In general...

I have been thinking and it's all quite simple really. We are supposedly complicated individuals etc BUT...

If you see effort - something that's clearly an initiative e.g. phone call, email, card then you're in a good spot. Whether the words conveyed are declarations, hints or complete bull is pretty irrelevant.

Words we say out loud don't mean that much with us either. That's all in the moment and can be argued out the next day if you did not like them. We'll just twist and turn them so they become what you need them to be.

But you need to look at the actual effort/action itself. We don't move until we want you to know something - probably quite afraid to set you off because we then have to fix it and we are a bit lazy.

So when we do action it is because we want you to know. Very basic. Whether it's then a shag or a lifetime is the next step...

"Words we say out loud don't mean that much with us either."

Don't be pissed by this either. We are in the moment people and one of the simple joys of life is being able to manipulate the moment. It means as much as it needs to at the time. I know a lot of people think this is deceptive or manipulative regardless, it is what it is.

I think we detest coming across as needy or desperate (you'll think us weak) so an action involving the heart is very much thought out - before making that actual move. Hence it is far more important to note the action than the words. The words are as per Nico...

The moment we do the action then we WANT something so we manipulate.

Wow... That was told easily. But I still wonder how others understand this basic simple nature of libra. Most people seems to expect something else it all looks like.

Maybe people should just 'know' rather than 'understand'. Truly understanding is probably very difficult. Just to recognise on the spot and know what it means is enough...

It's funny, because I get that. I (Gemini) work in much the same in way (in terms of saying something and then having it mean nothing or something different the next day). Also, if I am not interested, you won't get me calling, e-mailing, writing unless it is in response to you. However, the "whether it's a shag or a lifetime" step seems to be the tricky part. Libra can spend a lot of time trying to decide this. As a Gemini, it's a little different. If I'm interested at all, it's for a lifetime, unless I change my mind. Libras tend to take forEVER to make up their minds and then make the decision. I suppose it is the more sensitive approach - to be sure about what you want before landing the decision. However, I also believe that life is short, people change, people come and go, and you might just miss a chance for some happiness in the meantime.

Hey all! I haven't had a chance to post much lately, but I have been reading and keeping up (HP - LOVED hearing about your romp on the hood of the car!)

I wanted to agree that what a Libra says is for the moment. With my Libra guy I'm learning that more and more. I was taking everything he said or didn't say and trying to find more meaning in it. I was wondering what it meant for the future, etc. Now, after reading the boards and understanding these guys a bit more, I've come up with a new philosophy in life. Enjoy the present. It is the gift of today. And don't worry about what happened before or what's going to happen in the future.

By the way, I took the advice of one of the Libras here and called my guy just before Christmas to say I would be out of town but hoped he would have a good Christmas. I kept it light, and then sat back and waited. He called me last Wednesday. I couldn't return his call right away, so I called back the next day and left a message. He called me back again, but I couldn't get to the phone at work. Finally, Monday morning he called and I was able to talk to him at length. (In fact, I had a strong feeling that he would call that morning). I ended up going by his house and we spent three hours in the hot tub! I was late for work, but it sure was fun! And I enjoyed the moment, and left it as we'll get together again when we can.

One thing that keeps me going: he told me he was addicted to me and couldn't stay away. It sends shivers up my spine every time I think of it!

"...He called me last Wednesday..."
"...He called me back again..."
"...Monday morning he called..."

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I guess I'm in a good spot then! Doing the happy dance now. :-)

It's important to recognise the essence of what's going on. Which is that he is also putting in effort.

"...He called me last Wednesday..."
"...He called me back again..."
"...Monday morning he called..."

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Or in my case, he text messages me to see how I'm doing and still wishes me a good morning. Has offered to help me find a good deal on a laptop, etc.
Yup, all effort. We don't give credit in the areas we take for granted. Although we don't all communicate the same way, we non-Libras need to realize that there is effort, albeit not what you hope or expect, but it's there.

Agree HP (and happy to see you're doing okay after your surgery). These Libras are putting in effort.

I think once I realized that when he does call or see me it is because he really wants to, and that the in-between times are not him ignoring me, it's just how he operates?the rhythm of his life, then I became more easy with this. And I'm in a much better spot.

As I said, the present is the gift.

Maygirl,

Youv'e got one lucky Libra, you seem to have em all figured out.

Nic, he and I go way back. We were together a couple years when we were younger, then met up here and there throughout the years. I hadn't talked with him in over 10 years though until I connected with him again last summer. But we always seemed on the same wavelength with each other.

I'm very happy to have him back in my life again. And he seems to be happy with us together again as well. I think we'll always be in each other's lives or minds one way or another.

Libra, Thank you for the way you communicated that. Right on. Clears up some things and "calms" some things for this Aries guy. I get so impatient and can't stand that about myself ESPECIALLY with relationships! Your message helped me remember recent times when the Libra girl I'm smitten with made her efforts---and yeah, it really doesn't seem to matter what particular WORDS she's saying!

Maygirl,

That to me seems like the ideal situation. You have the beginning where the attraction is sorted out and mutually understood, the middle where each person is independant of each other letting those feeling set in, and where you are at now where those decisions can be taken advantage of. Hahaha, man this would drive anyone else crazy. It was the same with my virgo ex. We had a fling, remained close but not dependant friends for almost two years and then bam, all of a sudden things fell in to place. Of course they didn't work out in the end but I have no complaints.

Atom, I know you're impatient (Aries). I guess given that you're now dealing with your opposite sign Libra - that this is your task to take home and for as long as the ride shall last.

I once wrote on another site and this Aries guy had been abandoned by his Libra and he could not figure out why. But verbally he came on very strongly about the reasons and his anger/confusion over it all. And I thought 'I can see why that won't work'. Because we wrap everything up in velvet gloves.

With a Libra you'll get far more by giving the space they need (and will demand anyway) and 'listen' to what they say because they say everything but just not in direct terms.

Learning that, Libra! To me it's "code" language. But fun to unravel the code and participate in that way. I've recently received a look from Libra girl that said, "I think he got it!" That was fun. But also taking your advice to heart about space. It's intriguing.

We meander around you a bit, Atom. So that you cannot pinpoint us down and decide how it is going to be. If we don't know whether we have you, we WANT.

That's what's happening!