seems to be the only one filled with rage and hatred towards me."

Maybe he's raging and hating because of one (or all) or your exes.

Scops seem so unreasonable at times.

everevolvingepithet;

Apparently, according to him, I betrayed his trust.

Wynter: He also told me that he found it strange that I'm friends with my exes.

( Usually when I am with someone an ex stays and ex. And a friend stays a friend.)

Yes, Scorpios don't keep exes for friends. That's true. It's easier that way.

Posted by everevolvingepithet

Posted by Wynter
"It's difficult to move on, especially since all my exes are friends with me and have no beef with me. He seems to be the only one filled with rage and hatred towards me."

Maybe he's raging and hating because of one (or all) or your exes.

Scops seem so unreasonable at times.

There should be a thread outlining the differences/similarities between, Scorps, Scops and Scrops.🙂

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Oh I totally agree. Kind of like a FAQ or a sticky that hangs out at the top of the Forum. And one for lizards, scorpions, eagles, phoenixes, Betelgeuses, and Grand Poohbahs too. 🙂

Heheh...he and his Pisces are prolly filling up their constellation with little fire-sign ankle biters 😛