James Foley's beheading: justified or nah?

This topic was created in the Miscellaneous forum by DAMEN VI on Friday, August 22, 2014 and has 25 replies.
we all can agree that it's always two sides of a story..in this case, we have the beheading of james foley, an american who was captured by ISIS a couple years ago and recently beheaded..in a email letter sent by ISIS to james family, they explain their reasoning behind it:
HOW LONG WILL THE SHEEP FOLLOW THE BLIND SHEPPARD?
A message to the American government and their sheep like citizens:
We have left you alone since your disgraceful defeat in Iraq. We did not interfere in your country or attack your citizens while they were safe in their homes despite our capability to do so!
As for the scum of your society who are held prisoner by us, THEY DARED TO ENTER THE LION??S DEN AND WHERE EATEN!
You were given many chances to negotiate the release of your people via cash transactions as other governments have accepted,We have also offered prisoner exchanges to free the Muslims currently in your detention like our sister Dr Afia Sidiqqi, however you proved very quickly to us that this is NOT what you are interested in.
You have no motivation to deal with the Muslims except with the language of force, a language you were given in ???Arabic translation?? when you attempted to occupy the land of Iraq!Now you return to bomb the Muslims of Iraq once again, this time resorting to Arial attacks and ???proxy armies??, all the while cowardly shying away from a face-to-face confrontation!
Today our swords are unsheathed towards you, GOVERNMENT AND CITIZENS ALIKE! AND WE WILL NOT STOP UNTILL WE QUENCH OUR THIRST FOR YOUR BLOOD.
You do not spare our weak, elderly, women or children so we will NOT spare yours!
You and your citizens will pay the price of your bombings!
The first of which being the blood of the American citizen, James Foley!
He will be executed as a DIRECT result of your transgressions towards us!
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after reading that, i understand wholeheartedly why they did what they did and i honestly believe they're 100% right in doing it..
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i actually watched it this morning. a friggin steak knife? im sad.
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Sawed his head off with a hand knife.
People think beheading is a quick slice, and done.
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Posted by DMV
i actually watched it this morning. a friggin steak knife? im sad.


he took it like a champ though from what i saw..he didn't bitch up too much..good ol libra, always trying to be diplomatic and balanced..they're gonna behead this guy next..

he's a taurus..i assume he won't fight his impending death too much either
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Posted by DAMEN VI
we all can agree that it's always two sides of a story..in this case, we have the beheading of james foley, an american who was captured by ISIS a couple years ago and recently beheaded..in a email letter sent by ISIS to james family, they explain their reasoning behind it:
HOW LONG WILL THE SHEEP FOLLOW THE BLIND SHEPPARD?
A message to the American government and their sheep like citizens:
We have left you alone since your disgraceful defeat in Iraq. We did not interfere in your country or attack your citizens while they were safe in their homes despite our capability to do so!
As for the scum of your society who are held prisoner by us, THEY DARED TO ENTER THE LION??S DEN AND WHERE EATEN!
You were given many chances to negotiate the release of your people via cash transactions as other governments have accepted,We have also offered prisoner exchanges to free the Muslims currently in your detention like our sister Dr Afia Sidiqqi, however you proved very quickly to us that this is NOT what you are interested in.
You have no motivation to deal with the Muslims except with the language of force, a language you were given in ???Arabic translation?? when you attempted to occupy the land of Iraq!Now you return to bomb the Muslims of Iraq once again, this time resorting to Arial attacks and ???proxy armies??, all the while cowardly shying away from a face-to-face confrontation!
Today our swords are unsheathed towards you, GOVERNMENT AND CITIZENS ALIKE! AND WE WILL NOT STOP UNTILL WE QUENCH OUR THIRST FOR YOUR BLOOD.
You do not spare our weak, elderly, women or children so we will NOT spare yours!
You and your citizens will pay the price of your bombings!
The first of which being the blood of the American citizen, James Foley!
He will be executed as a DIRECT result of your transgressions towards us!
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after reading that, i understand wholeheartedly why they did what they did and i honestly believe they're 100% right in doing it..


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Posted by Wynter
Sawed his head off with a hand knife.
People think beheading is a quick slice, and done.


When done right, it is.
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Posted by DAMEN VI
Posted by DMV
i actually watched it this morning. a friggin steak knife? im sad.


he took it like a champ though from what i saw..he didn't bitch up too much..good ol libra, always trying to be diplomatic and balanced..they're gonna behead this guy next..

he's a taurus..i assume he won't fight his impending death too much either
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Posted by aquavita
It s our own people beheading our own people


Humans beheading humans?
Or the US government funding these people in the first place, or something else altogether.
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Posted by MrFirebird
Posted by Wynter
Sawed his head off with a hand knife.
People think beheading is a quick slice, and done.


When done right, it is.

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I watched that video, and it was cut off before much of a cut happened. So he may have yelled and struggled - who knows. The desire to live is strong, even when you know you will die
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Someone not directly involved with the bombing should be killed!
Someone resisting arrest fighting with police should not be harmed!!
Damen logic.
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Are you fucking serious? lol

Obama says they went on a top-secret rescue mission to save him and other American hostages, but when
they got there, there were no hostages.
Why?
They "don't know." Straight Face

His response to the execution:


... after promising a relentless hunt for the terrorist butchers of a U.S. journalist, [Obama] teed off on
a Martha??s Vineyard golf course just a short time later.

French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius... took a swing at Obama.
???I know in Western countries, this is vacation period,?? he said, according to The Wall Street
Journal. ???But when people are dying, you must return from vacation.??

I just smh
And while I think it was foolish to venture into that part of the world, where women are bought and
sold like cattle--
I'm not sure how a reporter "deserves" to be beheaded for something he had no control over.




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-sigh-
This is just gonna get worse until something "history making" level of bad happens.
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Posted by AfternoonDelights22
Someone not directly involved with the bombing should be killed!
Someone resisting arrest fighting with police should not be harmed!!
Damen logic.




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Posted by Montgomery






Lol, Obama and Putin crack me up, they're the two best presidents to ever have for a global thermonuclear war, let's do this!
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Neocolonialism at work
Destabilizing countries with the help of CIA operated "NGOs" (NED), spreading chaos and terror so that warlords can take control of the national mineral ressources instead of organized governments. Fear is good.
Let the oil flow.
They were doing the exact same shit 100 years ago.
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Posted by hydorah
Neocolonialism at work
Destabilizing countries with the help of CIA operated "NGOs" (NED), spreading chaos and terror so that warlords can take control of the national mineral ressources instead of organized governments. Fear is good.
Let the oil flow.
They were doing the exact same shit 100 years ago.


Not that the so-called organized governments were/are any better.
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Posted by BrightLights
I strongly believe this was not justified. It saddens me, it sickens me, it angers me.
I believe it's wrong to kill another human being. Innocent or not, it is not up to us. Period.
Just put yourself in his shoes? What went through his mind those last few moments? What about his family left in mourning forever?
Does causing more harm and damage somehow remedy harm previously done?
Eye for an eye, tooth for tooth...until whole world is blind and toothless. Brainless too. Smh!


Ehh
Executing someone for the express purpose of stopping the slaughter of innocents is one thing.
And I think that sometimes and unfortunately, that is necessary.
But that wasn't the case, here-- so yeah, I agree with you.
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Posted by aquavita
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and yes he came 2ce back from martah vineyard to wash dc because of interantional conflcits.


Ummm, no.
His return to Washington is unexplained... still.

"President Obama went back to his vacation on Martha??s Vineyard Tuesday evening after spending less
than 48 hours in Washington, leaving people puzzled over why he came back in the first place....

Administration officials have insisted for weeks that the president just wanted to return to the
White House for a series of meetings, but the explanation was met with a healthy dose of skepticism,
because Obama rarely interrupts his vacations.

Obama can also teleconference in to a meeting with his economic or national security teams from
Martha??s Vineyard, something the White House has underlined.

But Obama didn??t need to return to Washington to meet with anyone.

Judicial Watch estimates the extra trip cost $ 1.1 million... "

** Link.

Posted by aquavita
Btw Obama has bee trying really hard to avoid intrervention. I m every satisfied with his speeches
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Talking seems to be what he does best.
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Posted by aquavita
Traditional arabArabs do not possess the aggressiveness of the ploeple they bring fron the west.m the wetsreners are ususally the ones who execute wetsrenrs as well as they re the ones doing the worst executions. This journalsit should have been declared a hero by american nation in such circumstances yet we just talk about "beheaded journalist".


You're right-- he deserved better.

But look at the 'president' who would set the tone for the nation-- hell of an example... he didn't even miss tee time.
Yet you love him.
I don't understand that, Vita-- makes no sense.
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I really can't blame the Arabic people. They are fed up and for good reason. Their people took the fall, the face of the enemy, for our government to further it's agenda.
Now we have invaded their country for no damn reason and are killing their children and wives and elderly. The generation of young soldiers over there are all brainwashed on fucking call of duty and shit and this is probably just a real life video game for them. There is no regulation, you think their people are being treated fairly? No.
Then a journalist gets too close to the action, on his own accord, and he's supposed to be treated fairly? Why?
We should just leave them alone. Usa is becoming the terrorist. We need to worry about our own, but the last thing on these powerful, rich elite puppet masters minds is worrying about their own. There is a bigger agenda.
Obama acting funny, that's just another confirmation. Police state practice drills going on in Ferguson, another confirmation. Shit is going on behind the scenes, something big is going to happen.
People do need to wake the fuck up and stop believing our government. Maybe this will lead us into a much more violent war. Where they do come here, like they threaten. More violent on this end, not to say it's not already violent. When our cities start getting bombed, America's probably going to break out the big guns. And then other countries might just follow suit. When the world is destroyed from nuclear, or worse, warfare... then the elite will start all over. Rebuild the world in their image.
I believe that's the master plan. It's been in motion for a long time now.

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That we can even debate whether or not it is justifiable for a human being to die in such a violent manner is a statement on how barbaric our society and mentality really is.
While I don't condone the continued presence of the American military forces in the Middle East, these beheading spectacles are nothing but a disgusting travesty.
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OMG, this is so sad.
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Being a journalist on foreign soil comes with great risk. Especially on soil of those who claim Americans are the enemy.
He chose that risk and died as a result.
No different than journalists killed in the Vietnam war.
Note to American journalists who don't want a risk...STAY THE FUCK HOME
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Posted by Wynter
Posted by MrFirebird
Posted by Wynter
Sawed his head off with a hand knife.
People think beheading is a quick slice, and done.


When done right, it is.



I watched that video, and it was cut off before much of a cut happened. So he may have yelled and struggled - who knows. The desire to live is strong, even when you know you will die

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No doubt, the desire to live is strong. However, for some people, following extended captivity, under cruel conditions, the desire to live is broken down and the desire to die becomes more dominant.
People do nasty things to each other. They have for a long, long time.
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so the guy who beheaded the journalist is also a rapper its seems..
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he can actually rap too,seriously..i wonder if he has an album/mixtape? i'd buy it to show support for his skills
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