leos and lieing?

So I just broke it off with a leo after two weeks because I caught him lieing. I was pretty sure he was doing so for a while, and let him know I thought so. Then I found proof of one lie on his Facebook and asked him if he was certain he had nothing to admit, which he said no to. I tossed the phone with the proof pulled up onto his lap, told him that he didn't deserve me, and walked away. He chased me down and admitted to it, but then told me another lie about it! I called him out on that one too, as I had already seen proof that it was a lie on his Facebook as well. He kept asking me what he had to do to prove that he loved me, and I told him that he would have to admit the BIG lie,that being one about where he previously worked. He flat out wouldn't admit to it, he wouldn't prove it to me either. So I sent him packing. Really? Is this just an immature leo thing? I know most of his lies were to make himself look better to me, but I don't need my man to 'look good', I need him to be honest.

I don't know the whole story but everyone on FB is lying about something. Are you sure you are not overreacting a little bit?

Confronting a Leo-Not good
Asking him to admit to lyinging when you already knew he was-Not good
Throwing a phone-Not good
Telling him he doesn't deserve you-Not good
Sending him packing-Not good

If you really want him gone then Congratulations you did all the right things. If you were merely acting out of anger you better go get him. Leos are never single very long unless we want to be. In addition, a Leo male with a brusied ego is one very dangerous animal. He is going to do anything or anyone to make himself feel better. You are going to have a whole different set of problems in a minute.

Oh no, I meant it when I sent him packing. I knew once he tied to cover one lie with another that I was never going to be able to put up with that, and he wasn't going to be any different either. But man, when your caught with your pants down just freaking give up! especially since he knew I knew

Some leo's can be habitual liars but I've found through my own experiences with it that it's harmless, harmless as in it's none of my damn business which is why the lies occurred.

Leo males (some of them) will not apologize for how they choose/chose to live their life and for some it's a matter of it's none of your business versus just lying because they can. They want to trust you first before revealing intimate secrets about themselves, trying not to be too vulnerable too early is part of keeping certain things to themselves.

Posted by tiki33
trying not to be too vulnerable too early is part of keeping certain things to themselves.

And as a Leo I would say 2 weeks is too damn early to disclose my inner demons or career aspirations to someone !

I think with him it was just a 'lying because he could' situation. Most of the lies were petty, but the one about who he worked for...I happened to know that the company he claimed to work for had changed their name from what he was saying it was 3 years ago.

We had only been 'official' for two weeks

Huh? I worked for a bank that was bought after the great American bailout. They changed their name to Bank of So and So. I kept calling them the old name and so did everyone that worked there. Is this a lie?

It's probably for the best that it ended. We can't stand to be dissected like that. Having everything that comes out of my mouth fact checked would drive me to leave you and say some very mean things on my way out of the door.

What is your sign?

I'm aquarius. And you wouldn't have been saying the three year old name if you'd only been working there 6 months. I know I sound really harsh with this, but I did have gut feelings about it to begin with that I've never had with anyone else (none of them having lied to me like that) and he was a Terrible liar. I could tell the moment one popped out of his mouth. Perhaps if I had given him time he would have stopped, but I can't bank on that.

Lol it's my first leo experience. I've never been with someone with an equal amount of stubborn-ness

It does bother me because I saw a hug amount of potential, and I don't understand how somebody can claim (and seem) to be that in love with someone and give it up over a stupid lie?

I don't know him and I don't know you but I have a feeling that his version of events would sound nothing like yours.

In any case, your mind is made up. Move along..nothing to see here I guess.

A word of advice from a much older woman, slow down and breathe.

Give a guy a chance to trust you before you start demanding it. For most people, trust has to be earned.

And because you are an Aquarius...everyone is not out to get you. Everything is not deep. Sometimes, there are perfectly good explanations for behaviors no matter how much of a conspiracy spin you put on it.

It seems like you are the one who "gave it up over a stupid lie". Okay, so he lied about where he worked. Maybe he wanted to look better in the face of the public. Sounds like a typical Leo. You sent him packing, yet you want him to return to you, but realize that he is probably extremely stubborn and has too much pride/dignity to let go of. I feel like you could be more understanding about his perspective. Instead of just accusing him of lying, try to talk to him and understand WHY he feels the need to lie about his job.

I'm a Leo woman currently seeing an Aquarius male, and in order for this to work it involves a lot of patience and understanding--especially being solar opposites.

Do you feel like things are completely over with him?

Posted by LionGirl
It seems like you are the one who "gave it up over a stupid lie". Okay, so he lied about where he worked. Maybe he wanted to look better in the face of the public. Sounds like a typical Leo. You sent him packing, yet you want him to return to you, but realize that he is probably extremely stubborn and has too much pride/dignity to let go of. I feel like you could be more understanding about his perspective. Instead of just accusing him of lying, try to talk to him and understand WHY he feels the need to lie about his job.

I'm a Leo woman currently seeing an Aquarius male, and in order for this to work it involves a lot of patience and understanding--especially being solar opposites.

Do you feel like things are completely over with him?

Yes, things are done with him. I had told him early on in the "seeing" each other stage that I strongly doubted his stories, but I never pressed the point except for an occasional eye roll. And even though I wasn't talking to anyone else about my doubts about him, my entire family and all my friends were telling me the same things, my mother in particular kept telling me he raised the hairs on her neck...in a bad way. So my decision was probably tainted. One of my best friends works as a bounty hunter, and he kept telling me the guy threw up so many red flags and that I should run. I think all in all I would have broken it off anyway, but I didn't want to. I know it was the right decision, and I guess why I'm really on here is to look for justification because it hurt me to make it.

Jet you must be a young Aquarius because young Aquarius being that I'm one myself can be UNYIELDING. Dishonesty is a huge no no but something I've learned along the way is that Leo males have huge but fragile egos and this can be said for any man of any astrological sign.

Anything less than perfect will be embellished and the truth may come forth much later once a strong bond is established where he feels loved completely and accepted completely.

Hard to believe but everything he did was for you. All you had to say to him is lying and/or embellishing is completely unacceptable and don't let it happen again and it wouldn't. Reassuring him you accept him faults and all would be enough for him to let his guard down.

We Aquas have this "we're right" mentality but what I've found from being that way is we ALIENATE people from our lives. You were looking for a flaw to dump him and you found it.

So he lied, 2 weeks in a lot of people lie, there are harmless lies and there are lies that hurt people. If he's not hurting you with his lie then why do you care so much?

But I digress there where so many people in your ear about him that you most likely gave in to their views. We don't know the whole story as to what his former job was, we don't know his back story so all I can say is you did the right thing for you. If you sensed trouble then you did the best thing to protect you. If he's a criminal and hid that well yeah that would be a very good reason to dump him.

You did not reveal enough about the red flags. Lying in general is a red flag. For example I had a girl friend in High School and she lied and embellished EVERYTHING, we remained friends because she was funny and fun and we all knew any story she told was being embellished or just an outright lie with a bit of truth but she was harmless, never hurt anyone nor lied on anyone, she just embellished how things happened in a good way, never negative.

Well, the lying was a big one, but he also pushed me so fast into the whole relationship ordeal, he was discussing moving up to the area and then showed up at my door with a uhaul, bought me a phone with a new number and made me put away my original one, beat my ex up twice, took my gun (with me screaming at him to give it back) and shot a random car across the street, later on my ex told me he slashed the tires too. Apparently he also defaced the some innocent anti-war place too while drunk. And he drinks. A lot. He'd guilt trip me into not going out with my friends. Every time he was drunk (and frequently while sober as well) he'd want to either go to Vegas and "get hitched" or want to get me pregnant. Everything I owned was all of a sudden "ours". I just got this terrible feeling he was trying to pin me down into a situation that I couldn't get out of. Yes, I believe he loved me, and I was more than ready to love him, perhaps out of infatuation. And normally I never heed anybody's advice about what I want. The getting him to admit to his lies was my "testing" to see if maybe they were wrong, and he failed.

Posted by jeflogue
showed up at my door with a uhaul, bought me a phone with a new number and made me put away my original one, beat my ex up twice, took my gun (with me screaming at him to give it back) and shot a random car across the street, later on my ex told me he slashed the tires too. Apparently he also defaced the some innocent anti-war place too while drunk. And he drinks. A lot. He'd guilt trip me into not going out with my friends.

All this and your primary concern or point of dissension was an employment discrepancy?

Obviously not, as I shared those things. However,I do believe he loved me, and I would never lie to someone I loved or respected. I'm trying to understand why he did it when I made it clear to him (and I did warn him 2 months ago that if I caught him lying he'd be done) that it was unacceptable. I know I was stupid about a lot of it. I know I'm typically cut and dry on my moral code and that it's not fair to everyone else. I just don't know how to interpret his communicative behavior, it frustrates the hell out of me.

No,he's the only leo I've ever ever gotten close to. he wowed me In so many ways, and scared me in many ways. And if he would have admitted to his lies I would have been willing to keep trying, dumb as I know that would be, considering his behavior over the past couple weeks. But when we both knew he was lying and I put the proof in front of him, he would do anything to convince me to stay with him EXCEPT tell me the truth. With how much I value truth in a relationship, and I made him aware of that, he still kept lying through his teeth. That hurt me. And I truly don't understand it. I'm trying to learn why he did it, and so far what I've been getting is that it's harmless and wasn't meant to hurt me, which I can understand on some level, but not enough that I can sympathize

"And if he would have admitted to his lies"

But this is about you being right. You'll learn how to be less abrasive about truth. If his truth isn't hurting you then there is no reason to throw it up in his face.

He doesn't owe you the truth, his past is HIS and if he doesn't want to share the dark stuff then he shouldn't have to. We young Aquas are sticklers for truth and honesty and truthfully there is nothing wrong with it to some extent. It's wrong when your goal is to prove him wrong and needle him into telling/admitting the truth.

Had you thought for one second he may not want to share that information with you and it's his right to not do that then you may not have lost him so quickly.

I get it though, a liar is a liar. Shouldn't there be some exceptions?

His truth wasn't any of your business and that's the part you cannot accept. He did not owe you the truth. 2 weeks in and you're demanding him to apologize for being wrong well in his world he was not wrong, he just didn't trust you enough to tell you what he wasn't ready to reveal.

If his truth isn't effecting you and your life then why the hell do you care so much? You already had your mind set from other peoples view that something was wrong with him. You set out to prove your family/friends right and you did that.

No one owes you anything, not even the truth.

To be clear I am not saying you're wrong for dumping him but not everyone is going to reveal everything about themselves right away. I'm surprised the Leo didn't ROAR at you for digging into his personal business and throwing it up in his face. Who does that after 2 weeks of dating?

I suppose I wouldn't have minded it if he hadn't tried so hard to make everyone I knew believe it as soon as they would listen. Honestly, he embarrassed me. Because NOBODY believed it. And he'd shove it in my family and friends faces, but when we were around his family, not a word. Maybe it isn't my business what his past is, and quite frankly I don't care what his past is unless it involves violent crime convictions or children. Just don't rub what you want your past to be in my face and expect me to be happy about it! I never did think of it in that light, that his past is not my business, because I always tell people all the things I think they might find unsavory upfront before we enter into anything even remotely resembling serious. But I have to admit, my expecting honesty did me no favors. I guess I just expected him to tell me when he was comfortable, not make something up in the meantime. And for me, saying "we're in a relationship" means I trust the person, I suppose I'll have to relax my expectations...which will involve a lot of bullet biting

We were "talking" since January, we went on a couple dates before he move away. I also felt very uncomfortable with how fast he wanted to take things once we decided we were official, which definitely hurt my ability to cope with his shenanigans

It does. Thanks everyone! I do feel a lot better now, it seemed like such an affront up until hearing from you guys. And I was aware of my heightened expectations...I spent the majority of the last 6 years of my life with a pisces and he backed down to everything he thought I might have given him a dirty look for (equally frustrating, and no I never hit him lol). I think its about time I learned something new 🙂

He said he worked for blackwater security, which even when it was blackwater, I happen to know they havent done the sort of things he was claiming to have been doing for a long time. Basically, he as trying to tell me he was one of their top agents, when the whole north Korea thing started he was trying to get me to beg him to not go on some mission to assassinate their top guy, I have no idea how to spell his name. It's not the lies, I saw right through them. What offended me was being lied to, and having little lies pile on top of the initial lies and its like the more I questioned him the worse they got. I told him many times that he didn't need to impress me, that I didn't believe his stories, that if I caught him in a lie I was done, and told him that I cared about him, not what he was before we met. Also he tried to cover up a relationship, which he was very sloppy about (hence the Facebook proof) and then tried to say he'd ended it in January, when I had seen posts halfway through April back and forth between them referring to themselves as a couple. I didn't care that he'd had a girlfriend, I knew he'd left her for me and I wasn't worried about him cheating...she's a 7 hour drive away. I just wasnt willing to believe that if someone loved me the way he said he did that they'd make things up and cover things up like that. I should have labeled the thread differently, I really didn't mean to imply I thought all leos lie, I was just looking for insight into the behavior because I've never had to deal with it, and I was still angry when I started the thread.

And all that bad storytellers in the last two weeks...let's just say I've had more than my fair share of nonsense to last me a lifetime

Stupid kindle spellchecker...all the bad STUFF ^

Oh sorry, I was referring to the gun/beating up of exes/defacing property behavior

Yeah, I'd say so. It was kinda a situation where if he couldn't at least come clean with me about those things, then I had to get him out of my life before I got too involved (even though I knew he was a Terrible choice anyway). There was just too much wrong

LOL@Blackwater. That's hilarious! A lot of love fraud guys pretend to be in the military or engaged in some secret operation no one can verify the validity of. Can be harmless if you don't believe it but there are lots of women out there that believe this kind of phony lie and get swindled financially and emotionally. Given no one believed him well it's harmless, least it is IMHO.

The red flag for me is him lying about the other woman. If he could do her that way, dump her for you. He can easily dump you for somebody else, his moral conduct is questionable.

I believe you di the best thing Jet. So many people out there lying and swindling and conning women financially and emotionally because a lot of women are easy targets. He may be harmless but whose to really know if he's harmless or not, better to be safe than sorry.

Hi!
I am a virgo with gemini moon (More air than earth in my chart), I put up with my leo's ex boyfriend bossy commands then one day I exploded and called him off, things I learned:

- A leo man will never admit it was his fault
- He will turn it around on you and give you the BIGGEST guilt trip of your life
- He will try to win you back but becareful cuz its not sincere, once he has you back HE will break up with you, they hate to loose and they hate when you break up with them
- He will run and start dating ASAP, anything to get you off his mind, the do not work on the relationship they replace
- They are not forgiving, their egos do not allow it

My best advice is to hold your ground, I fell for it all and he only played with me and dumped me after.

Nice list



Thanks! but I don't want to be categorized as a typical virgo who only points flaws. I must say I've dated Aries, Capricorn, Libra, Sagittarius, and Pisces and NONE of them compared to what I lived with a Leo, when a leo loves he is in there for reals, that is why I put up with the negative traits but this is what I liked about him:

- Gave me so much attention
- Wined and Dined me
- So much fun! Every date was out of this world and happened often
- Made me part of his world
- I was his priority
- Went above and beyond to please me
- Such a sensual lover, and best sex ever!

That is why I am so heartbroken and if he would come back I would take him back. But sadly the downfall is their ego and once you bruise it, you will see the bad side of it. I am still hopeful he will get over me leaving him and come back.

In your case though too many red flags and although the reason why you broke up is not enough in my eyes to pack and leave, the rest of the red flags are valid reasons to leave, sounds like he would be violent!

Posted by Jynja
Sigh.

Virgo, your list is actually quite wrong. I know you're hurt, but

- Leo man is very forgiving. In fact, some people say Leos can be naive and blindly trusting. If he's hurt, all you have to do is admit your fault and promise not to do it again. It works well with a majority of Leos.

- Contrary to your belief, your man did not replace you. In fact, what you may think is him moving on might not be that at all... it may merely be some harmless flirting or a friendship. We work on relationships a lot - sometimes, I wonder if our loyalty and dedication is not just a cross to carry because there is always some kind of prospect out there for us. It's just that way, but we work hard to keep a relationship going because we're fiercely protective and loving of the people we choose as partners.

- As for winning you back to break up, it seems some Leo men will do this, indeed. Most of the time though, we just move on.

- And on the guilt trip, most men (regardless of sign) can send a person on a guilt trip to try to turn a situation to their favor - it's not an exclusive Leo thing.

Usually, the best way to bring a sore subject up to a Leo is to fill his stomach, give him a back massage and fill his head with compliments... then you start ticking off the worries on your list...."Ah, I love how you wine and dine me every Tuesday, but I won't wash your socks again till you stop ordering me about like a maid... but I'll always wash your hair because it's gorgeous."

lol But I hope you get it. 🙂

I apologized countless times believe me, I even cried and this man said that he couldn't forgive me. I love the way that you told me how to address a leo male, I am so in love with him and I would go back for a second try on a heart beat. As a virgo we also do a lot for out partners I guess that is why I am hurt. I was there for him unconditional, gave him lots of attention, cooked for him, cared for him, and I know as a lover I have a lot to offer and we had so much fun together that is why I cannot believe its over after our first fight. I just hope he gets over it and he comes back, and I will use your strategy next time!

Aww ty Jynja you are so nice, and I am so sorry you were going through that time. I would apologize in public out of love since I do not have an ego, but sadly I've called him, emailed him, and I even tried to go and talk to him and he has been adamant and said he cannot get over it. My last approach is to just remove myself from his life completely and see if he misses me, I have not contacted him in a month. But if I am given the opportunity I will apologize infront of the people I caused (My brother and his girlfriend). Hope he forgives me.

i caught my leo in a lie. i approached him on half of what i know was a lie and he talked his way out of it. but he could never explain away the other half.
will i approach him with that?
nope.
i am keeping it in my back pocket.
haphazardly, of course, because i have done my share of lying as well. hee hee...

Was reading the posts on this thread and it had my attention on Leo and lies. Some comments about Black Water and secret military ops was hilarious.

Personally in love, I find lies appalling. It isn't the fact that it is a small lie or big lie but the fact that someone actually thought they could "cheat me" (that's how my scorp father see's lies).
That feeling of being "cheated" is what I hate. Not so much the lie. And it is even more hurtful when it is from someone you share everything with and love with all your heart. Especially when I know someone is lying.

That being said, I understand why she would send him packing.

I am currently with a leo woman who lies constantly. Some are BIG some are small. What I do when she lies, is play along. Then I try to sympathize with her situation and hold her and tell her that I love her no matter what. I do this in hopes that next time she will open up, but the opposite happens.

She takes it as "it is how it is supposed to be." When I tried calling her out, she gets vulgar and starts making a scene in front of everyone to make me look like a fool.

Ironically on her PM's that she constantly uses behind my back, she always says:

"I want you to tell me about yourself, because people lie a lot on the net...."
"I call blue, blue."

My question to my fellow Leo's..... Is not lowering your ego and pride worth it for someone you love.
Or do you believe that the World owes you a service....

Truly other facts in someones chart play a role, but when there is a problem with a sign and you get complaints like this about people of your sun sign, it is to better understand, why.

I would do the same for my sign as well so you too could better understand "why."

ALPHA