Push//Pull

Saw this little ditty today from an astrologer, it made me laugh cause it reminded me of me Leo...

Loves you-Loves you not, turned on by you-not turned on by you, demanding things-could care less
Welcome to love with #Leo

Frustrating as all hell, and no matter what he does to me, I keep going back. It's most likely my dumbass self, but sometimes I'd like to think it's just the natural Leo attraction and magnetism.

Posted by SyntheticAnesthetic

Loves you-Loves you not, turned on by you-not turned on by you, demanding things-could care less

Frustrating as all hell, and no matter what he does to me, I keep going back. It's most likely my dumbass self, but sometimes I'd like to think it's just the natural Leo attraction and magnetism.

Maybe you need to ask yourself why you keep going back to someone who does not treat you well. I don't think it's magnetism but something else.

Here's a hint....Look within. People only do to you what you allow them to.

I know sometimes you have been sheathed on here but I like you and think you deserve better. However, it matters none what I think...but rather what you think.

Lastly, it is could not care less. If you could care less then the statement doesn't make any sense. 🙂

Posted by SyntheticAnesthetic
Saw this little ditty today from an astrologer, it made me laugh cause it reminded me of me Leo...

Loves you-Loves you not

Syntehtic are you still mixed up with this Leo man, you need to take a very long time away from him and stir your Aries fire again, you're very beautiful and warm and should know that you deserve love and respect from your man all of the time, remember something, players only love you when they're playing.

Wow as an Aries you are a strong independent creative person you dont need to anything like this and am surprised you would put up with it.

'If you wanna push, than I'm ready to push
But if you pulling while I'm pushing
Then why did you ask me to push?'

I keep telling him to leave me alone, f*** off, and he keeps coming back, of course I'm not really helping by always going back when he calls. He always sounds sincere, he cries, he's overwhelmed with his life, so many problems and me being the person that I am, want to help, but it never helps.
It turns into him being a total ass, pushing me away again, and again, and again. He tells me horrible things, then expects me to forget them the next time he comes around.

It's stupid of me, my heart cares, but my brain is screaming to run away forever. I can't get them to cooperate with one another.

It's a super long story, it's I love you, I hate you, I have feelings for you, I don't care about you at all, I want to be with you, I don't want a relationship, Do you love me? Don't have feelings for me cause I don't have em back...it's never ending. It drives me mad.
I don't know what is real.

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Posted by SyntheticAnesthetic
Saw this little ditty today from an astrologer, it made me laugh cause it reminded me of me Leo...

Loves you-Loves you not

Syntehtic are you still mixed up with this Leo man, you need to take a very long time away from him and stir your Aries fire again, you're very beautiful and warm and should know that you deserve love and respect from your man all of the time, remember something, players only love you when they're playing.

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Thank you so much, it really does mean a lot to me to hear such nice things. I appreciate your comments, and I wish I could come give you a hug. xoxo

Posted by sugaries
Is this really a zodiac trait? Because I see women asking this question on all of the boards. "Oh, it's the Cancer push/pull", "It's the Scorpio back and forth" "Sagittarius cat-and-mouse"...seen it on the Virgo board too. and Pisces.

So, genuinely asking...are there placements or aspects that make people play these head games?

I think it's a bit of both.. but mostly the women. I'll admit to being confused with some of the Aquarius, Virgo, and Pisces traits.. I just don't verbalize them as much onto the boards.

Hi all, that's my Achilles heel right there; just saying 😉

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I keep telling him to leave me alone, f*** off, and he keeps coming back, of course I'm not really helping by always going back when he calls. He always sounds sincere, he cries, he's overwhelmed with his life, so many problems and me being the person that I am, want to help, but it never helps.
It turns into him being a total ass, pushing me away again, and again, and again. He tells me horrible things, then expects me to forget them the next time he comes around.

It's stupid of me, my heart cares, but my brain is screaming to run away forever. I can't get them to cooperate with one another.

It's a super long story, it's I love you, I hate you, I have feelings for you, I don't care about you at all, I want to be with you, I don't want a relationship, Do you love me? Don't have feelings for me cause I don't have em back...it's never ending. It drives me mad.
I don't know what is real.

Wow that's the same thing I went thru w my last Leo...

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I'm so sorry, how did you get out of it? It seems like nothing I do works, trying to be nice and go along with it, telling him to go away, reasoning, nothing works. It feels like I'm going to be on this merry go round forever

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I keep telling him to leave me alone, f*** off, and he keeps coming back, of course I'm not really helping by always going back when he calls. He always sounds sincere, he cries, he's overwhelmed with his life, so many problems and me being the person that I am, want to help, but it never helps.
It turns into him being a total ass, pushing me away again, and again, and again. He tells me horrible things, then expects me to forget them the next time he comes around.

It's stupid of me, my heart cares, but my brain is screaming to run away forever. I can't get them to cooperate with one another.

It's a super long story, it's I love you, I hate you, I have feelings for you, I don't care about you at all, I want to be with you, I don't want a relationship, Do you love me? Don't have feelings for me cause I don't have em back...it's never ending. It drives me mad.
I don't know what is real.

My ex Leo did that. You need to cut all ties and not contact him, even to tell him to NOT contact you. I was about to file a restraining order before he finally stopped after years of harassment without any words from me.

Posted by Huntress

Posted by SyntheticAnesthetic
I keep telling him to leave me alone, f*** off, and he keeps coming back, of course I'm not really helping by always going back when he calls. He always sounds sincere, he cries, he's overwhelmed with his life, so many problems and me being the person that I am, want to help, but it never helps.
It turns into him being a total ass, pushing me away again, and again, and again. He tells me horrible things, then expects me to forget them the next time he comes around.

It's stupid of me, my heart cares, but my brain is screaming to run away forever. I can't get them to cooperate with one another.

It's a super long story, it's I love you, I hate you, I have feelings for you, I don't care about you at all, I want to be with you, I don't want a relationship, Do you love me? Don't have feelings for me cause I don't have em back...it's never ending. It drives me mad.
I don't know what is real.

My ex Leo did that. You need to cut all ties and not contact him, even to tell him to NOT contact you. I was about to file a restraining order before he finally stopped after years of harassment without any words from me.

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I did tell him to never talk to me again, but I guess since I always answer when he calls, my threats are empty. I need some more balls.

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I keep telling him to leave me alone, f*** off, and he keeps coming back, of course I'm not really helping by always going back when he calls. He always sounds sincere, he cries, he's overwhelmed with his life, so many problems and me being the person that I am, want to help, but it never helps.
It turns into him being a total ass, pushing me away again, and again, and again. He tells me horrible things, then expects me to forget them the next time he comes around.

It's stupid of me, my heart cares, but my brain is screaming to run away forever. I can't get them to cooperate with one another.

It's a super long story, it's I love you, I hate you, I have feelings for you, I don't care about you at all, I want to be with you, I don't want a relationship, Do you love me? Don't have feelings for me cause I don't have em back...it's never ending. It drives me mad.
I don't know what is real.

My ex Leo did that. You need to cut all ties and not contact him, even to tell him to NOT contact you. I was about to file a restraining order before he finally stopped after years of harassment without any words from me.

I did tell him to never talk to me again, but I guess since I always answer when he calls, my threats are empty. I need some more balls.

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No, no sweetheart... you need less heart.

I think that's the wall that all of us find ourselves running into..

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I keep telling him to leave me alone, f*** off, and he keeps coming back, of course I'm not really helping by always going back when he calls. He always sounds sincere, he cries, he's overwhelmed with his life, so many problems and me being the person that I am, want to help, but it never helps.
It turns into him being a total ass, pushing me away again, and again, and again. He tells me horrible things, then expects me to forget them the next time he comes around.

It's stupid of me, my heart cares, but my brain is screaming to run away forever. I can't get them to cooperate with one another.

It's a super long story, it's I love you, I hate you, I have feelings for you, I don't care about you at all, I want to be with you, I don't want a relationship, Do you love me? Don't have feelings for me cause I don't have em back...it's never ending. It drives me mad.
I don't know what is real.

My ex Leo did that. You need to cut all ties and not contact him, even to tell him to NOT contact you. I was about to file a restraining order before he finally stopped after years of harassment without any words from me.

I did tell him to never talk to me again, but I guess since I always answer when he calls, my threats are empty. I need some more balls.

No, no sweetheart... you need less heart.

I think that's the wall that all of us find ourselves running into..

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I wish I knew how to have less heart, I'm so overly giving and emotional when it comes to him, I feel like I'm totally out of control of my own brain/body etc...he's like a drug.
Help 😢

awwww....while i don't really identify with your situation, i know this man's had a hold on you for a long time now. i don't think you need help with this though cos you know how things are gonna go with him...same old, same old.

the only thing that will stop things perpetuating is if you change your actions. all the time you cave in when he contacts you he knows he can do what he likes when he likes and you'll always be there and so yeah, like you said, you make empty threats.

simply stop being available to him and he'll start to believe you no longer need or want him in your life. that might not actually be the case from your point of view but if you want things to change between you, you have to provide the catalyst for change and the best way is to no longer be there when he comes crawling back.

it's not that you need to ask yourself how you feel about this man but more that he needs to find out for HIMSELF what you mean to HIM. you have to get him THINKING and that's not easy cos he's a bloke!!

Posted by R1g0rM0rT1s
awwww....while i don't really identify with your situation, i know this man's had a hold on you for a long time now. i don't think you need help with this though cos you know how things are gonna go with him...same old, same old.

the only thing that will stop things perpetuating is if you change your actions. all the time you cave in when he contacts you he knows he can do what he likes when he likes and you'll always be there and so yeah, like you said, you make empty threats.

simply stop being available to him and he'll start to believe you no longer need or want him in your life. that might not actually be the case from your point of view but if you want things to change between you, you have to provide the catalyst for change and the best way is to no longer be there when he comes crawling back.

it's not that you need to ask yourself how you feel about this man but more that he needs to find out for HIMSELF what you mean to HIM. you have to get him THINKING and that's not easy cos he's a bloke!!

I think its gotten past that point - enough is enough.

It just seems like you're really hurting from this to the extreme.. And you're better than that.. you deserve happiness WITHOUT having to sacrifice your emotions and sanity to gain a mere ounce of it!

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awwww....while i don't really identify with your situation, i know this man's had a hold on you for a long time now. i don't think you need help with this though cos you know how things are gonna go with him...same old, same old.

the only thing that will stop things perpetuating is if you change your actions. all the time you cave in when he contacts you he knows he can do what he likes when he likes and you'll always be there and so yeah, like you said, you make empty threats.

simply stop being available to him and he'll start to believe you no longer need or want him in your life. that might not actually be the case from your point of view but if you want things to change between you, you have to provide the catalyst for change and the best way is to no longer be there when he comes crawling back.

it's not that you need to ask yourself how you feel about this man but more that he needs to find out for HIMSELF what you mean to HIM. you have to get him THINKING and that's not easy cos he's a bloke!!

I think its gotten past that point - enough is enough.

It just seems like you're really hurting from this to the extreme.. And you're better than that.. you deserve happiness WITHOUT having to sacrifice your emotions and sanity to gain a mere ounce of it!

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I am, It was worse before, now I'm kind of numb, I think I've just accepted it rather than end it.
I don't want my life to go on like this forever, but it's like there's some weird pull to him that I can't escape.
I wish Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless mind was real. 😢

Oh sweetheart.....

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check it out and see if its accurate for you cuz its for me

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Kinda, I mean...he's been ...I dunno, he has a lot of issues and needs to really mature, I think if he wasn't so messed up in the head, he'd be a really awesome person.

What are his placements?

Libra Moon
Gemini Ascendant
Cancer Venus
Leo Mercury

The push/pull usually comes from Moon Square Venus which your partner has. Moon Square Venus is the epitome of push/pull in a male's chart. That is why so many women blog about it and the males have various Sun signs.

Your Leo??s Libra Moon is probably in his 5th house and his Cancer Venus is probably in his 2nd. There's no way to know with the little information you posted. I'm thinking the main problems he is having is family issues and money issues (mainly because of the house and secondly the signs but, this is really supposed to be interpreted by transits). I'm thinking that would send a Moon Libra Cancer Venus off the deep edge. The push/pull is probably exemplified whatever issues he's facing but, push/pull will always be there unless his decides to confront his internal conflicts. There's nothing you can do for this that will benefit you.

The conflict is detachment versus intimacy. Libra Moons are notorious for being indecisive so that just makes matters worse. Some would say that a Libra Moon is characteristic of push/pull by itself.

There's also a masculine/feminine dynamic here between Libra/Cancer. He wants your nurturing and care on one hand but, on the other hand, he may feel that the scales are imbalanced as a result. He may feel that you are mothering him, whether true or not, when you attempt to help. But, what he wants is partnering which is a fine line and hard for him to balance. He feels too vulnerable in a feminine way. He may always feel this way and whatever difficulties he's facing compound the issues. Your synastry can also add to this.

Libra wants a balance in whatever placement and house it is in (or to hide behind it). I call it tit-for-tat, coined phrase from my Libra Mother. My Leo hubby has Moon Cancer Square Venus Libra, 4th/7th houses being an Aries Ascendant most of his placements are art home. But, I was so annoyed by his —tit-for-tat?? approach to our relationship with his Libra 7th house. Some would say —tit-for-tat?? is give and take. He may feel his is taking more than giving and lashes out on you emotionally. I had to beat into his head everything can't be equal all the time. You can only hope that it will equal out before we die. It's easier to commit to working things out once you are in a committed relationship. At this point, sticking by him may never prove fruitful so, you would be loving him altruistically.

Here's an article about Moon Square Venus in a man??s chart http://sasstrology.com/2012/06/astrology-truth-or-myth-moon-square-venus-means-a-lifetime-of-unsatisfying-relationships.html but, it may not make you feel any better as this is a personal conflict that he has to resolve within himself.

The article is very general but I'm posting it so that you know it's a prominent issue.

Holy crap, wow thanks so much for taking the time to help me out with the placements and chart stuff, I appreciate it a lot.
HIs Moon is in the 5th house and his Venus in the 3rd, so you were very close.

The family and money issues are DEAD on...he has no job right now (he may have gotten one in the 3 weeks we haven't spoken, don't know) but he has court issues, child support issues, car issues, etc...
He has called me mom a handful of times when trying to help and also knows he takes way more than he gives.

Yeah I really want to just get away from him, but there's some damn pull. I want it to stop.

As for me my moon is in Scorpio and pretty much everything else is in Aries

You're welcome Ram,

Yep, 5th house children/family... and 2nd house money.

See, Libra and Cancer are relational, interdependent...and Aries is "self"/independent. We like to and most often can stand alone. It's our destiny. With all that Aries in your chart Lord knows how many oppositions/squares are forming to that Libra Moon and Cancer Venus of his. And, let's not forget the Lion's pride.

As far as the article - Moon Square Venus. He probably want his mother to take the role that you are playing in his life and vice versa. My Leo was given up for adoption by his mother so, just imagine is Cancer Moon Square Venus Libra issues. To make a long story short, we got back together once his mother and he got back together.

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You're welcome Ram,

Yep, 5th house children/family... and *2nd house money.*

See, Libra and Cancer are relational, interdependent...and Aries is "self"/independent. We like to and most often can stand alone. It's our destiny. With all that Aries in your chart Lord knows how many oppositions/squares are forming to that Libra Moon and Cancer Venus of his. And, let's not forget the Lion's pride.

As far as the article - Moon Square Venus. He probably want his mother to take the role that you are playing in his life and vice versa. My Leo was given up for adoption by his mother so, just imagine is Cancer Moon Square Venus Libra issues. To make a long story short, we got back together once his mother and he got back together.

*Venus Money* but, I really just intuited.

He doesn't talk to his mom a lot, she and his father got divorced when he was 13, and he's been with his dad since. I know he has a lot of issues with both of them, and his sister, and as far as I know, he doesn't really talk to his brother either.

He thinks his mother doesn't want to help him or love him...he doesn't say too much about her really.

The weirdest thing...I was talking to his sister the other day, and she said she hasn't talked to him much in the past month either, but that he was spending every weekend with his mom and grandma...After the things you posted about the mother thing, I had to laugh a little, I dunno what's going on, but I think that's a good sign for him.

... and people think astrology isn't "real."

It does sound like he's making a turn for the better.

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... and people think astrology isn't "real."

It does sound like he's making a turn for the better.

It was just the weirdest thing, his mother never comes up, then you posted that and then that happened. Its all too odd. Ll are you psychic? :p

I did it, I deleted the Leo's phone number today.

It's been almost 2 months since we've spoken, the longest it's ever been since we met last April.
I feel free, but really sad. Kind of like I gave up.

And just like that...he contacts me, REALLY?

Posted by SyntheticAnesthetic
I keep telling him to leave me alone, f*** off, and he keeps coming back, of course I'm not really helping by always going back when he calls. He always sounds sincere, he cries, he's overwhelmed with his life, so many problems and me being the person that I am, want to help, but it never helps.
It turns into him being a total ass, pushing me away again, and again, and again. He tells me horrible things, then expects me to forget them the next time he comes around.

It's stupid of me, my heart cares, but my brain is screaming to run away forever. I can't get them to cooperate with one another.

It's a super long story, it's I love you, I hate you, I have feelings for you, I don't care about you at all, I want to be with you, I don't want a relationship, Do you love me? Don't have feelings for me cause I don't have em back...it's never ending. It drives me mad.
I don't know what is real.

Ok, this is going to be a lil Aries of me, by talking my stuff (me, me, me....sorry for this), but I read this above and its completely opposite with my Leo and I don't get it either. MY Leo says the most wonderful things about our future when we're together...or loves to recount how we met ("the movie scene", lol) most of it is so casual and not direct (so as to make me feel its bs), but so reaffirming and really gets me to dive in with my heart. I never question to much of it and just kinda go along and laugh a bit here and there...not in way that I don't believe him, just in a way that I'm not hung up on what he's saying as gospel (eventhough EVERY morsel is absorbed and recorded). He's never said one mean thing to me...in 8 mo.

THEN, THEN... it all falls apart when we're NOT together. He tells me he wants my help picking up his truck and I say sure. I put everything on hold that day and wait and I don't hear back from him for THREE days! And of course its not with an apology...just a casual comment/question! Plus he has only TWICE (the first two dates) EVER been able to set a date and time to meet..Its always vague..."later", "soon", etc. And I end up waiting around like an idiot. WTF?? I say I'm upset about something and wanna talk, he txts "ok, we'll talk babe" but then doesn't call or txt or anything.

This is the most bizzarre and hurtful behavior, especially when I've told him I'm feeling hurt or down about something and need a hug and he

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Hi Synthetic
I believe you need to go back to that Hot Aries woman you was when you & him first met! Find her again. Find that confidence & independence you have inside you again

Before you met him you wouldn't have put up with anything like this. You wouldn't let a man like this make you cry. The woman you was in the past knew she can have ANY man she want. She knew she deserve the best. She knew her worth! She would walk away from bad men.

Please know, Real love does not cause you cancer, it Heals you. It Frees you.

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Sorry to hear...ugh it seems like Aries and Leo will never get along, get it together no matter what the stars say. I hope it works out for you!

Posted by Jynja
Yes, really.

I've been wondering if this Leo guy hasn't been using you as his fallback plan. I mean, he can go for months and still contact you on your number and find you there... come around your house and find you single and moping? Hit your usual joint and find you by your lonesome?

Are you missing him? Were you hopeful he'd contact you? Do you think about him all the time?

Are you out living your life to the Arian fullest—

Did you ignore his call or text? Are you sleeping without crying...

Lets get it all out - maybe we can deal with it from there. 🙂

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You're exactly right, he is and I let him...every time.

I do, I do and yes...I sadly accepted his call.

There's something about him I can't resist, and I think I'm absolutely stupid when it comes to him, after 2 months, I wasn't over him but I was starting to feel a bit better, then he just came back full force and immediately started the BS.
I hate it, I hate it so much. I feel like I have no strength, I need help, so bad.

Posted by Gandalf


you must only see the ego side of a leo male. maybe he is like that .....maybe we are all like that?


but you have no idea about the passion we feel for a aries woman on the inside. If only you could see........

Show us then! By all means, SHOW US!!!

Thank you so much.
It only took him ONE day to start ignoring me again, one freakin day.
I can't keep doing this, it's not fair. I do so much for him and it's like it's nothing.

My heart needs to stop beating for him, and I must not let him back in.
I need so much help. I really don't know how to say no.