DXp Survivor 2014 Part VII

This topic was created in the Miscellaneous forum by StoicGoat on Tuesday, April 15, 2014 and has 86 replies.
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Survivors, your teams have been disbanded. In this debate, you are charged to make your argument for which pet you think is best. The first person to post a given pet will own it. As usual, the winner will be that player who best argues why the pet they has chosen is better than the other players?? chosen pets, defends their choice against attack, weakens their opponents?? arguments, and supports their own choice with logical and/or empirical evidence. For the purpose of this debate, a ???pet?? shall be defined as ???any animal kept by humans for companionship and/or pleasure rather than utility.??
I am having some difficulty imagining how anyone could reasonably bring law into this debate, but just in case someone figures it out, know that any arguments and attacks predicated upon such will be ignored when the debate is judged.
If there are any questions, ask away. The debate will start in roughly one hour.
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parrot
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500 internal server errors later... -.-
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lol..Judge can you change your mind if you want as long as no one owns it....
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Nope. You're stuck with the birdy!
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Cat.
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I have a question:
How long will this debate last?
One player is crowned victor and the rest have to vote someone off?
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The winner of the debate will receive the points for that win. A challenge will follow, the winner of which will have immunity in the vote that follows.
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It will last until one of you cries uncle...or 24 hours just like the others.
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Posted by StoicGoat
The winner of the debate will receive the points for that win. A challenge will follow, the winner of which will have immunity in the vote that follows.


So just the points. Not immunity also, correct?
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Posted by StoicGoat
It will last until one of you cries uncle...or 24 hours just like the others.


Well so far the one with the parrot will because they can learn words.
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Posted by Damnata
Posted by StoicGoat
The winner of the debate will receive the points for that win. A challenge will follow, the winner of which will have immunity in the vote that follows.


So just the points. Not immunity also, correct?
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Correct. The immunity challenges and votes remain separate from the debates.
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Posted by Damnata
Posted by StoicGoat
It will last until one of you cries uncle...or 24 hours just like the others.


Well so far the one with the parrot will because they can learn words.
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Big Grin
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I don't even know why we need this debate, I already picked the best pet.
Anyway..
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Posted by GetMisted
What happens if there is a tie vote?

Then the players will be fitted with appropriate kick boxing gear and thrown into the cage. Last (wo)man standing decides who leaves.
I'm still thinking about that. I'll figure it out before the challenge. I may throw some ideas out for feedback. Feel free to suggest your own, too.
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I say each posts a picture with their actual pet and who has the best, is the tie breaker.
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Posted by Damnata
I don't even know why we need this debate, I already picked the best pet.
Anyway..

I was really hoping someone would choose a rodent.
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Thank you for giving ideas to my opponents, Judge.
Why must you be so unfair?
One photo of those...creatures and I'm out of this topic.
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Posted by Damnata
Posted by StoicGoat
It will last until one of you cries uncle...or 24 hours just like the others.


Well so far the one with the parrot will because they can learn words.
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right now my parrot is saying....shut the hell up
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Posted by aquariuslove14
Posted by Damnata
Posted by StoicGoat
It will last until one of you cries uncle...or 24 hours just like the others.


Well so far the one with the parrot will because they can learn words.


right now my parrot is saying....shut the hell up
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You do realize it's a bird and I have a cat right?
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Nothing wrong with needing to think on your fins.
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Posted by duchessedenemours
Can we have a no link rule? Because people like to use other peoples opinions and works as their own a argument rather than coming up with their own.

Please define "no link."
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To survive, you must adapt. I believe a gentleman by the name of Darwin published some theory dealing with this very issue.
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Posted by StoicGoat
To survive, you must adapt. I believe a gentleman by the name of Darwin published some theory dealing with this very issue.


I wonder if the beluga know Darwin's stance on tortoises..
The motherfucker was obsessed with eating one animal in each species so he found these tortugas and took them on board to get to England. There were like 40 of them..and he ate them all on the way back. He said nothing tasted better in his lie. An entire species gone..just like that.
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Posted by duchessedenemours
Can we have a no link rule? Because people like to use other peoples opinions and works as their own a argument rather than coming up with their own.


I think she means that, for example, if you say apples stink...I cant also say apples stink and turn it into my own argument...I have to find something else negative to say about apples because that was your idea first.

I could be wrong...?
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Posted by Damnata
Posted by StoicGoat
To survive, you must adapt. I believe a gentleman by the name of Darwin published some theory dealing with this very issue.


I wonder if the beluga know Darwin's stance on tortoises..
The motherfucker was obsessed with eating one animal in each species so he found these tortugas and took them on board to get to England. There were like 40 of them..and he ate them all on the way back. He said nothing tasted better in his lie. An entire species gone..just like that.
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The menu for his return voyage did not directly cause their extinction. It was the fact that all of the other sailors realized his was a great idea that ultimately led to that.
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Posted by aquariuslove14
Posted by duchessedenemours
Can we have a no link rule? Because people like to use other peoples opinions and works as their own a argument rather than coming up with their own.


I think she means that, for example, if you say apples stink...I cant also say apples stink and turn it into my own argument...I have to find something else negative to say about apples because that was your idea first.

I could be wrong...?
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She is apparently not going to clarify for us. Links to sources are required for empirical evidence. Note that only that portion of the source material posted in the thread will be considered when judging the debate.
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Posted by StoicGoat
Posted by Damnata
Posted by StoicGoat
To survive, you must adapt. I believe a gentleman by the name of Darwin published some theory dealing with this very issue.


I wonder if the beluga know Darwin's stance on tortoises..
The motherfucker was obsessed with eating one animal in each species so he found these tortugas and took them on board to get to England. There were like 40 of them..and he ate them all on the way back. He said nothing tasted better in his lie. An entire species gone..just like that.

The menu for his return voyage did not directly cause their extinction. It was the fact that all of the other sailors realized his was a great idea that ultimately led to that.
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It did start with the glutton though. Wish se7en happened sooner.
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The last post that will be considered part of the debate will be posted 23 hours, 59 minutes, 59 seconds after the time stamp on this post. Good luck!
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Posted by Damnata
Posted by StoicGoat
Posted by Damnata
Posted by StoicGoat
To survive, you must adapt. I believe a gentleman by the name of Darwin published some theory dealing with this very issue.


I wonder if the beluga know Darwin's stance on tortoises..
The motherfucker was obsessed with eating one animal in each species so he found these tortugas and took them on board to get to England. There were like 40 of them..and he ate them all on the way back. He said nothing tasted better in his lie. An entire species gone..just like that.

The menu for his return voyage did not directly cause their extinction. It was the fact that all of the other sailors realized his was a great idea that ultimately led to that.


It did start with the glutton though. Wish se7en happened sooner.
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Gluttony is one of the se7en deadly sins for a reason.
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Un cheval, s'il vous pla?t.
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Posted by MadameDeScruffsalot
Oh and your pet turtle needs a penis in order to multiply.
Good night to you and your pet.


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Good move on using a goat, bet the judge is gonna love that Big Grin
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I don??t even know why I am typing this because I should win by default. Cats don??t need my lazy ass to debate their awesomeness.
I also think we shouldn??t have been allowed to pick an animal we don??t own so..I??m curious about the goat and the horse lol.
Cats are awesome.
Let??s look at the approaches people have concerning life. We all get emotionally involved and the strongest type of emotional involvement happens in a relationship. I??ll illustrate those pesky pets according to that:
Parrot ??? Ever imagined living a life where the partner talks nonstop? That??s not good for you
Goat ??? Ever imagine a life with a partner who has ADD? (We had some goats, I know what I am talking about)? That??s not good for you.
Horse ??? Ever imagined a life where your partner keeps running away from you? That??s not good for you
Tortoise ??? Ever imagined a life where the partner is so boring to the point you don??t even realize they??re in the room with you? That??s not good for you.
Dog ??? Have you imagined a life where your partner is a stage 5 clinger, laughs at your jokes and drools on your carpet? That??s not good for you.
Cat ??? Have you imagined a life where your partner is self-sufficient? Someone who will grant you your space but will be around you to hug you when you least expect it? That??s awesome and that??s good for you.
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Still not convinced? What??s wrong with you people.
Ok let??s go back in history and understand what cats are all about.
Ancient Egypt
???Praised for controlling vermin and its ability to kill snakes such as cobras, the domesticated cat became a symbol of grace and poise. The goddess Mafdet, the deification of justice and execution, was a lion-headed goddess. The cat goddess Bast (also known as Bastet) eventually replaced the cult of Mafdet, and Bast's image softened over time and she became the deity representing protection, fertility, and motherhood.??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cats_in_ancient_Egypt
As you can see, ever since they arrived on the scene, cats were closely tied to motherhood and the image of the woman. It spanned across all cultures and civilization. This is proof they struck a chord within people so you can either hate them or be obsessed with them. No other animal polarizes the general opinion that much.
Celtic symbol:
???As an ancient symbolic Celtic animal, the cat represents the guardian of the Otherworld (or Underworld, depending which texts you read from various regions). Stoic, silent and mysterious, cats fit the bill of Otherworld guardians quite well. They keep the secrets of the Otherworld eternally to themselves, as they gaze with guile upon a world that does not see or understand the depth of their knowledge.??
http://www.whats-your-sign.com/cat-animal-symbolism.html
Not going to bore you folks with other symbolism links or links in general. *glares at the beluga*
Suffice to say this animal had the greatest impact on society and in that way, people identify with them a lot. It even went into sexual lingo, as the moist emblem of lady parts..entertwined sexuality and motherhood.
A huge point for these fluffy fellows is that they are so popular as pets, the owners cannot help themselves but take videos and pics. No other animal has so much stock in Internet presence. Gifs and videos and songs and pictures..all of them brighten our day and there??s a strong demand for it.
Some even made their way online to post on DXP (CluelessCancer, Scruffy, Wynter, Montgomery, MoonArtist and others I surely forget.). Such is the power of felines.
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Now unto my pet and cats in general.
1)It??s important to be able to carry your pet around in your travels. Parrots and dogs make a lot of noise, horses and goats won??t work.
2)It??s also important for a pet to have room to unwind..and you always need to take a dog out. Or have a backyard for the horse and goat. You can easily entertain a cat indoors, no matter how small your living quarters are.
3)If you live on an upper floor and your pet clumsily falls, it??s dead. My cat will survive. I can make that point against the tortoise because when my turtle fell off the window, it didn??t survive.
4)This is one animal who will kill rodents and bring dead birds to you because they think you cannot feed yourself. They care about you a lot.
5)On the age argument..Cats have nine lives so I??m not sure why you people were debating that.
6)One in four American households has a cat in it at the moment. As a dog lover you might disagree but statistics don??t lie.
7)Cat urine glows in the dark. No more stubbing your toes on furniture when you go to the bathroom at night.
8)Isaac Newton invented the cat door. It was that important to have one, Newton had to invent it.
9)Cats sleep a lot. This is not an animal who needs you to take care of them and entertain them all the time. It will leave you time for your hobbies.
10)If it hadn??t been for cats, Tesla wouldn??t have gotten into electricity. He was inspired after he was being shocked by static electricity from his cat, Macak (see how cat owners are funny and give their pets awesome names? You want to be as funny, admit it. So just go there and get yourself a cat)
11)Cats run at 30 miles an hour. To paint a picture, Usain Bolt who??s the record holder only runs at 27.
12)Cats can pick up on your moods. Most people cannot. This is the original reasoning for the cat lady. No man could win against a cat in understanding moods.
13)For further understanding of the awesomeness of cats I will recommend the Garfield comics.
I rest my case.
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^^^People love their pets more than they love fleeting relationships. The attachments formed are almost unconditional. Kids come first though.
The fact that you use "subjugation" and "reliant upon humans" tells me you're a dog love who doesn't really get cats.
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Posted by duchessedenemours
1) Dogs can fly, travel in cars, etc just as easily as a cat.


^^Not really, you'd need a pet carrier for that and a spacious car.
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2) All animals need exercise, even if cats need less room, they need to be played with indoors.


^^^Yes, I wasn't discussing playing with them. It's easier to play indoors than outdoors and dogs need to run a lot. With a cat, she'll find most things amusing and she'd be easily distracted. Keeping a dog in will only make him restless.
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3) Most dogs cannot jump out of windows. Windows can also be safely secured.


^^^They can fall. When I had the turtle it simply fell. So if it's raining cats and dogs..there will be a lot of dogs on the other side as opposed to cats. I cannot take the risk with my beloved pet since most of us live in apartment blocks.
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4) Then you have to clean up dead animals.


^^^Better doing that than living with rodents. The reason the black death swept through Europe was that the cats were seens as a black omen and exterminated back then. At the moment the plague broke out, there were few cats. There are studies on this and how important it would've been to have more cats.
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5) 9 near death experiences, you mean.


^^Yes. Not even people can have that many.
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6) According to the Humane Society 47 percent???Percentage of households that own at least one dog
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There are approximately 68 million owned dogs in the United States.
There are approximately 73 million owned cats in the United States.
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Posted by duchessedenemours
8) Doesn't relate to a cat's pet value.


^^^Of course it does. Why would Sir Newton think of that if he didn't have a beloved Snuffles to care for? Scientists are smart and they were all about cats.
Posted by duchessedenemours9) There is less bonding if a cat is independent. Again, litter boxes are hellish and require daily cleaning. Grooming is also more difficult and involved.


^^^Grooming is way harder on a dog. Litter boxes are simple and they'll just go do their thing. You don't have to always go out with your pet. Not to mention cats clean themselves, which is something dogs can't do.
Posted by duchessedenemours10) Again, this point doesn't add to the value of pet ownership.


^^^It does, since we have electricity to thank for. Had cats not been domesticated who know how much time would've passed?
Posted by duchessedenemours11) Greyhounds can run up to 43 mph according to ScienceDaily.


^^^You cannot compare the muscle mass on the two. That's why cats are this awesome. For their frame 30 miles is an amazing feat.
Posted by duchessedenemours12) Dogs can sense emotional changes and dogs are used for therapy. They can improve physical and emotional symptoms of illness. Benefits are such as shown here:
from a study done by Therapy Dogs International: http://www.tdi-dog.org/About.aspx?Page=Media+Kit


^^^Yes but dogs have to be trained to be used for therapy. Cats do a lot of this instinctively.
Posted by duchessedenemours13) Garfield's owner is constantly dissatisfied and caused harm and needless troubles by Garfield which is the set up for the whole cartoon.
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^^^The whole point of the comic is how awesome and self sufficient Garfield is and how idiotic Odie is. It antagonizes the 2 and Garfield comes on top.
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Posted by Damnata
^^^People love their pets more than they love fleeting relationships. The attachments formed are almost unconditional. Kids come first though.
The fact that you use "subjugation" and "reliant upon humans" tells me you're a dog love who doesn't really get cats.



I have both cats and dogs. Dogs however benefit me more than cats.
Pet's definition: a domesticated animal kept for pleasure rather than utility
Domesticate definition: to tame (an animal), especially by generations of breeding, to live in close association with human beings as a pet or work animal and usually creating a dependency so that the animal loses its ability to live in the wild.
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pleasure is the key word.
Every pet will benefit in some way. My point was cats don't adhere to subjugation at all. They're independent.
The bonding between humans and their animals give them great pleasure.
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http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/canine-corner/201305/the-truth-about-cats-and-dogs-the-numbers
This site supports my statistic about the number of dog lovers vs cats:
"The first thing to note is that there are more cats can dogs in the U.S., with 86 million owned cats compared to 78 million owned dogs. However there is a quirk here, since 39% of all American households own a dog compared to 33% of American households with cats. The reason is that cat people like higher numbers with 52% owning more than one cat, as compared to dog owners where only 40% own more than one dog."
"In general cats are more likely to be spayed or neutered (88% ) compared to dogs (78% )."
"When it comes to furniture privileges, cats seem to come out winners since in 70% of their households, the cats are allowed to lie on the furniture compared to only 40% of dogs who have similar permission. Furthermore in 65% of cat-owning households, the cats are permitted to sleep at night on some family member's bed compared with 39% of dogs."
^^^On littering and general messiness cats again come on top. It's because they are extremely clean and don't droll as much as dogs do.
"One last statistic of interest is that the amount of money spent on cat treats is well in excess of $ 100 million a year, and while this seems like an astonishing figure it is tiny compared to the more than $ 1 billion a year that is spent on the dog treats."
^^^If you want to be a responsable owner, you need to go for a pet where you know you'll have the money to take care of it. Cats are extremely low maintenance compared to dogs.
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These are my reason why cats are not the best pet to have around. I know this personally because I have fostered kittens with there mother and I have also adopted 3 out that litter. To make a long story short, and this is the truth, I ended up surrendering them back to the animal shelter. I absolutely loved them and it was the hardest thing to do but I had to do it. Below are reasons why cats are not the best pets and there are two websites below
1. Cats shed hair-Cats will shed hair all over your house and it is just about impossible to get rid of it..they even get hairballs and spit it out all of the place. Soon hair will be flying in your food and you will be spitting up hair also.
2. Cats scratch your furniture up and tear up everything you have- You will end up spending more money to replace furniture. God help you if you have leather in your home. Putting big blankets over your furniture wont help either because they will tear it off with their nails. Don't even bother getting your cat declawed because it is expensive, and causes severe pain and health problems not to mention infections. Basically you are amputating a bone and if you love your pet you would never do this.
3. Cats stink and they dont like taking baths. Don't rely on them to lick themselves and clean themselves.
4. Cats Jump up all over the place and walk every where after they have walked around in poop from their litter box. It is also bad for you to inhale all those feces while cleaning their litter box.
5.Cats duck of in your closet and when you are gone they tear up your clothes and swing around like spider man/spider woman. lol
6. Cats scratch you all the time leaving you with scars for life.
7. Cats do not allow you get on DXP in one piece without walking all over your keyboard and they chase the mouse arrow on the screen while you are trying to read comments.
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8. Cats are curious. I remember keeping all the kittens in my second room. They would peep out but were always to scared to exit the room. Finally they were convinced it was safe to come out because of course they saw me enter and exit without any harm. With that said. When cats will watch you leave home and come back everyday until one day why you open the front door they will run out as fast as they can because they want to live in the wild and find new things and adventures leaving you with a broken heart and attached feels and money gone down the drain. When I finally allowed my cats to enjoy the house, at the age of 4 months they were already peeping out the front door.
9. Cats are very expensive and you cannot just feed them whatever
10. They pee every where and your place will be stink once they get older.
11. Cats are very affectionate and they will cling to you and leave you feeling guilty anytime you leave them home alone causing you emotional strains everyday.
12. Cats have lots of energy that they need to burn off and end up jumping everywhere and breaking things. You will have to compromise with your cat and neglect yourself of household items that you would normally love to have. They will break you most treasured items. They cause you to get angry..who want to be angry?
13. You cannot control you cat from what they want to do
below are a few websites from people who have cats and had some of these same issues...two of them are really funny smile
http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2011/11/15/declawing-torture-cats.aspx
 http://www.thecatsite.com/t/31289/cats-breaking-stuff
 http://www.catforum.com/forum/37-behavior/150282-cats-wont-stop-getting-into-breaking-things.html
 http://www.buzzfeed.com/erinlarosa/27-reasons-why-you-should-not-get-a-cat
 http://news.distractify.com/people/personal/agonizing-struggles-that-prove-cat-owners-are-the-best-people-ever/

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Posted by duchessedenemoursThere are many different kinds of dog carriers and car fences and most dogs are can fit in a 5 seat car.


^Yes but it??s a greater shift in size in dogs than in cats. So in the interest of utility, you can always find a carrier for a cat.
Posted by duchessedenemoursDogs exercise quotient depends on breed and size. Again, it helps the owner be more healthy to walk a dog.


^^^This is via an assumption that it??s the only thing in their life that keeps them healthy (the owners). It??s way easier to work my schedule around having a cat because I don??t have to take her out and walk her. I can include a lot of sports in that. And I walk Kek on a leash a lot Big Grin

Posted by duchessedenemoursCats can still die and be injured from falls, and it's actually more dangerous in lower floor numbers.


^^Only in lower floor numbers and way less than dogs. Dogs will get injured every time.
Posted by duchessedenemoursThe black plague wasn't caused by the killing of cats. There are also other means of disposing of rodents that are more humane.


^^I never said that. I said that once the outbreak began it spread more quickly because of that. There weren??t other means of disposing of rodents that were more humane back then. And even now, it??s way cheaper and cost effective to have a cat to get rid of rodents.
Posted by duchessedenemoursHow do you measure that scientifically?
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^^I don??t. I think we are allowed to bring any argument, even if it??s not backed up by science. This is a debate about our pets. I didn??t see scientific explanation to your arguments on dogs. I think you also went along with the fact that some are common knowledge.
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Posted by GetMisted
Basically, your arguement is that the goat is the best pet because it feeds people. That is not a pet, it is livestock.
Case closed.


You have referred to your pet turtle as being a male, yet you have failed to provide evidence your pet turtle has a penis like you were challenged to do so. That is not a pet, it is a mutant. Can be watched on tv in the form of a cartoon, can be played with in the form of a toy, but it cannot be a pet no matter how much you love your mutant turtle.


Case closed.
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Joke of the night...Mutant....Got to love those turtles..
Goodnight!!!
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Posted by duchessedenemours Most cats owners own multiple cats, therefore dogs provide more satisfaction than cats.


^^^That??s a wrong deduction. More people own more than one pet because they love that pet and want to get him buddies to play with.
Posted by duchessedenemours There is no correlation between his genius and the cat door.


^^^Never said there was one. I said there was a necessity for it to be invented which correlates to how popular cats are.
Posted by duchessedenemours Have you ever tried to give a cat a bath? If you have an outdoor cat, they can't clean enough. .


^^I am going to assume this plays off the stereotype of cats acting frantic? Yes, I have and she doesn??t freak out. Even if she did, it??s over in minutes. It takes more time to bathe a dog and it has to be done a lot, especially if it lives with you and sleeps in your bed.
Posted by duchessedenemours Still no direct correlation.


^^Still no humor.
Posted by duchessedenemours If it cannot compare to other animals, how is it relevant? Greyhounds are not particular big or meaty animals to begin with.


^^^Because it showcases a level of skill that isn??t readily available in a species. It emphasizes their abilities.
Posted by duchessedenemours Evidence?
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http://www.catscenterstage.com/therapy-cat4.shtml
???Many studies have shown that having a cat can calm nerves, lower blood pressure, help prevent and treat cardiovascular disease, cancer and chronic pain, strengthen the immune system and even help you live longer.??
^^This in general. I wasn??t arguing against dogs not being used in therapy, but cats are also. And dogs will always pose a risk with working with elders and children. If you??re lucky, no accidents will occur but I wouldn??t risk it. I??ve seen cases with docile dogs who just snapped in one moment.
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Posted by duchessedenemours The comic has an unreliable narrator in the form of Garfield, therefore Odie isn't necessarily as dumb as portrayed. It's the cat perception. His self sufficiency is stressful for the human and therefore adds nothing.


^^The comic is being narrated from an objective standpoint. It isn??t the owner??s opinion, or Odie or Garfield. It naturally showcases the dynamic between dogs and cats.

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Posted by duchessedenemours
Pleasure refers to human pleasure, not the animals.


I am of the mindset that owning a pet bring mutual pleasure. My point was about how closely tied these relationships are.
People don??t go for benefit when they choose pets, they go for the pleasure they have in having them in their lives. It??s one bond that forms that is tough to break..and it would be easy to if it only followed some rational process and not an emotional one. It??s the companionship they??re after because at the end of the day, this thing is more genuine than most human-human interactions.
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