Another Shooting: El Cajon, Calif. Black Man Dead

This topic was created in the Miscellaneous forum by MrFirebird on Wednesday, September 28, 2016 and has 17 replies.



This is just a press conference from the local news - There is no graphic footage.

The preview still image is apparently a image from

the actual shooting event, just before the suspect was shot. You can clearly see that the man does appear

to have a weapon pointed at the officer with deadly intentions. - This is a BIG no-no NEVER remotely hold such

an aggressive posture in front of a law enforcement officer. Doing so, is liable to get you killed. Ancient rule #1.




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http://www.cityofelcajon.us/Home/Components/News/News/2865/384?backlist=/your-government/departments/police






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https://www.facebook.com/events/1647835548841924/#
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http://www.kusi.com/story/33268915/investigation-continues-into-shooting-of-erratic-black-man-in-el-cajon


http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/28/us/california-police-shooting/index.html


As of 7am pacific time, it doesn't look like a whole lot of people are interested in protesting.

But there IS a scheduled protest start at the El Cajon, Civic Center, around 9 am if there are any San Diego locals

on this forum who may be interested in participating.


Personally, I think that it's very possible that Alfred Olango may have been suicidal, and this shooting was basically

a "Suicide By Cop" incident. This is has happened in the past. The last time, I saw this, was in St. Louis, during the

Michael Brown shooting.


Kajieme Powell demanded that the cops shoot him and he threatened them with a knife and they shot him dead.

You can see the video on yt.

IMHO, it is possible that Powell may have seen himself as a "martyr" for the cause.

here is but one article that discusses the story.

http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2014/08/police-kajieme-powell-and-mental-illness.html


People can truly lose their marbles when they are at their wits end.

IF Olango basically did what Powell had done, don't be surprised if this story gets swept under the rug.

On the other hand, it may be a convenient story to promote in order to push the BLM movement into action.


A pity, really, IF Powell committed "suicide by cop", and BLM shows up and riots ensue, like they did in Charlotte.

Think about it... that would amount to "rioting over a suicide".


Never heard of rioting over suicide but.... there's first time for everything. Doesn't mean the rioters will be

intelligent.


We'll certainly see how this story plays out, won't we? Of course, we will.


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Posted by Explicit
I'm usually against "police brutality" like the guy who got shot in the car for no reason, sitting next to his girlfriend. But this wasn't police brutality.


This moron had his hands in his pockets, refused to comply with the officer and came off like a threat. That's what you get. And you deserve it. If you're acting shady and have your hands in your pockets, what the fuck are people gonna think? Anyone with common sense would think you have a weapon.


Who the fuck are these people who don't comply with officers, anyway? Even if they stop you for a stupid reason, DON'T be a jackass, be an ADULT, you're not in middle school - COMPLY. Especially if you're innocent. And why do you have your hands in your pockets? Like seriously, what the FUCK do you expect to happen? Obviously you're going to be attacked or worst, shot and killed like in this situation.
I think you're talkin' about the Castile case, in Minnesota. IF so, Diamond Reynolds smokes Newport Cigarettes. They had an APB on a suspect who had robbed a "Quckie-Mart", as it were, and among the the items stolen, beside cash was a carton of Newports. the CCTV image showed a man who bore a striking resemblance to Castile. And Diamond Reynolds is seen smoking the same brand in her public appearances following the shooting. The officer was NOT white, but Hispanic, if I recall, correctly.


The incident in El Cajon, occurred yesterday afternoon (9-27-16). Calls for protest and a time-and-place were given at least 10 hours old when I posted this thread. This would have been last night.

If it's something that the BLM organization wants to get involved with, they'll probably get their SD or LA branch to deploy leaders to the area. IF there ARE some "professional rioters" in the mix, they will have already been notified of the incident.


Due to the nature of THIS particular shooting, I'm kinda iffy about whether those activist groups will show up.

However, for CNN to report the story is telling.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/28/us/california-police-shooting/index.html


CNN doesn't waste time on stories that are... "sub-standard" and non-useful, or distracting to their political agenda's narrative.


But... you never know.




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September 27, 2016 El Cajon Police shot and killed a black man who had woken up disoriented from a seizure. While seizing, his sister called 911 for help three times, but police showed up and almost immediately shot the man five times.


We stand together against this outrage to demand an end to the oppression of black and brown people!


This rally was called by Reclaiming the Community, Party for Socialism and Liberation - PSL, and other organizatons and churches in the community who responded to the shooting.


https://www.facebook.com/events/1647835548841924/



The officer in the image whom Olango appears to pointing a gun at, appears to be black, himself.


IMHO, I seriously doubt the shooting was due to Olango's skin color. But that foolish move he made on that cop.


People need to understand that law enforcement officers have a target on them 24/7/365.

When they're awake, when they're asleep. An officer's psyche is going to be taxed far more than

John and Jane Q Public. People forget that they, themselves are human. They have hopes and dreams like everyone else. And all it takes is someone who's lost a few nuts and bolts to pull a stunt like some of these shooting victims who

randomly pick a day, time and place to go bye bye.


The truth of the matter is, when an officer is faced with that spit second decision to kill or be killed. He/she doesn't have time to rationalize the moment a suspect moves in such a threatening way that triggers survival instincts.


Also, people take for granted that a suicidal individual, who has chosen to end their life, for whatever reason, may well

in fact choose to use a cop to commit the deed for them.

Stop and think about what you would do, if you were asked, even demanded to kill someone, for them, standing in front of you.

Think about the regrets you might have, taking someone's life who threatened you.

Most people talk, but that walk is something they know nothing about.


Law Enforcement officers are well aware of the risks and demands of their jobs. I'm pretty sure every cop wishes that they lived in Mayberry with just an occasional drunk in one cell, sleeping off his stupor. But that's not reality. Nope, far from it.


Their world is such that not only do they have to carry the weight of their own lives, but the lives of all those whom

they come in contact with.

When a society is full of people who are gluttons for $ $ , property, immoralities and contentions that cannot be measured, that society is in such a state of moral decay, one, having any amount of scruples, left in them, would have to ask why are the people blaming law enforcement for the rottenness they raised unto themselves.


If you raise your child to be garbage, that's what your future society is going to be...... garbage.

Most people don't want to admit that, maybe, their parents failed, them. That, for their behavior, THEY are part of the problem,but for pride, are blind and cannot see where they, themselves, need to change.

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A couple days ago here in Phoenix, BLM tried to organize a riot in a popular business and shopping center.


The Tempe police warned them not to block traffic, then arrested a whole bunch of protesters for doing just that.


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Posted by Wynter
A couple days ago here in Phoenix, BLM tried to organize a riot in a popular business and shopping center.


The Tempe police warned them not to block traffic, then arrested a whole bunch of protesters for doing just that.


Disobedience is what it is.


Is this the story you're referring to?


http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/tempe/2016/09/26/protesters-plan-march-tempes-mill-avenue-bridge/91112168/


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A small group tried block the a busy intersection by one of our main malls here too, like wynter was saying. I don't think anyone was arrested , but they certainly didn't accomplish anything so I guess I hope they enjoyed sweating their balls off


I work right down the road from there nd it's hard enough getting home with the traffic as it is.


God be with me if I ever get placed in that situation ...I don't trust that I wont mow someone down trying to block my car...depends how hungry I am. Lol
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Yeah, that's the one. I read that in the months prior to the police killing him, this guy had been committing a series of strong armed robberies on pharmacies in the area. He would jump the counter during business hours and steal all the Promethazine with Codeine cough syrup (Purple Drank) sometimes indicating he had a weapon, threatening, the whole nine yards.


Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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Posted by GetMisted
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lol El Cajon.
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Posted by Wynter
Yeah, that's the one. I read that in the months prior to the police killing him, this guy had been committing a series of strong armed robberies on pharmacies in the area. He would jump the counter during business hours and steal all the Promethazine with Codeine cough syrup (Purple Drank) sometimes indicating he had a weapon, threatening, the whole nine yards.


Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.


Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

That's right.






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Posted by brianafay
A small group tried block the a busy intersection by one of our main malls here too, like wynter was saying. I don't think anyone was arrested , but they certainly didn't accomplish anything so I guess I hope they enjoyed sweating their balls off


I work right down the road from there nd it's hard enough getting home with the traffic as it is.


God be with me if I ever get placed in that situation ...I don't trust that I wont mow someone down trying to block my car...depends how hungry I am. Lol
Seems there's no shortage of jay-walkin bowling pins, these days.

All it takes is enough stupidity to push someone over the edge and they go cross-country bowling.


Believe me, there's no shortage of stupid among those people.

Looks like the poster who posted the clip below, has a ton of similar stories. (A female Tommy Sotomayor?)





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Posted by bumboklatt
black cops cannot be held to NOT be discriminatory as its not so much about skin color but more about class and "positions"


people are so scared that they form groups or "gangs" within social organizations


a gang is a gang is a gang


cops band together and cover their mistakes


so black cops dont fit into the equation at all




The difference is that a street gang doesn't have the government to back them up. Unless of course,

that government is corrupt.


Doesn't matter though. When you're facing the business side of a gun, in the hands of a lawman,

you don't play stupid games, or else.

That's the part people who play stupid games don't understand. All this marching and stomping and acting

and burning neighborhoods down like spoiled brats, in grown up bodies, is telling of a certain group of people

who really need to be disciplined. Because of the intensity of their rebelliousness, is great, the intensity of

the necessary discipline will have to be that much greater.

It's NOT about color, it's NOT about class and position. It's about civility. When civility goes out the window and

barbarism steps in, Tyranny is waiting in the wings.


I've said it before, I'll say it again...

Unbridled freedom begets chaos and chaos begets cruel tyranny.


Extreme restraint is being demonstrated by law enforcement in the face of the protesters and the rioters.

Time and activist behavior will tell whether that restraint will snap and massacres ensue when PDs and Nat. Guard across the country decide enough is enough and martial law ensues and the first phase of tyranny is initiated.


No government, no nation, no society, no community can exist for long, without law and order.

That's just a simple historical fact.









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Why Police Shoot To Kill

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/28/us/why-police-shoot-to-kill/index.html


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Posted by bumboklatt
Posted by MrFirebird
Posted by bumboklatt
black cops cannot be held to NOT be discriminatory as its not so much about skin color but more about class and "positions"


people are so scared that they form groups or "gangs" within social organizations


a gang is a gang is a gang


cops band together and cover their mistakes


so black cops dont fit into the equation at all




The difference is that a street gang doesn't have the government to back them up. Unless of course,

that government is corrupt.


Doesn't matter though. When you're facing the business side of a gun, in the hands of a lawman,

you don't play stupid games, or else.

That's the part people who play stupid games don't understand. All this marching and stomping and acting

and burning neighborhoods down like spoiled brats, in grown up bodies, is telling of a certain group of people

who really need to be disciplined. Because of the intensity of their rebelliousness, is great, the intensity of

the necessary discipline will have to be that much greater.

It's NOT about color, it's NOT about class and position. It's about civility. When civility goes out the window and

barbarism steps in, Tyranny is waiting in the wings.


I've said it before, I'll say it again...

Unbridled freedom begets chaos and chaos begets cruel tyranny.


Extreme restraint is being demonstrated by law enforcement in the face of the protesters and the rioters.

Time and activist behavior will tell whether that restraint will snap and massacres ensue when PDs and Nat. Guard across the country decide enough is enough and martial law ensues and the first phase of tyranny is initiated.


No government, no nation, no society, no community can exist for long, without law and order.

That's just a simple historical fact.









yeah he messed up


all I was trying to get across is that whole racism thing. At least in El Cajon ( I lived near there) I wouldnt blame it on racism but the cops there are pretty corrupt
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Whether corrupt or not, racism or not.... it all boils down to tempting the gun. When someone feels lucky, he or she

will dance a Russian Roulette and take their chances and roll the dice.

For all anyone knows, Olango may have wanted to commit suicide. May be true with the Scott case - he had been injured in a motorcycle accident and the effects may have pushed him over the edge.

And people want to cite racism or corruption or whatever. When the facts in cases like this may well have been "I want to commit suicide" - pity, in Charlotte, someone died during the peaceful riots, there.


Remember, Scott's wife kept repeating "Don't Do it, Keith! Don't Do it"


People need to grow some thick skin and learn patience, discipline and obedience to the law.

They are NOT going to win. They never do. Crime doesn't pay.





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