Do you think/believe perfection exists?

I don't believe it exists because if something like that already existed, then there wouldn't be a point in us existing. I think the point of existence is to reach perfection. But can we really make it?

What do you think?

I do...but it will take a thousand lifetimes to reach

Posted by BlueSandCacoon
I don't believe it exists because if something like that already existed, then there wouldn't be a point in us existing. I think the point of existence is to reach perfection. But can we really make it?

What do you think?

No, and there's no way to measure perfection.

Posted by PiscVirgAquaFish
I think you can strive towards perfection...but it's an unattainable goal.

So in other words, those who strive towards it are doing it in vain?

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Posted by PiscVirgAquaFish
I think you can strive towards perfection...but it's an unattainable goal.

So in other words, those who strive towards it are doing it in vain?

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Its not in vain...its like having something to live for...to work for

Posted by DonJohnson
perfect what?


perfections can only be caught in glimpses. They never last.

Mike Tyson in 88 when he obliterated undefeated future hall of famer, Michael Spinks in 90 seconds. That night was combat perfection. It was all down hill after that.

Cameron Diaz from a no name model to starring opposite Jim Carrey in The Mask, she was an absolute dimepiece in that movie. And she was never that beautiful again.

As much as they seem "perfect", I think they can be bested.

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Posted by PiscVirgAquaFish
I think you can strive towards perfection...but it's an unattainable goal.

So in other words, those who strive towards it are doing it in vain?

nope.

why do you have to be perfect? if you aim for 10 million and you end up with 3 million..... you are still rich.

if you aim to be the president and ended up being a director. you are still in the top 1% .

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Yeah, but how does that work when you try to be perfect and fail? What do you have?

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Posted by PiscVirgAquaFish
I think you can strive towards perfection...but it's an unattainable goal.

So in other words, those who strive towards it are doing it in vain?

Its not in vain...its like having something to live for...to work for

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But what's the point in working towards a goal you know you can't achieve?

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Posted by BlueSandCacoon
I don't believe it exists because if something like that already existed, then there wouldn't be a point in us existing. I think the point of existence is to reach perfection. But can we really make it?

What do you think?

No, and there's no way to measure perfection.

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This seems the most clear to me, because we're imperfect and not wired to appreciate perfection.

But what if it really exists and we are just unable to see it?

To me, the point of life is to achieve something. If there's nothing more to do, then there's no point in living because there's no need for it.

I was thinking about "perfection" as an end to everything. A state of being where there's no need for anything anymore. I do so because I can't help but to feel that the whole universe and the life within it keeps going on and on because something is lacking. Otherwise everything would go quiet, motionless and dead.

That's why I think we have not reached/seen perfection, but we are fated to pursue it maybe endlessly. But I wonder what would happen if we actually reached that point? Maybe it was that way at the very beginning, but something had to happen for it to abandon that state of "being" (not that's the best word) and to move forward to get us where are are now, right?

I agree with Greyhame.

Perfection comes once you realize you are imperfect and are okay with it. You should read Slaughterhouse 5.

If the found existed, would there be this eternal seeking? Perfection is a journey, not a destination.

Posted by Greyhame
you will probably achieve the most if you aimed for perfection anyway.

we are perfect actually (spiritually) and this whole game of life is called "maya" or illusion. The whole point of playing this game of ego is to experience life seperate from god(which is the illusion) and we think we need to achieve perfection(unaware that we are already perfect). This is why spiritual master say that you need to drop the idea of "achieving enlightenment". you simply need to go beyond ego(five senses and false identification of body) and you will know you are already perfect and full.

It is a matter of elimination and not addition.

I apologize if you are a atheist or don't believe in spirituality but this is the best way i can explain it from my beliefs and understanding the lives of these people.

This reminds me of something I read a long time ago, but I had long forgotten. Certainly, it could be that way but I guess we won't really know unless we reach that state of awareness.

There's no need to apologize. On the contrary, this was very helpful to me so thank you.

I believe in a state of perfection as is subjective. I think the viral pathogen is a excellent example of natural perfection; an organism that has been around since the dawn of life on this planet which endlessly adapts and evolves to its environment with flawless efficiency. The most simple of all life forms with the greatest capacity for destruction that can bring even the mightiest to their knees within hours.

Really, if you stop to examine all the complexities of the world around us: the bonding of oxygen and hydrogen atoms to form water; the intricate network of nervous impulses that must be coordinated for a human heart to beat; the cycles of new life growth from death's decomposition; the stability that the Moon's gravity offers the Earth which is essential for any of these life processes to occur to begin with; and right down to the spiraling pathways of electrons in every single atom, life is already perfect. Everything is perfect and endlessly beautiful. That we're here to witness any of it is nothing short of a bloody miracle as far as I'm concerned.

In mathematics, a dynamical system is chaotic if it is (highly) sensitive to initial conditions (the so-called "butterfly effect", which requires the mathematical properties of topological mixing and dense periodic orbits.

Alongside fractals, chaos theory ranks as an essentially universal influence on patterns in nature. There is a relationship between chaos and fractals—the strange attractors in chaotic systems have a fractal dimension.[48] Some cellular automata, simple sets of mathematical rules that generate patterns, have chaotic behaviour, notably Stephen Wolfram's Rule 30,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patterns_in_nature

Perfection is everywhere... Never still yet captivating.

TMV I question you're statement that Virus's are perfect. It seems to me that they are far from it. They can't even reproduce on their own, and if they killed all of their hosts they would be forever inactive. I think cells that can actually duplicate their own DNA are a much better example of perfection. Virus's only exist as a side arm.

And without viruses, human beings wouldn't exist as we know ourselves today. Approximately 8% of our genome has been contributed by various viral entities.

I can see the point that perhaps creatures without need for a host to replicate have an edge, but even sentient asexual organisms have to meet certain criteria which is dependent on their environment and resources among other things. Those prerequisites would be thrown wildly out of balance without simple pathogens. Should the animal populations grow out of control without a stabilizing force, then their vegetation resources would be irreparably depleted until they also died out. And should too few animals grow to fruition, such as would happen if viruses were able to reproduce on their own without hosts, then the environment would be equally devastated by wild growth.

Everything exists in a tentative balance. Breaking even the smallest chain would ripple outward and affect the entire system.

I think eating the apple is a biblical symbol of our species becoming aware of our tentative place within that cycle and being made very uncomfortable for it.

There are rare exceptions of perfection, and I have experienced a few instances of it myself.

However, perfection certainly and unfortunately is fleeting.

Do you think/believe perfection exists?

Yes.

Posted by BlueSandCacoon
I don't believe it exists because if something like that already existed, then there wouldn't be a point in us existing. I think the point of existence is to reach perfection. But can we really make it?

What do you think?

I don't think perfection, as a human trait, exists.

"Instances of perfection" are still subjective.

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But I do think it is interesting, and possibly an instance of perfection, how the Earth just seems to hang in there and rotate at a "perfect" speed-- keeping us grounded and positioned just close enough to the sun.

The seasons come about every year, just like they always do-- unless, of course, you choose to live close to the equator and it's just frickin hot all the time. Bleh.

And who knows-- as its inhabitants, maybe we are perfect in our imperfection.




Blame my moon. 😄

Posted by DonJohnson
perfect what?


perfections can only be caught in glimpses. They never last.

Mike Tyson in 88 when he obliterated undefeated future hall of famer, Michael Spinks in 90 seconds. That night was combat perfection. It was all down hill after that.

Cameron Diaz from a no name model to starring opposite Jim Carrey in The Mask, she was an absolute dimepiece in that movie. And she was never that beautiful again.

^^ what this guy said.....there are moments in time that you will only describe as perfect...thats how I see perfect....if we went to heaven I guess we would be frozen in time and never age and just be perfect forever...

Posted by BlueSandCacoon
To me, the point of life is to achieve something. If there's nothing more to do, then there's no point in living because there's no need for it.

I was thinking about "perfection" as an end to everything. A state of being where there's no need for anything anymore. I do so because I can't help but to feel that the whole universe and the life within it keeps going on and on because something is lacking. Otherwise everything would go quiet, motionless and dead.

That's why I think we have not reached/seen perfection, but we are fated to pursue it maybe endlessly. But I wonder what would happen if we actually reached that point? Maybe it was that way at the very beginning, but something had to happen for it to abandon that state of "being" (not that's the best word) and to move forward to get us where are are now, right?

There are somethings that simply don't need to be achieved. As for perfection in oneself, it'll take several lifetimes anyway. That's one of the main points of astrology. To experience life and learn the lessons of that astrological meditation. Take love for example. We each have a lesson to teach and learn. Like my sign, Sagittarius. I am to teach that love is passion and to learn that love is loyalty and I've learned the latter. Now I must push towards perfection in both. It doesn't matter that I don't reach it because those lessons will be carried over into the next meditation.

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Posted by beautifulsoul74
I do...but it will take a thousand lifetimes to reach

Yes 🙂

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