Locking Your Car Doors Is Racial Profiling

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Would taking my car keys with me, be racial profiling, too???
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How about car alarms? Are those indicative of racial profiling???
And what about security doors, and bars on the windows? Are they indicative of
racial profiling as well?
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I judge a man by the content of his character. NOT the color of his skin!!!
IF a white kid stole my wallet, why the hell would I tell the cops it was a black man??????
To do that, sounds utterly STUPID! I want my wallet back!!

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Racial profiling is based on the intent with which you do something, not necessarily the action itself.
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Posted by everevolvingepithet
I don't get it, what's unlocking/locking doors got to do with it? :-?



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One thing I DO hate is whenever the media or some youtube baboon clips the recording of original story into soundbytes - They done this forever, show the whole damn thing then spin it!
POTUS commented on the Verdict today (about 5-6 hours ago)
He said that "locking car doors is profiling".
He also said that "Travon could've been me".


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Posted by natural25
Racial profiling is based on the intent with which you do something, not necessarily the action itself.


Ok let me see if I got this right - if someone suspects someone MIGHT commit a crime, it's racial profiling? - have I got that right?
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Posted by xygeneration
Posted by MrFirebird
Posted by natural25
Racial profiling is based on the intent with which you do something, not necessarily the action itself.


Ok let me see if I got this right - if someone suspects someone MIGHT commit a crime, it's racial profiling? - have I got that right?



Racial profiling is just picking on someone based on colour while there's no evidence the person might or will be committing a crime.
It sort of follows in finding a reason to arrest profiled individual.

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There is a problem though, The president suggested today that locking your doors whenever you see a black person is racial profiling.
Now... IF you are monitoring this Zimmerman case closely, DON'T be surprised if you will be hearing, in the not too distant future, the DOJ charge that Zimmerman was "Profiling" Trayvon Martin because, they ASSUME, he had his doors locked when Trayvon walked by. It wouldn't surprise me if they say that.
IMHO, that smacks of Hypocrisy in that the President, the DOJ AG Holder, are Racially Profiling George Zimmerman and implies that ANYONE out there who locks their car doors when a BLACK MAN (only a black man, all others don't apply) walks by, is grounds for charging that person with racial profiling or some other hate crime.
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Posted by MrFirebird
Posted by natural25
Racial profiling is based on the intent with which you do something, not necessarily the action itself.


Ok let me see if I got this right - if someone suspects someone MIGHT commit a crime, it's racial profiling? - have I got that right?
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Well... If you base your suspicion SOLEY on race because you have a prejudice towards one certain "race" to , in your example, try to rob you or steal your car, yes, that is racial profiling.
You have made a decision that an entire racial group acts in a certain way. You have created a mental profile for them. Consequently, you might also assume that a person from said racial group is going to hurt you, and if you have a gun, kill them, merely based on the assumption that all **fill in the blank** are violent. Regardless, if that SPECIFIC person from said racial group had any intent to harm you or not.
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"He comin' after me, ahhh, they'll do it!" (suspicion, gut feeling)
Sounds like he's profiled the cop just after he turned onto the main drag, to me.
Proceed to make a cell phone call. Officer appears to have waved him over, he refused,
Officer has not even exited the vehicle. Meanwhile, a red tandem axle 10 yard dump, pulls up
driver gets out goes into mini-mart, then returns. Officer motions HIM over and he complies.
Why? Because truck drivers already knows the game and how to play it. Anybody who remotely I don't
know what it's like to be harassed and followed around, don't know F'n jack! For us, EVERYONE is a potential threat! It ain't profilin' it's called watchin' your back. Because you know damn' good and well, somebody, somewhere, is gonna do something stupid.
Most anyone possessing common sense and survival instincts, intuition and skills, use them.
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Posted by xygeneration
My ex is black and let me tell you, what he said before. It sort of goes with what P mentioned in your other thread. People will always judge you, if its not the colour its your gender and if its not your gender its the way you look. When he deals with authority figures or when he looks for work he says its about blending in, its playing smart. Its leaving your shit out the door and acting right=manners and professionalism. He said, if you dont want to get killed you need to play it cool. There is no room for a hot head when you're dealing with an iron fist. People will always want to be on top and be in control, but sometimes you have to play along to get along. Its saving yourself from danger and it proves them wrong. The key is knowing yourself, that way you have an idea of how people are and how fucked up people can be. Know human nature and you'll always have the upper hand.



That's right.
What a lot of black people fail to understand is that this "Hand-me-down" hatred is what continues the division - Unbeknownst to most people, I defended Obama against the dumb nut rednecks playing the veiled games of racism. In spite of that, Obama FUBAR'D ROYALLY, today.
IF we choose to live in a society where everyone is a target, there's never going to be hope for civility. Gun or no gun, if a man wants to kill, he'll find a way to do it.
CIVIL RIGHTS does NOT know color - in this current state of affairs, it's the black man who has
NOT learned from history and is makin' the same mistake all over, again. Rather than acknowledge the
evidence, they are driven by rage invoked by the Media feeding them the line of shit that has completely misrepresented the facts: Basically, a troubled kid, who strayed off the beaten path,
Trayvon thought he was one BAD ASS MUTHA with a chip on his shoulder and now, we all call him a "CHILD" = think about that for a moment.... imagine a typical 17 year old tryin' to prove his manhood the wrong way, and...., well..., lost.
IF anything, the black community should be examining itself and learn the REAL lesson WHY "BAD ASS" is a "BAD IDEA". It's no secret there are good and bad black kids, just like there are good and bad white kids. - Trouble is, society has chosen to blur the line between right and wrong. And stupid stuff happens.
SMH.
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I've been all over the US. I have been forced to live with perfect strangers in the small confined cab
of a truck as a team driver. I was a trainer. I taught these guys the ropes of the road.
Black, White, Asian, Hispanic... the whole lot. Each had their own ways about them. Some good, some bad.
TRAYVON, had a history of 3 suspensions, one of which, was the reason he was up in Sanford as I far as I know. Tracy Martin was..... you may know, was a truck driver and as near as I can tell, an OTR trucker which means he was gone during the week and home on the weekends.
Trayvon has some history that shows he was ripe for this kind of thing to happen. A 17 year old kid is NOT a "little baby boy". I am a grandfather, I KNOW how my once teen daughters acted and I was once a 17 year old myself. - it's NOT hard to figure out, from a male's perspective.
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There are pictures of him with gold on his teeth, middle fingers, and the like. - He was something of a wannabe gangsta.
Another thing is how convenient the Martin/Jeantel cell recordings for that day went missing while
the a huge chunk of other data remained for other dates before and after. - This is called tampering with evidence. There's stuff going on in the background of all of this. I am hearing it from lawyers and others in the know. - This whole "Racist" discussion was brought about by some very bad choices
made in the aftermath by Crump and company, - You have to look at their background - we've done this with Zimmerman, we should demand it of Martin, his family and their attorneys, NAACP, Sharpton, Jackson, Holder etc. Trayvon's death has been exploited in the name of politics and $ $ $ $ .
It's a BIG Scandal. The public isn't aware of it due to the Liberal Media. It's plain as day.
But for emotions, rationale had taken a back seat. - I guarantee ANYONE in Zimmerman's shoes facing
the EXACT SAME situation, would have pulled the killed Trayvon. - It's survival instinct.
Zimmerman's a marked man by IRRESPONSIBLE people who have covered up the real Travon with a made for tv Travon. - This is no different than how the white man treated the Native American Nations when it nearly slaughtered them all, and resigned to put the remnant on the Rez.
It's Mind Control of the masses again.
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Posted by xygeneration
See the thing is Mr. F, there's a lot of suspicion on both side and its hard to tell those who aren't. I think everyone has that responsibility to educate and discipline those who belong in their community. Its not just black people though.
I do know that some people go out of there way to educate, every community has its own issues.
I don't know if Trayvon could have avoided his situation though, Zimmerman had a history.



I agree on some points, x, (see my reply above)
It a HUGE mess and there are MANY contributing factors to why things are the way they are, at this point in time.
Each race has their good, bad and rotten apples. - no dispute about that.
BUT, let's consider exactly what it is that distinguishes the good from the bad.
You said:
"I think everyone has that responsibility to educate and discipline those who belong in their community."
I couldn't agree with you, more. - Parenting, Church, Schools, Youth Programs, Civic Leadership, etc are all venues wherein ALL kids can learn the BASIC values that are necessary for them to get along.
(I personally have a vested interest in seeing that all kids get the best they possibly can - I have a Grandson and their future is his future and vice versa - young parents today, as well as the rest of us, owe it to them and we MUST respect that- IF we don't, we will regret it and so will they.)
Coddling and excusing bad behavior as the Liberals have done for the past 50 years is NOT going to change things. Teaching Sound Practical Education, Discipline and Civil Harmony is critical or else
the kid isn't going to learn - regardless of his color. - This Notion of "locking doors is profiling" is
Inflammatory and absolutely absent of thought of the REAL problem... Obama is Screwing up BIG TIME on that one.
COMMON SENSE NEEDS to return to this society, if it don't - what's the point of giving a damn about anything, anymore???

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^^^ I don't think any of you or anyone else want to live in a world where nothing means a damned thing.
We all must work together or we'll starve to death, apart.
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I've tried and tried and tried and tried and tried and tried some more to find Zimmerman's guilt - I have NOT found it yet and yet, my search continues.
HOWEVER, I am also looking at Trayvon, thinking outside of the box.
Understanding the Art of War, helps. Knowing what it is to fight, to advance, to retreat, to lose, to win and to neutralize and to kill. War is NOT a hard topic for me to grasp. Seeing and smelling the senseless casualties and destruction of it. Quite intoxicating and yet, Quite Sobering. -
When I hear "No Justice No Peace", I hear two things : "REVENGE OR ELSE" and "WE WANT WAR! WE HATE PEACE!"
That's what I hear when I see that sign. What I also see..... Is the mighty army that would snuff the
life out of every participant. It's happened before and it would happen again.
This is NOT the direction, I want to see this country headed toward.

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Posted by xygeneration
I see your point, but there's a clash with old ways and new ways.
You can see this in the way younger generation give less respect to older generation. Back then, you wont have to ask a youngin to move for the elderly or women or the physically disabled. Now you have to ask and give reason why you need the seat.
Not sure if that make some sense, but point is there is a gap. New and old ways. Society is becoming less of a community, its aim is more individualistic.



That's right, however, it always was a collective made up of individuals.
The problem is the politics. - IF we were to erase the knowledge of "Democrat" and "Republican" "Liberal" and "Conservative" and just look at the pros and cons of the legislations - we'd be
quite shocked by what we would deem acceptable and unacceptable.
I have a saying when considering a piece of legislation: "Just because it's popular, doesn't mean it's right and just because it's unpopular, doesn't mean it's wrong"
So, in order to better society for a brighter future, we must weigh these things and IF we do not have
a moral compass or are equipped with an immoral compass, we are sure to mess up things beyond recognition.
We know the speed limit says 55 - we know, IF we exceed that posted speed limit, we can get a ticket.
We may disagree with the speed limit posted, but we CHOOSE to obey or risk the consequences a warning, a ticket, even a suspension and time in jail, is far better than ending up dead. - that's common sense.
When we complicate things and dictate what means what to suit our individual reactionary whims, we
jeopardize our own life.

The war is NOT race v race, Liberal v Conservative..... it's Wisdom v. Foolishness - that's what it boils down to.

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Posted by xygeneration
Being just and the law may or may not always work together.



The trouble with the law, is that it is "RIGID" and set in stone. Feeble minds try to "interpret" the law to suit their own political beliefs, etc. HOWEVER, that is dictating the rules for the masses in favor of the few. -
We've heard the government is bloated and clumsy and stupid... among other things.... - and that it doesn't work... well.... imagine a person who is an grossly obese at nearly 1000 lbs and it's not
hard to guess that the same doesn't work. Fit and Trim, always wins. IF the government were fit and trim,
it may resonate with the people.... - Too bad so many people fail to apply the KISS principle to Government.
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Posted by xygeneration

I think the issue is more about the law than Zimmerman then. If same situation happened but different people, same laws would have applied. It all comes down to, are you or are you not protected by the law.



I think that IF the roles were truly reversed, then... Zimmerman, being in Travon's grave and Travyon in hiding from the hoards of ignorant vigilantes.... I wonder how they would feel.
Here is Wisdom: "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you."
It's very profound and one that most people have disregarded throughout history and due that
disregard, have suffered wars, famines, and destructions of all sorts - no peace.
The Best Defense is NOT to Offend.
BUT IF you are offended you have a choice to make:
IF you want JUSTICE, Forgive. IF you DO NOT want PEACE, then, Forgive Not.
It's that simple.



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Posted by xygeneration
Posted by MrFirebird
Posted by xygeneration
Being just and the law may or may not always work together.



The trouble with the law, is that it is "RIGID" and set in stone. Feeble minds try to "interpret" the law to suit their own political beliefs, etc. HOWEVER, that is dictating the rules for the masses in favor of the few. -
We've heard the government is bloated and clumsy and stupid... among other things.... - and that it doesn't work... well.... imagine a person who is an grossly obese at nearly 1000 lbs and it's not
hard to guess that the same doesn't work. Fit and Trim, always wins. IF the government were fit and trim,
it may resonate with the people.... - Too bad so many people fail to apply the KISS principle to Government.



I think its just that there are authority figures violating the law which pisses me off more than the law itself and how the law can be bought with the right price at times. ??? what to do with these guys
I do agree though that the law is there to work for people. Its hard to turn things back now, we def need it.
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Indeed, MANY Lawmakers and Law Enforcement Personnel and those in the Court, DO abuse and break the laws they make and are sworn to uphold, and they SHOULD be held accountable. Ask Any Native American
what he thinks about when it comes to the Government. - This sense of injustice that you and many others have sensed, or witnessed is something the 1st Nations have known, all along.
The words "Law Enforcement" NEVER prevents the crime, it's job is to ENFORCE the law broken. That is
to serve justifiable punishment in accordance to the law written for the laws broken.
The pity party is this: People don't know the laws or they knowingly break the law.
THEN when they are caught, they cry their eyes out and learn or resent the law even more, and learn not.
With Martin v. Zimmerman, the law of "Best Defense Is Not To Offend", is NOT written anywhere in
all the bills. BUT it is the law which Martin broke and in his proud rage, he beat Zimmerman's skull
to the point where Zimmerman "Perceived" that his life was endangered - Remember, Zimmerman said Trayvon said "Your gonna die tonight Muthafucka" - that's not very cheerful
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So far this is about as close as it gets to what I have been thinking about concerning
this specific case. (he trails off-topic a little at the end into a debatable topic, though)
Nevertheless, his dissecting of the facts and a few considerations of influential external
factors beside the nucleus of Zimmerman and of Martin.
You will not hear him approach this story with hysteria, but rather with an intelligent academic
approach. - You won't see this on the all emotional CNN, etc.
The guy is just stating facts and laying out his thoughts in a calm rational manner. - His demeanor
is no different than my own.

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Posted by xygeneration
*Collective*
Yes, but aiming towards a common goal then.
Now, its more about the self.
There's so much emphasis on freedom that some people are left with no sense of direction or know how to even handle it.




Bingo! Emphasis on "freedom" while ignoring the lessons that teach one how to behave with that freedom.
The logic being "We can't tell people how to live their life, so, we'll just them to do whatever they want and when they break the law, we'll deal with it."
That's NOT a sane society.

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Posted by DonJohnson
racial profiling is the same as risk management. you can either let the media brain washing you into believing that you should leave the common sense at the door and look at a blonde female and a hooded black man at night the same way.
the fact is, 50% of homicides are commited by black people who account for 13% of the population. Most of that population are women, because a lot of black men are in jail. So let's say half and on top of excluding children and old men, approximately 3% of men are committing 50% of the homicides.
that 3% = young black men
L M A O @ not profiling. You'd be an idiot to not to. Period. You can not deconstruct my argument logically. It's impossible.




There's such thing as "sizing a man up" and what that means is you're figuring out who he really is
by observing him.
As I've said elsewhere, I give everyone 100 while at the same time, keep an eye on them -
they are the ones who lower their score and thus, my expectations. Not me.
Is he true to his word or is he a fraud? Is he honest or is he a thief? - Employers do that all the time, most specifically during a job interview or when there needs to be disciplinary action. It's life.
Again, profiling is NOT about race. - of course, Obama and company apparently want people to blindly accept everyone without regard to their own gut instincts. Anyone with street smarts is going to laugh
when they begin to imagine what other things Obama would have them do with the same kind of thinking.
IMHO, Obama's appearance is indicative of "appeasement" to help simmer people down, it sure as hell isn't going to sit well with those who live in crime infested neighborhoods.

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The color of a man's skin is no excuse for committing a crime.
Here is another who thinks along the same lines, I do.
But IF you're a black person or an individual that sincerely support the black cause but
do so using the wrong means, wrong approach, because liberalism told you to, then
I suggest you listen the to wise among the black men who address the bad behavior of their own
black men.
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Sheesh, we have wise men for each race. But if nobody listen, don't cry foul when you get hurt.
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All hooga booga politically correct judicial bs and one-sided conversations aside, one truth is that the media created this monster. Zimmerman was never white. This became about race when it never should have been... Insanity is like gravity when you're surrounded by morons.
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Why should "the black community" examine itself & "learn the real lesson why bad ass is a bad idea"? This is the kind of talk that makes most black people angry, being lumped with the rest of the bad apples. Bad apples which are found in every race. Black people don't need to learn anything, people who think being bad ass is a great thing need to learn that it isnt..it's not a lesson to be learned by blacks alone. One thing I personally dont like is when people start to say things like "black people need to do a,b & c". Who gave you the authority to tell a whole race of people what to do? Who do you think you are to lecture a whole race of people about what they should be doing? Unless you're black yourself then you have squat to say about what blacks should do, it doesnt work like that. Truth is, we're all humans, right, but we're not all the same at the core of our beings & most black people have a way of seeing things. You may say something, meaning well, but it'll come across as disrespectful. I think none black people need to mind their own business & not tell other communities what to do. Its rude. Looking back at history, blacks have been told what to do for a very long time, so you'll understand why being lectured (especially by another race) may be a nuisance to some black people today.
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Racial profiling violates the 4th amendment of the US Constitution. Bill of Rights.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
*Sigh* Every 2-4 years the USA has a huge racial debate that "divides the country." Fueled by the media, to keep us divided so that we will never unite to deal with this horrid illegal government.
Firstly, the country is always divided and will forever be divided. 2ndly, in all these great debates, no one learns anything and in fact people generally just pick a side and stick to it. Rinse and repeat til the next few years.
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Remember what the President said? "Travon could've been me". Yes, it could have been Barack Obama.
But it wasn't. Obama received an entirely different upbringing than Trayvon had received.

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Looking for trouble is the job of a neighborhood watch volunteer - suspicious activity, suspicious persons - it don't matter what color the skin. -
Trayvon chose to confront Zimmerman, and lost - again, I cite Sun Tzu's Art Of War and how strategy plays in. A more mature and wiser black man would have approached Zimmerman, much differently. He
would NOT have thrown the first punch. He would have diffused and disarmed Zimmerman's suspicions
by simply identifying himself, what he was doin'. Immaturity plus Pride plus fear got the best of Martin.

When one person commits a crime they all take the fall - that's true for white people but, again,
it isn't about COLOR it's about the crime, breaking the law, making yourself "untrusworthy", a
bad apple.
Consider the saying "One bad apple ruins the whole bunch" That's true with all races and both genders, throughout history. IF the whole bunch is rotten, then.... the whole bunch is wasted. Therefore those who would seek to truly survive will separate themselves from rotten few or know not to get involved with them. IF they don't know better, the experiences, itself, may teach them. Mind you, I am talking about ALL races. Again, Remember what MLK said. It's Content of Character defines the person. NOT the color of his skin. When we judge a person, righteously, it will be based on the "Content of his CHARACTER".




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Posted by LunarMaiden
Racial profiling violates the 4th amendment of the US Constitution. Bill of Rights.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
*Sigh* Every 2-4 years the USA has a huge racial debate that "divides the country." Fueled by the media, to keep us divided so that we will never unite to deal with this horrid illegal government.
Firstly, the country is always divided and will forever be divided. 2ndly, in all these great debates, no one learns anything and in fact people generally just pick a side and stick to it. Rinse and repeat til the next few years.



That's right. As long as the liberal political establishment maintains it's chokehold on black people,
many of those black people are going to be exploited. Black people are VERY emotional. It's been engrained into their psyche. The LUCKY ones are able to get past the Sharptons, Jacksons and their own immediate sphere of negative influence that holds them back. - I encourage people to think for themselves. Examine the evidence of the world around them, think about what's really going on. Think about cutting that cord that the liberals had tied around their necks. - I can only point the way. they
are the ones that have to walk in it. Like that one black man said earlier, grow some thicker skin.
Try to see the big picture. Remember politicians are greedy and want your money. Also, other people want
something else, so.... the politicians managed to build their little group of groups and each have organizations that fight anything that would threaten the whole, even if the whole is rotten.
Same idea with the Conservative camp.


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^^^^ once free from the mind shackles of shady politics and clever mind/opinion control/maintenance schemes, you can see the entire universe you never knew existed.
It's like a natural high.
While I may still monitor everyone, I am not doing so in the interest of harming anyone, but simple self-defense and defense of life, body and property of others as well, regardless color.
I'm at peace.
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The sad part is, the black people who are good citizens still get lumped with the ones who aren't. When you're a good person, it's not rare to hear bs like "you're not like other blacks"..as if they've met every black person in existence. In my mind I'm like "I've just proven to you that not all blacks are the same, yet you still continue to think that my "goodness" is something foreign to my race" How can you not get emotional when even when you're good, the colour of your skin is still an issue & worse, they try to strip you off of your skin tone by saying things like "you're not like other blacks". I don't know if statements like that are meant to be taken as compliments or what. But, to the true black & proud it's an insult.
I met this white guy not too long ago, we had nice conversations & almost dated. I say "almost" because he said something that ruined it for me, he said "I don't see colour" Wtf is that supposed to mean? If you want to date me you better be able to see. My skin tone is not something to look past, or be ignored. You're NOT doing me a favour here, buddy. LOL! Accept me as a whole, dont crap me with nonsense you think will make you look decent. I'd prefered if he never said anything & just dated me as a 1 headed, 4 limbed human being.
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The sad part is, the black people who are good citizens still get lumped with the ones who aren't. When you're a good person, it's not rare to hear bs like "you're not like other blacks"..as if they've met every black person in existence. In my mind I'm like "I've just proven to you that not all blacks are the same, yet you still continue to think that my "goodness" is something foreign to my race" How can you not get emotional when even when you're good, the colour of your skin is still an issue & worse, they try to strip you off of your skin tone by saying things like "you're not like other blacks". I don't know if statements like that are meant to be taken as compliments or what. But, to the true black & proud it's an insult.
I met this white guy not too long ago, we had nice conversations & almost dated. I say "almost" because he said something that ruined it for me, he said "I don't see colour" Wtf is that supposed to mean? If you want to date me you better be able to see. My skin tone is not something to look past, or be ignored. You're NOT doing me a favour here, buddy. LOL! Accept me as a whole, dont crap me with nonsense you think will make you look decent. I'd prefered if he never said anything & just dated me as a 1 headed, 4 limbed human being.


Apparently, the person who said "You're not like other blacks" is like a woman sayin' "you're not like other men" -
Take it however you want.
As for part two. You are YOU and you are WHO you are.
IF color means more to you than the content of your character, then that guy's out of the pic.
on the other hand, the next gal he's with may be more of the inside person.
Besides all that, we ALL grow physically less attractive as we get older. I'm sorry but that's the truth. BUT the sweet part is, the inside of the person "can" grow more beautiful than a swan with
the passage of time. - BUT only if we choose do so. And it will NOT be by what we think of ourselves
that matters, but what others think of us. That becomes a deciding factor how we are perceived when
youth and beauty fades.
To whomever:
Accept yourself for WHO you are. IF the color of your skin pleases you, then that's fine.
IF not, burn it off if you think doing so will make you happy. But in so doing, will you be happy?

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What everyone has to remember is that the US is the melting pot of a thousand different cultures, ideas, and ideals of all sorts divided ten thousand ways.
It should NOT be surprising that there are going to be clashes. It's like everyone having their own idea what color a house should be painted. Everyone thinking their own idea is best. Well, you can imagine what will happen when the first person says "I don't like that color, I like this color".
See my point?
Many black people have no problem with the color of their skin, on the other hand, many don't like the color of their skin, nor their ancestral slave heritage. It bothers them.
Some have chosen to believe they had native american blood in them and it turned out not being the case.
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That clip reflective of how some black people feel.
The people that riot do NOT represent ALL black people. What they DO represent, are the one's who
chose not to keep their cool and play the fool. Every color has their bad apples. - that I recognize.
A fascinating science is DNA Geneology. Methods, standards and DNA charts, may have yet to be fully developed, but still fascinating, nevertheless.
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Posted by starlover
It is called FREEDOM of thought isn't it?
We have all been given the gift to have individual thoughts
as well as the choice to be brainwashed by the mob mentality
Simple, i thought?


Freedom of thought is there for everyone. We ALL choose to think what we will.
However, if we look at thoughts and opinions like we might look at a westernized international restaurant menu, we then understand that we will like some foods from some regions of the world but not others.
HOWEVER, IF we are given a much more limited menu, such as mexican food, we then don't have the broad choices of foods to choose from as we might expect from an international restaurant that serves all major westernized dishes. When it comes to US politics, there are TWO primary political parties.
Each party has their own "menu" which the people choose from. Liberal party will have mild left leaning food to extreme left leaning food. Same goes for the Conservative party. - then there all the third parties that exist in their various forms, which the citizen is free to choose from.
BUT the Government is dominated by the BIG TWO - Democratic and Republican Parties. Both have
dictated the course of American History and the general social psyche of the population.
BUT both are no different than a grain of sand by comparison of a beach full of sand. - that is....
both parties are wholly inadequate.
This is part of the reason why America is dying.




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Posted by MrFirebird
What everyone has to remember is that the US is the melting pot of a thousand different cultures, ideas, and ideals of all sorts divided ten thousand ways.
It should NOT be surprising that there are going to be clashes. It's like everyone having their own idea what color a house should be painted. Everyone thinking their own idea is best. Well, you can imagine what will happen when the first person says "I don't like that color, I like this color".
See my point?
Many black people have no problem with the color of their skin, on the other hand, many don't like the color of their skin, nor their ancestral slave heritage. It bothers them.
Some have chosen to believe they had native american blood in them and it turned out not being the case.
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That clip reflective of how some black people feel.
The people that riot do NOT represent ALL black people. What they DO represent, are the one's who
chose not to keep their cool and play the fool. Every color has their bad apples. - that I recognize.
A fascinating science is DNA Geneology. Methods, standards and DNA charts, may have yet to be fully developed, but still fascinating, nevertheless.
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This actually makes me very sad, I've noticed it's common among American blacks to claim or be proud of having "white blood", or anything else as long as it's not black. Some claim to be 15% white & that pure blacks ie. Africans are jealous of their white side. LOL! So untrue. Most Africans see being mixed as something undesirable, a pollution of sorts & nothing to be envious of. Sometimes I'm glad I was born in this continent cause most of us dont have identity crises & are proud of our ancestry. So those who think to be a full human you need admixture in your dna are pitiful.
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Posted by starlover
Well whilst you are talkin of government and political parties, one may remain in a state of non freedom i guess?
Who wants to be dictated to by a bunch of corrupt clueless egotistical bullshitters who lie and cheat their way through in order to attempt control
Be your own person, be free of any form of dictatorship and you will be happy
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Dont get caught up with the american brainwashing system i suppose?


Life is NOT about happiness. There is no such thing as life without governance.
We govern ourselves regardless what nation we live in. When we break the laws of the Spirit
no carnal government can save us from the torment we feel. That is the way of the Spirit.
Indeed, when people come to understand that, they need not the laws of the land, for
the Laws of the Spirit supersede the laws of the land. However, the Laws of the Spirit
are set forth into this natural world. This land. What many people don't regard is
that there is a Spiritual War that exists and each person is a footprint on the battlefield.
It is a hard thing to illustrate with words and pictures. It is emotion, the highs and lows
which we all experience. Like long worms which bore into the wood, spirits bore into people's
dead souls. It is a hideous thing. But these are what influence the confusion and chaos and
dramas which men and women all over the world manifest into this world. I can see the souls
of them that write, that speak. Once again, skin matters not, but the content of character
matters. IF that character be rotten and cancered to the core, it will be surely found out.
And many of these dead souls are consumed with exceeding hate. They find no peace in their
rage. You can see it on the people's faces.
Be your own person, but use discretion and wise judgement, for Authority and consequence is
not vain.
Brainwashing is not only sourced from government, but from schools, television, radio internet
media, anywhere even your own self. Until one knows the Truth, they will be enslaved and blind
to lies. IF they love the lies, naturally they will not seek the Truth.
Therefore scrutinize everything you hear from the media. Like a diet, we are what we eat.
America is a re-enactment of another time, long ago. In those days, confusion. Even now, confusion.
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Posted by MrFirebird
What everyone has to remember is that the US is the melting pot of a thousand different cultures, ideas, and ideals of all sorts divided ten thousand ways.
It should NOT be surprising that there are going to be clashes. It's like everyone having their own idea what color a house should be painted. Everyone thinking their own idea is best. Well, you can imagine what will happen when the first person says "I don't like that color, I like this color".
See my point?
Many black people have no problem with the color of their skin, on the other hand, many don't like the color of their skin, nor their ancestral slave heritage. It bothers them.
Some have chosen to believe they had native american blood in them and it turned out not being the case.
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That clip reflective of how some black people feel.
The people that riot do NOT represent ALL black people. What they DO represent, are the one's who
chose not to keep their cool and play the fool. Every color has their bad apples. - that I recognize.
A fascinating science is DNA Geneology. Methods, standards and DNA charts, may have yet to be fully developed, but still fascinating, nevertheless.
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This actually makes me very sad, I've noticed it's common among American blacks to claim or be proud of having "white blood", or anything else as long as it's not black. Some claim to be 15% white & that pure blacks ie. Africans are jealous of their white side. LOL! So untrue. Most Africans see being mixed as something undesirable, a pollution of sorts & nothing to be envious of. Sometimes I'm glad I was born in this continent cause most of us dont have identity crises & are proud of our ancestry. So those who think to be a full human you need admixture in your dna are pitiful.
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Well, I don't know, mix blood is what it is. Different strokes for different folks.
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Posted by starlover
I am going to stop posting now....as soon as i saw
Life is NOT about happiness ~
I realised there is no point in taking part in this debate

Life is about having fun, enjoying, learning and being as HAPPY as one can, if
not, what is the damn point ~ we are a long time dead
*~*~*


This is why people fail to understand. Happiness is fleeting thing.
To live life for the sole sake of "happiness" one must be able to appreciate it.
The only way to truly appreciate happiness is by enduring much sorrow.
Again, happiness is but a whisp in the wind like unto chasing the rainbow and
not seeing the world around you. - that's wasting a life. not living it.
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Posted by WaterCup
Posted by MrFirebird
What everyone has to remember is that the US is the melting pot of a thousand different cultures, ideas, and ideals of all sorts divided ten thousand ways.
It should NOT be surprising that there are going to be clashes. It's like everyone having their own idea what color a house should be painted. Everyone thinking their own idea is best. Well, you can imagine what will happen when the first person says "I don't like that color, I like this color".
See my point?
Many black people have no problem with the color of their skin, on the other hand, many don't like the color of their skin, nor their ancestral slave heritage. It bothers them.
Some have chosen to believe they had native american blood in them and it turned out not being the case.
< width="560" height="315" ="
That clip reflective of how some black people feel.
The people that riot do NOT represent ALL black people. What they DO represent, are the one's who
chose not to keep their cool and play the fool. Every color has their bad apples. - that I recognize.
A fascinating science is DNA Geneology. Methods, standards and DNA charts, may have yet to be fully developed, but still fascinating, nevertheless.
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This actually makes me very sad, I've noticed it's common among American blacks to claim or be proud of having "white blood", or anything else as long as it's not black. Some claim to be 15% white & that pure blacks ie. Africans are jealous of their white side. LOL! So untrue. Most Africans see being mixed as something undesirable, a pollution of sorts & nothing to be envious of. Sometimes I'm glad I was born in this continent cause most of us dont have identity crises & are proud of our ancestry. So those who think to be a full human you need admixture in your dna are pitiful.


Well, I don't know, mix blood is what it is. Different strokes for different folks.

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I get that, but nobody is jealous of it like some mixed folks tend to think.
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Posted by xygeneration
Well see that's the trouble right there ^
"Most Africans see being mix as something undesirable"
Its the same thought as the oppressor.



Indeed.
What is the saying? one man's junk is another man's treasure.
MLK talked about the mountaintop - he was borrowing from Moses. "I HAVE SEEEEN THE PROMISLAND!"
I am of the impression that many black folks who revere MLK, have forgotten his words and his message and have use them as political punchlines.
Whereas Abraham Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation and the persons of the slaves were set free, how is it that for some the mind remains enslaved, while for others the mind is free?

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Posted by MrFirebird
Posted by starlover
I am going to stop posting now....as soon as i saw
Life is NOT about happiness ~
I realised there is no point in taking part in this debate

Life is about having fun, enjoying, learning and being as HAPPY as one can, if
not, what is the damn point ~ we are a long time dead
*~*~*



This is why people fail to understand. Happiness is fleeting thing.
To live life for the sole sake of "happiness" one must be able to appreciate it.
The only way to truly appreciate happiness is by enduring much sorrow.
Again, happiness is but a whisp in the wind like unto chasing the rainbow and
not seeing the world around you. - that's wasting a life. not living it.



YES i get that! I have experienced immense sorrow in my life and
that is why i now dedicate my life to being HAPPY, not being racist
or homophobic, not wishing harm to people etc etc.
I am not entirely in agreement that happiness is but a whisp though,
as these days i feel very happy a lot of the time
Some people enjoy being miserable and brainwashed you know? It takes great
courage to stand apart, not be controlled and feel inner happiness
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"It takes great courage to stand apart, not be controlled and feel inner happiness"
And this, I do.
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However, many people chase after things they think will make them happy only to discover
that such was a candle in the wind.
Mind you, that "happiness today" "may" turn to sorrow, tomorrow.
Troubles and hardships are for strengthening and preparation but also for chastisement
and conviction. It's how we deal with them, which dictates whether we be disciplined.
I see happiness the way an employee would see a lunch break. Then it's back to work.



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Posted by xygeneration
Well see that's the trouble right there ^
"Most Africans see being mix as something undesirable"
Its the same thought as the oppressor.



It is what it is. Africans believe in spirits (ancestors) & it is believe that the ancestors get cross at those with westernised views (Eurocentrics) & will unleash their wrath on those who turn their backs on their roots. Which is why so many Africans still practise age old/ "outdated" traditions to appease & connect to the long gone. It's an African way. But it doesnt mean one should not befriend people of other races, but those who procreate with people of other races are honestly frowned upon due to the reasons above.
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Posted by MrFirebird
What everyone has to remember is that the US is the melting pot of a thousand different cultures, ideas, and ideals of all sorts divided ten thousand ways.
It should NOT be surprising that there are going to be clashes. It's like everyone having their own idea what color a house should be painted. Everyone thinking their own idea is best. Well, you can imagine what will happen when the first person says "I don't like that color, I like this color".
See my point?
Many black people have no problem with the color of their skin, on the other hand, many don't like the color of their skin, nor their ancestral slave heritage. It bothers them.
Some have chosen to believe they had native american blood in them and it turned out not being the case.
< width="560" height="315" ="
That clip reflective of how some black people feel.
The people that riot do NOT represent ALL black people. What they DO represent, are the one's who
chose not to keep their cool and play the fool. Every color has their bad apples. - that I recognize.
A fascinating science is DNA Geneology. Methods, standards and DNA charts, may have yet to be fully developed, but still fascinating, nevertheless.
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That's because many "Black" Americans are indigenous to this land. Were here before the European stepped on these shores.
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Posted by WaterCup
Posted by xygeneration
Well see that's the trouble right there ^
"Most Africans see being mix as something undesirable"
Its the same thought as the oppressor.



It is what it is. Africans believe in spirits (ancestors) & it is believe that the ancestors get cross at those with westernised views (Eurocentrics) & will unleash their wrath on those who turn their backs on their roots. Which is why so many Africans still practise age old/ "outdated" traditions to appease & connect to the long gone. It's an African way. But it doesnt mean one should not befriend people of other races, but those who procreate with people of other races are honestly frowned upon due to the reasons above.


Yes and there are similarities on view of white and black people then. Other race too.
So no one is really helping to move forward. Ive heard what you said before and its not just whites or Africans.
Any race could have been superior then and everyone else inferior. It just so happened that someone became in power first. If it was flipped around, im guessing it would have been the same thing.
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I disagree with your last part, but I'll just leave it there.
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Posted by MrFirebird
What everyone has to remember is that the US is the melting pot of a thousand different cultures, ideas, and ideals of all sorts divided ten thousand ways.
It should NOT be surprising that there are going to be clashes. It's like everyone having their own idea what color a house should be painted. Everyone thinking their own idea is best. Well, you can imagine what will happen when the first person says "I don't like that color, I like this color".
See my point?
Many black people have no problem with the color of their skin, on the other hand, many don't like the color of their skin, nor their ancestral slave heritage. It bothers them.
Some have chosen to believe they had native american blood in them and it turned out not being the case.
< width="560" height="315" ="
That clip reflective of how some black people feel.
The people that riot do NOT represent ALL black people. What they DO represent, are the one's who
chose not to keep their cool and play the fool. Every color has their bad apples. - that I recognize.
A fascinating science is DNA Geneology. Methods, standards and DNA charts, may have yet to be fully developed, but still fascinating, nevertheless.
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That's because many "Black" Americans are indigenous to this land. Were here before the European stepped on these shores.

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Blacks as in African-Americans or Indians? I know America has a different definition of what a black person is.
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Posted by LunarMaiden
Posted by MrFirebird
What everyone has to remember is that the US is the melting pot of a thousand different cultures, ideas, and ideals of all sorts divided ten thousand ways.
It should NOT be surprising that there are going to be clashes. It's like everyone having their own idea what color a house should be painted. Everyone thinking their own idea is best. Well, you can imagine what will happen when the first person says "I don't like that color, I like this color".
See my point?
Many black people have no problem with the color of their skin, on the other hand, many don't like the color of their skin, nor their ancestral slave heritage. It bothers them.
Some have chosen to believe they had native american blood in them and it turned out not being the case.
< width="560" height="315" ="
That clip reflective of how some black people feel.
The people that riot do NOT represent ALL black people. What they DO represent, are the one's who
chose not to keep their cool and play the fool. Every color has their bad apples. - that I recognize.
A fascinating science is DNA Geneology. Methods, standards and DNA charts, may have yet to be fully developed, but still fascinating, nevertheless.
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That's because many "Black" Americans are indigenous to this land. Were here before the European stepped on these shores.



Blacks as in African-Americans or Indians? I know America has a different definition of what a black person is.
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The Black folks you see walking down the street everyday. There is no such animal called African-American. When Europeans came to America they saw Black people among the indigenous tribes. Many Native-American tribes were Black.
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Posted by WaterCup
Posted by LunarMaiden
Posted by MrFirebird
What everyone has to remember is that the US is the melting pot of a thousand different cultures, ideas, and ideals of all sorts divided ten thousand ways.
It should NOT be surprising that there are going to be clashes. It's like everyone having their own idea what color a house should be painted. Everyone thinking their own idea is best. Well, you can imagine what will happen when the first person says "I don't like that color, I like this color".
See my point?
Many black people have no problem with the color of their skin, on the other hand, many don't like the color of their skin, nor their ancestral slave heritage. It bothers them.
Some have chosen to believe they had native american blood in them and it turned out not being the case.
< width="560" height="315" ="
That clip reflective of how some black people feel.
The people that riot do NOT represent ALL black people. What they DO represent, are the one's who
chose not to keep their cool and play the fool. Every color has their bad apples. - that I recognize.
A fascinating science is DNA Geneology. Methods, standards and DNA charts, may have yet to be fully developed, but still fascinating, nevertheless.
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That's because many "Black" Americans are indigenous to this land. Were here before the European stepped on these shores.



Blacks as in African-Americans or Indians? I know America has a different definition of what a black person is.


The Black folks you see walking down the street everyday. There is no such animal called African-American. When Europeans came to America they saw Black people among the indigenous tribes. Many Native-American tribes were Black.
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That's interesting. As for the African-American thing, I'm calling it as I've heard other people (from America) call themselves..if it doesnt exist then why are people calling themselves
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So who's really African?


Us born in Africa, black or white. But in Africa in general, when you say "African", it means a black person.
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Posted by starlover
I am not so sure culture can be totally lost. Where i live, there are many races, the very nation that robbed ireland of its land live in harmony with their *victims*. Ireland is a country of huge culture and we carry it on regardless of inter-racial marriages. I feel the intent and the sentiment not to forget your culture, will, in some way keep it very much alive
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That's very nice & so much like my country in that, both robber & victim live (or at least try to live) in harmony. Few interracial relationships do exist, but mostly between blacks & Asians..many people are still not comfortable being with/seen with whites due to our country's history. It doesnt mean there're no black/white couples thou, but its very much frowned upon more than the other groups. I know 1 girl who is married to a white guy from Europe & they have 3 kids. When people comment on her kids, she lies & tell them that her husband is Indian to avoid major disapproval.
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FYI, I am part Caddo. No, it's not a famous tribe like the Cherokee, Apache, Sioux, Navajo, but, nevertheless, a tribe of the First Nation.

First of all, we must all understand that inasmuch as the Europeans came to America, so too, the African came to America. (America being the Western Hemisphere, known today as North America, Central America and South America). Due to the slave trade, the white man brought over to this continent, people from the various tribes of the African continent. Not all Africans are Black. Consider the Ancient Egyptians: There has been a debate that the Ancient Egyptians were black, not unlike assertions that there was a group of Black Native American (I DO acknowledge various skin tones and anatomical bone structures in both debates).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Indians_in_the_United_States
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egyptian_race_controversy
In both instances, the perception of Native American and the Ancient Egyptians appear to be thought of
most noble, held in high regard by certain people. Depending on who you talk to.
Were there interacial marriages and breeding? indeed, there has been. The people of ancient Egypt may
well have been the product of interacial relationships between semitic and ethiopian peoples. - research would be necessary - But in both cases, why are these debates so important to some and not to others??? Now, we enter into the realms of psychology, social studies, history and the like.
Personal identity crisis being the driving force behind both debates?
One must dig deep, be impartial and not be shallow-minded. Approach must not be from emotional, but
from the rational. In other words, IF a black man cannot stand the color of his skin, torn in an identity crises, he might look to the native american and attempt to adopt him as part of his heritage
without substantial proof backing up his claim.
There's NO telling what drives him to do it, unless we impartially research and scrutinize the evidence objectively and honestly.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Indians_in_the_United_States
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egyptian_race_controversy
What do those two debates have in common????
Could it be insecurity driving those debates?
Obama and I have a few things in common.

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