Being with a serial killer without knowing it.

This topic was created in the Miscellaneous forum by Timone on Monday, September 27, 2021 and has 38 replies.
Just saw a documentary about Gary Ridgway the Green river killer. He was convicted of murdering 49 women and his wife was with him for 16 years without knowing he was a serial killer. That's a really long time to spend with a monster without knowing it. He must have been really good at hiding who he was or she was being oblivious to it. What do you think? I couldn't find her birth of date but it said was was born in August so either Leo or virgo.

I ran his chart and he's born on the cusp between aqua/pisces. All the astro sites list him as an aqua but if he's born later during the day he's a pisces. Does he come across as an aqua or pisces?

Other placements:

Moon scorpio

Venus Aqua

Mercury Aqua

Mars Pisces

Posted by _elle_

I was going to comment on the mother issues post but it's gone.

Moon Square Pluto = Hades

Add Scorpio moon on top of that...I'd say it is safe to conclude mother and/or woman issues.
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“ His home life was somewhat troubled; relatives have described his mother as domineering and have said that, while young, he witnessed more than one violent argument between his parents “
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Posted by _elle_

I was going to comment on the mother issues post but it's gone.

Moon Square Pluto = Hades

Add Scorpio moon on top of that...I'd say it is safe to conclude mother and/or woman issues.


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“ His home life was somewhat troubled; relatives have described his mother as domineering and have said that, while young, he witnessed more than one violent argument between his parents “
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Was this said about Gary?
A psychopath (his brain development, not astrology) who became obsessed with controlling the opposite sex (Scorpio moon) and had little impulse control due to a weak Pisces Mars.

The other three personal placements (Aqua sun, Venus, Mercury) are like my father's, who wouldn't even kill a chicken for our lunch without protesting, making a complete fuzz about it and deeply apologising to the animal. Can't see it....
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Posted by MyStarsShine
Posted by _elle_

I was going to comment on the mother issues post but it's gone.

Moon Square Pluto = Hades

Add Scorpio moon on top of that...I'd say it is safe to conclude mother and/or woman issues.


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“ His home life was somewhat troubled; relatives have described his mother as domineering and have said that, while young, he witnessed more than one violent argument between his parents “


Was this said about Gary?
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Yes .... it’s documented online

I’ve had a quick look at his chart 😯

He’s an Aqua sun 29°

Be back later with more
.....it’s actually all in the chart

Look at aspects ....
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Posted by Timone
Posted by MyStarsShine
Posted by _elle_

I was going to comment on the mother issues post but it's gone.

Moon Square Pluto = Hades

Add Scorpio moon on top of that...I'd say it is safe to conclude mother and/or woman issues.


👍

“ His home life was somewhat troubled; relatives have described his mother as domineering and have said that, while young, he witnessed more than one violent argument between his parents “


Was this said about Gary?


Yes .... it’s documented online

I’ve had a quick look at his chart 😯

He’s an Aqua sun 29°

Be back later with more
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Thanks. You found the exact time of birth?
@bumboklaat I got a notification you posted in this thread but I can't see it. Would be interesting to see what you think since you're an aqua sun/scorp moon.
Posted by _elle_

I was going to comment on the mother issues post but it's gone.

Moon Square Pluto = Hades

Add Scorpio moon on top of that...I'd say it is safe to conclude mother and/or woman issues.
Yeah i wasnt sure if he was pisces or aqua so i deleted. I am not a fan of dark stuff like this but i am very interested in psychology and human motivations and his early childhood experiences drew a lot of triggers for me.

Anyways it will be hard to tell birthvtime but astrotheme has 7am as approx time which makes him Aqua in 1st house 8th house scorpio moon and mc in sag which would make sense as he moved around in childhood

But he looks like a pisces although he has lot of mutable placements so it will be difficult to tell

Heres more details to his terrible childhood

https://practicalpie.com/gary-ridgeway-biography/

Posted by Undine

A psychopath (his brain development, not astrology) who became obsessed with controlling the opposite sex (Scorpio moon) and had little impulse control due to a weak Pisces Mars.

The other three personal placements (Aqua sun, Venus, Mercury) are like my father's, who wouldn't even kill a chicken for our lunch without protesting, making a complete fuzz about it and deeply apologising to the animal. Can't see it....
My friend is aqua sun/scorpio moon and aqua mercury and he's incredibly humanitarian too.
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Posted by _elle_

I was going to comment on the mother issues post but it's gone.

Moon Square Pluto = Hades

Add Scorpio moon on top of that...I'd say it is safe to conclude mother and/or woman issues.


Yeah i wasnt sure if he was pisces or aqua so i deleted. I am not a fan of dark stuff like this but i am very interested in psychology and human motivations and his early childhood experiences drew a lot of triggers for me.

Anyways it will be hard to tell birthvtime but astrotheme has 7am as approx time which makes him Aqua in 1st house 8th house scorpio moon and mc in sag which would make sense as he moved around in childhood

But he looks like a pisces although he has lot of mutable placements so it will be difficult to tell

Heres more details to his terrible childhood

https://practicalpie.com/gary-ridgeway-biography/
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Thanks for your feedback. I will look into it more after work.
Posted by Timone
Posted by MyStarsShine
Posted by Timone
Posted by MyStarsShine
Posted by _elle_

I was going to comment on the mother issues post but it's gone.

Moon Square Pluto = Hades

Add Scorpio moon on top of that...I'd say it is safe to conclude mother and/or woman issues.


👍

“ His home life was somewhat troubled; relatives have described his mother as domineering and have said that, while young, he witnessed more than one violent argument between his parents “


Was this said about Gary?


Yes .... it’s documented online

I’ve had a quick look at his chart 😯

He’s an Aqua sun 29°

Be back later with more


Thanks. You found the exact time of birth?
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I checked with the ephemeris and it said Aqua .... when drawing up a chart he could be Pisces if born in the eve. Maybe someone has his birth time ... will see what I can find Timone
Posted by GenerousLeeb

And it's not always the mother, absent and abusive fathers can create a killer as well.

This analysis is perfect to understand what really make a serial killer


This wouldn’t help .....

The father, Stanley Kuklinski was a violent alcoholic who beat his children regularly and sometimes beat his wife. Stanley abandoned the family while Richard was still a child, but returned periodically, usually drunk, and his returns were often followed by more beatings for Richard. The mother, Anna was also often abusive. She would beat Richard with broom handles (sometimes breaking the handle on his body during the assaults) and other household objects. He recalled an incident during his pre-teen years when his mother attempted to kill Stanley with a kitchen knife.
idk but if you really loved someone, wouldn't you put up with almost anything? this cancer guy i've been seeing for like maybe 4 weeks now calls me up late at night telling me he's in trouble and might be going to jail for it. and my instant reply was: "hide in my apartment." too bad he didn't get away and is now detained. i don't even know for how long, he just sounded so hopeless.

some people have just this luck in dating, but maybe some people are unwittingly attracted and tend to attract these certain people?
All the bishes in here be like 'Omg that is soo my ex'
I believe it. From what I've seen about seriel killers, they are often very charming and seak out a partner who is so gullible that they would never find out. Also, a lot of (good)serial killers have patterns, like only killing certain times of the year or even years apart, or they plan out their murders so well that it doesn't interfere with their daily lives. Some of them don't kill close to their homes, they might have a separate kill room or something. These aren't always the situations but they are common ones, especially with the serial killers who have been around for a long time b4 getting caught.

Then there are those who go on killing sprees and are usually caught within a few months.
Posted by virgoOPPP

idk but if you really loved someone, wouldn't you put up with almost anything? this cancer guy i've been seeing for like maybe 4 weeks now calls me up late at night telling me he's in trouble and might be going to jail for it. and my instant reply was: "hide in my apartment." too bad he didn't get away and is now detained. i don't even know for how long, he just sounded so hopeless.

some people have just this luck in dating, but maybe some people are unwittingly attracted and tend to attract these certain people?
Oh dear! Your jerk reaction was quite dangerous, or at least asking for trouble.

What has he done? Are you going to wait for him? Bail him out...? Big Grin
Posted by bmoon8

Posting his chart…

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Thanks for this

I notice Uranus in 4th .... unstable home (erratic mother)?

Chiron in 10th wounded father
Posted by GenerousLeeb
Posted by MyStarsShine
Posted by GenerousLeeb

And it's not always the mother, absent and abusive fathers can create a killer as well.

This analysis is perfect to understand what really make a serial killer




This wouldn’t help .....

The father, Stanley Kuklinski was a violent alcoholic who beat his children regularly and sometimes beat his wife. Stanley abandoned the family while Richard was still a child, but returned periodically, usually drunk, and his returns were often followed by more beatings for Richard. The mother, Anna was also often abusive. She would beat Richard with broom handles (sometimes breaking the handle on his body during the assaults) and other household objects. He recalled an incident during his pre-teen years when his mother attempted to kill Stanley with a kitchen knife.


There are a bunch of factors to consider, before fitting someone into the serial killer profile, and an abusive mom is one of many, but not the main reason.

Ted Bundy didn't have an abusive mom, he was the product of incest, his grandfather who some say was also his father was very abusive to all the family members, and Ted actually looked up to him, they also hid the reality of his sister being his real mom which was disturbing as well and fueled his killing mania, but all these factors played a major role in shaping him as a serial killer.
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Yes not just mother

Very troubled home life maybe?

I remember after our baby was born my dad saying “psychology claims over 90% of mental health issues in males can be attributed to the mother”

Cheers dad lol 😂
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Posted by virgoOPPP

idk but if you really loved someone, wouldn't you put up with almost anything? this cancer guy i've been seeing for like maybe 4 weeks now calls me up late at night telling me he's in trouble and might be going to jail for it. and my instant reply was: "hide in my apartment." too bad he didn't get away and is now detained. i don't even know for how long, he just sounded so hopeless.

some people have just this luck in dating, but maybe some people are unwittingly attracted and tend to attract these certain people?


Oh dear! Your jerk reaction was quite dangerous, or at least asking for trouble.

What has he done? Are you going to wait for him? Bail him out...? Big Grin
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he had a road accident

of course i'll bail him out
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Posted by Gobbie

One's natal chart is not enough to determine anything - if nothing else, a natal chart can only provide a glimpse into possible outcomes, but only after taking into account external/environmental influences as well:"Gary Ridgway did not have a happy childhood. Like many serial killers, he was a frequent bed-wetter. This bed-wetting was often the reason for various forms of bizarre punishment from his mother, including freezing cold baths. He was frequently abused and humiliated by his mother, in verbal, physical, and sexual ways. Interviews with Ridgway show that he thought about torturing and killing his mother early in his childhood because his mother was such a “big problem.” His brothers and father also faced abuse from the matriarch of the family."


Most of serial killers was abused or neglected as child
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I believe they were
I wonder if some damaged children grow up to be adults who act out killing their parents? 😳
Posted by bmoon8

Posting his chart…

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Sun conj Mars ~ fearless/forceful

Moon sq Pluto ~ mother/women issues, compulsive/obsessive behaviour

Mars opp Saturn ~ Anger/frustration

Venus opp Pluto ~ intense desire

Venus sq Moon ~ inner tension

Saturn 4th ~ cold family, feeling unloved, tyrannical

Posted by GenerousLeeb
Posted by Timone

Just saw a documentary about Gary Ridgway the Green river killer. He was convicted of murdering 49 women and his wife was with him for 16 years without knowing he was a serial killer. That's a really long time to spend with a monster without knowing it. He must have been really good at hiding who he was or she was being oblivious to it. What do you think? I couldn't find her birth of date but it said was was born in August so either Leo or virgo.

I ran his chart and he's born on the cusp between aqua/pisces. All the astro sites list him as an aqua but if he's born later during the day he's a pisces. Does he come across as an aqua or pisces?

Other placements:

Moon scorpio

Venus Aqua

Mercury Aqua

Mars Pisces




She looks like someone who'd put up with anything, I think both of her ex husbands picked her for that, she wouldn't have found out about her first husband's bisexuality if he hadn't come clean about it.

And she left him after 20 years
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Makes her first husband seem like a catch now in comparison. 😅
Posted by GenerousLeeb

And it's not always the mother, absent and abusive fathers can create a killer as well.

This analysis is perfect to understand what really make a serial killer


Usually the common denominator is their traumatic childhood.
Posted by Timone
Posted by GenerousLeeb

And it's not always the mother, absent and abusive fathers can create a killer as well.

This analysis is perfect to understand what really make a serial killer




Usually the common denominator is their traumatic childhood.
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And that will show up in the birth chart ...
Posted by virgoOPPP

idk but if you really loved someone, wouldn't you put up with almost anything? this cancer guy i've been seeing for like maybe 4 weeks now calls me up late at night telling me he's in trouble and might be going to jail for it. and my instant reply was: "hide in my apartment." too bad he didn't get away and is now detained. i don't even know for how long, he just sounded so hopeless.

some people have just this luck in dating, but maybe some people are unwittingly attracted and tend to attract these certain people?
Why was he detained? 😳
Posted by bmoon8

Posting his chart…

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Thanks.
Posted by GenerousLeeb
Posted by MyStarsShine
Posted by GenerousLeeb

And it's not always the mother, absent and abusive fathers can create a killer as well.

This analysis is perfect to understand what really make a serial killer




This wouldn’t help .....

The father, Stanley Kuklinski was a violent alcoholic who beat his children regularly and sometimes beat his wife. Stanley abandoned the family while Richard was still a child, but returned periodically, usually drunk, and his returns were often followed by more beatings for Richard. The mother, Anna was also often abusive. She would beat Richard with broom handles (sometimes breaking the handle on his body during the assaults) and other household objects. He recalled an incident during his pre-teen years when his mother attempted to kill Stanley with a kitchen knife.


There are a bunch of factors to consider, before fitting someone into the serial killer profile, and an abusive mom is one of many, but not the main reason.

Ted Bundy didn't have an abusive mom, he was the product of incest, his grandfather who some say was also his father was very abusive to all the family members, and Ted actually looked up to him, they also hid the reality of his sister being his real mom which was disturbing as well and fueled his killing mania, but all these factors played a major role in shaping him as a serial killer.
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They all have disturbing relationships with their parents. That plays a major factor.
Posted by MyStarsShine
Posted by bmoon8

Posting his chart…

User Submitted Image


Thanks for this

I notice Uranus in 4th .... unstable home (erratic mother)?

Chiron in 10th wounded father
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He had a very disturbing relationship with his mother. He was a bedwetter until teenage years and his mom would wash his genitals at that age.

Posted by Timone
Posted by MyStarsShine
Posted by bmoon8

Posting his chart…

User Submitted Image


Thanks for this

I notice Uranus in 4th .... unstable home (erratic mother)?

Chiron in 10th wounded father


He had a very disturbing relationship with his mother. He was a bedwetter until teenage years and his mom would wash his genitals at that age.
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Too weird 😐
Posted by -Capriquarius

Possible Pisces. I remember watching documentry about Richard Ramirez, serial killer who wasn't caught for many years although he wasn't paying much attention to dna traits he was leaving.

As for someone so recless it's a long time to not being caught. He was Pisces




I remember watching a documentary about him. Tbh his appearance scares me the most. His eyes are so hollow like he has no soul.

I can't believe a woman decided to write him love letters and married him after he was incarcerated. They are both pisces. She said "I think he's really a great person. He's my best friend; he's my buddy." As far as her opinion on her husband's crimes, Lioy had an unwavering belief in his innocence. "I just believe in him completely,"

Yikes talk about being delusional.


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Posted by GenerousLeeb
Posted by MyStarsShine
Posted by GenerousLeeb
Posted by MyStarsShine
Posted by GenerousLeeb

And it's not always the mother, absent and abusive fathers can create a killer as well.

This analysis is perfect to understand what really make a serial killer




This wouldn’t help .....

The father, Stanley Kuklinski was a violent alcoholic who beat his children regularly and sometimes beat his wife. Stanley abandoned the family while Richard was still a child, but returned periodically, usually drunk, and his returns were often followed by more beatings for Richard. The mother, Anna was also often abusive. She would beat Richard with broom handles (sometimes breaking the handle on his body during the assaults) and other household objects. He recalled an incident during his pre-teen years when his mother attempted to kill Stanley with a kitchen knife.


There are a bunch of factors to consider, before fitting someone into the serial killer profile, and an abusive mom is one of many, but not the main reason.

Ted Bundy didn't have an abusive mom, he was the product of incest, his grandfather who some say was also his father was very abusive to all the family members, and Ted actually looked up to him, they also hid the reality of his sister being his real mom which was disturbing as well and fueled his killing mania, but all these factors played a major role in shaping him as a serial killer.


Yes not just mother

Very troubled home life maybe?

I remember after our baby was born my dad saying “psychology claims over 90% of mental health issues in males can be attributed to the mother”

Cheers dad lol 😂


It was probably Freud who started it.

All serial killers have at least one thing in common : Anger

Check this one here, he wasn't even abused as a kid


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Who was this?
Posted by Gobbie

One's natal chart is not enough to determine anything - if nothing else, a natal chart can only provide a glimpse into possible outcomes, but only after taking into account external/environmental influences as well:"Gary Ridgway did not have a happy childhood. Like many serial killers, he was a frequent bed-wetter. This bed-wetting was often the reason for various forms of bizarre punishment from his mother, including freezing cold baths. He was frequently abused and humiliated by his mother, in verbal, physical, and sexual ways. Interviews with Ridgway show that he thought about torturing and killing his mother early in his childhood because his mother was such a “big problem.” His brothers and father also faced abuse from the matriarch of the family."
Yes I believe his upbringing definitely played a huge role to why he turned out the way he did.
Posted by MyStarsShine

I wonder if some damaged children grow up to be adults who act out killing their parents? 😳
Yeh some do. All that repressed anger finally explodes.
Posted by MyStarsShine
Posted by bmoon8

Posting his chart…

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Sun conj Mars ~ fearless/forceful

Moon sq Pluto ~ mother/women issues, compulsive/obsessive behaviour

Mars opp Saturn ~ Anger/frustration

Venus opp Pluto ~ intense desire

Venus sq Moon ~ inner tension

Saturn 4th ~ cold family, feeling unloved, tyrannical
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Thanks I have to look into this.
Posted by GenerousLeeb
Posted by MyStarsShine
Posted by GenerousLeeb
Posted by MyStarsShine
Posted by GenerousLeeb

And it's not always the mother, absent and abusive fathers can create a killer as well.

This analysis is perfect to understand what really make a serial killer




This wouldn’t help .....

The father, Stanley Kuklinski was a violent alcoholic who beat his children regularly and sometimes beat his wife. Stanley abandoned the family while Richard was still a child, but returned periodically, usually drunk, and his returns were often followed by more beatings for Richard. The mother, Anna was also often abusive. She would beat Richard with broom handles (sometimes breaking the handle on his body during the assaults) and other household objects. He recalled an incident during his pre-teen years when his mother attempted to kill Stanley with a kitchen knife.


There are a bunch of factors to consider, before fitting someone into the serial killer profile, and an abusive mom is one of many, but not the main reason.

Ted Bundy didn't have an abusive mom, he was the product of incest, his grandfather who some say was also his father was very abusive to all the family members, and Ted actually looked up to him, they also hid the reality of his sister being his real mom which was disturbing as well and fueled his killing mania, but all these factors played a major role in shaping him as a serial killer.


Yes not just mother

Very troubled home life maybe?

I remember after our baby was born my dad saying “psychology claims over 90% of mental health issues in males can be attributed to the mother”

Cheers dad lol 😂


It was probably Freud who started it.

All serial killers have at least one thing in common : Anger

Check this one here, he wasn't even abused as a kid


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That’s really chilling….. god I should have been in the FBI.
Posted by Timone

Just saw a documentary about Gary Ridgway the Green river killer. He was convicted of murdering 49 women and his wife was with him for 16 years without knowing he was a serial killer. That's a really long time to spend with a monster without knowing it. He must have been really good at hiding who he was or she was being oblivious to it. What do you think? I couldn't find her birth of date but it said was was born in August so either Leo or virgo.

I ran his chart and he's born on the cusp between aqua/pisces. All the astro sites list him as an aqua but if he's born later during the day he's a pisces. Does he come across as an aqua or pisces?

Other placements:

Moon scorpio

Venus Aqua

Mercury Aqua

Mars Pisces


I always find serial killers tend to leave their partners, especially wives or husbands alone and hide their dirty inhumane deeds for as long as possible from them. I don't know why. Maybe it's because having a loving relationship with a partner gives them a good cover and alibi to outsiders that they're a good and normal unsuspecting person. Why would a loving husband or wife be guilty of such crimes etc etc.

Answer: To hide their tracks.