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DXP Survivor 2014 Part V
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Over man??s long history, a wide variety of individuals, both real and imagined, animals, and even things have been worshipped as deities by man. It is rare that any good deed has been done in His or It's name that has not been quickly, or even preemptively, balanced by an equal wrong. Dryer Sheets, you have chosen to argue that religion has done more harm than good. Air Heads, you have been assigned the position of arguing that religion has done more good than harm.
The winner of the debate will be the team that best stakes its position, defends it against attack, weakens the opposing team??s position, and supports its position with empirical and/or logical evidence. Any arguments predicated upon law will be ignored in judging the debate.
If there are any questions, ask away. The debate will start in roughly one hour.
The winner of the debate will be the team that best stakes its position, defends it against attack, weakens the opposing team??s position, and supports its position with empirical and/or logical evidence. Any arguments predicated upon law will be ignored in judging the debate.
If there are any questions, ask away. The debate will start in roughly one hour.
lmbo..Shut up Scruffy lol..omg
Is there some breed of blue elephants of which I am unaware?
Posted by duchessedenemours
Can you define worship?
Worship: the respect and/or adoration shown by the followers of a given deity to him/her/it, commonly in the form of prayer, obedience, and/or sacrificial offerings.
Is there some breed of bipedal elephant possessing blue skin, 2 legs, 4 arms, opposing thumbs, and a marked affinity for bizarre headdresses of which I am unaware?
Request denied.
You need a hat that compliments your eyes and neither of the options you have provided accomplishes this particularly well.
Request denied.
You need a hat that compliments your eyes and neither of the options you have provided accomplishes this particularly well.
The last post to be considered for the purpose of the debate will be stamped 23 hours, 59 minutes, 59 seconds after the time stamp on this post. Good luck!
Wrong shade of green. Four eyes is not a good number of eyes for a cat.
Geeezzzz......take it easy already.....
Posted by MadameDeScruffsalot
Oh and just to earn my point fairly??_this is why I think religion does more harm than good??_
My participation in this debate is now over.
I rest my case, your Honor.
Good night all...
Did religion tell whomever to do this? You need to be more specific please 🙂
Posted by duchessedenemours
The Crusades caused needless blood shed for how many centuries again?
Religion did not tell the to do this..
Defending Religion Does More good than harm
Religion brings people from all walks of life together. Whether someone is Christian, Islam etc their belief gives them a sense of fulfillment and satisfaction. People of the same religions are able to turn to each other for moral support and their beliefs provide them answers and meaning to life which many people seek. What ever beliefs you have is your choice to make. If it were not for religious givers and founders, most charities would not exist or be as successful like YMCA, Cancer Society, food for the poor, Islamic Relief, Muslim Aid, United way, New Hampshire Catholic Charities, St Judes etc. Without Religion there would double chaos around the world because religion provides structure. Religion encourages us to help one another.
Religion brings people from all walks of life together. Whether someone is Christian, Islam etc their belief gives them a sense of fulfillment and satisfaction. People of the same religions are able to turn to each other for moral support and their beliefs provide them answers and meaning to life which many people seek. What ever beliefs you have is your choice to make. If it were not for religious givers and founders, most charities would not exist or be as successful like YMCA, Cancer Society, food for the poor, Islamic Relief, Muslim Aid, United way, New Hampshire Catholic Charities, St Judes etc. Without Religion there would double chaos around the world because religion provides structure. Religion encourages us to help one another.
Posted by aquariuslove14
Defending Religion Does More good than harm
Religion brings people from all walks of life together. Whether someone is Christian, Islam etc their belief gives them a sense of fulfillment and satisfaction. People of the same religions are able to turn to each other for moral support and their beliefs provide them answers and meaning to life which many people seek. What ever beliefs you have is your choice to make. If it were not for religious givers and founders, most charities would not exist or be as successful like YMCA, Cancer Society, food for the poor, Islamic Relief, Muslim Aid, United way, New Hampshire Catholic Charities, St Judes etc. Without Religion there would double chaos around the world because religion provides structure. Religion encourages us to help one another.
How many people have you seen from Islam and Christianity coming together and turning to each other for moral support? Are you even living in this reality?
The major world religions each cater to a segment of civilization so the meaning of live differs drastically from one religion to the next. This lends to an extremist tendency to relate to a belief system and dismiss all the rest.
In order for human being to evolve, we need to learn to think critically and look at all angles. Considering every religion deems the next one as unacceptable and condemns to hell the participants, this only furthers the bias in our minds. It takes away from our propensity to learn and grow.
Religion does not encourage us to help one another, it encourages bonding within one community BUT at the same time it promotes a conflict by opposing one system of beliefs to the next.
Chaos around the world? Religion is the main factor for bringing conflict into it.
WTF? Is this geography? 0__0
lmbo
Posted by GetMistedPosted by Damnata
WTF? Is this geography? 0__0
No.click to expand
Oh sorry I think I saw a map. Must have been mistaken 0__0
Posted by GetMistedPosted by DamnataPosted by GetMistedPosted by Damnata
WTF? Is this geography? 0__0
No.
Oh sorry I think I saw a "map. Must have been mistaken 0__0
Actually, it's a JPG. But whatever.click to expand
JPG as in Just Posting Gibberish. Gotcha.
Posted by DamnataPosted by aquariuslove14
Defending Religion Does More good than harm
Religion brings people from all walks of life together. Whether someone is Christian, Islam etc their belief gives them a sense of fulfillment and satisfaction. People of the same religions are able to turn to each other for moral support and their beliefs provide them answers and meaning to life which many people seek. What ever beliefs you have is your choice to make. If it were not for religious givers and founders, most charities would not exist or be as successful like YMCA, Cancer Society, food for the poor, Islamic Relief, Muslim Aid, United way, New Hampshire Catholic Charities, St Judes etc. Without Religion there would double chaos around the world because religion provides structure. Religion encourages us to help one another.
How many people have you seen from Islam and Christianity coming together and turning to each other for moral support? Are you even living in this reality?
The major world religions each cater to a segment of civilization so the meaning of live differs drastically from one religion to the next. This lends to an extremist tendency to relate to a belief system and dismiss all the rest.
In order for human being to evolve, we need to learn to think critically and look at all angles. Considering every religion deems the next one as unacceptable and condemns to hell the participants, this only furthers the bias in our minds. It takes away from our propensity to learn and grow.
Religion does not encourage us to help one another, it encourages bonding within one community BUT at the same time it promotes a conflict by opposing one system of beliefs to the next.
Chaos around the world? Religion is the main factor for bringing conflict into it.click to expand
How many people have you seen from Islam and Christianity coming together and turning to each other for moral support?
I have seen people from with different beliefs come together, sit around a table, break bread and talk about their problems..(it happens everyday) 🙂
Are you even living in this reality? (Me responding to you, is proof I live in Reality).......
BONDING is a good thing. Therefore Region does something good.
You responding to me is only proof Internet bots have achieved a new level in typing. At this point we don't even know if there's real people in this debate I swear lol.
And yes, I've seen people breaking bread also...especially in the sonnet challenge. However the world is not just one table, one setting. We are discussing majorities..and those do not get along.
Bonding is good as long as it doesn't pit one community against the next. This is the prevalent thing that happens with religious types.
And yes, I've seen people breaking bread also...especially in the sonnet challenge. However the world is not just one table, one setting. We are discussing majorities..and those do not get along.
Bonding is good as long as it doesn't pit one community against the next. This is the prevalent thing that happens with religious types.
To go off Beluga's statement (as much as it hurts me to do this)..those people are CLEARLY not into breaking bread together.
Posted by GetMistedPosted by Damnata
WTF? Is this geography? 0__0
No.
The map is to point out that the "Holy Land" (according to the Qu'ran, which is also the earliest known writing of Gods word) was located it what was originally Palestine. When Jewish settlers migrated to Palestine, they attempted to claim the "Holy Land" in the name of their own God.
It was used as a reference point in case some people don't know their religious history.click to expand
Relative to what? The Muslim religion? Because it certainly is not the oldest documented written religious text found.
The Quran States " If anyone has killed one person it is as if he had killed the whole mankind (5:32"...It is not promoting violence.
also
The Five Pillars of Islam (ark??n al-Isl??m ——— —??_—?; also ark??n al-d??n ——— ——?_?? "pillars of the religion") are five basic acts in Islam, considered mandatory by believers and are the foundation of Muslim life. They are summarized in the famous hadith of Gabriel.[1][2][3][4]
They make up Muslim life, prayer, concern for the needy, self purification and the pilgrimage. They are:
1.Shahadah: declaring there is no god except God, and Muhammad is God's Messenger
2.Salat: ritual prayer five times a day
3.Zakat: giving 2.5% of one's savings to the poor and needy
4.Sawm: fasting and self-control during the blessed month of Ramadan
5.Hajj: pilgrimage to Mecca at least once in a lifetime[5][6] if he/she is able to[7]
also
The Five Pillars of Islam (ark??n al-Isl??m ——— —??_—?; also ark??n al-d??n ——— ——?_?? "pillars of the religion") are five basic acts in Islam, considered mandatory by believers and are the foundation of Muslim life. They are summarized in the famous hadith of Gabriel.[1][2][3][4]
They make up Muslim life, prayer, concern for the needy, self purification and the pilgrimage. They are:
1.Shahadah: declaring there is no god except God, and Muhammad is God's Messenger
2.Salat: ritual prayer five times a day
3.Zakat: giving 2.5% of one's savings to the poor and needy
4.Sawm: fasting and self-control during the blessed month of Ramadan
5.Hajj: pilgrimage to Mecca at least once in a lifetime[5][6] if he/she is able to[7]
Posted by GetMisted
Even children... This is what our children are fighting for. Religion.
These children have been brainwashed...They are following leaders who are trying to create their own negative religion.
guys I have to go..I need to at least 1 hour rest...smh...10 minutes to 4am here..I will return in the afternoon...
Try not to kick my butt so much if you can help it!! 😄
Try not to kick my butt so much if you can help it!! 😄
Posted by GetMisted
I finally get a topic that I can argue for (based on my beliefs) and this is the result? Something seems fishy.
I think it's 1 pm in the US now so people are at work while you lazy around in your water tank. Don't worry, everyone wants our team to win so we can get you out. (delusional is but a word)
I wasn't attacking you, I told you why we didn't get any replies to our arguments. People are at work.
Do you see people after you? Calm down, sixth sense.
Do you see people after you? Calm down, sixth sense.
Posted by GetMistedPosted by aquariuslove14Posted by GetMisted
Even children... This is what our children are fighting for. Religion.
These children have been brainwashed...They are following leaders who are trying to create their own negative religion.
So you are saying one of two things here:
1. Religion is used to brainwash children into fighting for a nation's causes?
2. The leaders of Israel and Palestine are using children to create or support evil (negative) religions. Which in this case would be Judaism (Israel) or Muslim (Palestine).
You wouldn't happen to be Baptist, would you? Serious question.
Either way, your comment does nothing to help your arguement (you countered yourself) and quite frankly, the statement comes across as a bit ignorant of other religions and cultures.click to expand
My belief has noithing to do with this debate. If you havnt notice people just so happen to end up debating on the wrong side of the stick, not necessarily something they agree with...
I am very happy that you are finally arguing your views. Please do not try to bring ingnorance into this. If i could pin something it would be my foot up your ass or maybe even your mouth.
Anyways....i have celebrations to attend
Seems ur chances to win are high.. Good thing NYAA isnt playing..you wouldnt have had much luck. (get over yourself).. 😉
Bye
Posted by GetMisted
What I do in my spare time is no concern of anyone but myself.
And I don't know why everyone is after me? All I've done is ask for a fair game, which once NYAA got out, the Goat fullfilled my request.
You mind elaborating as to what exactly it is you mean by this comment?
Posted by GetMisted
I finally get a topic that I can argue for (based on my beliefs) and this is the result? Something seems fishy.
The only thing fishy is your mouth..close it and the smell will be gone...bye
*Drops Mic
how can this even be a debate it is too easy
Posted by GuessWho
*Drops Mic
That shit is so good btw. I just did a marathon last weekend and watched all 9 episodes.
Posted by GuessWho
how can this even be a debate it is too easy
You'd think, but this game really lacks the talent to explore some of the seemingly obvious points here.
The series is very good plus it has two very good actors imho
About religion idk it's a "serious" topic but i really feel for the ppl that need to defend it
About religion idk it's a "serious" topic but i really feel for the ppl that need to defend it
Posted by GetMistedPosted by NotYourAverageAquariusPosted by GetMisted
What I do in my spare time is no concern of anyone but myself.
And I don't know why everyone is after me? All I've done is ask for a fair game, which once NYAA got out, the Goat fullfilled my request.
You mind elaborating as to what exactly it is you mean by this comment?
Don't be a silly goose. You know what I meant 😉click to expand
Nope I sure didn't. Thats why I asked and I'm still waiting.
🙂
Religion on a general scope, even in pre - modern societies, long ago in history is but a concept created by human kind, thus flawed.
Religion itself, did not sprout from no origin, these were stories, and rules which brought certain figures to importance, it was conjured up based upon what they found around them or saw.
As pre - modern societies progressed, the simplicity of such religions developed, as the stories grew layered.
The basis of this point is, often times religion on a general scope began with the seed of story - telling, the imagination, not of scientific or any factual basis. Since religion is thus flawed, it is also merely what humans make of it, it is subject to interpretation and perception, thus in certain individuals hands, it could end up as a tool of power to dominate unwillingly groups of individual into . Power inherently becomes distributed to amongst very few hands, when these individuals are hardly governed besides a so called 'divine' superior, evidence does showcase guilt, shame, fear and hatred to be cultivated in order to coerce people to one religion over another. By being rejecting of others to such extremes, we are segregating human kind thus stunting the growth of societies on a whole, especially when religion is or becomes to focal point of decisions made especially when in trickles into the detailed ongoings of political policies, a heavy weight influence.
Religion itself, did not sprout from no origin, these were stories, and rules which brought certain figures to importance, it was conjured up based upon what they found around them or saw.
As pre - modern societies progressed, the simplicity of such religions developed, as the stories grew layered.
The basis of this point is, often times religion on a general scope began with the seed of story - telling, the imagination, not of scientific or any factual basis. Since religion is thus flawed, it is also merely what humans make of it, it is subject to interpretation and perception, thus in certain individuals hands, it could end up as a tool of power to dominate unwillingly groups of individual into . Power inherently becomes distributed to amongst very few hands, when these individuals are hardly governed besides a so called 'divine' superior, evidence does showcase guilt, shame, fear and hatred to be cultivated in order to coerce people to one religion over another. By being rejecting of others to such extremes, we are segregating human kind thus stunting the growth of societies on a whole, especially when religion is or becomes to focal point of decisions made especially when in trickles into the detailed ongoings of political policies, a heavy weight influence.
Religion itself does not foster 'reason' in societies, it justifies itself that one must simply believe without understanding more often than not. Reason as showcased in history very rarely was the cause in which a war was initiated but religion on the other hand was. This causes a segregation of individuals, when we should aim to unite human kind to a certain degree. This is said because religion teaches a bias, that theirs is best but others are not, this fosters a sense of selfishness in people, not only so but a tunnel vision in mentality, which could lead to dangerous places thus 'extremist' being formed. Religion and Spirituality are two variant concepts, the former is but a systemisation and preservation of religious truths, once this has cultural approval, exclusivity is born, the 'elite' and a hierarchy structure is formed, ruining the otherwise egalitarian structure in which pre -modern societies based itself on. It becomes a basis of shaping and moulding peoples' thoughts and mentality within a certain society to fit those in influence or power, more often not to their detriment and not benefit, it is forcing upon individuals, a framework stating how they should think and whom is seemingly the 'right/good/worthy' ones on this planet. Discrimination.
Thus religion itself acts as a barrier to amongst people, it does not foster open - mindedness or acceptance of others, inherently so. This causes differences, oppression and suppression, religion silence voices. It impedes scientific development, the growth of our intelligence as a whole, as humanity, or even an intellectual culture, and lastly spiritual growth. Science is journey forward towards reason, logics, and truths, religion encourages us not to learn but to believe blindly, it monopolises on the fears in which humanity suffers from, and pushes forth hope as the key to a resolution. That destroys the ability to critically think for ourselves and to know how to choose, to make a choice with their own best interests at heart.
Thus religion itself acts as a barrier to amongst people, it does not foster open - mindedness or acceptance of others, inherently so. This causes differences, oppression and suppression, religion silence voices. It impedes scientific development, the growth of our intelligence as a whole, as humanity, or even an intellectual culture, and lastly spiritual growth. Science is journey forward towards reason, logics, and truths, religion encourages us not to learn but to believe blindly, it monopolises on the fears in which humanity suffers from, and pushes forth hope as the key to a resolution. That destroys the ability to critically think for ourselves and to know how to choose, to make a choice with their own best interests at heart.
Excuse these grammatical errors. . .
did not sprout from one origin or an origin at all*
dominate unwilling groups of individuals into submission.*
Power inherently becomes distributed amongst very few hands*
By being thus rejecting*
especially when religion is or becomes the focal point of decision made, emphasised so when it trickles into the detailed ongoings of political policies as a heavy weight influence.*
did not sprout from one origin or an origin at all*
dominate unwilling groups of individuals into submission.*
Power inherently becomes distributed amongst very few hands*
By being thus rejecting*
especially when religion is or becomes the focal point of decision made, emphasised so when it trickles into the detailed ongoings of political policies as a heavy weight influence.*
Posted by TheLadyScorpio
Excuse these grammatical errors. . .
did not sprout from one origin or an origin at all*
dominate unwilling groups of individuals into submission.*
Power inherently becomes distributed amongst very few hands*
By being thus rejecting*
especially when religion is or becomes the focal point of decision made, emphasised so when it trickles into the detailed ongoings of political policies as a heavy weight influence.*
I am unto you, VIRGO!
cont'd
it justifies itself by stating one must simply believe without understanding nor questioning.*
Therefore religion itself acts as a barrier amongst people, it is an opposition to freedom*
Science is a journey forward*
it justifies itself by stating one must simply believe without understanding nor questioning.*
Therefore religion itself acts as a barrier amongst people, it is an opposition to freedom*
Science is a journey forward*
Posted by DamnataPosted by TheLadyScorpio
Excuse these grammatical errors. . .
did not sprout from one origin or an origin at all*
dominate unwilling groups of individuals into submission.*
Power inherently becomes distributed amongst very few hands*
By being thus rejecting*
especially when religion is or becomes the focal point of decision made, emphasised so when it trickles into the detailed ongoings of political policies as a heavy weight influence.*
I am unto you, VIRGO!click to expand
Heathen! To jump upon the bandwagon as swiftly as you have, SCORPIO!
More like air sign 😄
Posted by GetMisted
What the hell? All the flak I catch for not debating earlier.
You CAN stop bitching. You don't need to look to false idols to do that.
Posted by DamnataPosted by GetMisted
What the hell? All the flak I catch for not debating earlier.
You CAN stop bitching. You don't need to look to false idols to do that.click to expand
Come now you two, too much oestrogen in the air?
The harm of religion??_
??_.I will approach this from an individual standpoint, before it reaches a point where it's an organized part of society.
Simply put, religion is a delusion rooted in a person??s ego. It renders all critical thinking obsolete because it prays on the most basic human instinct — the instinct of survival. The main focus in all major religions is the afterlife and by enforcing this concept, humans can always fall into a trap of feeling safe and not daring to evolve and push beyond their limits in this life.
There's a nice quote I strongly relate to: Jump. The net will suddenly appear.
In this respect, religion acts like a crutch for the ego to hold unto and keep it focused on the elements within it. It does not promote an intellectual expansion and it dumbs feelings down because nothing can be seen as genuine in the context of the story. Like all stories, it provides an environment for people to tap into and it shortcircuits them from the tangible reality and the idea of transcendence. A person can only transcend based on understanding themselves and to be able to do that you need the absence of any guideline and you need to fall as much as possible. The concept of sin dismisses human experience as inadequate.
Another concept that is wrongly tied to the concept of religion is morality. Morality in itself expressed the good in the human beings..the part that is meant to be encouraged and supported by your soul and principles. By blending this into religion, it warps into a system where the human being constantly looks up to guidelines to experience life, rather than taking it as it as and constantly adapting/improving.
By placing impossible expectations for people to conform too, religion switches the role from lead actor in one's life to a spectator, thus completely changing the purpose for growth. It creates a false hope for redemption, where there will be no redemption or retribution. The consequences we face for our choices are meant to be enforced by our principles and not by the fear of punishment. It does one no good not to do an act seen as morally inadequate if they are still thinking it and living it deep down. Religion only regulates the action on the surface level, while lowering someone's self esteem til it blends in the collective unconscious, losing all semblance of originality.
??_.I will approach this from an individual standpoint, before it reaches a point where it's an organized part of society.
Simply put, religion is a delusion rooted in a person??s ego. It renders all critical thinking obsolete because it prays on the most basic human instinct — the instinct of survival. The main focus in all major religions is the afterlife and by enforcing this concept, humans can always fall into a trap of feeling safe and not daring to evolve and push beyond their limits in this life.
There's a nice quote I strongly relate to: Jump. The net will suddenly appear.
In this respect, religion acts like a crutch for the ego to hold unto and keep it focused on the elements within it. It does not promote an intellectual expansion and it dumbs feelings down because nothing can be seen as genuine in the context of the story. Like all stories, it provides an environment for people to tap into and it shortcircuits them from the tangible reality and the idea of transcendence. A person can only transcend based on understanding themselves and to be able to do that you need the absence of any guideline and you need to fall as much as possible. The concept of sin dismisses human experience as inadequate.
Another concept that is wrongly tied to the concept of religion is morality. Morality in itself expressed the good in the human beings..the part that is meant to be encouraged and supported by your soul and principles. By blending this into religion, it warps into a system where the human being constantly looks up to guidelines to experience life, rather than taking it as it as and constantly adapting/improving.
By placing impossible expectations for people to conform too, religion switches the role from lead actor in one's life to a spectator, thus completely changing the purpose for growth. It creates a false hope for redemption, where there will be no redemption or retribution. The consequences we face for our choices are meant to be enforced by our principles and not by the fear of punishment. It does one no good not to do an act seen as morally inadequate if they are still thinking it and living it deep down. Religion only regulates the action on the surface level, while lowering someone's self esteem til it blends in the collective unconscious, losing all semblance of originality.
The way we go about achieving spirituality is a path we must take in the direction we need it most for our soul to evolve or devolve..it is within our choosing and close to our grasp. Predetermined guidelines are akin to dangling what the soul wants at a distance that is forever out of reach and falls short of perfection.
Posted by TheLadyScorpioPosted by DamnataPosted by GetMisted
What the hell? All the flak I catch for not debating earlier.
You CAN stop bitching. You don't need to look to false idols to do that.
Come now you two, too much oestrogen in the air?click to expand
I'd dignify you with an answer but then I'd sound too much like a woman so...pfft *shrug*
He never defined religion so I understood it as up to grabs depending on what type you want to debate. Pretty slick this Stoic guy.
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