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DXP Survivor 2014 Part VI
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Bitch, bye.
I am not late. Your clock is (obviously) fast, Crabcakes.
The giving of alms and performance of other charitable works has long been held in high esteem, but is this esteem warranted? There is certainly something to be said for the ancient Chinese proverb, "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime," but precisely how much? Downy Dryer Sheets, you have chosen to argue that charity is more destructive than constructive (that it does more harm than good). Air Heads, you have been assigned the position of arguing that charity is more constructive than destructive (that it does more good than harm).
The winner of the debate will be the team that best stakes its position, defends it against attack, weakens the opposing team??s position, and supports its position with empirical and/or logical evidence. Any arguments predicated upon law will be ignored in judging the debate.
If there are any questions, ask away. The debate will start in roughly one hour.
The winner of the debate will be the team that best stakes its position, defends it against attack, weakens the opposing team??s position, and supports its position with empirical and/or logical evidence. Any arguments predicated upon law will be ignored in judging the debate.
If there are any questions, ask away. The debate will start in roughly one hour.
We are at liberty to pick whatever definition, right?
I don't think it would do to have the teams arguing over the definition of "charity".
For the purpose of the debate, charity shall be defined as, "the giving of money, food, or other resources to those less fortunate than the giver."
For the purpose of the debate, charity shall be defined as, "the giving of money, food, or other resources to those less fortunate than the giver."
That's vague so I am cool with that 😄
Egg cell lint 😄
Because we posted first?
Judge also please define "cat" "soulmates" and "karma" please.
Judge also please define "cat" "soulmates" and "karma" please.
Cat, you doomed us.
Posted by MadameDeScruffsalotPosted by StoicGoat
I don't think it would do to have the teams arguing over the definition of "charity".
For the purpose of the debate, charity shall be defined as, "the giving of money, food, or other resources to those less fortunate than the giver."
Sir, I need clarification...
Can you please define "food" for the purpose of this debate?
Do you mean seafood? For that is indeed destructive. Or does a stoic Goat feast count as "food" also?click to expand
It could be argued that reducing the quantity of exoskeletonized creatures in the world is a public service and therefore a constructive good.
Seafood is clearly included in the more general term "food".
Posted by MadameDeScruffsalotPosted by Damnata
Cat, you doomed us.
Excuse you?!
If you weren't so busy being rude to le Duchess, perhaps you would have made a wiser choice than I for you were here before me. N'est pas?click to expand
..../humor
Can't see them Stoic, will go on Chrome. Hope you delivered.
The first one's pretty good; the second one's a B at best.
Is it the browser that makes the difference for you Damnata? Does it make any difference on what site images are hosted?
Is it the browser that makes the difference for you Damnata? Does it make any difference on what site images are hosted?
Yup, I can't see them on Mozilla but I always open Chrome just in case.
lol@ soulmates
lol@ soulmates
I do believe our time has passed. The last post that will be judged for this debate will be stamped 23 hours, 59 minutes, 59 seconds after the time stamp on this post. Good luck!
Stoic, hosting them on imgur.com and posting the html link works every time 😄
😄 > 😱
Posted by justagirlPosted by StoicGoat
😄 > 😱
I vote the opposite..
no teeth vs. teeth
Think about that for a sec...
😈click to expand
Naughty cheer girl! 😉
Posted by MadameDeScruffsalot
Gums!! 😉
@Goat, you betcha!!
LOLOL
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Oh hell no you ain't getting shy on us now. 😛
*knows you spot the tongue on that one...*click to expand
me shy? HA!
was a quote fail, I will unhide it! LMAO
Steve, I will come back post later. Still building the argument in my head.
My team's side of the equation is tough to defend atm. I cannot counter your comment because you don't belong to a team and Stoic won't validate me 😄
Thing is, if someone from the other team would've liked to use that reasoning (the one you posted), you've ruined it for them. That's why it annoys me when audience intervenes. Hope you can understand that..although you kinda did me a solid with that 😄
My team's side of the equation is tough to defend atm. I cannot counter your comment because you don't belong to a team and Stoic won't validate me 😄
Thing is, if someone from the other team would've liked to use that reasoning (the one you posted), you've ruined it for them. That's why it annoys me when audience intervenes. Hope you can understand that..although you kinda did me a solid with that 😄
Oh I see your point, don't worry 😄
I love a good debate as much as you do...some topics just bore me to be honest lol.
I love a good debate as much as you do...some topics just bore me to be honest lol.
Ok, so clock struck 1 AM in Vampire Land and my owl self is ready for debate 😄
First off, something for Stoic and his wise ass "If you give a man a fish.." proverb:
Jump to 56:00
For the more lazy amongst us:
"They told us if you give a man a fish he eats for a day, but if you teach a man to fish, he'll eat for the rest of his life."
"A'ight, that's wrong. You give a man a fish, that man owes you a fish and a half. Every day he don't pay you back, it goes up another half a fish. You don't get no fish in a couple of weeks, you gotta break him and send a message kidd a'ight. Who are you giving away all these fish for God's sake? Sink his boat, that will get his attention"
First off, something for Stoic and his wise ass "If you give a man a fish.." proverb:
Jump to 56:00
For the more lazy amongst us:
"They told us if you give a man a fish he eats for a day, but if you teach a man to fish, he'll eat for the rest of his life."
"A'ight, that's wrong. You give a man a fish, that man owes you a fish and a half. Every day he don't pay you back, it goes up another half a fish. You don't get no fish in a couple of weeks, you gotta break him and send a message kidd a'ight. Who are you giving away all these fish for God's sake? Sink his boat, that will get his attention"
Posted by duchessedenemours
What about some disabled people that are unable to fish?
Pretty much that's the point of fishing. Staying there with a stick in your hand. Even the disabled can do it.
Against charity
First off we need to understand what charity really is. There are a number of definitions for it but they all revolve around unselfishly giving to another.
The problem with doing that lies in the assertion of unselfishness. It brings to mind the concept of giving FOR another, when in fact we??re giving to feel better for ourselves.
As a result, all giving translates to enabling on an individual level.
The person we claim to give unselfishly to is stripped of their dignity and their chance for self-improvement.
He/she can fall within two mindsets:
1) Compliance, where they will never try to achieve anything
2) Desperation, where they feel you??re having pity on them.
Both those 2 mindsets will stunt their growth in the long term. And getting on that point??_
We need to also consider the short term benefit and compare it to the long term.
In the short term, charity might help. In the long term it will lead to a life where that person will automatically cease to have autonomy because they will be dependent on you and the system.
After taking into account the impact on a personal level, we need to look within the system where charity is concerned. Most ideas start well in life but translating them to an organized structure depletes them of meaning.
A system where charity takes place is still a social system. As a result, it isn't impervious to human fault. As a consequence of that..a lot of the financial funds allocated to helping people will drift off into bank accounts because you cannot take the greed out of people, especially when it's hard to have a paper trail for donations.
On the other side of the trenches, people who might not need charity will exploit this fault and use it to further themselves in life. A lot of networks will be formed, for the sole purpose to exploit it.
First off we need to understand what charity really is. There are a number of definitions for it but they all revolve around unselfishly giving to another.
The problem with doing that lies in the assertion of unselfishness. It brings to mind the concept of giving FOR another, when in fact we??re giving to feel better for ourselves.
As a result, all giving translates to enabling on an individual level.
The person we claim to give unselfishly to is stripped of their dignity and their chance for self-improvement.
He/she can fall within two mindsets:
1) Compliance, where they will never try to achieve anything
2) Desperation, where they feel you??re having pity on them.
Both those 2 mindsets will stunt their growth in the long term. And getting on that point??_
We need to also consider the short term benefit and compare it to the long term.
In the short term, charity might help. In the long term it will lead to a life where that person will automatically cease to have autonomy because they will be dependent on you and the system.
After taking into account the impact on a personal level, we need to look within the system where charity is concerned. Most ideas start well in life but translating them to an organized structure depletes them of meaning.
A system where charity takes place is still a social system. As a result, it isn't impervious to human fault. As a consequence of that..a lot of the financial funds allocated to helping people will drift off into bank accounts because you cannot take the greed out of people, especially when it's hard to have a paper trail for donations.
On the other side of the trenches, people who might not need charity will exploit this fault and use it to further themselves in life. A lot of networks will be formed, for the sole purpose to exploit it.
You can always find a solution to indulge in a hobby you have. Being disabled will not take away from that and it's an insult to assume it is.
Posted by duchessedenemoursPosted by Damnata
You can always find a solution to indulge in a hobby you have. Being disabled will not take away from that and it's an insult to assume it is.
But in order for them to be self sufficient they need resources, no?click to expand
We all need resources and we find ways to get them ourselves. If we cannot, the first pillar of strength with us lies in our families..not in society as large and the system for charity.
Posted by aquariuslove14Posted by duchessedenemours
Time?
it's not time until the fat lady sings....lolclick to expand
I didn't realize we were down to personal insults now.
Well fuck you too! lol
le Douchess more like it.
Posted by DamnataPosted by aquariuslove14Posted by duchessedenemours
Time?
it's not time until the fat lady sings....lol
I didn't realize we were down to personal insults now.
Well fuck you too! lolclick to expand
bol...Fat women have great voices..that was not an insult..and you do not look fat all..however your rare end and gut may say otherwise...lmbo
To respond to Damnata argument on page 4
^^^^^^There maybe a number of definition for charity but for this debate only this definition will stand
When any individual, group or organization gives they are giving because there is a NEED. All giving is not done because someone wants to feel good about themselves. It is called having a conscious. Why see someone in need and not help? For example, You are in the check out line at a grocery story, and the man/woman in front of you is short 5 dollar which the obviously don't have. They instructed the cashier to put back an item valued the same amount. I know that I have an extra 5 dollars. Me feeling bad for them can say "here, I can give you 5 dollars" just out of the simple kindness out of my heart. Yes it is true I will fee good that I just did that because I saw a need and I helped but the person who benefits the most is the receiver not the giver.
No one is forced to give anything. It is our conscious which tells us to give when we know that we can help. That is the benefit of giving because it helps both the giver and receiver. When you see someone in need that you can help and do not help that is when it is destructive because you did not help and you have to live with your conscious and sleepless nights.
The receiver is not stripped of their dignity. When someone is in need they make the choice to ask for help. No one forces anyone to ask anyone for help. It takes great courage for someone to ask for help and not be turned away. When they see how warm and welcoming the giver is it takes away FEAR. Fear of being rejected. If anything they are building confidence. Sooner or later they will realize that it doesn't hurt to try to get help or Ask for help because at that point they have nothing to loose but to gain.
Posted by StoicGoat
I don't think it would do to have the teams arguing over the definition of "charity". For the purpose of the debate, charity shall be defined as, "the giving of money, food, or other resources to those less fortunate than the giver."
^^^^^^There maybe a number of definition for charity but for this debate only this definition will stand
When any individual, group or organization gives they are giving because there is a NEED. All giving is not done because someone wants to feel good about themselves. It is called having a conscious. Why see someone in need and not help? For example, You are in the check out line at a grocery story, and the man/woman in front of you is short 5 dollar which the obviously don't have. They instructed the cashier to put back an item valued the same amount. I know that I have an extra 5 dollars. Me feeling bad for them can say "here, I can give you 5 dollars" just out of the simple kindness out of my heart. Yes it is true I will fee good that I just did that because I saw a need and I helped but the person who benefits the most is the receiver not the giver.
No one is forced to give anything. It is our conscious which tells us to give when we know that we can help. That is the benefit of giving because it helps both the giver and receiver. When you see someone in need that you can help and do not help that is when it is destructive because you did not help and you have to live with your conscious and sleepless nights.
The receiver is not stripped of their dignity. When someone is in need they make the choice to ask for help. No one forces anyone to ask anyone for help. It takes great courage for someone to ask for help and not be turned away. When they see how warm and welcoming the giver is it takes away FEAR. Fear of being rejected. If anything they are building confidence. Sooner or later they will realize that it doesn't hurt to try to get help or Ask for help because at that point they have nothing to loose but to gain.
The receiver does not need to comply to anything but use the resources that they were given. Because someone is needy does not mean that they have no intentions of achieving anything. If I ask to borrow a 100 to buy food my goal is obviously not to be hungry. If I ask to borrow 50 dollars to pay for my school books from a relative, my goals is to get an education. I want an education so I can achieve something in life.
Desperation is what cause people to ask for help, Pity is having sorrow, sadness and sorrow for others. Pity is a good thing. Without Pity a giving heart would not exist. If I ask for help I would want the person I am asking to have pity. Desperate for help, the victims from last years tsunami looked to the US and other countries for pity.
Giving short term is great and giving long term is even better. Long term giving is giving that occurs all over and not to only one individual. It is available when someone is in need. There are also groups that teach people to regain their independence and stability in life. There are non-profit organization like Goodwill that provide job training, and placement for individuals who need it free of charge. One cannot depend on a system forever. Resources are usually limited and that is why donations from the public are needed. Most systems have limits to ensure that others who need help get the same help also to be fair. That is why the system is there to help all over.
Something that is organized and that has structure is more likely to succeed that is why it is organized. Anything that is not organized is more likely to fail.
Desperation is what cause people to ask for help, Pity is having sorrow, sadness and sorrow for others. Pity is a good thing. Without Pity a giving heart would not exist. If I ask for help I would want the person I am asking to have pity. Desperate for help, the victims from last years tsunami looked to the US and other countries for pity.
Giving short term is great and giving long term is even better. Long term giving is giving that occurs all over and not to only one individual. It is available when someone is in need. There are also groups that teach people to regain their independence and stability in life. There are non-profit organization like Goodwill that provide job training, and placement for individuals who need it free of charge. One cannot depend on a system forever. Resources are usually limited and that is why donations from the public are needed. Most systems have limits to ensure that others who need help get the same help also to be fair. That is why the system is there to help all over.
Something that is organized and that has structure is more likely to succeed that is why it is organized. Anything that is not organized is more likely to fail.
Since it is so hard to have a paper trail on funds, you cannot really assume funds are being drifted into bank accounts alone. Most organizations are set up so that they have funds to pay their employees. Funds can be used to pay staff. A lot of organizations tend to ask for volunteers that are fortunate enough to work without pay and give their time to help making it better to avoid false accusations about the wrongful distribution of funds. When I see the The Red Cross, food for the poor, and other none-profit organization on the scene providing disaster relief, helping family's in the community and anything else good that they do, I know that the money it took to provide those resources did not grow on trees. It came from organizations, groups, individuals and people that wanted to help. Some founders of organization even have other outside income that are not related to their organization that they use for personal needs and also to help the organization.
Posted by DamnataPosted by duchessedenemoursPosted by Damnata
You can always find a solution to indulge in a hobby you have. Being disabled will not take away from that and it's an insult to assume it is.
But in order for them to be self sufficient they need resources, no?
We all need resources and we find ways to get them ourselves. If we cannot, the first pillar of strength with us lies in our families..not in society as large and the system for charity.click to expand
what if your families does not have it. What if your family is poor. Then you and your families will have to rely on the system and charities for help. That is what they are their for, to Help. You are destructing your self and the situation even more when you receive no help and also refuse.
The expression, "One man's trash is another man's treasure", still stands true. Just because something is no longer valuable to someone does Not mean that it is not valuable to another person. Giving of clothes, caned food, furniture, household items and anything that is good to the less fortunate is constructive and does more good. Not to mention it also frees up the space in your house which is also good. : D. There are a lot of families which have lost their jobs and spouses which rely on charity giving to get back on their feet. Charity Cars help provide cars to those families so they can have reliable transportation to work (so they no longer have to be running late waiting on the city bus), school and any where else that would be difficult for them to travel if they had not received a car.
http://www.800charitycars.org/
http://www.800charitycars.org/
Posted by MadameDeScruffsalot
Uhh...I just remembered I have to...umm...wake my cat up and feed her or something...
So like, Damnata you got that 3 page novel up there ^ Aqualove posted, right?
#lefuck
I didn't know cat's could read..lol....You should be just about ready for bed now..that was your bed time story.
The giving of resources does more good than harm. Never think that your help is not need and never believe that one day you will not need help yourself. For example, Natural disasters occur unexpectedly all around us, here in the US and in other countries. To name 3, Hurricane Katrina, The Earthquake in Hattie, and the Philippines Typhoon. Picture yourself as being a victim. By making donations of whatever you can give, you are helping. The Red Cross, Salvation Army, Food for the poor etc helps provide food, shelter, clothes, medicine and the things that are needed. Not to mention the donation of BLOOD that is needed to save lives. Wouldn't you want someone to give you blood to save your life?The mudslide that happened recently in Washington with Amanda Skorjanc and her 5 month old baby who both were dragged along with the mud, received letters, cards and DONATIONS from all over. She has two broken legs and a broken arm amongst other issues.
The giving of charity is constructive because it can help saves lives. HIV/AIDS has been one of the largest epidemics to hit the US and also countries like Zimbabwe. Resources that have been give are condoms and education to help stop the spread of HIV. Condoms are available FREE of charge to the public at Health Departments, some doctors offices, community organizations and outreach and events focused on our youth. Every year the Flowers Heritage Foundation gives away 1 million condoms which are divided out to Bureau of HIV/AIDS Prevention located here in Miami (Florida being one of the highest rated for HIV contamination) and other others to make available within communities and also in Zimbabwe.The United Nations Children's Fund works together with other organizations to provide free teaching to educate teachers in Zimbabwe so that they can educate their young people about HIV/AIDS. Many of us have seen them on TV comercial's. Little children, crying, hungry and scarred. Below is a link to the United Nations Children Fund. I am encouraging everyone after reading this to go and donate 50 cents to help save a child's life, so that they can have clean water to drink, food to eat, and a shelter over their head.
http://www.unicefusa.org/
http://www.unicefusa.org/
Posted by aquariuslove14
To respond to Damnata argument on page 4
Posted by StoicGoat
I don't think it would do to have the teams arguing over the definition of "charity". For the purpose of the debate, charity shall be defined as, "the giving of money, food, or other resources to those less fortunate than the giver."
^^^^^^There maybe a number of definition for charity but for this debate only this definition will stand
^^I wasn't dismissing Stoic??s definition. I was referencing the common ground for whichever way someone wants to discuss the concept of charity.
Posted by aquariuslove14
When any individual, group or organization gives they are giving because there is a NEED. All giving is not done because someone wants to feel good about themselves. It is called having a conscious.click to expand
^^^There are all kinds of needs in society, not only social ones. If you??re addressing only one need and bringing morality into it, you??re not covering all the grounds.
To put it otherwise: The conscious you speak of derives from morality, which is always relative. The values we have in society were enforced by society??_the conscience you speak of is merely a product of programming. Nevertheless, the driving force underneath it is more often than not rooted in ego. You appeal to your conscience and your values of right and wrong to validate your reasoning and your emotions. It is tied into that and not into some abstract concept of morality. You do it because it validates you and gives you satisfaction.
Posted by aquariuslove14
Why see someone in need and not help? For example, You are in the check out line at a grocery story, and the man/woman in front of you is short 5 dollar which the obviously don't have. They instructed the cashier to put back an item valued the same amount. I know that I have an extra 5 dollars. Me feeling bad for them can say "here, I can give you 5 dollars" just out of the simple kindness out of my heart. Yes it is true I will fee good that I just did that because I saw a need and I helped but the person who benefits the most is the receiver not the giver.
^^^Yes, you feel good and you do it to feel good. It doesn't involve the other person at all, which was what my point was all about. Even if we run with your scenario..it further proves why it's wrong to have this approach. You are enabling someone to make the bad choice and not give up on an item (since you priced it at 5 $ it wasn't that important and you mentioned it wasn't the only item they bought)..therefore they will not know how to make choices and will learn to rely on other to help them. It caters to the short term whims, like I said and it brings no value to the bigger picture.
Posted by aquariuslove14
No one is forced to give anything. It is our conscious which tells us to give when we know that we can help. That is the benefit of giving because it helps both the giver and receiver. When you see someone in need that you can help and do not help that is when it is destructive because you did not help and you have to live with your conscious and sleepless nights.click to expand
^^^This is your assumption that if you do not give, you??ll feel bad and have sleepless nights. Already addressed the part with the conscious.
It's exactly this mindset that is enforced on us —if you do not give, you are a bad person?? that's the root of my statement about selfless giving. It isn't selfless, it's done in the purpose of feeling good. Selfless giving is tied to the receiver and not to the sender. The purpose of it would be for the receiver to gain something from it, even if the sender wouldn't gain anything. By your statement..the only reason we give is to feel good about ourselves??_which is something I agree with. Charity isn't about ourselves, it's about the other person.
. By making it about ourselves, it isn't charity at all.
^^^
This part of your argument appeals to the soul and not to logic. You are assuming it takes great courage to ask for help. I am stating it is way easier to ask for help than getting on your feet and providing for yourself. You??re giving people the means to enable themselves to keep depending on others and it fosters dependency. Independence and autonomy and will ??_all dictate you should do for yourself. You are not empowering yourself but being dependant on others to for you. Your situation is one of the few scenarios where someone who??s naturally capable and able has to rely on society??s help. An evolved soul will do this for short term, if they even get that. You are not alleviating their fear, you are actually stripping them of their means to help themselves by placing a safety net that should only be used in the worst case scenario. For the majority of people in need of charity, the welfare system only allows them to make more bad choices, without ever taking responsibility for any.
Posted by aquariuslove14
The receiver is not stripped of their dignity. When someone is in need they make the choice to ask for help. No one forces anyone to ask anyone for help. It takes great courage for someone to ask for help and not be turned away. When they see how warm and welcoming the giver is it takes away FEAR. Fear of being rejected. If anything they are building confidence. Sooner or later they will realize that it doesn't hurt to try to get help or Ask for help because at that point they have nothing to loose but to gain.
^^^
This part of your argument appeals to the soul and not to logic. You are assuming it takes great courage to ask for help. I am stating it is way easier to ask for help than getting on your feet and providing for yourself. You??re giving people the means to enable themselves to keep depending on others and it fosters dependency. Independence and autonomy and will ??_all dictate you should do for yourself. You are not empowering yourself but being dependant on others to for you. Your situation is one of the few scenarios where someone who??s naturally capable and able has to rely on society??s help. An evolved soul will do this for short term, if they even get that. You are not alleviating their fear, you are actually stripping them of their means to help themselves by placing a safety net that should only be used in the worst case scenario. For the majority of people in need of charity, the welfare system only allows them to make more bad choices, without ever taking responsibility for any.
Posted by aquariuslove14
The receiver does not need to comply to anything but use the resources that they were given. Because someone is needy does not mean that they have no intentions of achieving anything. If I ask to borrow a 100 to buy food my goal is obviously not to be hungry. If I ask to borrow 50 dollars to pay for my school books from a relative, my goals is to get an education. I want an education so I can achieve something in life.
^^^If you ask me 50 dollars to buy food, I will ask you why you don't have a job. If we??re talking education, I??ll ask you about contracting a loan. People always take the easy way out and rely on others and this shouldn't be encouraged further. Notice how it's centered around your immediate wants and needs, without thinking of the consequences for your actions. People who do that never bring up a payment plan back because they assume they don't have to give back anything, since you took pity on them.
Posted by aquariuslove14
Desperation is what cause people to ask for help, Pity is having sorrow, sadness and sorrow for others. Pity is a good thing. Without Pity a giving heart would not exist. If I ask for help I would want the person I am asking to have pity. Desperate for help, the victims from last years tsunami looked to the US and other countries for pity.click to expand
^^^ I see where you are going with this. This scenario happened because authorities weren't competent enough to deal with the crisis. Let's not mistake charity for competency. If the latter was in place there would??ve been no need from any other kind of help. You cannot enforce the point of charity in this because there was no plan to help these people. If there had been one, that wouldn't have been charitable because it would deal with an extraordinary situation such as a natural disaster. There are plans and procedures into place for this type of scenario.
Posted by aquariuslove14
Giving short term is great and giving long term is even better. Long term giving is giving that occurs all over and not to only one individual. It is available when someone is in need. There are also groups that teach people to regain their independence and stability in life. There are non-profit organization like Goodwill that provide job training, and placement for individuals who need it free of charge. One cannot depend on a system forever. Resources are usually limited and that is why donations from the public are needed. Most systems have limits to ensure that others who need help get the same help also to be fair. That is why the system is there to help all over.
Something that is organized and that has structure is more likely to succeed that is why it is organized. Anything that is not organized is more likely to fail.
^^^Long term giving can be directed towards one individual only. It doesn't have to cater to a mass of people. One should never depend on a system at all at any point. Nothing anyone will teach you will stick if you don't already have the mentality into place. And you achieve that by helping yourself and working for yourself, for improvement. You don't achieve that by looking to the outside world for help. It sets the precedence to rely on others and it's manipulative. It creates the expectation of help despite any odds. And it takes funds from society, funds better used in creating jobs.
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Does she deserve jail time/have her children taken or do you think she deserves a 2nd chance? This story is heartbrea
Downy Dryer Sheets, if you have not already done so, please extend a warm welcome to your newest team member, Duchessede
The Twins.
So this weekend my son was at a friends and my daughter was with her mother. I don't get many nights kid free so I deci
Is tinychat still on? :)
So I tried to get back to the first Vocaroo topic but the audio files are no longer available. Share your voice? :D
Audience: Use the survey link below to cast your vote for which of the Air Heads to move to the Downy Dryer Sheet—s
The current teams are below:
The Air Heads
Aquariouslove14
Aquasnoz
Duchessedenemours
The Downy Dryer Sheets
Damnata
Getmisted
Scruffy/Madamedescruffsalot
Theladyscorpio
As with the last debate, the teams will be debating opposite sides of the same topic. You will be permitted to choose your side, but you must choose before the topic is revealed. The first team member posting his/her preference will claim it for his/her team. The opposing team's position will be assigned by default. Your choices are: destructive or constructive.