Why must bad things happen...
This topic was created in the Metaphysical forum by ~mystic_fish on Monday, June 4, 2007 and has 47 replies.
to good people?
s--t happens
Unfortunately MysticFish...we are not immuned to the experiences of life. What will get us through, is how we choose to deal with whatever is on our plate - our attitude. 
Great point, Freebird..'our choices and freewill, our attitudes and how each one of us sees and interprets the world, as we each carry out our own journeys.. 
As Freebird says?
Naturally there is no god or bad experiences. We choose how to translate and deal with the situations.
it's not always a simple matter to deal with the irrational intuition. Nevertheless, the ability to focus on your attention on what's most important helps you to define what is good or bad to you at the moment of experiences what is good for you may be bad for someone else?!
Naturally there is no god or bad experiences. We choose how to translate and deal with the situations.
it's not always a simple matter to deal with the irrational intuition. Nevertheless, the ability to focus on your attention on what's most important helps you to define what is good or bad to you at the moment of experiences what is good for you may be bad for someone else?!
~mystic_fish how you define "good people"?
or... how do you know they are good indeed?
or... how do you know they are good indeed?
Because most people, even the good ones .. put forth energy in what they don't want.
The Universe brings what we call for ..
I don't want to be poor anylonger .. it hears "poor"
I don't want another needy man .. it hears "needy man"
Say, I want to be rich
I want a man who's emotionally stable
The Universe brings what we call for ..
I don't want to be poor anylonger .. it hears "poor"
I don't want another needy man .. it hears "needy man"
Say, I want to be rich
I want a man who's emotionally stable
hmmm very true P-angel, kind of like self-fulfilling prophesies. There's an old saying that goes, 'you are what you (constantly) think.' sometimes, anyway..
But what about,
The child that dies of a disease, all to soon. The hard working family man, who get's mugged and killed for $ 50 and his leather jacket. The child crossing the street at a designated street-light, only never to see his family again. And just recently, with that collapsed bridge, a man looses his pregnant wife and small child; yet to be found.
To me, these are only small examples of 'good' people..'maybe karma, maybe fate got in the way or stepped in..*a higher power at work..
But what about,
The child that dies of a disease, all to soon. The hard working family man, who get's mugged and killed for $ 50 and his leather jacket. The child crossing the street at a designated street-light, only never to see his family again. And just recently, with that collapsed bridge, a man looses his pregnant wife and small child; yet to be found.
To me, these are only small examples of 'good' people..'maybe karma, maybe fate got in the way or stepped in..*a higher power at work..
I do believe that everything has its course set already from since the time of creation, according to GOD. He knows when, how and where we all shall pass. It has been set so long ago, I don't think any man can cheatdeath, when its your time, your mumber is up, it's up. Yes,it may neverhappen the way we may think it will, dying of okd age,etc.. It is odd though, how some of us do pass on. It would be interesting to come to a rational conclusion as to why particular types of deaths meet some people. Is it the way you lived your life,no can't be. For agin your death was probably assigned to you the day of your birth. No man knows
the time nor the hour, our lord cometh to take you home.
Why bad things happen to good people, maybe just maybe because how good people react to these situations, separates them from the bad people. Just an opinion..
the time nor the hour, our lord cometh to take you home.
Why bad things happen to good people, maybe just maybe because how good people react to these situations, separates them from the bad people. Just an opinion..
I don't know.....im trying to figure that out. There are so many POINTLESS bad things that happen that i can't understand... it makes me angry beyond angry
Mystic .. here's another thought/angle ..
Maybe only "good" souls can reincarnate .. "bad" ones get trapped after death to live in "Hell on Earth" .. and, because of evil influences, unfortunate circumstances such as becoming a victim of something that leaves resentment or hatred, COULD turn good people into bad ones ..
So, in this theory .. the soul that is an Ascended Master can unconsciously (unbeknownst to our ego consciousness) predict that something is going to happen to the ego and create negative energy to trap it here, so it knows to make an exit from the physical body so it can incarnate again.
That's a reach .. but, you never know
Maybe only "good" souls can reincarnate .. "bad" ones get trapped after death to live in "Hell on Earth" .. and, because of evil influences, unfortunate circumstances such as becoming a victim of something that leaves resentment or hatred, COULD turn good people into bad ones ..
So, in this theory .. the soul that is an Ascended Master can unconsciously (unbeknownst to our ego consciousness) predict that something is going to happen to the ego and create negative energy to trap it here, so it knows to make an exit from the physical body so it can incarnate again.
That's a reach .. but, you never know
So, these situations that happen, such as, getting killed by a mugger or crossing the street in front of a car ... aren't accidents, nor coincidences at all .. rather, the spirit actually "called" this upon itself.
To the ego consciousness .. this would appear to be random, unfortunate events that happen to people who didn't do anything wrong or are deserving.
Maybe there are no coincidences at all .. ever. It's just our ego consciousness isn't privy to what our spirit is doing for preservation of the soul.
To the ego consciousness .. this would appear to be random, unfortunate events that happen to people who didn't do anything wrong or are deserving.
Maybe there are no coincidences at all .. ever. It's just our ego consciousness isn't privy to what our spirit is doing for preservation of the soul.
"So, these situations that happen, such as, getting killed by a mugger or crossing the street in front of a car ... aren't accidents, nor coincidences at all .. rather, the spirit actually "called" this upon itself."
wow P-Angel! i read what you said over and over, and yeah i think you are totally* right! It does make sense. ..and it's quite ironic, because i too have been thinking about coincidence lately! =) Does it exist? I don't think so, either. i do believe we write our own charts before birth, before each incarnation. Not only how we are going to live, but how we are going to die. And if we have a close-call and somebody saves or rescues us along the way, it was also mean't to be. Our higher conscious/spirit knowing ALL. I now strongly believe *everything* has meaning and a reason.. Action/reaction. *going full circle. Perhaps, no real beginning/no real end. i think we all have both individual callings and collective, as we are here to know, assist, bond and learn from other people/spirits, especially the ones we are closest to. Who we know and the people that are a part of our everyday lives, is no coincidence either. What's meant to be, is meant to be..
Hey, some very eye-opening thoughts, P-Angel, thx!
wow P-Angel! i read what you said over and over, and yeah i think you are totally* right! It does make sense. ..and it's quite ironic, because i too have been thinking about coincidence lately! =) Does it exist? I don't think so, either. i do believe we write our own charts before birth, before each incarnation. Not only how we are going to live, but how we are going to die. And if we have a close-call and somebody saves or rescues us along the way, it was also mean't to be. Our higher conscious/spirit knowing ALL. I now strongly believe *everything* has meaning and a reason.. Action/reaction. *going full circle. Perhaps, no real beginning/no real end. i think we all have both individual callings and collective, as we are here to know, assist, bond and learn from other people/spirits, especially the ones we are closest to. Who we know and the people that are a part of our everyday lives, is no coincidence either. What's meant to be, is meant to be..
Hey, some very eye-opening thoughts, P-Angel, thx!
We learn from adversity. Life is like school when you think about it, and there is always more to learn. It also seems the lessons we don't get right, we keep repeating until we finally get it. If there weren't obstacles or adversity to deal with, we wouldn't really appreciate the good things. I'm not sure what we get when we finally "graduate," but I believe it's something wonderful.
Being good dont save you from troubles bcoz no one know you are good and you are not meant to be harmed. Being wise is the choice to avoid troubles. Use your brain to its maximum and think as much as you can. You will find yourself protected by your own brain.
"If there weren't obstacles or adversity to deal with, we wouldn't really appreciate the good things."
good points, SS
If life were perfect, than (this) would be heaven. Life throws us curveballs with our names on them; it's up to us to figure them out.
hmmm, could a person be both good & wise, thelibran ..
good points, SS
If life were perfect, than (this) would be heaven. Life throws us curveballs with our names on them; it's up to us to figure them out.
hmmm, could a person be both good & wise, thelibran ..
(( hmmm, could a person be both good & wise ))
Yup. But hard work.
Yup. But hard work.
Mystic .. something from the Scorpio board, planted another seed into my head about this topic.
Oftentimes, we hear people saying such things as: I hope he falls off a building, or I hate her, or I hope he gets his due one day and ends up in jail, or (the one from Scorp board) I hope he chokes on a poison apple ..
Anyway, eventhough these are just random statements .. they are still surges from this kind of ill-will energy being transmitted onto the universal energy grid ..... and just as random as they are projected, a random person could be walking along that this energy find a victim to actualize the "falling off a building" wish.
Oftentimes, we hear people saying such things as: I hope he falls off a building, or I hate her, or I hope he gets his due one day and ends up in jail, or (the one from Scorp board) I hope he chokes on a poison apple ..
Anyway, eventhough these are just random statements .. they are still surges from this kind of ill-will energy being transmitted onto the universal energy grid ..... and just as random as they are projected, a random person could be walking along that this energy find a victim to actualize the "falling off a building" wish.
Why must bad things happen to good people? lol...becuase all the bad people are havin' all the fun!!! 
lol!!!
Hey mystic, I thought just that same thing, and continue to beat the dead horse, but what I've come up with is this: perhaps it's a lesson we've yet to learn becuase we don't except it's importance, thereby denying ourselves the answer that we've known all along, but refused to look at for whatever reason. Perhaps the message being beat into us by the greater force....(when I say greater force, I mean the wheel in my belief that turns throwing experiences, and emotions our way, testing us and seeing if we're capable of moving forward) isn't getting through becuase we 'expect' life to give us all that we want instantaneously, or becuase something of immense importance will result in the end that will change you but whether that change is good or bad is really up to you to grab the reins and guide.
Honestly, If my life was anything but what it has become, I can say that I couldn't feel with the same depth, sencerity, and strength that has really given me a base for my identity....I'm glad all the things that happened to me happened becuase they opened a 'hole' in my being that simply allowed me to expand on every level.....the pain that I felt, made everything so much more richer, so much more 'real' and rooted me to my life...I used to just live in my head (STILL fighting with this chakra too) but my emotions gave me a reason to come out....I fight with my arrogance, my emotional stubborness, and reluctance to show my feelings becuase I don't like the feeling of being out of control of and something controling me, or rejecting me and breaking me down showing me who I REALLY am.....I fear the words sensitive, weak, fragile, dependent ect: I feel I MUST be strong, or I fear that the very way I look at myself, my identity will be smashed, and I'll look like the wide-eyed child I forget that I am: I fear being 'less' becuase I feel life dosen't ALWAYS provide a way, but it can I'm still trying to reach out and it takes time......but I learned that these lessons contribute more to our growth than the positive ones, and all that's important is just having someone to share it with....
I'm trying to find that person.....the person who can break down that arrogant, stoic barrier I placed over myself, and sees me for who is underneath.....I need to 'need' again....that's what grounds us....getting into contact with our 'truest' urges....they...
lol!!! Hey mystic, I thought just that same thing, and continue to beat the dead horse, but what I've come up with is this: perhaps it's a lesson we've yet to learn becuase we don't except it's importance, thereby denying ourselves the answer that we've known all along, but refused to look at for whatever reason. Perhaps the message being beat into us by the greater force....(when I say greater force, I mean the wheel in my belief that turns throwing experiences, and emotions our way, testing us and seeing if we're capable of moving forward) isn't getting through becuase we 'expect' life to give us all that we want instantaneously, or becuase something of immense importance will result in the end that will change you but whether that change is good or bad is really up to you to grab the reins and guide.
Honestly, If my life was anything but what it has become, I can say that I couldn't feel with the same depth, sencerity, and strength that has really given me a base for my identity....I'm glad all the things that happened to me happened becuase they opened a 'hole' in my being that simply allowed me to expand on every level.....the pain that I felt, made everything so much more richer, so much more 'real' and rooted me to my life...I used to just live in my head (STILL fighting with this chakra too) but my emotions gave me a reason to come out....I fight with my arrogance, my emotional stubborness, and reluctance to show my feelings becuase I don't like the feeling of being out of control of and something controling me, or rejecting me and breaking me down showing me who I REALLY am.....I fear the words sensitive, weak, fragile, dependent ect: I feel I MUST be strong, or I fear that the very way I look at myself, my identity will be smashed, and I'll look like the wide-eyed child I forget that I am: I fear being 'less' becuase I feel life dosen't ALWAYS provide a way, but it can I'm still trying to reach out and it takes time......but I learned that these lessons contribute more to our growth than the positive ones, and all that's important is just having someone to share it with....
I'm trying to find that person.....the person who can break down that arrogant, stoic barrier I placed over myself, and sees me for who is underneath.....I need to 'need' again....that's what grounds us....getting into contact with our 'truest' urges....they...
might not be approved of by people around us, but if they love us, they'll find a way....getting to know yourself Mystic should at least give you a chance against that 'mayrtr' syndrome.....how? Because you know how far you're willing to go before you realive you're being taken advantage of.....and when you can discriminate between these two you'll realize that it's really nothing personal on the grander scale of life: just life trying to teach you.....you just have to listen to the pulses life sends you....the 'true messages' underneath the one given.
one more thing: it's hard, hell, IMPOSSIBLE to be 'perfect' to be 'consistently good' and give nothing but pureness....you WILL get hurt and disillusioned, and the best thing to do is to be true to who you are rather than identifying with some unrealistically pure image that denies yourself of a crucial peice of who you are.....we ere, and having feelings, a corporeal body, and will is proof of it....that's why I try to go 'light' on the spiritual stuff becuase it can put stricter expectations upon us that do us more harm than personal acceptance, and personal responsibility: everyones got a part to play, and a message/gift to bring....I search for what mine is....hope you find yours.....
wow, True words of wisdom, VE .. i believe too, the spiritual side should never negate greater responsibility for ones own actions and greater life lessons. And perfection is not a part of life either, only knowing and growing within ourselves each and every day, evolving to our own potentials, and personal fulfillment. Everyone does have a part to play, the earth our stage, that we share with everyone. I also believe lives can effect other lives; all of us to a degree intertwined, as in a *butterfly effect. I think we can learn some from each other, as well. And yet, at the same time a higher belief and that same responsibilty for one's own self, can still make good bedfellows at night. A balance of good common sense, self-awareness for the here and now, and of course hope. For the greater village to rock, it's the concensus of all to play their own special brand of music.
..beautiful post, thanks for that VE..
..beautiful post, thanks for that VE..
mystic: For the greater village to rock, it's the concensus of all to play their own special brand of music.
exactly
These so-called 'catastrophies' and 'traumas' we face are used to shape our souls: they are meant to remind us of who we really are and who we MUST become: that we are more than just the automatons and have a potential, a destiny to face....when you're hurt by something you want to cry, or rage, and that rage is injustice, and reminds us that we have a right to exist.... these experiences are the materials that will either corrode our souls or empower them....we give them to each other, so yes, lives can effect other lives....we are constantly gaining these experiences to shape our souls: life is a battleground for the soul, and EVERY experience is meant to strengthen it.
A recurrent theme for my life was 'assertion'. I realized that you MUST fight for a cause at some point, and just being removed from it, from inspiration, and your own personal power really dosen't do any good.....sometimes you must dig down deep within, and not fear those primitive impulses and find your own reasons for going on....afterall, we've got just as much right to be here as the next person, so why do you get to force me around? In what way are you superior to me?
We agonize, and suffer to grow: but my advice is don't EVER completely turn away from life.....don't withdraw or resort to any form of self-destruction....will is everything mystic....some people aren't aware of how large an effect they can have becasue they believe they don't have what it takes and reason to themselves they're better off just being right where they are, and in short, forfeit their own power to ascend...tell me, why would some one do such a thing? Shy away from the challege, and deny their own power and will? Becuase they fear themselves.....they fear what lies within.....of what real power they have....That is why I'm so expansive....I don't accept limitation, or even practical evidence as enough to daunt me from learning more...from taking that next step....
I don't think I'm cocky or arrogant, but I refuse to deny myself my own potential and restrict myself by practical terms: to know at the end of the day I am getting closer to a greater personal discovery....they lie in the little conversations, the connections, and the friendships we make....When will I ever achieve self satisfaction? When I stop setting goals....when will I stop setting goals? When I can't...
exactly
These so-called 'catastrophies' and 'traumas' we face are used to shape our souls: they are meant to remind us of who we really are and who we MUST become: that we are more than just the automatons and have a potential, a destiny to face....when you're hurt by something you want to cry, or rage, and that rage is injustice, and reminds us that we have a right to exist.... these experiences are the materials that will either corrode our souls or empower them....we give them to each other, so yes, lives can effect other lives....we are constantly gaining these experiences to shape our souls: life is a battleground for the soul, and EVERY experience is meant to strengthen it.
A recurrent theme for my life was 'assertion'. I realized that you MUST fight for a cause at some point, and just being removed from it, from inspiration, and your own personal power really dosen't do any good.....sometimes you must dig down deep within, and not fear those primitive impulses and find your own reasons for going on....afterall, we've got just as much right to be here as the next person, so why do you get to force me around? In what way are you superior to me?
We agonize, and suffer to grow: but my advice is don't EVER completely turn away from life.....don't withdraw or resort to any form of self-destruction....will is everything mystic....some people aren't aware of how large an effect they can have becasue they believe they don't have what it takes and reason to themselves they're better off just being right where they are, and in short, forfeit their own power to ascend...tell me, why would some one do such a thing? Shy away from the challege, and deny their own power and will? Becuase they fear themselves.....they fear what lies within.....of what real power they have....That is why I'm so expansive....I don't accept limitation, or even practical evidence as enough to daunt me from learning more...from taking that next step....
I don't think I'm cocky or arrogant, but I refuse to deny myself my own potential and restrict myself by practical terms: to know at the end of the day I am getting closer to a greater personal discovery....they lie in the little conversations, the connections, and the friendships we make....When will I ever achieve self satisfaction? When I stop setting goals....when will I stop setting goals? When I can't...
move this corpse!!....though looking over it all now, I'm quite satisfied....I refuse to stop mystic....I believe will makes the difference...regardless of what sign you are....the will must be cultivated....we can do so much....but how can we do anything if we stop ourselves before we even really start? We do this by questioning life about a topic we already know the answer to...why do bad things happen to good people?....I hope that one day my feelings of seething rage will subside within me....but these are my demons that I must fight....but these demons can't be fought alone because they can only be healed with trust.....becuase they are the exact opposite of these virtures: lonliness, apathy, disillusionment,.....I'm tired of turning away from life and the things in it....I have a role to play, and must do it.
I'd like to have my faith restored in people as well....my trust and ability to deeply connect again....I miss those times where I could just speak from the bottom of my soul and feel 'refreshed' doing so....This is key....identity is formed by social interaction as it is by introspection....
Talks like this are good for the soul....really these are the only conversations I'm interested in....I feel lighter now....
I'd like to have my faith restored in people as well....my trust and ability to deeply connect again....I miss those times where I could just speak from the bottom of my soul and feel 'refreshed' doing so....This is key....identity is formed by social interaction as it is by introspection....
Talks like this are good for the soul....really these are the only conversations I'm interested in....I feel lighter now....
"....afterall, we've got just as much right to be here as the next person, so why do you get to force me around? In what way are you superior to me?"
Very true VE; is Donald Trump superior to us, no (although, i have immense respect for the guy, but i still know..lol) ..is the Dali Lahma better than we, no.. Are we better than the bag lady or the homeless drunkard out on the street. No, of course not. We are of but Kings, Queens and peasants - existent among souls of which we harbour together.
Perhaps our ideals, our visions, our ethics*, etc, can be of a more noble, healthier nature -speaking more now of the lower criminal element. The murderers, the abusers, the sick of society. Of these ..of course, their own karmas, they will have to face.
"will is everything mystic.."
So much agreed! ..will, pride, fortitude, perseverance.. 'Fall seven times. Stand up eight.' And never give up on finding those precious few you can be totally uninhibited with; mentally, emotionally, physically and/or spiritually ..for finding a bit of yourself in someone else, helps crack the door of trust immensely. 'We're never so vulnerable than when we trust someone - but paradoxically, if we cannot trust, neither can we find love or joy.' Life is still worth the trust of one, if save for the fall of a million.. *Better to be a prisoner of vulnerability, than lack of trust, altogether. Also, better the challenge, and all its imperfections, then..'nothing at all.
"This is key....identity is formed by social interaction as it is by introspection...."
As in the actor rehearsing his lines in private, yet he must also live it, share it, receive back from it..*keeping dreams alive personally and collectively.
I believe in the perspective element of life, too. Just think back to 911, and how that was a wake-up call to so many! As too much jadedness and cyncism on the whole can feed back into careless apathy for a society in general. We must balance our own personal cautions within the greater faith of mankind..
"Talks like this are good for the soul.." LOL, i much agree, a great elixir!
'Water, continually dripping,
will wear a hard rock hollow.'
Plutarch
Very true VE; is Donald Trump superior to us, no (although, i have immense respect for the guy, but i still know..lol) ..is the Dali Lahma better than we, no.. Are we better than the bag lady or the homeless drunkard out on the street. No, of course not. We are of but Kings, Queens and peasants - existent among souls of which we harbour together.
Perhaps our ideals, our visions, our ethics*, etc, can be of a more noble, healthier nature -speaking more now of the lower criminal element. The murderers, the abusers, the sick of society. Of these ..of course, their own karmas, they will have to face.
"will is everything mystic.."
So much agreed! ..will, pride, fortitude, perseverance.. 'Fall seven times. Stand up eight.' And never give up on finding those precious few you can be totally uninhibited with; mentally, emotionally, physically and/or spiritually ..for finding a bit of yourself in someone else, helps crack the door of trust immensely. 'We're never so vulnerable than when we trust someone - but paradoxically, if we cannot trust, neither can we find love or joy.' Life is still worth the trust of one, if save for the fall of a million.. *Better to be a prisoner of vulnerability, than lack of trust, altogether. Also, better the challenge, and all its imperfections, then..'nothing at all.
"This is key....identity is formed by social interaction as it is by introspection...."
As in the actor rehearsing his lines in private, yet he must also live it, share it, receive back from it..*keeping dreams alive personally and collectively.
I believe in the perspective element of life, too. Just think back to 911, and how that was a wake-up call to so many! As too much jadedness and cyncism on the whole can feed back into careless apathy for a society in general. We must balance our own personal cautions within the greater faith of mankind..
"Talks like this are good for the soul.." LOL, i much agree, a great elixir!
'Water, continually dripping,
will wear a hard rock hollow.'
Plutarch
*chuckles* even with all this known, life really in practice isn't that much easier to cope with....lol....
'As too much jadedness and cyncism on the whole can feed back into careless apathy for a society in general. We must balance our own personal cautions within the greater faith of mankind..' -mystic-
all too damned true....however, it's just proof that lives (even through the reckless abandon of apathy) can affect lives....though it's difficult Mystic to 'revert' back to a purer time when human kind was 'good' and 'positively focused' on the whole....really in my opinion things exist as black or white....gray is really just an 'under coat' of it's extremes....just a 'stopping ground' if you will to a 'final destination'. It doesn't help any either when you know for a fact what lies within the collective human unconcious/heart....to know that you too, are rooted in the same complex you hate....greed, betrayal, self-centeredness, arrogance....things motivated towards the self-destruction....I'm not lying when I say that it hurts me to the bottom of my being to look into someone's eyes and know that they too, despite how 'perfect' they appear to me is still in possession of these traits....
I myself haven't found an 'elixir' strong enough to cure myself of my own jadedness....the truth does have the ability to mame....but I wonder if there is a way that in spite of the 'ugliness' in the soul, if there is a way to connect with the 'beauty' of the soul, without denying yourself of that painful, but vital truth....I think this is the time when humility, no open-mindedness, and tolerance is NECESSARY: to allow the constraints of out-dated, self-destructive beliefs at one point in time to 'melt away' and so that new ones may grow instead pushing the soul forward...thus giving birth to a marriage of the soul with all souls....that ability to connect with someone and look into their eyes and see perfection/completion....
so, back to the original topic: why must bad things happen? to 'force' the soul out of it's often self-perpetuated inertive and self-destructive state....when we stop moving, growing, thinking, and shut life out...we 'freeze'....I'm starting to learn this myself....the only way to 'melt' is to let life in....get over the fear of what's to come, and get pissed, happy, sad, elated....whatever....the point is, feel it with everything you've got....I feel when we stop being victims (blaming life for OUR failures) we become the masters.
'As too much jadedness and cyncism on the whole can feed back into careless apathy for a society in general. We must balance our own personal cautions within the greater faith of mankind..' -mystic-
all too damned true....however, it's just proof that lives (even through the reckless abandon of apathy) can affect lives....though it's difficult Mystic to 'revert' back to a purer time when human kind was 'good' and 'positively focused' on the whole....really in my opinion things exist as black or white....gray is really just an 'under coat' of it's extremes....just a 'stopping ground' if you will to a 'final destination'. It doesn't help any either when you know for a fact what lies within the collective human unconcious/heart....to know that you too, are rooted in the same complex you hate....greed, betrayal, self-centeredness, arrogance....things motivated towards the self-destruction....I'm not lying when I say that it hurts me to the bottom of my being to look into someone's eyes and know that they too, despite how 'perfect' they appear to me is still in possession of these traits....
I myself haven't found an 'elixir' strong enough to cure myself of my own jadedness....the truth does have the ability to mame....but I wonder if there is a way that in spite of the 'ugliness' in the soul, if there is a way to connect with the 'beauty' of the soul, without denying yourself of that painful, but vital truth....I think this is the time when humility, no open-mindedness, and tolerance is NECESSARY: to allow the constraints of out-dated, self-destructive beliefs at one point in time to 'melt away' and so that new ones may grow instead pushing the soul forward...thus giving birth to a marriage of the soul with all souls....that ability to connect with someone and look into their eyes and see perfection/completion....
so, back to the original topic: why must bad things happen? to 'force' the soul out of it's often self-perpetuated inertive and self-destructive state....when we stop moving, growing, thinking, and shut life out...we 'freeze'....I'm starting to learn this myself....the only way to 'melt' is to let life in....get over the fear of what's to come, and get pissed, happy, sad, elated....whatever....the point is, feel it with everything you've got....I feel when we stop being victims (blaming life for OUR failures) we become the masters.
....of our destinies.... We empower ourselves by stepping up and taking ownership of our TOTAL progression....but not until we learn the secrets behind what this struggle is all for....sometimes to be masters, we have to be 'co pilots' and 'believe' that someone else can handle the controls for a while.....I still struggle with 'surrendering' control and 'humbling' myself to life.....*chuckles* stubborn yes, and a little bit of a softie....I've got a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG wayz to go yet mystic....I try however to empart some little bit of what I've learned if it helps bring people some solace, and a little 'glance' into my being......knowing what pain can bring, the isolation, despair, rage, and distrust....and using it to heal, and grow past my own limitations....if not for the pain, I couldn't believe so whole heartedly in spirituality and metaphysics....I couldn't believe that humans where worth wanting to know and interact with....but they are....
Logically we KNOW why bad things happen, but emotionally, we don't....often because we believe that while we're in our blissful state of rapture/bliss that nothing should interfere....you don't want the feeling to stop...the feeling of 'absolute connection'.....having someone 'know you' from the inside out....and NEVER using it against you....but we must except it emotionally that it's as possible for mishaps to happen there as in the world around us....
Logically we KNOW why bad things happen, but emotionally, we don't....often because we believe that while we're in our blissful state of rapture/bliss that nothing should interfere....you don't want the feeling to stop...the feeling of 'absolute connection'.....having someone 'know you' from the inside out....and NEVER using it against you....but we must except it emotionally that it's as possible for mishaps to happen there as in the world around us....
..so very interesting VE, alot more wisdom to condense.. =)
But what is to be said, for *simplicity* .. sometimes you don't want to think. You need to give the mind and soul a break, every now and then. To rejuv the soul and clear the mind. Maybe my taurus-rising speaking now..lol but to just purely enjoy in all the 5 senses for what they are; especially as it relates to the natural elements of life, back to nature, the purest, most patient and sincere of all ..that silly drop of rain that falls on your nose, that one in a million snowflake that *still* catches the corner of your eye. That first soft spring breeze on a sunny morn. To be aware of it "ALL" is grand and reminds you, the best things in life are really free..
"Those who dwell among the beauties and mysteries of the earth are never alone or weary of life."
And, yes back to the topic: and like the seasons, perhaps people too, have their special time and place. A season, a time, a century, a purpose for everyone and everything..
But what is to be said, for *simplicity* .. sometimes you don't want to think. You need to give the mind and soul a break, every now and then. To rejuv the soul and clear the mind. Maybe my taurus-rising speaking now..lol but to just purely enjoy in all the 5 senses for what they are; especially as it relates to the natural elements of life, back to nature, the purest, most patient and sincere of all ..that silly drop of rain that falls on your nose, that one in a million snowflake that *still* catches the corner of your eye. That first soft spring breeze on a sunny morn. To be aware of it "ALL" is grand and reminds you, the best things in life are really free..
"Those who dwell among the beauties and mysteries of the earth are never alone or weary of life."
And, yes back to the topic: and like the seasons, perhaps people too, have their special time and place. A season, a time, a century, a purpose for everyone and everything..
lol....motormouth' am I? Forgive me.....ya know, I can only be the Virgo I was meant to be.....
Everyone/thing definitely has a purpose, and really all purposes in the largest sense of the word, are the same.....and it's to touch the lives that they are surrounded by, (like the ripples of a pond spreading across a lake.....makes me wonder at times 'how many lives can I touch?' and 'am I not being true to my myself?')....for better, and saddly sometimes for worse, but 'better' and 'worse' as I'm sure you already know is subjective....what's new, isn't always improved....but I have faith that purpose is a reason for being that we all are imbued with the moment we gain a consciousness, and to be in itself, to just feel, and take life in through the senses, is really a gift in it's own right.....
Nothing could be sadder than someone who rejects their destiny/purpose: someone who shy's away and denys the truth of their own potential....it's becuase of destiny and purpose that we are social creatures and therefore, all have a part to play, a life to live, and lives to touch....Our world may NEVER be perfect Mystic, which bothers me deeply...but if there is one 'light' in the world than that light may reach out to others spreading it and hope still exists to tip the negative balance....I believe that these events challenge our will/light....I wield mine with pride....so when you encounter those who aim to 'suppress' your light....you must challenge them....it's your right, and your purpose mystic; it's ALL of ours.
Everyone/thing definitely has a purpose, and really all purposes in the largest sense of the word, are the same.....and it's to touch the lives that they are surrounded by, (like the ripples of a pond spreading across a lake.....makes me wonder at times 'how many lives can I touch?' and 'am I not being true to my myself?')....for better, and saddly sometimes for worse, but 'better' and 'worse' as I'm sure you already know is subjective....what's new, isn't always improved....but I have faith that purpose is a reason for being that we all are imbued with the moment we gain a consciousness, and to be in itself, to just feel, and take life in through the senses, is really a gift in it's own right.....
Nothing could be sadder than someone who rejects their destiny/purpose: someone who shy's away and denys the truth of their own potential....it's becuase of destiny and purpose that we are social creatures and therefore, all have a part to play, a life to live, and lives to touch....Our world may NEVER be perfect Mystic, which bothers me deeply...but if there is one 'light' in the world than that light may reach out to others spreading it and hope still exists to tip the negative balance....I believe that these events challenge our will/light....I wield mine with pride....so when you encounter those who aim to 'suppress' your light....you must challenge them....it's your right, and your purpose mystic; it's ALL of ours.
lol (same here) ..seriously, it's refreshing to see some longer posts on here.. =)
I believe life isn't linear ..you can effect others positively, and still be true to yourself. This is where 'will' and a healthy self-identity come in. One can't be much good for anyone else, if we don't attend our own gardens first. Part of life is certainly swimming among the mermaids and sharks. However, one can't change others, only through your own self-awareness and positive-projection can you set any kind of meaningful example. Spiritually, the reason why the earth is not perfect, is because, in the after-life it is.. If earth was perfect, then what would be the point of any challenge or growth. We are universally forced into contrast -be it karma, or some other self-purpose. Earth for many may be the hardest lesson, but also the most meaningful, and worthy.. *sometimes the higher the climb, the sweeter the wine..
btw, here's an older meta article i posted that caught my attention ..
"Soul Purpose" - http://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/messages.asp?id=917656
I believe life isn't linear ..you can effect others positively, and still be true to yourself. This is where 'will' and a healthy self-identity come in. One can't be much good for anyone else, if we don't attend our own gardens first. Part of life is certainly swimming among the mermaids and sharks. However, one can't change others, only through your own self-awareness and positive-projection can you set any kind of meaningful example. Spiritually, the reason why the earth is not perfect, is because, in the after-life it is.. If earth was perfect, then what would be the point of any challenge or growth. We are universally forced into contrast -be it karma, or some other self-purpose. Earth for many may be the hardest lesson, but also the most meaningful, and worthy.. *sometimes the higher the climb, the sweeter the wine..
btw, here's an older meta article i posted that caught my attention ..
"Soul Purpose" - http://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/messages.asp?id=917656
Dear MYST
Perhaps you are a bad girl and bad things must happen to you. Has anyone asked you to get nude so they could spank you?
Perhaps you are a bad girl and bad things must happen to you. Has anyone asked you to get nude so they could spank you?
ha ha, kay that was funny, LOL ..what a way to sum-up a thread.
((Everyone/thing definitely has a purpose, and really all purposes in the largest sense of the word, are the same))
nobody has any purpose. we associate a purpose to feel self importance. Its quite ok to live your life without doing anything and only worrying about food. Whatever happens is not bad. We perceive it as bad.
nobody has any purpose. we associate a purpose to feel self importance. Its quite ok to live your life without doing anything and only worrying about food. Whatever happens is not bad. We perceive it as bad.
hmm, human peceptions have always intrigued me. Same with subjectivity and objectivity. To me, in life, some things are very* apparent. aka..the evil's of Hilter and the Nazi regime. To me this isn't perception, what happened, really happened; people tortured.
"nobody has any purpose. we associate a purpose to feel self importance."
But there's the whole crux of your statement, TL (People, all life IS important.) Importance, or the existence of it in the highest most noble sense, does negate selfish means or arrogance. If we value life and everything made up of it on this earth, yes we are all important, and made in the higher eyes and image of..) Importance does not have to mean "of the self" ..that is ego. Also, some inanimate objects can be important too. eg. the importance and purpose of the ever-melting iceburgs in Antarctica, as it may effect the consistency of our global climate in the future. *Just some more thoughts to throw out..
"nobody has any purpose. we associate a purpose to feel self importance."
But there's the whole crux of your statement, TL (People, all life IS important.) Importance, or the existence of it in the highest most noble sense, does negate selfish means or arrogance. If we value life and everything made up of it on this earth, yes we are all important, and made in the higher eyes and image of..) Importance does not have to mean "of the self" ..that is ego. Also, some inanimate objects can be important too. eg. the importance and purpose of the ever-melting iceburgs in Antarctica, as it may effect the consistency of our global climate in the future. *Just some more thoughts to throw out..
mysticfish, as far as I am aware some souls come here for a short time only to fulfil a certain need that they had, which is generally why young children pass away in horrible or unexpected circumstances - they've got what they needed in order to move on, so that they will be ready to begin the next cycle in their next life and it really is their time to "go".
Also I think both good and bad experiences help us to learn so many lessons, also about ourselves and then we are lucky enough to be able to help someone else through a tough time because we UNDERSTAND, we've been there and can offer guidance. And then there's one of my favourite sayings "you are only going to manifest what you focus on, so focus on what you want instead of what you don't want!". I think alot of people do not realise the power within their own minds.
Also I think both good and bad experiences help us to learn so many lessons, also about ourselves and then we are lucky enough to be able to help someone else through a tough time because we UNDERSTAND, we've been there and can offer guidance. And then there's one of my favourite sayings "you are only going to manifest what you focus on, so focus on what you want instead of what you don't want!". I think alot of people do not realise the power within their own minds.
"you are only going to manifest what you focus on, so focus on what you want instead of what you don't want!".
words of wisdom, oddball ..You are so right, we are what we think or think constantly. Your mind in the end will believe whatever you keep telling it, believing in.
"..as far as I am aware some souls come here for a short time only to fulfil a certain need that they had, which is generally why young children pass away in horrible or unexpected circumstances"
no matter how hard, i believe this too, ob ..i've also heard that everyone writes their own chart - from birth to death, even before they incarnate to this earth. No matter for how short or long, everyone has touched someone, somewhere.
words of wisdom, oddball ..You are so right, we are what we think or think constantly. Your mind in the end will believe whatever you keep telling it, believing in.
"..as far as I am aware some souls come here for a short time only to fulfil a certain need that they had, which is generally why young children pass away in horrible or unexpected circumstances"
no matter how hard, i believe this too, ob ..i've also heard that everyone writes their own chart - from birth to death, even before they incarnate to this earth. No matter for how short or long, everyone has touched someone, somewhere.
Yeah, I have heard that everyone "signs a contract" before they come back to earth...*eek* I wonder what I signed up for haha
I definitely believe that people have a purpose in being here, and that things happen for reasons. Even if we don't understand those reasons straight away, aren't ready to accept them and maybe even take a long time to see them.
I definitely believe that people have a purpose in being here, and that things happen for reasons. Even if we don't understand those reasons straight away, aren't ready to accept them and maybe even take a long time to see them.
((Also, some inanimate objects can be important too. eg. the importance and purpose of the ever-melting iceburgs in Antarctica, as it may effect the consistency of our global climate in the future. *Just some more thoughts to throw out..))
Important to whom? human species? then we are back in the self importance situation again.
Only humans say its important. We screw it up and then we say its important. Its ok even if half of the human population dies. it will actually save many other species from extinction. So death becomes important there. So we cannot say life is important. the cycle of life and death is important for evolution. not for the ones who are living it.
Important to whom? human species? then we are back in the self importance situation again.
Only humans say its important. We screw it up and then we say its important. Its ok even if half of the human population dies. it will actually save many other species from extinction. So death becomes important there. So we cannot say life is important. the cycle of life and death is important for evolution. not for the ones who are living it.
"the cycle of life and death is important for evolution. not for the ones who are living it."
But what's the point of living it, if no importance is attached? If there's no respect or value system to anything. It may seem people, species choose their own self-importance, when in reality that perception could still be a truism (beyond) what we think. Human perception does not have to mean negation. Just because humans tag something, doesn't make it any less significant. It's hard to explain, if you get my drift. I believe in a supreme being, not just dust and ash. To me, there has to be a point and purpose to existence, beyond an indefinate cycle. Life is not purely by-chance, and that we are all (only) affected coincidentals. Life is for the living.. i, like everyone else on the planet (are) part of this magnificant cycle of life, not merely afterthoughts.
But what's the point of living it, if no importance is attached? If there's no respect or value system to anything. It may seem people, species choose their own self-importance, when in reality that perception could still be a truism (beyond) what we think. Human perception does not have to mean negation. Just because humans tag something, doesn't make it any less significant. It's hard to explain, if you get my drift. I believe in a supreme being, not just dust and ash. To me, there has to be a point and purpose to existence, beyond an indefinate cycle. Life is not purely by-chance, and that we are all (only) affected coincidentals. Life is for the living.. i, like everyone else on the planet (are) part of this magnificant cycle of life, not merely afterthoughts.
In a way at some point in history, most people carried this idea of purpose to existence. They believed in it. But now since we can see the possibility of self destruction staring at human species, what can we make out of it? If everything we believed and did in the past thinking there is a supreme being and we have a purpose in life have taken us to a point where we became the only species who are going to be responsible for the mass extermination of millions of life forms on this planet, probably we were wrong with our initial assumptions about supreme being and purpose in life. The more accurate possibility we can deduct with this information will be that we failed to understand the nature as it is and assumed a lot of things to reason our ignorance which lead us into greater and greater trouble. No other species choose this self importance factor other than the ones humans have pictured in cartoons and novels. Its our perception about animals which makes us think they expect to find supporting factors to make them feel important.
There is nothing which can be hard to explain if we carry the accurate information and explanations to everything. We simply dont have it yet. So we realize its hard to explain whatever we know in a rational logical fashion.
There is nothing which can be hard to explain if we carry the accurate information and explanations to everything. We simply dont have it yet. So we realize its hard to explain whatever we know in a rational logical fashion.
"nobody has any purpose. we associate a purpose to feel self importance."
I believe that each moment that we are experiencing is our purpose. Not something that we are achieving in the future. Our purpose is to be ALIVE and to experience whatever that may be.
I believe that each moment that we are experiencing is our purpose. Not something that we are achieving in the future. Our purpose is to be ALIVE and to experience whatever that may be.
~mystic_fish: "If life were perfect, than (this) would be heaven. Life throws us curveballs with our names on them; it's up to us to figure them out."
What if you chose to think of it as perfect, then you would be experiencing heaven. Our thoughts create our experiences therefore we can either experience heaven or hell. Our choice. Yep, life throws us all kinds of things..how cool is that? it's an adventure! have fun with it, enjoy it....why not?
*life is NOT meant to be taken seriously.
Enjoy the ride -
What if you chose to think of it as perfect, then you would be experiencing heaven. Our thoughts create our experiences therefore we can either experience heaven or hell. Our choice. Yep, life throws us all kinds of things..how cool is that? it's an adventure! have fun with it, enjoy it....why not?
*life is NOT meant to be taken seriously.
Enjoy the ride -
((Our purpose is to be ALIVE and to experience whatever that may be. ))
Yea thats the basic reason behind every action we take. If our purpose is to be alive, then humanity would be a mistake; isn't it? Are we suppose to care for others? or make sure we remain fit enuf to follow the natural law of survival?
Yea thats the basic reason behind every action we take. If our purpose is to be alive, then humanity would be a mistake; isn't it? Are we suppose to care for others? or make sure we remain fit enuf to follow the natural law of survival?
Perhaps I will explain myself a bit better
To be ALIVE means to truly be ALIVE in each moment - among us we have the "walking dead" people - those are the ones who are not truly living life, living in the moment, taking risks etc. however, it is a choice that is made and if someone is happy with their choice sobeit. When in this state of living in the moment and every moment, we are fulfilling our purpose.
"Are we supposed to care for others?" does it really matter what others do? what do you personally want to do? do that thing and you will be happy.
"or make sure we remain fit enuf to follow the natural law of survival?" again, this is a personal choice.
To be ALIVE means to truly be ALIVE in each moment - among us we have the "walking dead" people - those are the ones who are not truly living life, living in the moment, taking risks etc. however, it is a choice that is made and if someone is happy with their choice sobeit. When in this state of living in the moment and every moment, we are fulfilling our purpose.
"Are we supposed to care for others?" does it really matter what others do? what do you personally want to do? do that thing and you will be happy.
"or make sure we remain fit enuf to follow the natural law of survival?" again, this is a personal choice.
((however, it is a choice that is made and if someone is happy with their choice sobeit.))
How can we know for sure they are happy? And this is exactly what humans have been doing for centuries. But that haven't contributed to anything positive for anyone other than a human being right??? And why is that so important that we must be happy and keep chasing happiness? Suppose if we weren't meant to be happy? and that was the way it was meant to be??
How can we know for sure they are happy? And this is exactly what humans have been doing for centuries. But that haven't contributed to anything positive for anyone other than a human being right??? And why is that so important that we must be happy and keep chasing happiness? Suppose if we weren't meant to be happy? and that was the way it was meant to be??
"Enjoy the ride -"
Life on earth is pure heaven, i agree TOTALLY Freebird! And the BEST things in life are FREE! ..to appreciate in the simplicity, in all 5 senses is just the beginning. To live for the moment, to share in the moment. To appreciate all life on earth. ..enjoy, indeed!
Life on earth is pure heaven, i agree TOTALLY Freebird! And the BEST things in life are FREE! ..to appreciate in the simplicity, in all 5 senses is just the beginning. To live for the moment, to share in the moment. To appreciate all life on earth. ..enjoy, indeed!
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