I think I hurt my Libra fwb

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Ok, first up... I need to know how to fix things, not hear what you all think of what I did. I know what I did and I feel bad. I need to hear a solution, not tongue lashings.

I have a younger Libra lover. He's about 10 years younger. we started sleeping together about a year ago and we'll go a few weeks and sometimes even a month or two without seeing each other. we've never said we're exclusive and we have made a deal to have safe sex at all times with other people.

In august last year, I started seeing someone and i put things on ice with Libra because of how i felt about the Leo. Libra still wanted to have sex with me regardless. I stuck to my guns and wouldn't until Leo and I called it quits in December.

When Libra got back from vacation in Jan, we started things up again. We have had several beefs in between because he'll pull a sudden disappearing act on me when we've made plans... and all round, I just felt like he didn't really give a shit if I hooked up with another guy because of how detached and cool he's always seemed to be.

We have been talking about having a threesome and we found another lady, who has become my lady lover, who has also been asking me for a threesome (she's lib/scorp cusper). He has known about her from the beginning and has always seemed cool with it too.

Anyway. He has been asking when the threeway is gonna happen and last week he said he wants to see me on friday night, and i said yes. friday morning comes and i ask him what the plan is and i get.... nothing... disappearing act, the whole day. no replies to my messages at all. then she invited me out with her and another guy she met (also a Libra!) and i went... having seen a pic of this guy and thought of a threesome with him too. I told my young Libra male lover it looked like it was going to happen, and if he wanted to join in and make it a foursome, then he was still invited. NOTHING in response.

Until like 9:30pm on Friday night when he phones me and wants to know what I'm doing. I tell him the three of us are out, and it looks like 3way is def on and he's still invited to make it a fourway. I asked him if he'd rather not and keep the two girls to himself one night and again he seemed cool with what was going on ans said "whatever is on the menu is cool... I'll let you know in the next half hour if I'm coming."
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Again, nothing... disappearing act, even though I try call him twice to find out if he's coming.

So the threesome happens with the other two without him.

Last night he calls me at about 11:30pm drunk, and wants to know what I'm doing. So I tell him, I'm home in bed. Then he asks me how my threesome was, and I say it was lots of fun and that it would have been even better if he was there to enjoy it too.

Then he starts going off at me about not wanting to be near another guy's penis and how he is in love with my vagina and the fact that another penis has been in my vagina has broken him!?

I was like, I ASKED YOU IF YOU WERE DOWN WITH IT AND YOU SAID "whatever is on the menu is cool!"

He went off at me for half an hour saying he loves having sex with me and he doesn't want any other penises near my vagina!

But he's asking really painful questions too... like "was his dick bigger than mine, and did he make you orgasm and did he do you better than I do you—??" All of which I told him the truthful answer to: NO!

He started telling me he feels he can't trust me anymore, even though I have been open and honest with him about everything, and then he told me I must lie to him instead because he just doesn't want to know about other penises near my vagina!

Then he starts saying he think we must call it quits because he thinks I'll be thinking about "that other homie's cock" next time I'm with him and that it will just kill him if I'm thinking about someone else when I'm having sex with him. Not that I would... he gets my full attention when we're together. I really enjoy him!
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Posted by tiziani
Not really much you can do. When someone doesn't trust you that's their decision. You can't fix the way someone thinks or their communication skills.



If I leave the situation at that text message I sent this morning, do you think (as far as Libra tendancies go) he will cool down and take some time to weigh things up on his own (to which i can likely experience a lengthy disappearing act from him, I am sure!) and possibly come around to accepting my sincere apology and forgive my wrong doing?
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I like the arrangement we have. we get along, and it's convenient, and he makes me orgasm several times a night... something no other guy has ever done. He needs to stick around a bit longer. The good part of me wants to show him he can trust me.

The spiritual part of me wants to start exploring tantric sex and he's not spiritual and I would need to find someone else for that.

It's a tough decision.

I don't mind only sleeping with him... with regards to getting my orgasms and having awesome sex, but I'm in such a growth spurt spiritually right now too and I really want to learn to connect with another soul through tantra too... initially it might not include sex, but eventually it will get there.
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Posted by tiziani
I'm merely giving my interpretation as a man, if it were me on the receiving end of those messages. I'm not saying that's what you intended to say, but as you know men and women rarely speak the same language - so perception is everything.



You are right there! Shit!
This isn't an emotional situation at all I think... even from his side. I think he may have got attached to sex with me, but he was also going on about how he loves his penis a lot too and that's probably why he doesn't want other penises near me... because he wants a healthy penis for the rest of his life. Makes sense.
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lotus 🙂 you make me *twosome* sex life sound dull 😄 ~ although Scorp and Aries are far from that, you are much braver than i am

i must be terribly old fashioned...i have to be in love with the guy

your life sounds a whole lotta FUN!!

ENJOY! 😄



Thanks! I will!
I'm not really interested in love, so I am a bit of a hedonist... I blame my planets! 😉 I'm an intensely sexual creature with those placements.
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Posted by djbuck1
LL, I think that you are so wrapped up in what YOU want that you are missing the message. Tiziani is trying to explain some key concepts to you which are barely registering with you.

You want him back but to keep on with exactly what you are doing.

He is saying that he doesn't want that. What he does want is not clear.

Both of you need to have an honest discussion about boundaries and limits. If you want to continue with this guy, you are going to have to make some compromises, not just reassure him that he's on your mind while some other male is fucking you.



I hear ya... and I'm totally cool with just having him around for sex. I just wish he told me clearly and not waited until something like this happened for him to explode and want to call things off. Like I said... my decision would have been completely different if he had just been straight with me.

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LL, I think that you are so wrapped up in what YOU want that you are missing the message. Tiziani is trying to explain some key concepts to you which are barely registering with you.

You want him back but to keep on with exactly what you are doing.

He is saying that he doesn't want that. What he does want is not clear.

Both of you need to have an honest discussion about boundaries and limits. If you want to continue with this guy, you are going to have to make some compromises, not just reassure him that he's on your mind while some other male is fucking you.



I hear ya... and I'm totally cool with just having him around for sex. I just wish he told me clearly and not waited until something like this happened for him to explode and want to call things off. Like I said... my decision would have been completely different if he had just been straight with me.



Okay. Fair. He should have spoken up. But now he has. Clearly, the discussion has to take place, and this time he needs to be fully forthcoming and honest. If he's not, and this happens again, then there will never be a resolution-- short of ending with him.
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I agree. Let's hope he wants to give our arrangement another go in order for said discussion to take place. I will let him disappear for a while though to internalise in peace.
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Ok 🙂 Sometimes waiting is hard lol. Sounds like you are having a TON of fun though!!!!

I'm JEALOUS!!!! 😛



Yeah... it's all fun and games until someone loses an eye right??



Yes lol...that's the way I think as well haha. I love the whole 3some thing. I know that I could get weird though if my bf is participating LOL. It's best if I am the "other woman" (I trust myself to behave appropriately no matter what goes down) or just female only. I don't get jealous at all over women.
You wouldn't get jealous if it was you, the leeb and another woman? Not even a little bit? Sometimes a little bit of jealousy can be good: mind stimulation 😛
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Not at all... We were supposed to have a threesome with the leeb/scorp cusper... and hope we still can. I was more than down with it. also down with a random other woman and him...
With me, it's kinda like the more, the merrier!
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Not at all... We were supposed to have a threesome with the leeb/scorp cusper... and hope we still can. I was more than down with it. also down with a random other woman and him...
With me, it's kinda like the more, the merrier!



Seems like he feels differently than you do...
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Yeah... I figured that one out last night!
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What a hole load of horse ahit, Lotuslily

You did nothing wrong here, first off the libra try'd to control the situation, and it didn't work, he wanted you to sit on ur azz and what for him to decide if he wanted to join you or not , which in fact he already decided that he wasn't trust me, case and point he asked how was the threesome, and the fact that you told him it was great pissed him off, cause now he in fact knows that you will just do you own thing and won't wait for him, which is what u should be doing

Now the libra wants to act like a relationship, when you guys are suppose to be FWB

There is no explaining of any kind when you are FWB, HELLO, if he wants a relationship, make that clear, cause now this libra is running a cycle to re balance himself, and the fact that you let him get you like this means you fail the test

Now your back to square 1 with the disappearing act and the no txt on time shit, get it together honey, ur in a cycle with this libra trying to get control in his libra fashion
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What a hole load of horse ahit, Lotuslily

You did nothing wrong here, first off the libra try'd to control the situation, and it didn't work, he wanted you to sit on ur azz and what for him to decide if he wanted to join you or not , which in fact he already decided that he wasn't trust me, case and point he asked how was the threesome, and the fact that you told him it was great pissed him off, cause now he in fact knows that you will just do you own thing and won't wait for him, which is what u should be doing

Now the libra wants to act like a relationship, when you guys are suppose to be FWB

There is no explaining of any kind when you are FWB, HELLO, if he wants a relationship, make that clear, cause now this libra is running a cycle to re balance himself, and the fact that you let him get you like this means you fail the test

Now your back to square 1 with the disappearing act and the no txt on time shit, get it together honey, ur in a cycle with this libra trying to get control in his libra fashion



I LIKE IT!! what she said ^^

The thought did cross my mind. I do however need to make sure i get on good terms with him asap again though. He knows loads of the same people I do and I would hate this story to come out with me as the villain! The scandal!!! I cringe.
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I'm telling you, you did nothing wrong, I have a libra boyfriend, and the dumb shit I had to go through to get him balance was some shit, believe me on that, your libra was in- balance when u went, that knocked him out, he thought he knew u, but u surprised him, he is now in think mode, which is not good for you, because now he has to balance back and gain libra controll, and YES libras get jealous, here's the trick, that libra charm will get ya, but u have to catch it, he got logically emotional on you, how? When he started telling you to compare between him and another man, then he went into details that he wanted from you to reassure him,

Which means explaining yourself, ummmm you are FWB, he knows that, which he got you to forget and play into your emotions, like we women sometimes do, then you send him a heart felt txt to benefit him, now u have no benefit cause he got u waiting on a txt back, now he knows your waiting trust me on that, re balance is in place ans now he will have a plan to get what he wants, and have you waiting, which you better it be doing, your an Aries

That ram will always go for what it wants then ask questions later, nothing wrong with that

Libras are a very good logical sign, it's all about the mind, think like this and if u can't your screwd with this cycle, libras are like chess in a Martha Stewart outfit, their plans always a a fail safe with a pretty bow on top, with a glass of wine, meaning he will have your azz on a plate and serve it back to u with a smile thanking u for playing
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Young libras are a whole new breed from evolved ones,

It's a different pro and con, if ur not hip to the tells that's giving, u will be trapped, we all fall for them, no one is perfect, we gotta learn sometime

But libras hate rejection with a passion, period, to cover there bases, or to gain balance the will put a plan in place to see what the other half is thinking, and if it doesn't balance out the way they hoped, they don't look like the bad guy, which is a libras worst nightmare, it takes pressure of u, and into the subject, simple plan really, with the libra protected without giving too much

One thing all libra have in common no matter what age, is that their mind is never checkers, it's chess
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At one point during his irrational "I'm seriously in love with your vagina" rant (yes, that's what I'm calling it!) I actually said to him that he's throwing a bunch of words together in an incoherent structure that have no grammatical meaning when the sentence is said and done. They were making no sense. In the end I told him that everything I was hearing was his issues and that he was having a conflict within himself over something and he needed to make up his mind what exactly he was trying to say.

I didn't want to be a bitch about the whole thing and say we're not dating, I can do what I want. So I just told him to calm down and that I didn't actually understand what I was hearing or what was going on.

I just knew he was angry with me for having the threesome without him, in amongst all the crazy "I don't want any other penises near your vagina" stuff. I think he was trying to get me to feel some sort of whore complex by saying "I can't believe you had some other random's penis inside you!"

But that shit doesn't work on me. I cracked the whore complex years ago.

Then my softer side was like underneath all anger is pain, and he is young, maybe he did get attached despite his cool and detached attitude most of the time. So I sent that text this morning.

So do you think he just wants out or do you think he's trying to get control?

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It's the sweet Libra control, yes it is, why do I say sweet? Because he's mind says u were not suppose to do anything without him first with that threesome, but he will not say that at all, he wants to know what u think, where is your mind at and he will put it into his database accordingly, its all about balance, libras think ahead, he thought ahead the moment u said u had another person in place of this event, I would tell u more but it won't seem real if I tell u what to do, cause he will know, u have to be yourself no matter what the Libra is doing, but u must have a backbone also, and if Ur not ready for what he hands out, u will repeat this cycle
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LOL!!! This so funny now!
It's happened before with us too... before we hooked up the first time. He'd been mailing me and flirting with me non stop and we bumped into each other at a party and I wanted to get frisky with him in a dark corner somewhere and he got all cocky with me saying he wants to drink beer first and I must wait until later. I tried my luck a few more times with him that night and same thing. I had to wait for him. Eventually I got pissed off and i thought "fuck this for a bad joke!" And left, went to another party and hooked up with a scorp. In the car on the way to the scorp's house, he phoned me wanting to know where I was. I told him I left and he could hear the scorp talking in the back ground.

He said "I guess I messed up!"

All I said back was "Yup!"and went and had a blast with the scorp.

Then he got in touch like a week later and started turning on the charm again...

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I don't think he wants out tho, nothing he stated says that, he wants to know what u think, but to tell u the truth here, the FWB is just a test, I know some libra out there is pissed off at me, but um yes FWB with libras never ever ever work out, why, and this is just my2 cents here, but when a libra is interested, but doesn't want to get hurt, they put the FWB card to see what u think, in the begining it's great, a firm of a trail bases, why ? Because he is protected, but he had a tell about he's feeling during the sex act, which I guess u didn't figure out, but he could have swore u knew, so he kept up the act of FWB, to keep u at bay, or what must people state as a string, it's a relationship without the title, but u screwd up when u sent the txt, why? Because u told him through txt that it's ok to keep u on a string when he gets upset if u do things without him and that u will wait.

So the emotion card he played on u worked and now he knows where u stand, which means FWB act is void, now u guys are gonna act like bf and gf games without being one, re read or think about the convo you had with him, read between the lines of what he asked u and tells u, and tell me he is not acting like a boyfriend
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Posted by tiziani
"So do you think he just wants out or do you think he's trying to get control?"


Most likely both.


As entertaining as it would be to pass all us Libras off as these big master schemers of chess, truth is everyone learns eventually to grow out of that and keep it simple (Aries style ). If he can't find that with you, he will move on to the point where he can at least find it with himself. Be it now or years down the line. It's not a game or anything dramatic. Dude just lost his cool.



Having followed his disappearing act pattern over the past 6 months, I've got to say I agree with TN on this one. Too often he's done this. Made hazy plans only to disappear on me and call me later that evening to see what I'm doing. I decided a while ago that if I haven't heard from him by 2pm on the day we're meant to meet up, I will make other plans. Sometimes I'll just feel like chilling and sometimes I'll go do something else. I don't know how he thought this would be any different.
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I don't think he wants out tho, nothing he stated says that, he wants to know what u think, but to tell u the truth here, the FWB is just a test, I know some libra out there is pissed off at me, but um yes FWB with libras never ever ever work out, why, and this is just my2 cents here, but when a libra is interested, but doesn't want to get hurt, they put the FWB card to see what u think, in the begining it's great, a firm of a trail bases, why ? Because he is protected, but he had a tell about he's feeling during the sex act, which I guess u didn't figure out, but he could have swore u knew, so he kept up the act of FWB, to keep u at bay, or what must people state as a string, it's a relationship without the title, but u screwd up when u sent the txt, why? Because u told him through txt that it's ok to keep u on a string when he gets upset if u do things without him and that u will wait.

So the emotion card he played on u worked and now he knows where u stand, which means FWB act is void, now u guys are gonna act like bf and gf games without being one, re read or think about the convo you had with him, read between the lines of what he asked u and tells u, and tell me he is not acting like a boyfriend



All I can do when I read your messages at the end is just laugh! I got off the phone and thought, why the fuck does he sound like a jealous boyfriend??

Come on... give us a clue... what's his next move after my text? I have no intention of chasing him... especially if this is a power struggle. I also thought he has no clue how easy it is for me to find another lover... BUT HIS CHARM made me think... awe... he's so sweet tho... I like spending time with him... plus he makes me orgasm which not everyone else knows how to do: I have taught him well, let me keep him around rather. It would save random hook ups!

WHAT A SILLY GIRL!!!
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You see, I'm telling ya

This libra knows what he's doing

That charm well get ya, but u have to stay strong, cause that charm is no joke

He already made his next move, ur back at square 1, don't u see it, u keep failing the test he gives u, the reason I say test is because once a libra puts a plan in motion but only when they don't get there way, cause they won't put any plan out there if they get there way and they are happy, but anyway once the plan is in place to test u about where u stand with them and u fail, the disappearing act and the no txt is ur punishment, then when they feel u have been punish enough, the charm is in place to get ur feelings back where they want it, fail again, ur get punish again, then what do ya know, ur on a dam string, sound familiar ?
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But libras hate rejection with a passion, period



In this particular scenario, I'm struggling to comprehend how the Libra was rejected.
All the while he was fully aware of the relationship's(FWB)status & explicitly agreed upon the mutual acceptability of separate hookups w/protection. He could've just as easily declined and/or moved onward from the getgo, if the arrangement was indeed unsuitable.

Assuming this Libra reaps the benefits of sex with other partners & the OP is blatantly honest with him about doing the same; even inviting him along to participate in her own conquests, there are no "victims" in that equation. Only consenting, adult participants.

His case of butthurt is purely ego-driven, which I'm sure you're already aware of. 😛
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Never said he was rejected, just giving an example which I did clearly state where I was coming from with that sentence
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But libras hate rejection with a passion, period



In this particular scenario, I'm struggling to comprehend how the Libra was rejected.
All the while he was fully aware of the relationship's(FWB)status & explicitly agreed upon the mutual acceptability of separate hookups w/protection. He could've just as easily declined and/or moved onward from the getgo, if the arrangement was indeed unsuitable.

Assuming this Libra reaps the benefits of sex with other partners & the OP is blatantly honest with him about doing the same; even inviting him along to participate in her own conquests, there are no "victims" in that equation. Only consenting, adult participants.

His case of butthurt is purely ego-driven, which I'm sure you're already aware of. 😛
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The other day I said something about other girls and he came back and said "what other girls?" so i said "I hope you don't think you can't hook up with other girls, and in a way I kinda want you to so you will appreciate being in bed with me that much more..."

Then he said there had been no other girls because he wasn't interested or didn't have time."

that's why I believed his whole rant last night about him not wanting any other penises near my vagina... I just thought he was concerned about sexual health and that's why he didn't want me hooking up with anyone else.
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You see, I'm telling ya

This libra knows what he's doing

That charm well get ya, but u have to stay strong, cause that charm is no joke

He already made his next move, ur back at square 1, don't u see it, u keep failing the test he gives u, the reason I say test is because once a libra puts a plan in motion but only when they don't get there way, cause they won't put any plan out there if they get there way and they are happy, but anyway once the plan is in place to test u about where u stand with them and u fail, the disappearing act and the no txt is ur punishment, then when they feel u have been punish enough, the charm is in place to get ur feelings back where they want it, fail again, ur get punish again, then what do ya know, ur on a dam string, sound familiar ?



I've often thought he's such a little game player, which is why i decided to care less and not show he's annoyed me when he disappears and just do my own thing. It's all too familiar. it's like we both keep serving each other shots! haha... like tennis!
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LL, I think that you are so wrapped up in what YOU want that you are missing the message. Tiziani is trying to explain some key concepts to you which are barely registering with you.

You want him back but to keep on with exactly what you are doing.

He is saying that he doesn't want that. What he does want is not clear.

Both of you need to have an honest discussion about boundaries and limits. If you want to continue with this guy, you are going to have to make some compromises, not just reassure him that he's on your mind while some other male is fucking you.



I hear ya... and I'm totally cool with just having him around for sex. I just wish he told me clearly and not waited until something like this happened for him to explode and want to call things off. Like I said... my decision would have been completely different if he had just been straight with me.

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Unfortunately, this is how Libras roll. They just go along with something, regardless of how it may bother them. They bottle up and then explode out of nowhere, leaving you baffled.

This is why I said his insecurities are getting to him. The male side of him is getting possessive in this agreement and he's not liking the idea of you sleeping with anyone else anymore. The Libran side popped up when he started asking about the other guys. My ex did something semi similar the first few times we hooked up. He was asking me things like if he was better than the last guy that I was with, or if he was bigger, etc.
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Please read what I wrote, cause I'm not understating what the hell ur coming from



I read the post of yours that I quoted. My response wasn't so much directed at you/your situation; I ran with the statement on Libras vs. rejection as to illustrate my view on the thread topic. Not agreeing/disagreeing with your point(s) or your experience.

Sorry. I should've clarified.
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🙂 , no sweat,
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Posted by TaurusNikki
What a hole load of horse ahit, Lotuslily

You did nothing wrong here, first off the libra try'd to control the situation, and it didn't work, he wanted you to sit on ur azz and what for him to decide if he wanted to join you or not , which in fact he already decided that he wasn't trust me, case and point he asked how was the threesome, and the fact that you told him it was great pissed him off, cause now he in fact knows that you will just do you own thing and won't wait for him, which is what u should be doing

Now the libra wants to act like a relationship, when you guys are suppose to be FWB

There is no explaining of any kind when you are FWB, HELLO, if he wants a relationship, make that clear, cause now this libra is running a cycle to re balance himself, and the fact that you let him get you like this means you fail the test

Now your back to square 1 with the disappearing act and the no txt on time shit, get it together honey, ur in a cycle with this libra trying to get control in his libra fashion



AGREED. I was a little baffled when, as usual, excuses were being made for such bs behavior. The poor guy is attached in some way, shape, or form and wants something different and is guilting you for it. "You shouldn't have said this or that." Really? This man shouldn't be in a fwb, it sounds like.
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Posted by lotuslily
Posted by TaurusNikki
Trust me, do ur own thing, drives libras nutz, but the only reason this is getting to him is cause he wants u, but won't admit it unless u make him, but at the right time tho



Will you teach me to play chess then TN?? You can be my Libran chess grandmaster!
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Lol, I'm still playing this chess match with my libra boyfriend, uggggg good lord, I will say it never gets boring once u have them
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It's all about the mind with libras, and each plan has been put in motion, they do watch and see what u do, and if you have created a pattern on the way u act when he does things, the libra will do what u put out there, cause he knows exactly what u will do, u haven't changed the way he should act and treat u, it's a game to how he works ur mind, he knows ur coming back, and how? With that dam libra charm, in-balance his azz, u only took him off balance for a split second, but he gained it back with that txt, which means the libra protection shield is still effective, how? By u saying I'm sorry, ummmmm for what, u were just keeping it light and fun and oooo yea U R FWB
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