Bill Whittle

This topic was created in the Miscellaneous forum by P-Angel on Wednesday, July 31, 2013 and has 39 replies.

I love this guy ... and he mentions the American Thinker, and The Conservative Treehouse .... those are both great sites.

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Agreed!
The power of the Greatest generation, who understood firsthand the value and necessity of personal responsibility,
has been usurped, and their ingenuity replaced with the entitlement mentality of the Worst generation--
whose highest aim is a "utopian", nanny state-- where everyone's life sucks... but equally.

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Posted by Montgomery
Agreed!
The power of the Greatest generation, who understood firsthand the value and necessity of personal responsibility,
has been usurped, and their ingenuity replaced with the entitlement mentality of the Worst generation--
whose highest aim is a "utopian", nanny state-- where everyone's life sucks... but equally.

+5 p-gel






Hmm.
I should probably clarify that I didn't watch the first video-- my statement was regarding the second.
You know-- the bloodless war from inside, as opposed to an enemy from without.
But I should probably take a look at the first, while I'm at it.

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I will be the first to admit, that I don??t give a fuck about this story, I haven??t kept up with it, don??t know what has been going on, and don??t give a shit about the hype on either side. So I don??t agree or disagree with anyone. I don??t think he did it or didn??t do it, bottom line is Idk, I wasn??t there I don??t care.
I'm not capable of thinking for myself.




Great post!!
So I framed it.
Robyn, the fact that you say that you don't care, says it all.

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... pft he??s just as bad. I mean he makes his own assumptions and play's on the power of suggestion to manipulate his opinion in a way that seem like he??s presenting facts. A bullshiter knows when they are being bullshited....
Sorry I'm done with this dude, its pretty insulting that he assumes I'm not capable of thinking for myself.


Insanity!
He even said that he was holding it for a friend (that he refused to name).
What normal, American teenage boy doesn't carry around a fistful of women's jewelry, a screwdriver, and baggie with the teensiest bit of shake in the bottom?
Jeez-- idiots.
But srsly:
"On October 21st 2011 a burglary took place a few blocks from Krop Senior High School where Trayvon Martin attended. The stolen property outlined in the Miami-Dade Police Report (PD111021-422483) matches the descriptive presented by SRO Dunn in his School Police report 2011-11477....
[T]o avoid criminal reports for black male students, Dunn wrote up the jewelry as ???found items??, and transferred them, along with the burglary tool, to the Miami-Dade Police property room where they sat on a shelf unassigned to anyone for investigation....
The connections between the Police Burglary report and the School Report of ???found items?? were never made because the regular police detective in charge of the Burglary case had no idea the School Police Dept. had filed a ???found items?? report.
Two differing police departments, and the School Officer, Dunn, intentionally took the criminal element out of the equation ??? instead preferring ???school discipline?? and not ???criminal adjudication??.
It was only when the M-DSPD Internal Affairs investigation kicked in, and six officers gave sworn affidavits, the manipulative scheme to improve criminal statistics within the School System were identified openly."
The rest of the story
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^^^ Check it out for yourself. http://www.renfordpbrowngl.org/district_006.html
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Posted by Prince_Pisces
I will be the first to admit, that I don??t give a fuck about this story, I haven??t kept up with it, don??t know what has been going on, and don??t give a shit about the hype on either side.
Yeah I don't either LOL! I don't get everyones obsession.


^^^^ Youth and Stupidity.
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"However, there was ONE big issue. SRO Dunn never filed a criminal report, nor opened a criminal investigation, surrounding the stolen jewelry. Instead, and as a result of pressure from M-DSPD Chief Hurley to avoid criminal reports for black male students, Dunn wrote up the jewelry as ???found items??, and transferred them, along with the burglary tool, to the Miami-Dade Police property room where they sat on a shelf unassigned to anyone for investigation.
A separate report of ???criminal Mischief?? (T-08809) was filed for the additional issue of writing ???WTF?? on a school locker. [It was the search for the marker used to write the graffiti that led to the backpack search].
The school discipline, ???suspension??, was attached to the graffiti and not the stolen jewelry.

"The connections between the Police Burglary report and the School Report of ???found items?? were never made because the regular police detective in charge of the Burglary case had no idea the School Police Dept. had filed a ???found items?? report.
Two differing police departments, and the School Officer, Dunn, intentionally took the criminal element out of the equation ??? instead preferring ???school discipline?? and not ???criminal adjudication??.
It was only when the M-DSPD Internal Affairs investigation kicked in, and six officers gave sworn affidavits, the manipulative scheme to improve criminal statistics within the School System were identified openly.
School Superintendent Alberto Carvalho gave his hire, Police Chief Hurley, instructions to reduce the criminal behavior of young black males. The chosen strategy between them, to insure optical success, was to stop using the Criminal Justice System to punish black student behavior. Instead they instructed the School Resource Officers to use school discipline in place of criminal justice.
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"However, there was ONE big issue. SRO Dunn never filed a criminal report, nor opened a criminal investigation, surrounding the stolen jewelry. Instead, and as a result of pressure from M-DSPD Chief Hurley to avoid criminal reports for black male students, Dunn wrote up the jewelry as ???found items??, and transferred them, along with the burglary tool, to the Miami-Dade Police property room where they sat on a shelf unassigned to anyone for investigation."
IF this story is true, then what we have here is a case of political corruption meddling in the
affairs of the school security system. Why?
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Associated with link in my above related replies, this is interesting:
"Another approach was the use of The Baker Act, to quantify behaviors under health HIPPA law secrecy by assigning the students with psychological problems. This allowed them to again use school discipline and work around criminal reports.
Without the reports, the statistics would improve immensely; And improve they did."
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The final approach, to insure no-one would find out about the manipulation, was to change the Standard Operating Procedure (SOP) for inter-agency information sharing.
This new SOP was outlined by a communications directive in 2010 forbidding the sharing of Miami-Dade School Police reports to outside agencies without redaction. Officers had to send any and all requests through the public information officer.
Hence, the furor of Chief Hurley when the Robles article hit the press and cited police reports ??? Hurley smelled a leaker and launched an investigation.
Ultimately the internal affairs investigation initiated by Hurley led to his own firing, because the officers questioned told the internal affairs investigators the truth of what was going on and outed the scheme.
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One of the examples of this in action was the jewelry incident and Trayvon Martin ??? as accidentally outlined in the Herald report. But the Herald never knew their reporting had launched an internal affairs investigation which led to the collapse of the scheme.
Meanwhile the stolen jewelry from the burglary (PD111021-422483) was sitting on a shelf in the Property Room listed as (2011-11477 ???found items) gathering dust.
Until we started digging, and the FOIA requests revealed not only the scheme, but the fact a victim was never made whole with the return of their items.
That is, until now.
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Yesterday we contacted Detective Manresa, assigned to the burglary case, of the Miami-Dade Police Department to notify him some of his victims?? stolen items were actually in the Miami-Dade property room:
Subject: Attn: Detective Omar Manresa [RE: PD111021-422483 Burglary at XXXX XX XXXXX]
Dear Detective Manresa,
Per phone conversation of 4/30/13 @ 10:20am regarding burglary incident #PD111021-422483
During the course of research surrounding an internal affairs M-DSPD investigation in March/April of 2012 it coincidentally came to our attention that School Resource Officer Darryl Dunn (Dr. Krop Senior High School) filled out a report of items from a student??s backpack without criminal attachment.
The internal documentation used by SRO Dunn only listed the contents of the backpack as ???found items?? and a burglary tool. He was trying to avoid subjecting the student [Trayvon Martin] to a criminal investigation, therefore no criminal report, nor investigation was initiated.
This action by SRO Dunn was taken at the direction and request of former M-DSPD Police Chief Hurley who had advised his officers to avoid writing criminal reports on student offenders; Apparently in an attempt to artificially improve the recorded criminal student statistics.
The internal report #2011-11477 never attached the stolen property to the student who was carrying it when searched. The property was taken to the custody of Carmen Gonzalez, Property Specialist, where it was held, and still should be located.
The details surrounding this event are outlined in the following sworn affidavits completed by members of the Miami-Dade School Police Department. (they are extensive)
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http://www.scribd.com/doc/135564937/Sergeant-William-Tagle-Internal-Affairs-Investigative-Report
 http://www.scribd.com/doc/135684004/Steven-N-Hadley-Sr-affidavit-and-investigation
 http://www.scribd.com/doc/135692728/Affidavit-From-Commander-Deanna-Fox-Williams
 http://www.scribd.com/doc/136164820/sergeant-Lourdes-Hodges-Sworn-Statement-Affidavit
 http://www.scribd.com/doc/136392330/Sworn-affidavit-of-Detective-Gylamar-Ochoa-MDSPD
 http://www.scribd.com/doc/136642019/Sergeant-Bradley-Rosh-MDSPD-Sworn-Affidavit
 As mentioned, if you contact the victim of Miami-Dade burglary #PD111021-422483, and review with them the property confiscated by M-DSPD SRO Dunn listed under #2011-11477, we believe you will be able to return at least a portion of the stolen merchandise.
Perhaps some of the items returned may have sentimental, as well as obvious financial, value.
Right is Right Even If Nobody Does it; and Wrong is Wrong, even if Everybody Does it??_
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I view most people under 30 with great contempt for their ardent arrogance, spiteful stupidity,absolute immorality, hardened ignorance and ridiculous unoriginality.
There are of course rare exceptions, but they certainly are about as commonly encountered as the Smurfs are.
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Posted by Montgomery
Agreed!
The power of the Greatest generation, who understood firsthand the value and necessity of personal responsibility,
has been usurped, and their ingenuity replaced with the entitlement mentality of the Worst generation--
whose highest aim is a "utopian", nanny state-- where everyone's life sucks... but equally.

+5 p-gel






Hmm.
I should probably clarify that I didn't watch the first video-- my statement was regarding the second.
You know-- the bloodless war from inside, as opposed to an enemy from without.
But I should probably take a look at the first, while I'm at it.

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I know. Looks like people can only acknowledge the first video because they like feeling prejudiced, so it's all they want to talk about.
This thread isn't about the Martin/Zimmerman case .... they don't know that though, it appears.
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This guy surrounds himself with facts, to analyze ... he's cool.
Kind of reminds me of MrFirebird.
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This guy surrounds himself with facts, to analyze ... he's cool.
Kind of reminds me of MrFirebird.


Thank you, P-Angel. smile

For those of you who think that I am a "racist" and that the Scandal intel regarding the Miami-Dade Schools Police Department is some kind of joke, & that these people are figments of racist/political imagination on the web, may I suggest that you allow the following assist you in comprehending the contrary.
Note the date and times and chronological order of events back to Feb 26 2012 and the time BEFORE all these things are said to have taken place.
Friday, March 23, 2012, Miami-Dade Schools Police Department (M-DSPD) (Charles Hurley in White)
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^^^^ Why wait until after this scandal to allege "Sexual Harassment" claims????
Because there is a connection to the M-DSPD of covering up the true nature of the
amount of juvenile criminal activity at the Dr. Michael M. Krop High School in which at least one
incident involving Trayvon Martin had occured.
Again, this information is NOT fictional fantasy!
http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/Trayvon-Martin-Suspended-From-School-Three-Times-Report-144403305.html
http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Trayvon-Martin-Punched-George-Zimmerman-Slammed-His-Head-Into-Sidewalk-Report-144230505.html
"Facts:
Trayvon Benjamin Martin, born February 5, 1995, was a 17-year-old African-American high school student who lived in Miami Gardens, Florida with his mother Sybrina Fulton. In February 2012, Martin was visting his father Tracy Martin in Sanford, Florida after receiving a ten-day suspension from Krop Senior High School. The suspension stemmed from the discovery of drug residue in Martin's book bag."
http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/05/us/trayvon-martin-shooting-fast-facts
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Mind Control
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[You] want to be an American idiot?!?!?!???!?!!!!????!!!
One nation controlled by the media.
Information age of hysteria.
It's calling out to idiot America.
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I don't take opinions as facts, and that was my own point. Its great if you want to seek out alternative information, but its still good to think for yourself.
And at this point there is no evidence to prove that the jewelry found in his locker was stolen.


and if it was? stolen that is? does it change the fact that he was followed and killed? If this was a white boy getting murdered by a black vigilante and the white boy had items in his locker, guess what this moron (what is he a scorpio or leo, anyways stupid cunt), would be on the opposite end of things because that's how racists work, no objectivity.



Why are you asking me? I already said I don't give a fuck either way.
If your looking at this situation from a Conservative point of view, race takes a backseat to the priority protecting second amendment rights. To say I have the right to carry a gun, I have the right to use it if I'm being attacked and my life is threatened.
Now if you jump in the backseat and ask the conservative, do you feel young black men are a bigger threat to your life? Is that raciest to say yes? sure, but its also a statistically logical assumption, in certain areas. If people feel that fact is justified without objectivity, does that make them a raciest?
Now keeping in this theme of objectivity, think about Mr. Firebirds race threads. Pretend for a min, that Mr. Firebird is black, and flip what he's has to say to apply to the opposite race. Are you still offended? Does it sound any different then what black people here say? or is it just more acceptable in our society to defend and speak up for the black race vs the white race?
Like I said, I don't give a fuck about either side. And if everyone felt that way, then there would be no sides.

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Robyn, NONE of my threads are about "RACE" they are about FACTS AND TRUTH!
That you cannot distinguish the difference and persist in this BS that I am racist are hallmarks of "STUPIDITY"!!!
NO, I am NOT a racist!!- I HATE STUPIDITY, HYPOCRISY AND LIES!!! Always have always will!
Get it right! If you have a problem with it, then build a bridge and get over it!

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Posted by robyn808
I don't take opinions as facts, and that was my own point. Its great if you want to seek out alternative information, but its still good to think for yourself.
And at this point there is no evidence to prove that the jewelry found in his locker was stolen.


and if it was? stolen that is? does it change the fact that he was followed and killed? If this was a white boy getting murdered by a black vigilante and the white boy had items in his locker, guess what this moron (what is he a scorpio or leo, anyways stupid cunt), would be on the opposite end of things because that's how racists work, no objectivity.



Robyn, NONE of my threads are about "RACE" they are about FACTS AND TRUTH!
That you cannot distinguish the difference and persist in this BS that I am racist are hallmarks of "STUPIDITY"!!!
NO, I am NOT a racist!!- I HATE STUPIDITY, HYPOCRISY AND LIES!!! Always have always will!
Get it right! If you have a problem with it, then build a bridge and get over it!

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Please explain to me where the fuck I called you or even implied your a raciest?
You wanna talk about hallmarks of "STUPIDITY"!!!
Saying a thread title "BLACK PEOPLE WAKE UP!!!!" isn't about race, when your clearly referencing a specific race.
I don't build bridges muther fucker, but I am in the habit of burning them. So go fuck yourself, with all the STUPIDITY, HYPOCRISY AND LIES!!! you just tried to throw at me.
Fuckin idiot!


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Did you not notice that I was "Quoting" the video??????
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Posted by robyn808
I don't take opinions as facts, and that was my own point. Its great if you want to seek out alternative information, but its still good to think for yourself.
And at this point there is no evidence to prove that the jewelry found in his locker was stolen.


Blogs aren't acceptable references, except in the rare instance that they actually provide bona-fide reference numbers that can be used to verify each and every document.
Up with FOIA! Tongue
Have you found any info saying that it was a hoax?
Probably not-- because it's verifiable information.
If, however, it *was* a hoax-- I assure you, the media would have gone to GREAT LENGTHS to expose it.

Now--
Usually, when I'm cross-referencing someone's bullshit blog, the first thing I do is take a quote from said blog and plug it in with the word "hoax"--
99.99% of the time, I get a ton of hits because people LOVE to expose hoaxes.
This one-- the only thing it kicked back regarding a hoax was from a few people who were reminded of the Tawana Brawley incident-- or rather, the Tawana Brawley Hoax.
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Ah-- found this buried.
It's from NBC MIAMI-- how's that for legit?
So, Hurley calls for an investigation, then lo and behold-- a couple of people suddenly remember that he has harassed them, sexually!
Who knows-- maybe he did-- that place is dirty, from the ground up.
But no matter, here's your corroborating source, which also references the original article.

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Why are you asking me? I already said I don't give a fuck either way.
If your looking at this situation from a Conservative point of view, race takes a backseat to the priority protecting second amendment rights. To say I have the right to carry a gun, I have the right to use it if I'm being attacked and my life is threatened.
Now if you jump in the backseat and ask the conservative, do you feel young black men are a bigger threat to your life? Is that raciest to say yes? sure, but its also a statistically logical assumption, in certain areas. If people feel that fact is justified without objectivity, does that make them a raciest?
Now keeping in this theme of objectivity, think about Mr. Firebirds race threads. Pretend for a min, that Mr. Firebird is black, and flip what he's has to say to apply to the opposite race. Are you still offended? Does it sound any different then what black people here say? or is it just more acceptable in our society to defend and speak up for the black race vs the white race?
Like I said, I don't give a fuck about either side. And if everyone felt that way, then there would be no sides.


This is good.
And you're right; if everyone could look at it objectively, we would be better off-- no sides.
But that is difficult to begin with, and (bringing it back to the point of p-angel's thread) the media/government plays on existing differences and/or rifts between races, classes, and sexes in an effort to keep the citizenry divided against each other.
It facilitates tyranny, and keeps our eyes off of their criminal activities.
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Ah-- found this buried.
It's from NBC MIAMI-- how's that for legit?
So, Hurley calls for an investigation, then lo and behold-- a couple of people suddenly remember that he has harassed them, sexually!
Who knows-- maybe he did-- that place is dirty, from the ground up.
But no matter, here's your corroborating source, which also references the original article.

NBC Link


Did you read my post? I'll post it again, below.
Also did you read all those scribd links?
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Posted by P-Angel

This guy surrounds himself with facts, to analyze ... he's cool.
Kind of reminds me of MrFirebird.


Thank you, P-Angel. smile

For those of you who think that I am a "racist" and that the Scandal intel regarding the Miami-Dade Schools Police Department is some kind of joke, & that these people are figments of racist/political imagination on the web, may I suggest that you allow the following assist you in comprehending the contrary.
Note the date and times and chronological order of events back to Feb 26 2012 and the time BEFORE all these things are said to have taken place.
Friday, March 23, 2012, Miami-Dade Schools Police Department (M-DSPD) (Charles Hurley in White)
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How do you not understand that title and video is referencing race? Its a video talking about violence within a specific race. Which makes it a thread about violence but also race.
Did you notice I didn't say...
think about Mr. Firebirds raciest threads
NO! I said...
think about Mr. Firebirds race threads
Was I even the one to bring that up? No I was responding to CluelessCancer.


Robyn, you responded with me in mind.
"..... of things because that's how racists work, no objectivity." - clueless

Why bring me up, then in response to clueless???
She's the one that brought up the racism, you referred to me in reply to her.
That's where you got caught.

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Was the the trayvon thing about race?
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Crump and company seem to have thought so. The BIG media sure dished it out.
M-DSPD seem to have acted and reacted like morons.
FL Special Pros. Angela Corey appears to have nasty stains on her...
This IS BIG stuff.
IMHO, it could VERY well be tied to gun control issues - stand your ground etc.
IMHO, IF somebody is getting their head smashed into the pavement, killing his/her attacker
is a reasonable option. I don't give a rip what color the attacker or the victim is.
IF you haven't seen it, you should google Roderick Scott -
tell me what he did.






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^^^^ Posted on Nov. 5 2010
A security guard who dreamed of becoming a police officer has been arrested in a two-month crime spree that targeted vending machines at more than a dozen schools in Broward and Miami-Dade counties, authorities said Friday.
Sergio Riveron, 21, a Hialeah man who worked as a private guard in Miami-Dade, was taken into custody on burglary charges at about 2 a.m. Oct. 28 at Deerfield Beach High -- the last of three high schools in Broward that he and an accomplice allegedly struck that night, the Broward Sheriff's Office said.
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Oh so what? Now you trying to say you have a problem with Portuguees? You wanna say I'm not white? DO IT!


You know...., When Columbus came, he either really thought he landed in India or he lied about it.
We know this because when the white man came back, they called us "Indians". They called us this, ever since.
You why I can say this? Because the Frybread Man can!
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Ha Ha Heya Heya Ho Ho....
ROTFLMAD!
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Posted by CluelessCancer
Mr Firebrand i don't care if you put your hand on the holy bible and say you're not a racist, but your RACIST dude!
stop fronting, It's like watching Tom Cruise stay in the Closet, it's clear as day dude.
just get out.



You're a liar. A worthless liar.
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What is in it for me???? Nothing.
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Posted by Montgomery
Hmm.
I should probably clarify that I didn't watch the first video-- my statement was regarding the second.
You know-- the bloodless war from inside, as opposed to an enemy from without.
But I should probably take a look at the first, while I'm at it.

*shrugs*



I know. Looks like people can only acknowledge the first video because they like feeling prejudiced, so it's all they want to talk about.
This thread isn't about the Martin/Zimmerman case .... they don't know that though, it appears.
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Yeah-- I jumped on the bandwagon, too, but will be happy to steer back in the right direction.
It's a worthwhile topic-- and the main goal of the media, etc., is to divide.
This thread (among others) is a great example of their success.
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