Discussing the T

Posted by Solo
I have a few questions that pop up and we can tackle them each individually.
This can get messy quick because of things like puberty blockers vs actual surgery and things like that.
If you don't have the info already, don't look it up yet, but take a rough guess on how many you would say for blockers and then surgery and then overall population is trans. And we'll go through afterwards.
Is acceptance the same thing as "pushing?" If we didn't beat on left handed kids to use their rights, would it be viewed as pushing left handedness? This is kinda what I view it akin to. I also do think it kinda fits into the "mental illness" bracket as it's fundamentally your brain and body not feeling like they match, right? However I don't think I should be bothered what they undergo to treat it if you view it that way, or make themselves comfortable or just be who they want. I have a trans cousin FTM and tbh she always did strike me as boyish. Pretty much everything about her. How her features were. How she stood and walked. How she acted. Not over the top, just comfortable. I haven't seen him in a long time, but it wasn't super surprising to hear about. Not that I ever explicitly thought that of them though.
I think we also know at this point that it's not gays and trans people in general that are attacking children. Which is part of the fear mongering that's used.

Posted by Stardustmopped
There’s a lot of topics here but the one I’m curious about is that …men are transitioning into women because they failed to live up to the societal expectations of what it means to be a man? Right?
I’ve seen a lot of hypermasculine men transition. Gabbi Tuft former WWE wrestler comes to mind. They were hot af as a man. How do we explain those people? I don’t know their life, it could have stemmed from trauma but they seemed pretty well adjusted as a man-wife, family, career.

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Posted by Solo
I have a few questions that pop up and we can tackle them each individually.
This can get messy quick because of things like puberty blockers vs actual surgery and things like that.
If you don't have the info already, don't look it up yet, but take a rough guess on how many you would say for blockers and then surgery and then overall population is trans. And we'll go through afterwards.
Is acceptance the same thing as "pushing?" If we didn't beat on left handed kids to use their rights, would it be viewed as pushing left handedness? This is kinda what I view it akin to. I also do think it kinda fits into the "mental illness" bracket as it's fundamentally your brain and body not feeling like they match, right? However I don't think I should be bothered what they undergo to treat it if you view it that way, or make themselves comfortable or just be who they want. I have a trans cousin FTM and tbh she always did strike me as boyish. Pretty much everything about her. How her features were. How she stood and walked. How she acted. Not over the top, just comfortable. I haven't seen him in a long time, but it wasn't super surprising to hear about. Not that I ever explicitly thought that of them though.
I think we also know at this point that it's not gays and trans people in general that are attacking children. Which is part of the fear mongering that's used.

I want to live in a culture that accepts a wide spectrum of femininity and masculinity. I don’t want to live in a culture that validates people’s ideas that there is something wrong with them that they can or should change.
I don’t think its gays and trans attacking children, I think that the pendulum has shifted to far in parts of our cultural that it is encouraging bad ideas.
I think that people who are struggling to process trauma are often the ones in these mental health spaces. The mental health spaces in our culture is mostly dominated with people who have very liberal views. And again this comes down attaching Trans issues with Gay issues, because excepting who you are attracted to is not the same thing as rejecting who you are. But often in the liberal culture I see it treated as the same thing.
My niece came to me and said I don't feel like a girl, I said cool neither do I, her therapist at collage started her on a gender transition therapy program, and put her into an LGTB pier group that is just a cycle of validation. This is my step sisters kids, has SA trauma from 14 yo, and a lifetime of neglect. That kind of acceptance and validation is exactly what she has been craving her whole life, and she'd deciding on wither or not she's gonna go on hormones, but hasn't even considered what it would be like to shave your face everyday. She just doesn't want her boobs anymore so she doesn't have to feel like a target or victim.

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Posted by Stardustmopped
There’s a lot of topics here but the one I’m curious about is that …men are transitioning into women because they failed to live up to the societal expectations of what it means to be a man? Right?
I’ve seen a lot of hypermasculine men transition. Gabbi Tuft former WWE wrestler comes to mind. They were hot af as a man. How do we explain those people? I don’t know their life, it could have stemmed from trauma but they seemed pretty well adjusted as a man-wife, family, career.

Those men who transform themselves as women want to get fucked. My guess is they tired of living as a man and they think living as women would be easy. Even I gotta say some transvestite look cute while some can at least shave their faces if they want to go all the way with it.

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Posted by slug
A lot of it is weird as fuck. Gender dysphoria is a mental illness, but I don't think everyone has it.. I think it's become trendy and it's also become an excuse for weirdos to take advantage of others. It's brought nothing but problems. I have (had) a friend who was a normal 20 something woman, really sweet, feminine/girly. She moved to Berlin and became a "little boy" ...not a man, she refers to herself as a boy. Takes weird half naked pictures of herself with captions like "I'm a cute little boy" NO. Wtf no. Weirdo. I don't know that person anymore. All she does is post angry messages about trans rights and has aggressive arguments with people and posts them publicly. I think I eventually unfollowed her because it was ridiculous.

Posted by Astrobyn
@Solo
I think this is a big enough issue that 1 out of 10 people may know someone who is dealing with it. That is a relatively small percentage of people.
But this topic in our culture is affecting almost everyone and is causing a lot dividing our culture. Either your for "THIS" and "THAT", or your against it "ALL". And I think my argument is that "THIS" and "THAT" are two very different things, and the division more about the "THAT" then the "THIS", so lets talk about that.
(lol, that paragraph just delighted my gem moon)
I don't understand your last paragraph, but I will say that I do care about what vulnerable people in our society are being exposed to, that their feelings that something is wrong with them are systematically being validated, and encouraged. I think this is very harmful.

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A lot of it is weird as fuck. Gender dysphoria is a mental illness, but I don't think everyone has it.. I think it's become trendy and it's also become an excuse for weirdos to take advantage of others. It's brought nothing but problems. I have (had) a friend who was a normal 20 something woman, really sweet, feminine/girly. She moved to Berlin and became a "little boy" ...not a man, she refers to herself as a boy. Takes weird half naked pictures of herself with captions like "I'm a cute little boy" NO. Wtf no. Weirdo. I don't know that person anymore. All she does is post angry messages about trans rights and has aggressive arguments with people and posts them publicly. I think I eventually unfollowed her because it was ridiculous.

That's a "little" with no boundaries. who may or not be trans by your story, idk them
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She's a fully grown adult woman, by no means is she mentally younger. I think she takes hormones, and she's growing a mustache or she's dying it idk but she looks weird af.

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Posted by Jumpin_Jupiter

Posted by Stardustmopped
There’s a lot of topics here but the one I’m curious about is that …men are transitioning into women because they failed to live up to the societal expectations of what it means to be a man? Right?
I’ve seen a lot of hypermasculine men transition. Gabbi Tuft former WWE wrestler comes to mind. They were hot af as a man. How do we explain those people? I don’t know their life, it could have stemmed from trauma but they seemed pretty well adjusted as a man-wife, family, career.

Those men who transform themselves as women want to get fucked. My guess is they tired of living as a man and they think living as women would be easy. Even I gotta say some transvestite look cute while some can at least shave their faces if they want to go all the way with it.

Damn. This is exactly what someone said to me. He has a friend who's now gay?? Or something because he says he knew his friend as a teenager and this friend had posters of hot women on his walls. And me being a doubter,I was like, well he was just suppressing his sexuality by being hyper masculine and super straight (which is a valid gay experience sometimes) .. but his friend was watching straight porn at the time too. So, I don't know, maybe there are a few that go that route too.
Hot take, but I think the most outspoken transgender people in today's society tend to really let their issues overshadow the gender's/sex's rights. Are trans women really understanding or even advocating for born-as-female rights? They may never truly know. I respect their expression though even if they proverbially have grabbed the mic and hogged it to themselves 🙃 sorry, I'm just neglected

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Posted by Astrobyn
@Solo
Ok so lets talk about policy, I live in California at least for the next 4 months.
Currently in public school, there are laws that prohibit educators from notifying parents if your kid changes their name or pronouns.
All of the High schools in the town that I live have a healthcare clinic inside of the high school, they sign all these kids up for Medical-Cal and now they have free healthcare down the hall from Algebra. and these kids can get any medical care without the knowledge or permission of their parents paid for by the state. Including Hormonal Birth Control, more awesome laws.
You see where this is going? I see where this had good intentions to solve problems, but you are creating more problems. And I just don't think that what the government should be for.

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Posted by Astrobyn
@Solo
Ok so lets talk about policy, I live in California at least for the next 4 months.
Currently in public school, there are laws that prohibit educators from notifying parents if your kid changes their name or pronouns.
All of the High schools in the town that I live have a healthcare clinic inside of the high school, they sign all these kids up for Medical-Cal and now they have free healthcare down the hall from Algebra. and these kids can get any medical care without the knowledge or permission of their parents paid for by the state. Including Hormonal Birth Control, more awesome laws.
You see where this is going? I see where this had good intentions to solve problems, but you are creating more problems. And I just don't think that what the government should be for.

Currently in public school, there are laws that prohibit educators from notifying parents if your kid changes their name or pronouns. ----- yeah this is something that I'm unsure about. To "turn kids in" could hurt them if their parents are those kinds, but also maybe it could cause undue influence to "try it out" tho I'm not really sure, just a personal thought. Ultimately I think it's on the parents to be on top of their childs health though and should know about that kinda stuff going on before school would ever be aware.
All of the High schools in the town that I live have a healthcare clinic inside of the high school, they sign all these kids up for Medical-Cal and now they have free healthcare down the hall from Algebra. and these kids can get any medical care without the knowledge or permission of their parents paid for by the state. Including Hormonal Birth Control, more awesome laws. ----- idk about a school but this doesn't sound bad to me? What is any medical care, ANY ANY? I don't see contraceptives being provided to a teenager that wants them as a bad thing. And kids are a wide range and we know how much they differ year to year.

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Posted by stope2pt0
Perhaps the movement is for covert depopulation without ripping out the camos.
2. Hormone therapy is essentially sterilization. These people will never experience their own family in its raw form.
This is all promoted and subsidized by your government. And other 'left' leaning admins across Europe etc.
In my opinion, it is all about a religious / world domination shift. Weaken the population, run their house of cards on fumes then finish them off.

Posted by Astrobyn
I’m really struggling with the how our society combines Transgender issues and polices with Gay issues and polices. So, I would like to talk my thoughts out with anyone willing to discuss this with me respectfully.
I could never really validate the transgender issue, because gender has little value to me. I see gender as a mechanism in the systems of life to keep it advancing.
What we consider male vs female in humanity, mostly has to do with cultural constructs. I will agree most of the time it is just an exaggeration of biology. Women are built with bigger hips, so we walk with a sway naturally, our faces flush during arousal so we put makeup on to mimic those experiences. Which I think really comes down to a matting competition in some ways.
I do believe that masculine and femineity is a spectrum. Some of it is natural based on or biology and some of it is our experience and conditioning. But different cultures have valued different feminine and masculine traits, which become the cultural norm for them.
But for someone to say, I feel like the opposite gender makes no sense to me. I do not “feel” like a woman, I have the body of a woman, I have the cultural experience and conditioning of a woman. But that is all superficial and has little do with how I feel as a human being.
But that’s all gender is to me, the body (genitalia/hormones) and experience/conditioning. So, if a person does not have the body or conditioning of gender, how do they feel that they are that gender?
I agree that we all take on an identity, we create and nurture an ego which is vital to participate in the shared experience in this world. And fuck it if I care what identity you want to take on, and what experiences you want to have while you are on this earth. But I don’t like how some parts of our culture are promoting or encouraging this, because I think this is affecting some of the most vulnerable people.
I do not mean this as an insult, but when I look at the individual Trans experience, it seems to always be a response to trauma, or fetishization.
I see men and women who don’t always fit, the gender roles of the culture, have a lot of negative experiences, and that trauma can result in the rejection of what people see as their deficiency in that gender defined by the culture.
And honestly when I see Transgender women oversexualizing themselves 24/7, I do see it as a fetishization of women, and find it insulting. But I see this more as sexuality vs identity. If that makes sense?
Anyways these are my thoughts when it comes to gender and western culture, I would love a discussion to understand different POV further.

Posted by xxAjuxx

Posted by Astrobyn
I’m really struggling with the how our society combines Transgender issues and polices with Gay issues and polices. So, I would like to talk my thoughts out with anyone willing to discuss this with me respectfully.
I could never really validate the transgender issue, because gender has little value to me. I see gender as a mechanism in the systems of life to keep it advancing.
What we consider male vs female in humanity, mostly has to do with cultural constructs. I will agree most of the time it is just an exaggeration of biology. Women are built with bigger hips, so we walk with a sway naturally, our faces flush during arousal so we put makeup on to mimic those experiences. Which I think really comes down to a matting competition in some ways.
I do believe that masculine and femineity is a spectrum. Some of it is natural based on or biology and some of it is our experience and conditioning. But different cultures have valued different feminine and masculine traits, which become the cultural norm for them.
But for someone to say, I feel like the opposite gender makes no sense to me. I do not “feel” like a woman, I have the body of a woman, I have the cultural experience and conditioning of a woman. But that is all superficial and has little do with how I feel as a human being.
But that’s all gender is to me, the body (genitalia/hormones) and experience/conditioning. So, if a person does not have the body or conditioning of gender, how do they feel that they are that gender?
I agree that we all take on an identity, we create and nurture an ego which is vital to participate in the shared experience in this world. And fuck it if I care what identity you want to take on, and what experiences you want to have while you are on this earth. But I don’t like how some parts of our culture are promoting or encouraging this, because I think this is affecting some of the most vulnerable people.
I do not mean this as an insult, but when I look at the individual Trans experience, it seems to always be a response to trauma, or fetishization.
I see men and women who don’t always fit, the gender roles of the culture, have a lot of negative experiences, and that trauma can result in the rejection of what people see as their deficiency in that gender defined by the culture.
And honestly when I see Transgender women oversexualizing themselves 24/7, I do see it as a fetishization of women, and find it insulting. But I see this more as sexuality vs identity. If that makes sense?
Anyways these are my thoughts when it comes to gender and western culture, I would love a discussion to understand different POV further.

I have nothing to say other than this whole thing 'feels' evil to me and I just don't understand.
(I can't actually believe I'm allowed to see men beat a woman face in on tv and people cheer.)
There are some questionable things that are off about how society (we) deal in 'genders' but in nature, the male has the sperm, the female has the egg. That's it.
When people 'feel' like another sex or are confused with their identity growing up, this stage in development is normal. However this stage in development is being used now to manipulate (both the child and parents) to 'disconnect all' from all natural self including the heart.
So guess what, now people are not making wise decisions and quick to anger because the respect and value to self is now is gone.
What happens when there is no value in what one sees in the mirror? Damage.

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Posted by Astrobyn
@Solo
Ok so lets talk about policy, I live in California at least for the next 4 months.
Currently in public school, there are laws that prohibit educators from notifying parents if your kid changes their name or pronouns.
All of the High schools in the town that I live have a healthcare clinic inside of the high school, they sign all these kids up for Medical-Cal and now they have free healthcare down the hall from Algebra. and these kids can get any medical care without the knowledge or permission of their parents paid for by the state. Including Hormonal Birth Control, more awesome laws.
You see where this is going? I see where this had good intentions to solve problems, but you are creating more problems. And I just don't think that what the government should be for.

Currently in public school, there are laws that prohibit educators from notifying parents if your kid changes their name or pronouns. ----- yeah this is something that I'm unsure about. To "turn kids in" could hurt them if their parents are those kinds, but also maybe it could cause undue influence to "try it out" tho I'm not really sure, just a personal thought. Ultimately I think it's on the parents to be on top of their childs health though and should know about that kinda stuff going on before school would ever be aware.
All of the High schools in the town that I live have a healthcare clinic inside of the high school, they sign all these kids up for Medical-Cal and now they have free healthcare down the hall from Algebra. and these kids can get any medical care without the knowledge or permission of their parents paid for by the state. Including Hormonal Birth Control, more awesome laws. ----- idk about a school but this doesn't sound bad to me? What is any medical care, ANY ANY? I don't see contraceptives being provided to a teenager that wants them as a bad thing. And kids are a wide range and we know how much they differ year to year.
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If the government gives my kid prescription drugs without my knowledge or approval, I'll be the first one to support the civil war.

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Posted by Astrobyn
I’m really struggling with the how our society combines Transgender issues and polices with Gay issues and polices. So, I would like to talk my thoughts out with anyone willing to discuss this with me respectfully.
I could never really validate the transgender issue, because gender has little value to me. I see gender as a mechanism in the systems of life to keep it advancing.
What we consider male vs female in humanity, mostly has to do with cultural constructs. I will agree most of the time it is just an exaggeration of biology. Women are built with bigger hips, so we walk with a sway naturally, our faces flush during arousal so we put makeup on to mimic those experiences. Which I think really comes down to a matting competition in some ways.
I do believe that masculine and femineity is a spectrum. Some of it is natural based on or biology and some of it is our experience and conditioning. But different cultures have valued different feminine and masculine traits, which become the cultural norm for them.
But for someone to say, I feel like the opposite gender makes no sense to me. I do not “feel” like a woman, I have the body of a woman, I have the cultural experience and conditioning of a woman. But that is all superficial and has little do with how I feel as a human being.
But that’s all gender is to me, the body (genitalia/hormones) and experience/conditioning. So, if a person does not have the body or conditioning of gender, how do they feel that they are that gender?
I agree that we all take on an identity, we create and nurture an ego which is vital to participate in the shared experience in this world. And fuck it if I care what identity you want to take on, and what experiences you want to have while you are on this earth. But I don’t like how some parts of our culture are promoting or encouraging this, because I think this is affecting some of the most vulnerable people.
I do not mean this as an insult, but when I look at the individual Trans experience, it seems to always be a response to trauma, or fetishization.
I see men and women who don’t always fit, the gender roles of the culture, have a lot of negative experiences, and that trauma can result in the rejection of what people see as their deficiency in that gender defined by the culture.
And honestly when I see Transgender women oversexualizing themselves 24/7, I do see it as a fetishization of women, and find it insulting. But I see this more as sexuality vs identity. If that makes sense?
Anyways these are my thoughts when it comes to gender and western culture, I would love a discussion to understand different POV further.

I have nothing to say other than this whole thing 'feels' evil to me and I just don't understand.
(I can't actually believe I'm allowed to see men beat a woman face in on tv and people cheer.)
There are some questionable things that are off about how society (we) deal in 'genders' but in nature, the male has the sperm, the female has the egg. That's it.
When people 'feel' like another sex or are confused with their identity growing up, this stage in development is normal. However this stage in development is being used now to manipulate (both the child and parents) to 'disconnect all' from all natural self including the heart.
So guess what, now people are not making wise decisions and quick to anger because the respect and value to self is now is gone.
What happens when there is no value in what one sees in the mirror? Damage.

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Posted by Astrobyn
@Solo
Ok so lets talk about policy, I live in California at least for the next 4 months.
Currently in public school, there are laws that prohibit educators from notifying parents if your kid changes their name or pronouns.
All of the High schools in the town that I live have a healthcare clinic inside of the high school, they sign all these kids up for Medical-Cal and now they have free healthcare down the hall from Algebra. and these kids can get any medical care without the knowledge or permission of their parents paid for by the state. Including Hormonal Birth Control, more awesome laws.
You see where this is going? I see where this had good intentions to solve problems, but you are creating more problems. And I just don't think that what the government should be for.

Currently in public school, there are laws that prohibit educators from notifying parents if your kid changes their name or pronouns. ----- yeah this is something that I'm unsure about. To "turn kids in" could hurt them if their parents are those kinds, but also maybe it could cause undue influence to "try it out" tho I'm not really sure, just a personal thought. Ultimately I think it's on the parents to be on top of their childs health though and should know about that kinda stuff going on before school would ever be aware.
All of the High schools in the town that I live have a healthcare clinic inside of the high school, they sign all these kids up for Medical-Cal and now they have free healthcare down the hall from Algebra. and these kids can get any medical care without the knowledge or permission of their parents paid for by the state. Including Hormonal Birth Control, more awesome laws. ----- idk about a school but this doesn't sound bad to me? What is any medical care, ANY ANY? I don't see contraceptives being provided to a teenager that wants them as a bad thing. And kids are a wide range and we know how much they differ year to year.
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If the government gives my kid prescription drugs without my knowledge or approval, I'll be the first one to support the civil war.
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Can you cite me this? The only thing that I've found is on College Campuses.
But also, I'll just add in that if it was public schools, you say you'd start a civil war over that - lets keep it in the context of contraception since that's where it seems to be - So you'd rather your kid get pregnant or knock someone up? You can say "my kid won't do that" but we know kids are kids. You'd rather your kid have unsafe sex than safe? Kids have sex at school and shit, you're not gonna be around all the time.

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Posted by Astrobyn
@Solo
Ok so lets talk about policy, I live in California at least for the next 4 months.
Currently in public school, there are laws that prohibit educators from notifying parents if your kid changes their name or pronouns.
All of the High schools in the town that I live have a healthcare clinic inside of the high school, they sign all these kids up for Medical-Cal and now they have free healthcare down the hall from Algebra. and these kids can get any medical care without the knowledge or permission of their parents paid for by the state. Including Hormonal Birth Control, more awesome laws.
You see where this is going? I see where this had good intentions to solve problems, but you are creating more problems. And I just don't think that what the government should be for.

Currently in public school, there are laws that prohibit educators from notifying parents if your kid changes their name or pronouns. ----- yeah this is something that I'm unsure about. To "turn kids in" could hurt them if their parents are those kinds, but also maybe it could cause undue influence to "try it out" tho I'm not really sure, just a personal thought. Ultimately I think it's on the parents to be on top of their childs health though and should know about that kinda stuff going on before school would ever be aware.
All of the High schools in the town that I live have a healthcare clinic inside of the high school, they sign all these kids up for Medical-Cal and now they have free healthcare down the hall from Algebra. and these kids can get any medical care without the knowledge or permission of their parents paid for by the state. Including Hormonal Birth Control, more awesome laws. ----- idk about a school but this doesn't sound bad to me? What is any medical care, ANY ANY? I don't see contraceptives being provided to a teenager that wants them as a bad thing. And kids are a wide range and we know how much they differ year to year.
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If the government gives my kid prescription drugs without my knowledge or approval, I'll be the first one to support the civil war.
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Can you cite me this? The only thing that I've found is on College Campuses.
But also, I'll just add in that if it was public schools, you say you'd start a civil war over that - lets keep it in the context of contraception since that's where it seems to be - So you'd rather your kid get pregnant or knock someone up? You can say "my kid won't do that" but we know kids are kids. You'd rather your kid have unsafe sex than safe? Kids have sex at school and shit, you're not gonna be around all the time.
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Well, with the prevalence of super resistant STDs floating around and some very interesting increases of HIV 1/2, the folks protesting having open access to clinics/resources (in schools or otherwise) are going to be very upset and SOL when their child's reproductive organs rot away.
As a former high school teacher - I saw and heard some very interesting things going on when the students didn't think I was paying attention. Kids are NOT angels anymore, and if you think yours are: you're in for a shock. There's a reason schools have metal detectors and video cameras EVERYWHERE except the restrooms - and even that could change soon, and probably should.

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@Solo
Ok so lets talk about policy, I live in California at least for the next 4 months.
Currently in public school, there are laws that prohibit educators from notifying parents if your kid changes their name or pronouns.
All of the High schools in the town that I live have a healthcare clinic inside of the high school, they sign all these kids up for Medical-Cal and now they have free healthcare down the hall from Algebra. and these kids can get any medical care without the knowledge or permission of their parents paid for by the state. Including Hormonal Birth Control, more awesome laws.
You see where this is going? I see where this had good intentions to solve problems, but you are creating more problems. And I just don't think that what the government should be for.

Currently in public school, there are laws that prohibit educators from notifying parents if your kid changes their name or pronouns. ----- yeah this is something that I'm unsure about. To "turn kids in" could hurt them if their parents are those kinds, but also maybe it could cause undue influence to "try it out" tho I'm not really sure, just a personal thought. Ultimately I think it's on the parents to be on top of their childs health though and should know about that kinda stuff going on before school would ever be aware.
All of the High schools in the town that I live have a healthcare clinic inside of the high school, they sign all these kids up for Medical-Cal and now they have free healthcare down the hall from Algebra. and these kids can get any medical care without the knowledge or permission of their parents paid for by the state. Including Hormonal Birth Control, more awesome laws. ----- idk about a school but this doesn't sound bad to me? What is any medical care, ANY ANY? I don't see contraceptives being provided to a teenager that wants them as a bad thing. And kids are a wide range and we know how much they differ year to year.
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If the government gives my kid prescription drugs without my knowledge or approval, I'll be the first one to support the civil war.
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Can you cite me this? The only thing that I've found is on College Campuses.
But also, I'll just add in that if it was public schools, you say you'd start a civil war over that - lets keep it in the context of contraception since that's where it seems to be - So you'd rather your kid get pregnant or knock someone up? You can say "my kid won't do that" but we know kids are kids. You'd rather your kid have unsafe sex than safe? Kids have sex at school and shit, you're not gonna be around all the time.
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Well, with the prevalence of super resistant STDs floating around and some very interesting increases of HIV 1/2, the folks protesting having open access to clinics/resources (in schools or otherwise) are going to be very upset and SOL when their child's reproductive organs rot away.
As a former high school teacher - I saw and heard some very interesting things going on when the students didn't think I was paying attention. Kids are NOT angels anymore, and if you think yours are: you're in for a shock. There's a reason schools have metal detectors and video cameras EVERYWHERE except the restrooms - and even that could change soon, and probably should.
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Yeeeeerrrrp or they'll blame their kids for sinning and tell them that it's a consequence from God. People were fingering/sucking/fucking under the stairwells at my high school. A lotta kids I knew had already had sex in MIDDLE SCHOOL. And I went to a good school! Like there were no daily fights or anything like that. Stuff popped off but it generally wasn't often. People were more likely to come in drunk and off drugs and fuck than fight.

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@Solo
Ok so lets talk about policy, I live in California at least for the next 4 months.
Currently in public school, there are laws that prohibit educators from notifying parents if your kid changes their name or pronouns.
All of the High schools in the town that I live have a healthcare clinic inside of the high school, they sign all these kids up for Medical-Cal and now they have free healthcare down the hall from Algebra. and these kids can get any medical care without the knowledge or permission of their parents paid for by the state. Including Hormonal Birth Control, more awesome laws.
You see where this is going? I see where this had good intentions to solve problems, but you are creating more problems. And I just don't think that what the government should be for.

Currently in public school, there are laws that prohibit educators from notifying parents if your kid changes their name or pronouns. ----- yeah this is something that I'm unsure about. To "turn kids in" could hurt them if their parents are those kinds, but also maybe it could cause undue influence to "try it out" tho I'm not really sure, just a personal thought. Ultimately I think it's on the parents to be on top of their childs health though and should know about that kinda stuff going on before school would ever be aware.
All of the High schools in the town that I live have a healthcare clinic inside of the high school, they sign all these kids up for Medical-Cal and now they have free healthcare down the hall from Algebra. and these kids can get any medical care without the knowledge or permission of their parents paid for by the state. Including Hormonal Birth Control, more awesome laws. ----- idk about a school but this doesn't sound bad to me? What is any medical care, ANY ANY? I don't see contraceptives being provided to a teenager that wants them as a bad thing. And kids are a wide range and we know how much they differ year to year.
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If the government gives my kid prescription drugs without my knowledge or approval, I'll be the first one to support the civil war.
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Can you cite me this? The only thing that I've found is on College Campuses.
But also, I'll just add in that if it was public schools, you say you'd start a civil war over that - lets keep it in the context of contraception since that's where it seems to be - So you'd rather your kid get pregnant or knock someone up? You can say "my kid won't do that" but we know kids are kids. You'd rather your kid have unsafe sex than safe? Kids have sex at school and shit, you're not gonna be around all the time.

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@Solo
Ok so lets talk about policy, I live in California at least for the next 4 months.
Currently in public school, there are laws that prohibit educators from notifying parents if your kid changes their name or pronouns.
All of the High schools in the town that I live have a healthcare clinic inside of the high school, they sign all these kids up for Medical-Cal and now they have free healthcare down the hall from Algebra. and these kids can get any medical care without the knowledge or permission of their parents paid for by the state. Including Hormonal Birth Control, more awesome laws.
You see where this is going? I see where this had good intentions to solve problems, but you are creating more problems. And I just don't think that what the government should be for.

Currently in public school, there are laws that prohibit educators from notifying parents if your kid changes their name or pronouns. ----- yeah this is something that I'm unsure about. To "turn kids in" could hurt them if their parents are those kinds, but also maybe it could cause undue influence to "try it out" tho I'm not really sure, just a personal thought. Ultimately I think it's on the parents to be on top of their childs health though and should know about that kinda stuff going on before school would ever be aware.
All of the High schools in the town that I live have a healthcare clinic inside of the high school, they sign all these kids up for Medical-Cal and now they have free healthcare down the hall from Algebra. and these kids can get any medical care without the knowledge or permission of their parents paid for by the state. Including Hormonal Birth Control, more awesome laws. ----- idk about a school but this doesn't sound bad to me? What is any medical care, ANY ANY? I don't see contraceptives being provided to a teenager that wants them as a bad thing. And kids are a wide range and we know how much they differ year to year.
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If the government gives my kid prescription drugs without my knowledge or approval, I'll be the first one to support the civil war.
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Can you cite me this? The only thing that I've found is on College Campuses.
But also, I'll just add in that if it was public schools, you say you'd start a civil war over that - lets keep it in the context of contraception since that's where it seems to be - So you'd rather your kid get pregnant or knock someone up? You can say "my kid won't do that" but we know kids are kids. You'd rather your kid have unsafe sex than safe? Kids have sex at school and shit, you're not gonna be around all the time.
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Here is a list of all the schools with clinics
https://www.schoolhealthcenters.org/school-based-health/sbhcs-by-county/
They call them wellness centers but these are full on clinics run by companies that have many other locations open to the public. The ones in our city are listed as Non-Profit organization, I don't understand that.. nor do i believe that there isn't a financial motivation to these entities. Most of the care given is subsidized by the state, as I understand.
I'm not exactly sure how it works, my kid is 7, every year when I register her for public school, there is a question to opt into free health insurance, and its worded like "if your child need medical care, do we have your permission to use this free health insurance to get your child the help that they need."
So I think once you check that box and sign the registration form, they are good to go to clinic at no cost and if they are over the age of 12 they can do so without your consent.
and I just pulled this off of google regarding CA laws...
Minor consent laws
Minors aged 12 and over can consent to some services without parent or guardian involvement, including sexual and reproductive health, mental health, and drug and alcohol treatment.

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@Solo
Ok so lets talk about policy, I live in California at least for the next 4 months.
Currently in public school, there are laws that prohibit educators from notifying parents if your kid changes their name or pronouns.
All of the High schools in the town that I live have a healthcare clinic inside of the high school, they sign all these kids up for Medical-Cal and now they have free healthcare down the hall from Algebra. and these kids can get any medical care without the knowledge or permission of their parents paid for by the state. Including Hormonal Birth Control, more awesome laws.
You see where this is going? I see where this had good intentions to solve problems, but you are creating more problems. And I just don't think that what the government should be for.

Currently in public school, there are laws that prohibit educators from notifying parents if your kid changes their name or pronouns. ----- yeah this is something that I'm unsure about. To "turn kids in" could hurt them if their parents are those kinds, but also maybe it could cause undue influence to "try it out" tho I'm not really sure, just a personal thought. Ultimately I think it's on the parents to be on top of their childs health though and should know about that kinda stuff going on before school would ever be aware.
All of the High schools in the town that I live have a healthcare clinic inside of the high school, they sign all these kids up for Medical-Cal and now they have free healthcare down the hall from Algebra. and these kids can get any medical care without the knowledge or permission of their parents paid for by the state. Including Hormonal Birth Control, more awesome laws. ----- idk about a school but this doesn't sound bad to me? What is any medical care, ANY ANY? I don't see contraceptives being provided to a teenager that wants them as a bad thing. And kids are a wide range and we know how much they differ year to year.
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If the government gives my kid prescription drugs without my knowledge or approval, I'll be the first one to support the civil war.
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Can you cite me this? The only thing that I've found is on College Campuses.
But also, I'll just add in that if it was public schools, you say you'd start a civil war over that - lets keep it in the context of contraception since that's where it seems to be - So you'd rather your kid get pregnant or knock someone up? You can say "my kid won't do that" but we know kids are kids. You'd rather your kid have unsafe sex than safe? Kids have sex at school and shit, you're not gonna be around all the time.
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Well, with the prevalence of super resistant STDs floating around and some very interesting increases of HIV 1/2, the folks protesting having open access to clinics/resources (in schools or otherwise) are going to be very upset and SOL when their child's reproductive organs rot away.
As a former high school teacher - I saw and heard some very interesting things going on when the students didn't think I was paying attention. Kids are NOT angels anymore, and if you think yours are: you're in for a shock. There's a reason schools have metal detectors and video cameras EVERYWHERE except the restrooms - and even that could change soon, and probably should.

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@Solo
Ok so lets talk about policy, I live in California at least for the next 4 months.
Currently in public school, there are laws that prohibit educators from notifying parents if your kid changes their name or pronouns.
All of the High schools in the town that I live have a healthcare clinic inside of the high school, they sign all these kids up for Medical-Cal and now they have free healthcare down the hall from Algebra. and these kids can get any medical care without the knowledge or permission of their parents paid for by the state. Including Hormonal Birth Control, more awesome laws.
You see where this is going? I see where this had good intentions to solve problems, but you are creating more problems. And I just don't think that what the government should be for.

Currently in public school, there are laws that prohibit educators from notifying parents if your kid changes their name or pronouns. ----- yeah this is something that I'm unsure about. To "turn kids in" could hurt them if their parents are those kinds, but also maybe it could cause undue influence to "try it out" tho I'm not really sure, just a personal thought. Ultimately I think it's on the parents to be on top of their childs health though and should know about that kinda stuff going on before school would ever be aware.
All of the High schools in the town that I live have a healthcare clinic inside of the high school, they sign all these kids up for Medical-Cal and now they have free healthcare down the hall from Algebra. and these kids can get any medical care without the knowledge or permission of their parents paid for by the state. Including Hormonal Birth Control, more awesome laws. ----- idk about a school but this doesn't sound bad to me? What is any medical care, ANY ANY? I don't see contraceptives being provided to a teenager that wants them as a bad thing. And kids are a wide range and we know how much they differ year to year.
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If the government gives my kid prescription drugs without my knowledge or approval, I'll be the first one to support the civil war.
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Can you cite me this? The only thing that I've found is on College Campuses.
But also, I'll just add in that if it was public schools, you say you'd start a civil war over that - lets keep it in the context of contraception since that's where it seems to be - So you'd rather your kid get pregnant or knock someone up? You can say "my kid won't do that" but we know kids are kids. You'd rather your kid have unsafe sex than safe? Kids have sex at school and shit, you're not gonna be around all the time.
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Well, with the prevalence of super resistant STDs floating around and some very interesting increases of HIV 1/2, the folks protesting having open access to clinics/resources (in schools or otherwise) are going to be very upset and SOL when their child's reproductive organs rot away.
As a former high school teacher - I saw and heard some very interesting things going on when the students didn't think I was paying attention. Kids are NOT angels anymore, and if you think yours are: you're in for a shock. There's a reason schools have metal detectors and video cameras EVERYWHERE except the restrooms - and even that could change soon, and probably should.
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This doesn't justify removing the parental rights.

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Posted by 37OHSSV
I like the male criminals who are saying theyre women and then impregnating the women's prisons.. to me, that's the peak of quintessential gullibleness.

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I like the male criminals who are saying theyre women and then impregnating the women's prisons.. to me, that's the peak of quintessential gullibleness.

And men who have think It’s okay to use women’s bathrooms and changing rooms because they “identify” as a woman
The world has gone completely mad.
As for the way children are being brainwashed, that is totally outrageous and should be stopped. We all know children are susceptible and open to suggestions by adults …

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This you tube video came out today, (full disclosure I think undercurrents skews right of the political spectrum). But I love how this doctor is describing the effects of hormones as human goes threw the human maturation process.
My opinion that this should be done on children or anyone under the age of 25 has been clear to me. But I think this lay's it all out. and its totally, Sciences
and @Solo a report came out last week, and it is a lot more kids then we all thought.

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This you tube video came out today, (full disclosure I think undercurrents skews right of the political spectrum). But I love how this doctor is describing the effects of hormones as human goes threw the human maturation process.
My opinion that this should be done on children or anyone under the age of 25 has been clear to me. But I think this lay's it all out. and its totally, Sciences
and @Solo a report came out last week, and it is a lot more kids then we all thought.

I'll have to look at this when I come back later, but relevant to Grossman - What do you think about conversion therapy for gay people? What do you think about no sexual education in schools across the country?

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This you tube video came out today, (full disclosure I think undercurrents skews right of the political spectrum). But I love how this doctor is describing the effects of hormones as human goes threw the human maturation process.
My opinion that this should be done on children or anyone under the age of 25 has been clear to me. But I think this lay's it all out. and its totally, Sciences
and @Solo a report came out last week, and it is a lot more kids then we all thought.

I'll have to look at this when I come back later, but relevant to Grossman - What do you think about conversion therapy for gay people? What do you think about no sexual education in schools across the country?
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idk who/what Grossman is. I think conversion therapy for gay people is stupid and very harmful.
Personally I don't have a problem educating my child about sex, she's 7 and probably has more knowledge about the subject then most kids in high school.
Honestly sex is so weird in our culture, we still have a lot of puritan values, but also hardcore porn is also apart of mainstream consciousness.
I don't have a good answer on how to address it through education.

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Posted by Astrobyn
This you tube video came out today, (full disclosure I think undercurrents skews right of the political spectrum). But I love how this doctor is describing the effects of hormones as human goes threw the human maturation process.
My opinion that this should be done on children or anyone under the age of 25 has been clear to me. But I think this lay's it all out. and its totally, Sciences
and @Solo a report came out last week, and it is a lot more kids then we all thought.

I'll have to look at this when I come back later, but relevant to Grossman - What do you think about conversion therapy for gay people? What do you think about no sexual education in schools across the country?
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idk who/what Grossman is. I think conversion therapy for gay people is stupid and very harmful.
Personally I don't have a problem educating my child about sex, she's 7 and probably has more knowledge about the subject then most kids in high school.
Honestly sex is so weird in our culture, we still have a lot of puritan values, but also hardcore porn is also apart of mainstream consciousness.
I don't have a good answer on how to address it through education.
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I agree with your statement about sex being viewed oddly in our culture lol. It really is.
With regard to Grossman, that's who's claiming the science though, right? And those are her views, allegedly. I say that because y'know, I'm going off of wiki stuff about what she's participated in. Her website is.. interesting. She's also misrepresenting something like puberty blockers having a chance to affect fertility by sensationalizing it saying children are being sterilized. The Cass report does question the efficacy of puberty blockers and hormone therapy early on but does generally say that better training should be adopted, better evidence should be brought forward, working off of high-quality evidence should be encouraged, access to care should be expanded, trans people should participate in studies for long term results and potentially different routes of care, and that everyone should remember to keep the standard of healthcare the same for everyone while still offering personalized approaches and more than that.
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/in-what-is-a-woman-matt-walsh-asks-a-question/
here's a thing that references a previous appearance from her.
https://cass.independent-review.uk/home/publications/final-report/
here's the review where you can read an overview on page or read the entire pdf if you'd like - this is guided toward the NHS

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This you tube video came out today, (full disclosure I think undercurrents skews right of the political spectrum). But I love how this doctor is describing the effects of hormones as human goes threw the human maturation process.
My opinion that this should be done on children or anyone under the age of 25 has been clear to me. But I think this lay's it all out. and its totally, Sciences
and @Solo a report came out last week, and it is a lot more kids then we all thought.

I'll have to look at this when I come back later, but relevant to Grossman - What do you think about conversion therapy for gay people? What do you think about no sexual education in schools across the country?
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idk who/what Grossman is. I think conversion therapy for gay people is stupid and very harmful.
Personally I don't have a problem educating my child about sex, she's 7 and probably has more knowledge about the subject then most kids in high school.
Honestly sex is so weird in our culture, we still have a lot of puritan values, but also hardcore porn is also apart of mainstream consciousness.
I don't have a good answer on how to address it through education.
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I agree with your statement about sex being viewed oddly in our culture lol. It really is.
With regard to Grossman, that's who's claiming the science though, right? And those are her views, allegedly. I say that because y'know, I'm going off of wiki stuff about what she's participated in. Her website is.. interesting. She's also misrepresenting something like puberty blockers having a chance to affect fertility by sensationalizing it saying children are being sterilized. The Cass report does question the efficacy of puberty blockers and hormone therapy early on but does generally say that better training should be adopted, better evidence should be brought forward, working off of high-quality evidence should be encouraged, access to care should be expanded, trans people should participate in studies for long term results and potentially different routes of care, and that everyone should remember to keep the standard of healthcare the same for everyone while still offering personalized approaches and more than that.
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/in-what-is-a-woman-matt-walsh-asks-a-question/
here's a thing that references a previous appearance from her.
https://cass.independent-review.uk/home/publications/final-report/
here's the review where you can read an overview on page or read the entire pdf if you'd like - this is guided toward the NHS
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This is not hard to understand or for me to agree, hormone blockers are going to retard the puberty process of your body and also your brain. When hormones are basically the magic ingredient that unlocks everything in your body.
We are literally sterilizing ourselves from drinking water out of plastic bottles, because these micro plastic mimic hormones in our body.
Our medical industry is just the next evolution of quackery and snake oil. Our knowledge at this point is so limited we don't even know what the appendix is for. We don't have a full grasp on how our bodies work as it relates to our medical industry.

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i raised this exact issue here a year ago and a few liberals came for my neck 😅
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/miscellaneous/something-unsettling-about-pushing-lgbtq-on-kids--15592223/
at this point, i don’t even openly talk about the trans issue. i don’t wanna get bitched at by wokies 😅
i’m just quietly hoping more and more people wake up and see how ridiculous and harmful things have gotten. if enough people become suspicious and say no, this madness will cease to continue.
things such as….
doctors/elites/big pharma trying to get rich off of gender affirming care/procedures on minors, dudes dressed up as women throwing tantrums at restaurants for being called “sir”, mediocre dudes in sports who used to rank 462nd in men’s division now ranking 1st in women’s division, woke teachers irresponsibly telling kids they can be whatever gender they wanna be, people who already had pedophile tendencies now having an excuse to openly assault without much repercussions, the whole they/them nonsense, people identifying as pretty much anything under the sun including animals/objects and trying to drag mentally stable people into it by throwing tantrums when people refuse to participate in their delusions etc
level headed folks of the LGBT community don’t wanna be associated with or lumped together with the above nonsense. 😅 and if we dare to even say anything about it, these wokies will immediately go into victim mode.😅
they make even regular gay dudes like me look like homophobic straight men from the deep south or something 😂

Posted by serenidad
i raised this exact issue here a year ago and a few liberals came for my neck 😅
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/miscellaneous/something-unsettling-about-pushing-lgbtq-on-kids--15592223/
at this point, i don’t even openly talk about the trans issue. i don’t wanna get bitched at by wokies 😅
i’m just quietly hoping more and more people wake up and see how ridiculous and harmful things have gotten. if enough people become suspicious and say no, this madness will cease to continue.
things such as….
doctors/elites/big pharma trying to get rich off of gender affirming care/procedures on minors, dudes dressed up as women throwing tantrums at restaurants for being called “sir”, mediocre dudes in sports who used to rank 462nd in men’s division now ranking 1st in women’s division, woke teachers irresponsibly telling kids they can be whatever gender they wanna be, people who already had pedophile tendencies now having an excuse to openly assault without much repercussions, the whole they/them nonsense, people identifying as pretty much anything under the sun including animals/objects and trying to drag mentally stable people into it by throwing tantrums when people refuse to participate in their delusions etc
level headed folks of the LGBT community don’t wanna be associated with or lumped together with the above nonsense. 😅 and if we dare to even say anything about it, these wokies will immediately go into victim mode.😅
they make even regular gay dudes like me look like homophobic straight men from the deep south or something 😂

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I’m really struggling with the how our society combines Transgender issues and polices with Gay issues and polices. So, I would like to talk my thoughts out with anyone willing to discuss this with me respectfully.
I could never really validate the transgender issue, because gender has little value to me. I see gender as a mechanism in the systems of life to keep it advancing.
What we consider male vs female in humanity, mostly has to do with cultural constructs. I will agree most of the time it is just an exaggeration of biology. Women are built with bigger hips, so we walk with a sway naturally, our faces flush during arousal so we put makeup on to mimic those experiences. Which I think really comes down to a matting competition in some ways.
I do believe that masculine and femineity is a spectrum. Some of it is natural based on or biology and some of it is our experience and conditioning. But different cultures have valued different feminine and masculine traits, which become the cultural norm for them.
But for someone to say, I feel like the opposite gender makes no sense to me. I do not “feel” like a woman, I have the body of a woman, I have the cultural experience and conditioning of a woman. But that is all superficial and has little do with how I feel as a human being.
But that’s all gender is to me, the body (genitalia/hormones) and experience/conditioning. So, if a person does not have the body or conditioning of gender, how do they feel that they are that gender?
I agree that we all take on an identity, we create and nurture an ego which is vital to participate in the shared experience in this world. And fuck it if I care what identity you want to take on, and what experiences you want to have while you are on this earth. But I don’t like how some parts of our culture are promoting or encouraging this, because I think this is affecting some of the most vulnerable people.
I do not mean this as an insult, but when I look at the individual Trans experience, it seems to always be a response to trauma, or fetishization.
I see men and women who don’t always fit, the gender roles of the culture, have a lot of negative experiences, and that trauma can result in the rejection of what people see as their deficiency in that gender defined by the culture.
And honestly when I see Transgender women oversexualizing themselves 24/7, I do see it as a fetishization of women, and find it insulting. But I see this more as sexuality vs identity. If that makes sense?
Anyways these are my thoughts when it comes to gender and western culture, I would love a discussion to understand different POV further.

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Posted by serenidad
i raised this exact issue here a year ago and a few liberals came for my neck 😅
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/miscellaneous/something-unsettling-about-pushing-lgbtq-on-kids--15592223/
at this point, i don’t even openly talk about the trans issue. i don’t wanna get bitched at by wokies 😅
i’m just quietly hoping more and more people wake up and see how ridiculous and harmful things have gotten. if enough people become suspicious and say no, this madness will cease to continue.
things such as….
doctors/elites/big pharma trying to get rich off of gender affirming care/procedures on minors, dudes dressed up as women throwing tantrums at restaurants for being called “sir”, mediocre dudes in sports who used to rank 462nd in men’s division now ranking 1st in women’s division, woke teachers irresponsibly telling kids they can be whatever gender they wanna be, people who already had pedophile tendencies now having an excuse to openly assault without much repercussions, the whole they/them nonsense, people identifying as pretty much anything under the sun including animals/objects and trying to drag mentally stable people into it by throwing tantrums when people refuse to participate in their delusions etc
level headed folks of the LGBT community don’t wanna be associated with or lumped together with the above nonsense. 😅 and if we dare to even say anything about it, these wokies will immediately go into victim mode.😅
they make even regular gay dudes like me look like homophobic straight men from the deep south or something 😂

people who already had pedophile tendencies now having an excuse to openly assault without much repercussions ----- this is the kinda fear mongering they do over GAY PEOPLE LIKE YOU lol. They think YOURE a groomer.

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Posted by serenidad
i raised this exact issue here a year ago and a few liberals came for my neck 😅
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/miscellaneous/something-unsettling-about-pushing-lgbtq-on-kids--15592223/
at this point, i don’t even openly talk about the trans issue. i don’t wanna get bitched at by wokies 😅
i’m just quietly hoping more and more people wake up and see how ridiculous and harmful things have gotten. if enough people become suspicious and say no, this madness will cease to continue.
things such as….
doctors/elites/big pharma trying to get rich off of gender affirming care/procedures on minors, dudes dressed up as women throwing tantrums at restaurants for being called “sir”, mediocre dudes in sports who used to rank 462nd in men’s division now ranking 1st in women’s division, woke teachers irresponsibly telling kids they can be whatever gender they wanna be, people who already had pedophile tendencies now having an excuse to openly assault without much repercussions, the whole they/them nonsense, people identifying as pretty much anything under the sun including animals/objects and trying to drag mentally stable people into it by throwing tantrums when people refuse to participate in their delusions etc
level headed folks of the LGBT community don’t wanna be associated with or lumped together with the above nonsense. 😅 and if we dare to even say anything about it, these wokies will immediately go into victim mode.😅
they make even regular gay dudes like me look like homophobic straight men from the deep south or something 😂

people who already had pedophile tendencies now having an excuse to openly assault without much repercussions ----- this is the kinda fear mongering they do over GAY PEOPLE LIKE YOU lol. They think YOURE a groomer.
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whoever “they” are, i haven’t met them. *shrug* intelligent people can easily tell the difference between who is really a danger to society and who isn’t. for example, conservatives love level headed trans people like blaire white because she stands for common sense. people are only afraid of (or more like disturbed) by the irrational gay/trans/non binary people who are like loose cannons or who act in questionable ways.

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Posted by serenidad
i raised this exact issue here a year ago and a few liberals came for my neck 😅
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/miscellaneous/something-unsettling-about-pushing-lgbtq-on-kids--15592223/
at this point, i don’t even openly talk about the trans issue. i don’t wanna get bitched at by wokies 😅
i’m just quietly hoping more and more people wake up and see how ridiculous and harmful things have gotten. if enough people become suspicious and say no, this madness will cease to continue.
things such as….
doctors/elites/big pharma trying to get rich off of gender affirming care/procedures on minors, dudes dressed up as women throwing tantrums at restaurants for being called “sir”, mediocre dudes in sports who used to rank 462nd in men’s division now ranking 1st in women’s division, woke teachers irresponsibly telling kids they can be whatever gender they wanna be, people who already had pedophile tendencies now having an excuse to openly assault without much repercussions, the whole they/them nonsense, people identifying as pretty much anything under the sun including animals/objects and trying to drag mentally stable people into it by throwing tantrums when people refuse to participate in their delusions etc
level headed folks of the LGBT community don’t wanna be associated with or lumped together with the above nonsense. 😅 and if we dare to even say anything about it, these wokies will immediately go into victim mode.😅
they make even regular gay dudes like me look like homophobic straight men from the deep south or something 😂

people who already had pedophile tendencies now having an excuse to openly assault without much repercussions ----- this is the kinda fear mongering they do over GAY PEOPLE LIKE YOU lol. They think YOURE a groomer.
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whoever “they” are, i haven’t met them. *shrug* intelligent people can easily tell the difference between who is really a danger to society and who isn’t. for example, conservatives love level headed trans people like blaire white because she stands for common sense. people are only afraid of (or more like disturbed) by the irrational gay/trans/non binary people who are like loose cannons or who act in questionable ways.
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From 2022
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/11/1096623939/accusations-grooming-political-attack-homophobic-origins
"intelligent people can easily tell the difference between who is really a danger to society and who isn’t" ----- even if we don't widen that statement and keep it to strictly knowing who would hurt a child, it's false.
https://www.d2l.org/education/5-steps/step-1/
30% of children are abused by family members.
As many as 60% are abused by people the family trusts.
We do not know every person that will hurt someone. "I never would have thought they'd be this type of person" is a common sentiment.

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i raised this exact issue here a year ago and a few liberals came for my neck 😅
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/miscellaneous/something-unsettling-about-pushing-lgbtq-on-kids--15592223/
at this point, i don’t even openly talk about the trans issue. i don’t wanna get bitched at by wokies 😅
i’m just quietly hoping more and more people wake up and see how ridiculous and harmful things have gotten. if enough people become suspicious and say no, this madness will cease to continue.
things such as….
doctors/elites/big pharma trying to get rich off of gender affirming care/procedures on minors, dudes dressed up as women throwing tantrums at restaurants for being called “sir”, mediocre dudes in sports who used to rank 462nd in men’s division now ranking 1st in women’s division, woke teachers irresponsibly telling kids they can be whatever gender they wanna be, people who already had pedophile tendencies now having an excuse to openly assault without much repercussions, the whole they/them nonsense, people identifying as pretty much anything under the sun including animals/objects and trying to drag mentally stable people into it by throwing tantrums when people refuse to participate in their delusions etc
level headed folks of the LGBT community don’t wanna be associated with or lumped together with the above nonsense. 😅 and if we dare to even say anything about it, these wokies will immediately go into victim mode.😅
they make even regular gay dudes like me look like homophobic straight men from the deep south or something 😂

people who already had pedophile tendencies now having an excuse to openly assault without much repercussions ----- this is the kinda fear mongering they do over GAY PEOPLE LIKE YOU lol. They think YOURE a groomer.
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whoever “they” are, i haven’t met them. *shrug* intelligent people can easily tell the difference between who is really a danger to society and who isn’t. for example, conservatives love level headed trans people like blaire white because she stands for common sense. people are only afraid of (or more like disturbed) by the irrational gay/trans/non binary people who are like loose cannons or who act in questionable ways.
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From 2022
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/11/1096623939/accusations-grooming-political-attack-homophobic-origins
"intelligent people can easily tell the difference between who is really a danger to society and who isn’t" ----- even if we don't widen that statement and keep it to strictly knowing who would hurt a child, it's false.
https://www.d2l.org/education/5-steps/step-1/
30% of children are abused by family members.
As many as 60% are abused by people the family trusts.
We do not know every person that will hurt someone. "I never would have thought they'd be this type of person" is a common sentiment.
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from the article you posted:
*********On his Fox News program, Tucker Carlson claimed that California teachers are trying to "indoctrinate schoolchildren" about sexual and gender identity. "They're grooming 7-year-olds and talking to 7-year-olds about their sex lives," he said.
On her Fox News show, Laura Ingraham accused the Walt Disney Co. of "pushing a sexual agenda" on children. "This isn't programming. This is propaganda for grooming," she said.
And U.S. Senate candidate J.D. Vance of Ohio defended the term on Fox News, saying, "If you don't want to be called a groomer, don't try to sexualize 6-, 7-year-old children."*********

well, i’m not entirely sure but i’m guessing the teachers who were being accused of these things were caught talking to little kids about gender identity and sexuality and stuff? in that case, i’m sorry but i don’t really blame the parents for being upset. teachers should just teach the regular school curriculum and maybe basic morality and leave gender conversations to the parents. if a kid asks, the teacher can let the parent know first and let the parent decide what they wanna do/what they wanna tell their kids. then all of this might’ve been avoided? :/
like, when i see news like this, “parents livid over california school’s mandatory drag show” and many other news like this, i can sorta sympathize with the parents : https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/california-school-drag-show-causes-outrage-17832300.php

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i raised this exact issue here a year ago and a few liberals came for my neck 😅
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/miscellaneous/something-unsettling-about-pushing-lgbtq-on-kids--15592223/
at this point, i don’t even openly talk about the trans issue. i don’t wanna get bitched at by wokies 😅
i’m just quietly hoping more and more people wake up and see how ridiculous and harmful things have gotten. if enough people become suspicious and say no, this madness will cease to continue.
things such as….
doctors/elites/big pharma trying to get rich off of gender affirming care/procedures on minors, dudes dressed up as women throwing tantrums at restaurants for being called “sir”, mediocre dudes in sports who used to rank 462nd in men’s division now ranking 1st in women’s division, woke teachers irresponsibly telling kids they can be whatever gender they wanna be, people who already had pedophile tendencies now having an excuse to openly assault without much repercussions, the whole they/them nonsense, people identifying as pretty much anything under the sun including animals/objects and trying to drag mentally stable people into it by throwing tantrums when people refuse to participate in their delusions etc
level headed folks of the LGBT community don’t wanna be associated with or lumped together with the above nonsense. 😅 and if we dare to even say anything about it, these wokies will immediately go into victim mode.😅
they make even regular gay dudes like me look like homophobic straight men from the deep south or something 😂

people who already had pedophile tendencies now having an excuse to openly assault without much repercussions ----- this is the kinda fear mongering they do over GAY PEOPLE LIKE YOU lol. They think YOURE a groomer.
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whoever “they” are, i haven’t met them. *shrug* intelligent people can easily tell the difference between who is really a danger to society and who isn’t. for example, conservatives love level headed trans people like blaire white because she stands for common sense. people are only afraid of (or more like disturbed) by the irrational gay/trans/non binary people who are like loose cannons or who act in questionable ways.
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From 2022
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/11/1096623939/accusations-grooming-political-attack-homophobic-origins
"intelligent people can easily tell the difference between who is really a danger to society and who isn’t" ----- even if we don't widen that statement and keep it to strictly knowing who would hurt a child, it's false.
https://www.d2l.org/education/5-steps/step-1/
30% of children are abused by family members.
As many as 60% are abused by people the family trusts.
We do not know every person that will hurt someone. "I never would have thought they'd be this type of person" is a common sentiment.
click to expand

from the article you posted:
*********On his Fox News program, Tucker Carlson claimed that California teachers are trying to "indoctrinate schoolchildren" about sexual and gender identity. "They're grooming 7-year-olds and talking to 7-year-olds about their sex lives," he said.
On her Fox News show, Laura Ingraham accused the Walt Disney Co. of "pushing a sexual agenda" on children. "This isn't programming. This is propaganda for grooming," she said.
And U.S. Senate candidate J.D. Vance of Ohio defended the term on Fox News, saying, "If you don't want to be called a groomer, don't try to sexualize 6-, 7-year-old children."*********

well, i’m not entirely sure but i’m guessing the teachers who were being accused of these things were caught talking to little kids about gender identity and sexuality and stuff? in that case, i’m sorry but i don’t really blame the parents for being upset. teachers should just teach the regular school curriculum and maybe basic morality and leave gender conversations to the parents. if a kid asks, the teacher can let the parent know first and let the parent decide what they wanna do/what they wanna tell their kids. then all of this might’ve been avoided? :/
like, when i see news like this, “parents livid over california school’s mandatory drag show” and many other news like this, i can sorta sympathize with the parents : https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/california-school-drag-show-causes-outrage-17832300.php
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Exactly. It really is quite messed up. You just have to realize these people who think they are woke are living in an isolated bubble in a sea of people who are actually awake. I truly feel bad for the woke mind. They can only things with a one sided mind, and refuse to see how it effects everyone as a whole.

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Posted by Soul

Posted by serenidad

Posted by Solo

Posted by serenidad

Posted by Solo

Posted by serenidad
i raised this exact issue here a year ago and a few liberals came for my neck 😅
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/miscellaneous/something-unsettling-about-pushing-lgbtq-on-kids--15592223/
at this point, i don’t even openly talk about the trans issue. i don’t wanna get bitched at by wokies 😅
i’m just quietly hoping more and more people wake up and see how ridiculous and harmful things have gotten. if enough people become suspicious and say no, this madness will cease to continue.
things such as….
doctors/elites/big pharma trying to get rich off of gender affirming care/procedures on minors, dudes dressed up as women throwing tantrums at restaurants for being called “sir”, mediocre dudes in sports who used to rank 462nd in men’s division now ranking 1st in women’s division, woke teachers irresponsibly telling kids they can be whatever gender they wanna be, people who already had pedophile tendencies now having an excuse to openly assault without much repercussions, the whole they/them nonsense, people identifying as pretty much anything under the sun including animals/objects and trying to drag mentally stable people into it by throwing tantrums when people refuse to participate in their delusions etc
level headed folks of the LGBT community don’t wanna be associated with or lumped together with the above nonsense. 😅 and if we dare to even say anything about it, these wokies will immediately go into victim mode.😅
they make even regular gay dudes like me look like homophobic straight men from the deep south or something 😂

people who already had pedophile tendencies now having an excuse to openly assault without much repercussions ----- this is the kinda fear mongering they do over GAY PEOPLE LIKE YOU lol. They think YOURE a groomer.
click to expand

whoever “they” are, i haven’t met them. *shrug* intelligent people can easily tell the difference between who is really a danger to society and who isn’t. for example, conservatives love level headed trans people like blaire white because she stands for common sense. people are only afraid of (or more like disturbed) by the irrational gay/trans/non binary people who are like loose cannons or who act in questionable ways.
click to expand

From 2022
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/11/1096623939/accusations-grooming-political-attack-homophobic-origins
"intelligent people can easily tell the difference between who is really a danger to society and who isn’t" ----- even if we don't widen that statement and keep it to strictly knowing who would hurt a child, it's false.
https://www.d2l.org/education/5-steps/step-1/
30% of children are abused by family members.
As many as 60% are abused by people the family trusts.
We do not know every person that will hurt someone. "I never would have thought they'd be this type of person" is a common sentiment.
click to expand

from the article you posted:
*********On his Fox News program, Tucker Carlson claimed that California teachers are trying to "indoctrinate schoolchildren" about sexual and gender identity. "They're grooming 7-year-olds and talking to 7-year-olds about their sex lives," he said.
On her Fox News show, Laura Ingraham accused the Walt Disney Co. of "pushing a sexual agenda" on children. "This isn't programming. This is propaganda for grooming," she said.
And U.S. Senate candidate J.D. Vance of Ohio defended the term on Fox News, saying, "If you don't want to be called a groomer, don't try to sexualize 6-, 7-year-old children."*********

well, i’m not entirely sure but i’m guessing the teachers who were being accused of these things were caught talking to little kids about gender identity and sexuality and stuff? in that case, i’m sorry but i don’t really blame the parents for being upset. teachers should just teach the regular school curriculum and maybe basic morality and leave gender conversations to the parents. if a kid asks, the teacher can let the parent know first and let the parent decide what they wanna do/what they wanna tell their kids. then all of this might’ve been avoided? :/
like, when i see news like this, “parents livid over california school’s mandatory drag show” and many other news like this, i can sorta sympathize with the parents : https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/california-school-drag-show-causes-outrage-17832300.php
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Exactly. It really is quite messed up. You just have to realize these people who think they are woke are living in an isolated bubble in a sea of people who are actually awake. I truly feel bad for the woke mind. They can only things with a one sided mind, and refuse to see how it effects everyone as a whole.
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exactly. extremists on both sides are ruining it for everyone.
no sane, rational gay/bi/lesbian/trans/straight person wants to be associated with whatever tf this buffoonery/mental illness is 😅:
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i mean, is this what an “all inclusive, loving society” looks like ? 😅

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