Apologies from the USA

This topic was created in the Miscellaneous forum by DMV on Tuesday, March 12, 2024 and has 24 replies.
The Academy Awards have once again irritated my soul.


I want to offer my apologies to the victims of Oppenheimer.


I think it’s real sick to make a movie about this and then pat ourselves on the back.


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Irishman Cillian Murphy bagged an Oscar for that film

Go 🇮🇪 💚
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I just watched it this weekend. I didn’t get the feeling that everyone was patting each other on the back. It was a lot of moral struggles, power struggles, science, intrigue, fear and ultimately scientific accomplishment that created a potential to wipe out this planet. And maybe it will one day. I thought the history of it was really interesting and I learned a lot.
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Yeah plus historical movies are usually not very historical. So double apologies.
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Goofs with the ability to blow up the world. 😳
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Posted by DMV
The Academy Awards have once again irritated my soul.
I want to offer my apologies to the victims of Oppenheimer.
I think it’s real sick to make a movie about this and then pat ourselves on the back.

I'm guessing you haven't seen the film.
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Posted by Generosa
I've never watched the movie honestly, watched just ten minutes then stopped, definitely not for me,
Was he portrayed as the hero?
Because that's what irritates me about American war movies,
Americans are the invaders but they show themselves as the hero who saved that country and the world.

Any particular movie you are referring to?


Platoon, The Thin Red Line, Full Metal Jacket, Apocalypse Now, Saving Private Ryan, Heaven and Earth... none of those portray any heroes or the idea that they've saved the country or the world.
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What irritated me about the Oscars is how the multple actors and actresses presenting this years nominees were clearly matched by color 😆


I guess among liberals, color is still the most defining thing about any person bc that's literally the only common denominator between the nominees and the presenters.


Like, why couldn't Forest Whitaker be presenting Cillian Murphy?


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You ought to listen to hardcore history. Supernova in the East. Gives you a good perspective of what the yanks were up against and why they did it.
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At the end of the day it was a movie which I enjoyed watching. It's fascinating to try to understand the motivations behind what the people at the time did considering their circumstances.


If I was Truman I would have given the order as well. The Japanese were warned ahead of time.
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I didn't watch, because 1-I stopped watching new judeo-anglo garbage, and 2-I saw one picture of the movie with cillian murphy doing cillian murphy and that was enough for me
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I took it more as a historical drama. I really didn't know the story behind it all so I found it interesting. It didn't glorify the actions in any way...just told the story of how it happened. Which I see no issue with. You can't sweep history under the rug and just ignore it like it didn't happen. As far as the actors and director and all them winning awards for it... yeah they did a really good job portraying what happened. That is what those awards are for. I think the whole world agrees that what happened was tragic. No one denies that.
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Death, tragedy, and destruction sells as well as sex does
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Posted by Generosa
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Posted by Generosa
I've never watched the movie honestly, watched just ten minutes then stopped, definitely not for me,
Was he portrayed as the hero?
Because that's what irritates me about American war movies,
Americans are the invaders but they show themselves as the hero who saved that country and the world.






Any particular movie you are referring to?




Platoon, The Thin Red Line, Full Metal Jacket, Apocalypse Now, Saving Private Ryan, Heaven and Earth... none of those portray any heroes or the idea that they've saved the country or the world.





Platoon actually came to mind just forgot the title, never seen the others I never bother

Like imagine Platoon same story same actors but they're Nazis and instead of Vietnam it's France,

would you enjoy watching that?

There are some good ones tho, like in the Valley of Elah, the pianist they feel realistic

But that's just my opinion
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There are quite a few movies about Nazis caught in a time and circumstances they don't fully understand. It's easy to talk about these things in hindsight. If anything we need more movies of this kind that showcase the complexity of human experience and that no one is exclusively good or bad.


I never once felt that "Platoon" justified the war, or portrayed US as heroes, or saviors. In fact there is a harrowing scene where the soldiers massacre an innocent village. What then follows is one soldiers' coming to terms with these events and himself and America's involvement in the war. Where did you get that they are portrayed as heroes??


I just don't think you understand film language and perspective.
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I loved oppenheimer, have the dvd. Well earned Oscar's
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Posted by Generosa
Posted by Enfant-Terrible-II
Posted by Generosa
Posted by Enfant-Terrible-II
Posted by Generosa
I've never watched the movie honestly, watched just ten minutes then stopped, definitely not for me,
Was he portrayed as the hero?
Because that's what irritates me about American war movies,
Americans are the invaders but they show themselves as the hero who saved that country and the world.








Any particular movie you are referring to?






Platoon, The Thin Red Line, Full Metal Jacket, Apocalypse Now, Saving Private Ryan, Heaven and Earth... none of those portray any heroes or the idea that they've saved the country or the world.







Platoon actually came to mind just forgot the title, never seen the others I never bother


Like imagine Platoon same story same actors but they're Nazis and instead of Vietnam it's France,


would you enjoy watching that?


There are some good ones tho, like in the Valley of Elah, the pianist they feel realistic


But that's just my opinion





There are quite a few movies about Nazis caught in a time and circumstances they don't fully understand. It's easy to talk about these things in hindsight. If anything we need more movies of this kind that showcase the complexity of human experience and that no one is exclusively good or bad.




I never once felt that "Platoon" justified the war, or portrayed US as heroes, or saviors. In fact there is a harrowing scene where the soldiers massacre an innocent village. What then follows is one soldiers' coming to terms with these events and himself and America's involvement in the war. Where did you get that they are portrayed as heroes??




I just don't think you understand film language and perspective.





Well tell me this doesn't showcase the American soldier as the Martyr and the vietnamese as the enemy, but I do agree with what you said "If anything we need more movies of this kind that showcase the complexity of human experience and that no one is exclusively good or bad" which my point exactly, a lot of war movies are one sided and never represent reality

"I just don't think you understand film language and perspective"

Unless you're a film expert, we both are on the same boat buddy




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Martyr or canon fodder?


These are perspectives, not the innate meaning or messege of the film. I am sure many soldiers felt like martyrs and the film possibly shows their PERSPECTIVE. But it doesn't make the film itself a case in point for martyrdom.


It's as stretched an argument as when simpletons claim "A Clockwork Orange" is glorifying violence, when what it is is that we are shown the world as seen through the eyes of the antagonist. That's not glorifying violence, as in, that's not the messege or the meaning of the film. We are simply SHOWN the world from a subjective point-of-view.


And yes, I am something of a film expert, whatever that means.
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Horrible movies like Barbie and poor things reflect how cinema and society have gone down hill .
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Posted by Generosa

Would you enjoy watching the same movie but instead of American soldiers it's Nazis somewhere in Europe, with the Nazi soldier running from the enemy then dying a in glorified way as in the scene?

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Oh yeah, for sure! I thought I've made myself clear already on that point. I wish more movies were made in that vein, from a different perspective. Especially about WW2 and the Holocaust. Looking forward to "The Zone of Interest", even though it's not a war movie, but it shows things from a shall we say, a questionable perspective .


And you keep bringing up Elias' "dying in a glorified way" but him dying isn't even about the war or the foreign enemy, it's an inside thing of the relationship between Sheen, Dafoe and Berenger's characters. It completely flew over your head. You are obsessed with these preconcieved notions that you cannot see the forest for the trees.





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" TORA! TORA! TORA! "


According to you, glorifying the attack on Pearl Harbour...? or just showing things from the experience and perspective of Japanese soldiers?


An American production btw.
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I thought the movie was solid. They did a good job emphasizing Oppenheimer's guilt and fear of what the government might do. The movie illustrated how he was a tool and then discarded at the end. My favorite scene was what Einstein told him.


The movie DID NOT depict the war crimes Japan was committing which was the reason for the bomb in the first place amongst the Pearl Habor issue.


I always found it interesting how America and European countries banded together to stop Japan.. but it didn't cross America's mind to drop a nuke on Germany.


Oh well, America protects their own self-interests, right? Japanese get a nuke and the Nazis run off to work at NASA and hide in South America.
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Posted by Generosa

Or maybe you just fail to see what I'm trying to explain to you hence you consistently trying to insult my perception of things and how I am not good enough to have an opinion.

But I guess we both agree on one thing that movies should be a mirror of reality but I still don't understand how you say Platoon was a mirror of Vietnam war without even having any sort of vietnamese perspective on that, I understand it was a movie from a different era but I don't see any big changes whatsoever in Hollywood except going woke for all the wrong reasons.
I never said "Platoon" was a mirror of the Vietnam war. It's a movie that takes place in the Vietnam war at a specific time in history, as FILTERED through the eyes of Charlie Sheen's character and subjective experience.


Also, when you say we both agree "movies should be a mirror of reality" you really need to elaborate on Which reality? Whose reality? We can both live in the same reality yet have a completely different view or experience of it.


I have a feeling that when you say movies should be a mirror of reality, you are really saying movies should have certain specific political qualities or else they are pro- this or anti- that.


See this exactly what I mean when I say you don't understand film language. Or just storytellling in genreral. It is NOT about providing EVERY perspective and telling things from EVERY possible angle. That's not storytelling, that's just lining up information. That's journalism.


It's like you don't understand that any good work of fiction comes with layers and you are not told how to think or feel, you are simply SHOWN things unfold. By your logic, "American Psycho" (like "A Clockwork Orange) is pro serial-murder due to its narrative structure where it all takes place in the head of a serial-killer and it is nowhere explicitly stated that murdering people is bad. You want to include the perspective of the victims and the survivor's years of therapy sessions to know how to feel about (attempted) murder?


Likewise, you actually think a good course of action for "Platoon" would have been to include some sort of Vietnamese perspective when the movie isn't even about politics but a personal journey of this kid coming of age in an unpopular war, "struggling for his soul" while torn between two different father figures. Where exactly in that story do you find room for "the Vietnamese perspective"?


The enemy, the Viet Cong - the danger - is mainly portrayed as shadow figures in the jungle who must be killed. Because that is the subjective reality of combat for these kids, no matter which side.


So you cannot tell me I dont understand what you mean when I have clearly elaborated on everything you've said, I've taken specific examples from your movie of choice, even taken my own example to further elaborate on how film language works.


You have yet to provide examples of how exactly I fail to understand you. You don't really elaborate on that, you just say that I do.


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Posted by LuckyLibra7
I thought the movie was solid. They did a good job emphasizing Oppenheimer's guilt and fear of what the government might do. The movie illustrated how he was a tool and then discarded at the end. My favorite scene was what Einstein told him.
The movie DID NOT depict the war crimes Japan was committing which was the reason for the bomb in the first place amongst the Pearl Habor issue.
I always found it interesting how America and European countries banded together to stop Japan.. but it didn't cross America's mind to drop a nuke on Germany.
Oh well, America protects their own self-interests, right? Japanese get a nuke and the Nazis run off to work at NASA and hide in South America.
To be fair, the Nazis never carried out any big-scale attacks on US soil. If they did, they might have gotten the nuke too. Doubtful though since Germans were suspected to have a nuclear bomb program of their own.


But since you think we should punish rocket scientists who never fired a gun but found themselves in extraordinary circumstances on the wrong side of history, should we also punish child psychiatrists for being on the wrong side of recent history with the trans craze and all?


Things are relative.
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Posted by LuckyLibra7
I thought the movie was solid. They did a good job emphasizing Oppenheimer's guilt and fear of what the government might do. The movie illustrated how he was a tool and then discarded at the end. My favorite scene was what Einstein told him.
The movie DID NOT depict the war crimes Japan was committing which was the reason for the bomb in the first place amongst the Pearl Habor issue.
I always found it interesting how America and European countries banded together to stop Japan.. but it didn't cross America's mind to drop a nuke on Germany.
Oh well, America protects their own self-interests, right? Japanese get a nuke and the Nazis run off to work at NASA and hide in South America.
That's because the nuke wasn't ready yet AND Germany was already defeated.
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Will you also apologize towards a victims as well after serial killer documentaries?
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