HATE

Warning: This thread is a true downer.

What would you say if I were to tell you that not everyone involved in the slave trade was a barbarian?

That the branding, the whipping, the throwing of sick slaves overboard, the locks used to hold slaves mouths shut - all of that were terrible side-effects of one person's original idea?

Because it takes un-natural, pure hatred to travel to an unexplored destination, study a people and then pluck them from their homes to live in conditions you wouldn't even let their PET DOG live through. Right?

I'm talking before anyone was like "Hey, let's jump on a boat and go to the Dark Continent!"

Before anyone ever even called it that: you can't hate what you can't even fathom, can you?

And how about the Holocaust? When you get down to it, what did the '40s Jews ever do to anyone to deserve THAT?

The Native Americans? People fight for the survival of some endangered species right NOW. So how could some be okay with making a group of PEOPLE extinct then?

Anyone hate gay people on here? So they fuck with other boys - what does that have to do with YOU?

Where does hate come from? Really?

I think some of the stuff white people do is weird. I honestly do. Working a nine to five only to piss it all out during the weekend (British work culture) sounds super depressing to me.

Most British people's teeth are "wonky" and a lot of white people (Pols, Germans, British) smell funny.

Their skin is pale and pasty and unattractive. Plus a lot of 'em smoke, which is a killer for the none smokers:

Doesn't mean I think they should all be dead, though...

So what. the. fuck.

How can someone muster so much hatred in such a short time? I'm talking the twelve y/o kids of racist/homophobic/football gang parents?

It can't be fear. The gangs of twenty plus who carried out lynchings weren't afraid of the one "darkie", were they?

Plantation owners weren't afraid their "property" would report them to the authorities, were they? Hell, their "property" didn't even speak the same language! Andlet's not

And to those much older, Hitler didn't seem scared of the Jews to you, did he?

This isn't to point fingers. So don't point fingers. I've said this many times before, if black people thought of colonization first the world would've been a much different place. And English wouldn't be a lot of people's first language.

Are we all just truly evil deep down? Every single one of us human beings?

What is the true motivation behind hatred?

Laziness? A lot of people don't fully understand what they hate, nor do they have the inclination to.

Hating is just easier.

To make yourself feel better for insecurities? When I hate something/someone it doesn't make me feel good. It doesn't make me feel good at all.

What makes people hate?

The devil? Doesn't count for those who aren't religious.

So: what?

Because it's like this Tracy Morgan shit that went down recently some people are comparing it to the things that guy who played Kramer said about those black people and what that fashion designer said to those Jews in the restaraunt.

And all I can think is they're RIGHT to lump Tracy's gay rants into the same category of hate displayed by Kramer and at the same time they're WRONG.

But I don't know WHY.

Wow. It's like, you think about the reasons behind some people's actions and your brain can't even comprehend them as valid.

Why? Why why why why why?

I think ignorance is behind hate and the absence of kindness....love needs to be taught all the time and your never too young to learn.

Ive been reading consolations of philosphy my alain de botton and its pretty good....."the person with sick mind turns to philosopher"

Posted by everevolvingepithet
"What is the true motivation behind hatred?"
Frustration, same reasons for what you're ranting at here.
Which is a good thing, imo. rant away.🙂

Man, I wish. It's not even like I woke up angry this morning.

I boot the computer, the msn page comes up and the headline reads "Tracy Morgan's Something Something Something".

So I do a little investigation and I find out what he said, particularly about what he would do to his son if he came home acting effiminate.

Then i read the comments, particularly about Chris Rock defending his right to say it and stuff and if Chris would defend Kramer Guy's right to say what he did.

And although I agree with that guy's comment I also disagree.

And frustration as a basis for hate is still strange to me:

The Slave-owners, Hitler, and the Pilgrims weren't frustrated. It seems like they just "did what came naturally".

Posted by Rex Smith
I think your trying to make trouble. Hate is for weak people who let other's control their thought's. History is full of shameful thing's. What's important in life is that we learn from the mistake's other people made. Don't for get black people solded their own people down the river to.

Hitler was filled with hate, it could of had a lot to do with the defeat of the first WWI. He was also ashamed of is jewish past. I will say one thing, you never hear jewish people the moaning about the holocost. Black people of today complain about the slavetrade but they had not to do it. I think, black people of today, live in a must better society than those poor people who suffered in the most horrific conditions. History is there to educate us, it's not their to be used against one another.

I'm not trying to make trouble.

Your post is very dismissive. Like I said we're not pointing fingers here.

I don't care if Jews don't moan about the Holocaust or if black people bitch about slavery.

What I care about is WHY some people did the things they did to make history what it is today.

I'll say it again, imagine if black people did the colonizing.

Native Americans can't even bitch about what the pilgrims did!

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Posted by Rex Smith
I think your trying to make trouble. Hate is for weak people who let other's control their thought's. History is full of shameful thing's. What's important in life is that we learn from the mistake's other people made. Don't for get black people solded their own people down the river to.

Hitler was filled with hate, it could of had a lot to do with the defeat of the first WWI. He was also ashamed of is jewish past. I will say one thing, you never hear jewish people the moaning about the holocost. Black people of today complain about the slavetrade but they had not to do it. I think, black people of today, live in a must better society than those poor people who suffered in the most horrific conditions. History is there to educate us, it's not their to be used against one another.

I'm not trying to make trouble.

Your post is very dismissive. Like I said we're not pointing fingers here.

I don't care if Jews don't moan about the Holocaust or if black people bitch about slavery.

What I care about is WHY some people did the things they did to make history what it is today.

I'll say it again, imagine if black people did the colonizing.

Native Americans can't even bitch about what the pilgrims did!

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Not many people seem "educated" even though they have the faintest awareness of the lesson history is still teaching us today.

People seem to just want to HATE.

The question I'm asking you right now is WHY?

Posted by amethyst2002
People hate what they don't understand and what's different. It's a sheep mentality with all that other bs that you mentioned.

With race, it's because they were seen as "lesser" therefore deserved no rights and were to be made slaves. After all, they weren't white, so they were instantly the lesser human beings. Hate what is different and not the norm.

Same applies to homosexuals. People fear it. No, it's not about being able to physically fend off someone, but the fear because they do not understand. Lack of understanding generates fear. "Omg, I don't know why this is this way and it's scuuury!"

Ignorance also breeds fear/hate. Judgments are based off of whatever information they have/are given. If that information is false, then there goes the crazy accusations and viewpoints toward races/sexuality.

What you brought up is very broad though. I doubt there is any one sole reason for hate and it does depend on the issue and individuals involved.

Slavery = a result of greed.

Holocaust = hate by a man who had serious issues and was taking it out on the Jews.

Native Americans = greed.

Racism and homophobia = pure ignorance.

I would hazard that ignorance is what let the trade continue for 2-400 years.

It's what makes people celebrate thanksgiving despite having some knowledge about what it signifies.

Ignorance breeds inaction. The people then couldn't put themselves in the shoes of slaves so didn't speak up.

The whole "You had to be there" argument that spans so many other situations.

Hate on the other hand seems to give people wings. It motivates 'em to do wrong.

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Posted by Rex Smith
I think your trying to make trouble. Hate is for weak people who let other's control their thought's. History is full of shameful thing's. What's important in life is that we learn from the mistake's other people made. Don't for get black people solded their own people down the river to.

Hitler was filled with hate, it could of had a lot to do with the defeat of the first WWI. He was also ashamed of is jewish past. I will say one thing, you never hear jewish people the moaning about the holocost. Black people of today complain about the slavetrade but they had not to do it. I think, black people of today, live in a must better society than those poor people who suffered in the most horrific conditions. History is there to educate us, it's not their to be used against one another.

I'm not trying to make trouble.

Your post is very dismissive. Like I said we're not pointing fingers here.

I don't care if Jews don't moan about the Holocaust or if black people bitch about slavery.

What I care about is WHY some people did the things they did to make history what it is today.

I'll say it again, imagine if black people did the colonizing.

Native Americans can't even bitch about what the pilgrims did!

ALSO...

Not many people seem "educated" even though they have the faintest awareness of the lesson history is still teaching us today.

People seem to just want to HATE.

The question I'm asking you right now is WHY?

Because you can't have one without the other ?

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Good answer.

Still a little sad, by all this, but the answer is a true one.

Posted by amethyst2002
Honey, you REALLY can't generalize it all into "hate." You're kind of going overboard here. Every situation is different and are just way too multifaceted to say it's all "just hate" all by it's little self. It doesn't work that way.

You're right. A lot more goes into all the situations I brought up.

But at each of their cores is something very similar. I think.

Boy...

Some of the awful things in life will never go away because of what everevolving's post mentions.

It's why the idea of there being a heaven sounds shit to me: perfection is boring.

Yet at the same time human beings are capable of some crazy shit, whatever the motivation.

In the beginning SHABOOM made only love. Sunny days people laying around fucking making more people. having a good laugh. Then one day he said man this sucks. I find this boring. So he made hate. its interesting to note with in two days DXP came about and 3 hours later the drama queens apperred.

Posted by Layna
Definitely Nietzsche. 🙂

Most people truly don't understand the definition of hate. I'm mostly talking about the " twelve y/o kids of racist/homophobic/football gang parents", which I think is what you were mostly thinking about. They were just taught to dislike something, with a conditioned sense of responses to situations. That's bad nurturing in general. Discrimination and hate are two different things. Hate is too intense and vile an emotion... no one would be able to function - I mean not even able to physically move - under it.

So, you're not talking about hate, you're taking about discrimination. It is everywhere... very natural. That's what racism/homophobia really is. Yet, discrimination is a mental attitude - you need an idea to pair with it so that an action is produced. Thus, it is the negative mental attitude (discrimination) and idea that led to - I'll use your examples - slavery, the Holocaust, and what happened to the Native Americans.

Are we all just truly evil deep down? Every single one of us human beings?

Pure and true black can never be found... just like pure and true white can't. I'm talking art. 😉

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Will check this Nietzsche guy out.

I don't know, though. It takes an ungodly amount of callousness to just decide to gas millions of people because they don't have blue eyes.

THanks Rex

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^ Fudged up quotes... sorry.

Posted by 1two3go
I don't know, though. It takes an ungodly amount of callousness to just decide to gas millions of people because they don't have blue eyes.

Of course. Yet, callousness is still not hate. Hitler had serious psychological problems.

Still started off with discrimination and an idea, though. Power is a weapon easily and widely misused. Hitler did not have to gas people, but he did... because he could.

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Wow.

The guy didn't even have BLUE EYES! He wasn't BLONDE!

Yet people not only listened to what he had to say on that issue but also BELIEVED it?!

Hate or discrimination doesn't seem all that bad to me anymore.

I mean, an individual's discrimination towards me I can handle.

But a whole group of people's lack of concern?

Actually: discrimination is never going to go away.

But maybe that's not what we should be trying to get rid of...

hitler as a madman-not because he had psychological problems....but because he chose to punish all of the jews for the great evil only a few of them actually did(the BANKS-much like here in america). but thats besides the point

personally, i think hate just comes down to ignorance.

i think a large part of it is the in-group, out-group mentality. concept from social psychology.

people want to identify with a group, feel like they belong. they're willing to devalue other groups to elevate the status of their own. in the back of their mind they may ask, "is this right?" but that question takes a backseat to the sense of unity they feel with their in-group.

in other words, people will do something "questionable" if they feel others will still accept them, or look favorably upon them, afterward.

of course i'm referring to those who did hitler's bidding, who participated in the cruelty of slavery, who generally do deplorable things without blinking.....yet believe they are good people.

hitler i have no explanation for. 😛

i disagree that it comes down to hatred also.
i think the number of people who are truly filled with hate and act based on this are relatively few. many simply espouse ignorance and hatred...they're not really thinking for themselves.

I think a lot of these things have nothing to do with hate, its all about mob mentality, people like to feel part of a group, they like to have an excuse to get riled up, they want to fight.

For example when a group of guys are out for a night out, they've had a few too many drinks and they want to fight, they will find any reason, Maybe they will pick on a certain race, a certain sexuality, a certain football team, a certain pair of trainers will do!! anything that they can all unite about, get behind, and fight about.

Maybe its down to fear, insecurity, ignorance who knows?! but a lot is passed down through generations. young children do not notice colour, they will all play nicely together they do not split up into groups of race, religion, eye/hair colour etc. Discrimination is learnt behaviour. I went out with a guy once who's family was very racist, he told me that he used to be racist when he was younger, but as he grew older and started mixing with other races and working with them and being attracted to them he realised that his family were wrong. The "hate" was in his head (planted there by his family) not in his heart.

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Posted by 1two3go
a lot of white people (Pols, Germans, British) smell funny.

Excuse me😛 sorry this topic is too depressing, that's all I can muster

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Do you want the honest truth?

I don't feel this way.

My sense of smell is super weak.

I was just using the reverse of what most white people would say about black people (big noses and lips etc) to present a point of view on what a black person could possibly hate about white people to warrant wanting to make them slaves/gas them/eliminate them totally from the face of the Earth and then celebrate this fact as a holiday.

Because although I've heard black people complain about this before, I've never gotten the sense that it bothers them enough to go to such lengths listed above.

The ol' "to understand a monster think like one" line of thinking, if you will.

Which is what I was fishing for by creating this thread: real point of views on where such hate - ah, I mean DISCRIMINATION, could possibly come from.

The only white people I've met that smell awful don't smell that way naturally.

Which makes you wonder when alcohol and cigarettes became a perfume...

P.S I still find the drink your weekly/monthly wages away on the weekend life style depressing, though.

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No elle has had weeners

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