Obamacare..lol

I tried to tell people ... they refused to listen.

Stupid is as stupid does

It was only a matter of time. I did the opposite, kept my mouth shut and decided to watch the demise.

*disclaimer* I didn't vote for Bush and I didn't vote for Obama

Call it instinct or brains😢

Posted by LetltB

lol...I just noticed the 2 Trillion mg 😄

I am curious about this. Why are people against universal care --or for it?

As a Canadian, we have universal care. I always thought we were lucky in that sense. We also have the option of going private if we have insurance.

Posted by CluelessCancer
i don't know why its funny that for once the government might be trying to be more progressive, we need universal healthcare.

I guess my sarcasm and seeking humor in spending trillions on an epic failure is much better than what I really would like to see happen. It sucks when you live in a country with a bunch of ignorant sheep who think as the media directs them to.😢

I'm looking for a leader who knows what the definition of what CHANGE is and acts on it.

Posted by aquapiscescusp
I am curious about this. Why are people against universal care --or for it?

As a Canadian, we have universal care. I always thought we were lucky in that sense. We also have the option of going private if we have insurance.

It's simple: Those against universal healthcare CORPORATE AMERICA
The greedy slimey bastards who pay greedy slimey politicians to keep it out.

Posted by aquapiscescusp
I am curious about this. Why are people against universal care --or for it?

As a Canadian, we have universal care. I always thought we were lucky in that sense. We also have the option of going private if we have insurance.

This is a pretty good article on the issue, from Forbes.



"If Americans were truly being forced off of their existing insurance plans

—that they like— and into better and more affordable ones, the outcry would

be minimal.


But that isn't what's happening.


People are being forced into inferior and costlier plans."

Posted by P-Angel

I tried to tell people ... they refused to listen.

Stupid is as stupid does

Ditto.

(sigh)

Follow the money...

Top Contributors, 2013-2014
Contributor Amount
New York Life Insurance $ 851,389
AFLAC Inc $ 638,770
Blue Cross/Blue Shield $ 588,055
National Assn of Insurance & Financial Advisors $ 566,400
Indep Insurance Agents & Brokers/America $ 505,000
USAA $ 428,771
Assn for Advanced Life Underwriting $ 409,450
MetLife Inc $ 347,200
Northwestern Mutual $ 304,235
Council of Insurance Agents & Brokers $ 295,167
Massachusetts Mutual Life Insurance $ 277,475
Liberty Mutual $ 274,286
National Assn of Health Underwriters $ 247,350
Travelers Companies $ 237,500
American Council Of Life Insurers $ 217,100
Property Casualty Insurers Assn/America $ 212,600
Genworth Financial $ 193,920
National Assn/Mutual Insurance Companies $ 185,500
Cigna Corp $ 168,940
Pacific Life Insurance $ 163,250

...and the big boys PHARMACEUTICALS..just ahead of the Insurance Industry

Industry Total
Pharmaceuticals/Health Products $ 2,736,536,143
Insurance $ 1,917,937,669
Electric Utilities $ 1,798,769,183
Business Associations $ 1,566,710,966
Computers/Internet $ 1,500,422,588
Oil & Gas $ 1,473,325,316
Misc Manufacturing & Distributing $ 1,253,512,679
Education $ 1,249,411,486
Hospitals/Nursing Homes $ 1,161,400,581
TV/Movies/Music $ 1,137,803,605
Securities & Investment $ 1,091,004,285
Civil Servants/Public Officials $ 1,089,990,427
Real Estate $ 1,061,515,651
Health Professionals $ 1,033,651,263
Air Transport $ 975,803,645
Misc Issues $ 834,389,251
Automotive $ 791,736,213
Telephone Utilities $ 760,260,329
Telecom Services & Equipment $ 755,669,991
Health Services/HMOs $ 715,824,792

Follow the money...is always the answer

Posted by aquapiscescusp

As a Canadian, we have universal care.

Yeah, and your government medical program is so astoundingly wonderful that your people flee Canada every single day to get medical help from free enterprise systems in the USA.

Your average Joe's wait time for medical help is 19 weeks in Canada per your own Census people.

"An estimated 42,173 Canadians left their homeland in 2012 to seek medical treatment elsewhere. This is a decrease from the 46,159 Canadians who fled the country in 2011 for medical treatment."

Sources:

http://www.fraserinstitute.org/uploadedFiles/fraser-ca/Content/research-news/research/articles/leaving-canada-for-medical-care-2011-ff0712.pdf<BR>
http://www.fraserinstitute.org/uploadedFiles/fraser-ca/Content/research-news/research/publications/waiting-your-turn-2011.pdf<BR>
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/42000-fled-canadian-health-system-last-year#.UoY5hyfNnpQ<BR>

NO it's all about profit and contributions the corporate america way...

Lobbying=Corporations feeding all politicians below them

Posted by ScorpioFish

Posted by aquapiscescusp

As a Canadian, we have universal care.

Yeah, and your government medical program is so astoundingly wonderful that your people flee Canada every single day to get medical help from free enterprise systems in the USA.

Your average Joe's wait time for medical help is 19 weeks in Canada per your own Census people.

"An estimated 42,173 Canadians left their homeland in 2012 to seek medical treatment elsewhere. This is a decrease from the 46,159 Canadians who fled the country in 2011 for medical treatment."

Sources:

http://www.fraserinstitute.org/uploadedFiles/fraser-ca/Content/research-news/research/articles/leaving-canada-for-medical-care-2011-ff0712.pdf<BR>
http://www.fraserinstitute.org/uploadedFiles/fraser-ca/Content/research-news/research/publications/waiting-your-turn-2011.pdf<BR>
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/42000-fled-canadian-health-system-last-year#.UoY5hyfNnpQ<BR>

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I don't know about those statistics, I am going on the people around me, family, friends, coworkers, etc. I have never heard anyone fleeing anywhere for treatment. Never. I had to get an MRI a few weeks ago and I was worried about the wait. Within 4 days, I had one. We hear different things, I keep hearing Americans are constantly crossing over to get "free" care. BTW, I am not here to argue, I was curious about what Americans thought and not the government or statistics.

Posted by P-Angel

I tried to tell people ... they refused to listen.

Stupid is as stupid does

Yeah! Where are the ones I argued with on here a year ago?

Posted by Montgomery

Posted by aquapiscescusp
I am curious about this. Why are people against universal care --or for it?

As a Canadian, we have universal care. I always thought we were lucky in that sense. We also have the option of going private if we have insurance.

This is a pretty good article on the issue, from Forbes.



"If Americans were truly being forced off of their existing insurance plans

—that they like— and into better and more affordable ones, the outcry would

be minimal.


But that isn't what's happening.


People are being forced into inferior and costlier plans."

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Thanks, I will have a look...

Posted by aquapiscescusp

Posted by ScorpioFish

Posted by aquapiscescusp

As a Canadian, we have universal care.

Yeah, and your government medical program is so astoundingly wonderful that your people flee Canada every single day to get medical help from free enterprise systems in the USA.

Your average Joe's wait time for medical help is 19 weeks in Canada per your own Census people.

"An estimated 42,173 Canadians left their homeland in 2012 to seek medical treatment elsewhere. This is a decrease from the 46,159 Canadians who fled the country in 2011 for medical treatment."

Sources:

http://www.fraserinstitute.org/uploadedFiles/fraser-ca/Content/research-news/research/articles/leaving-canada-for-medical-care-2011-ff0712.pdf<BR>
http://www.fraserinstitute.org/uploadedFiles/fraser-ca/Content/research-news/research/publications/waiting-your-turn-2011.pdf<BR>
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/42000-fled-canadian-health-system-last-year#.UoY5hyfNnpQ<BR>

I don't know about those statistics, I am going on the people around me, family, friends, coworkers, etc. I have never heard anyone fleeing anywhere for treatment. Never. I had to get an MRI a few weeks ago and I was worried about the wait. Within 4 days, I had one. We hear different things, I keep hearing Americans are constantly crossing over to get "free" care. BTW, I am not here to argue, I was curious about what Americans thought and not the government or statistics.

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The data in my sources is posted by the Canadian Government.

It's not like I pulled it out of a rabbit hole, it's your own government acknowledging this reality, not just me.

Seraph, what percent do Canadians pay in taxes? Don't yall pay about 40% of your salary to taxes? (I think I heard that one time, correct me if I'm wrong) Is that how your healthcare system is funded? If not, please inform me. I'd like to learn.

Perhaps if the idiots in Washington would set it up like Canada, it would work. I do think a lot of Americans don't understand how your healthcare system works and there are a lot of misconceptions here of your healthcare system (myself included). But, what they're trying to do here, isn't fixing the problem. In fact, its going to make things worse.

I work in healthcare and so far, I see the negative impact it's having on our healthcare system.

I also remember studying how people faught against the Medicare system and now we couldn't imagine it not being there.

Posted by P-Angel

I tried to tell people ... they refused to listen.

Stupid is as stupid does

yup!

Posted by truecap
Seraph, what percent do Canadians pay in taxes? Don't yall pay about 40% of your salary to taxes? (I think I heard that one time, correct me if I'm wrong) Is that how your healthcare system is funded? If not, please inform me. I'd like to learn.

Perhaps if the idiots in Washington would set it up like Canada, it would work. I do think a lot of Americans don't understand how your healthcare system works and there are a lot of misconceptions here of your healthcare system (myself included). But, what they're trying to do here, isn't fixing the problem. In fact, its going to make things worse.

I work in healthcare and so far, I see the negative impact it's having on our healthcare system.

I also remember studying how people faught against the Medicare system and now we couldn't imagine it not being there.

Oh, yeah.

As if Americans are going to be cool with slashing half their pay so the government can have it.

This 0bamacare disaster makes me laugh at all the rats running from Der Kenyan.

It's like watching rats scurry from a sinking ship.

2014 is gonna be a fun election year to watch.

I still think free choice and competition amongst insurance companies to keep prices down is the best way to go. I don't want the government making my decisions for me.

We were promised if you had an insurance plan you liked, you could keep it. Lots of these plans are being canceled by the insurance companies. That way, they can come up with a plan that pays less and charge more for it.

We have to pay a tax penalty for not having health insurance. I don't think the government should force this upon us. And where does that tax go?

And our government leaders are EXEMPT from Obamacare. Why shouldn't they be held to the same standards as we are?

Posted by seraph
Canada has had universal healthcare for decades. And it works. It works so well that our concern is simply maintaining the robustness of its funding, and we have *rejected* privatized healthcare.

Granted, the existing system was not necessarily *good* either; esp when you consider the ridiculous mandates imposed by each state.

In a perfect world, they would permit insurance to be purchased across state lines which would bring about true competition.

The insurance companies and the drug companies have, and will continue to be (via Obamacare), the primary beneficiaries here.

Posted by truecap
I still think free choice and competition amongst insurance companies to keep prices down is the best way to go. I don't want the government making my decisions for me.

We were promised if you had an insurance plan you liked, you could keep it. Lots of these plans are being canceled by the insurance companies. That way, they can come up with a plan that pays less and charge more for it.

We have to pay a tax penalty for not having health insurance. I don't think the government should force this upon us. And where does that tax go?

And our government leaders are EXEMPT from Obamacare. Why shouldn't they be held to the same standards as we are?

Because our government overlords do not view We The People as equals.

They view us as PEASANTS, and they view themselves as Imperial Greatness.

The sooner you stop voting democrat, the better.

Rand Paul has dropped hints this week that he is interested in running for President in 2016.

The dream would be to see Rand Paul and Ted Cruz run against Hillary! in 2016.

What a fun showdown that would be to behold.

My favorite is that evil bitch from HHS, Kathleen Sebelius.

Holy shit, she gives Hillary! a run for her money in terms of ice-cold ruthlessness.

Keep in mind she's the same bitch who said, "Some will live, and some will die" under this new socialist medical program.

Thanks for posting Seraph. I read those and it's very imformative. So 8% of your salary goes to healthcare funding alone.

Okay Americans, are you prepared to add an additional 8% taken out of your paycheck? We have roughly 20% taken out now, how would you feel about 28-30% being taken off the top?

I also saw where they are debating the affordability and sustainability of your current healthcare system.

Posted by ScorpioFish

Posted by truecap
I still think free choice and competition amongst insurance companies to keep prices down is the best way to go. I don't want the government making my decisions for me.

We were promised if you had an insurance plan you liked, you could keep it. Lots of these plans are being canceled by the insurance companies. That way, they can come up with a plan that pays less and charge more for it.

We have to pay a tax penalty for not having health insurance. I don't think the government should force this upon us. And where does that tax go?

And our government leaders are EXEMPT from Obamacare. Why shouldn't they be held to the same standards as we are?

Because our government overlords do not view We The People as equals.

They view us as PEASANTS, and they view themselves as Imperial Greatness.

The sooner you stop voting democrat, the better.

Rand Paul has dropped hints this week that he is interested in running for President in 2016.

The dream would be to see Rand Paul and Ted Cruz run against Hillary! in 2016.

What a fun showdown that would be to behold.

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Oh, hun, I didn't mean to misrepresent. I vote Republican all the way! I try to be open minded to the other side and open to learning, but I'm 100% republican.

Posted by truecap
Thanks for posting Seraph. I read those and it's very imformative. So 8% of your salary goes to healthcare funding alone.

Okay Americans, are you prepared to add an additional 8% taken out of your paycheck? We have roughly 20% taken out now, how would you feel about 28-30% being taken off the top?

America will soon see what Greece is witnessing with Golden Dawn.

Decent and hard-working people will tolerate horseshit for only so long before there is revolt.

Whether it's in the voting booth or in the streets, the concept of taking liberty and money away from people who deserve/earn it will be responded to....

One way or another, the working people will respond.

Another favorite moment in this whole socialized medicine disaster is the way our Emperor went on TV yesterday and said that he will "allow" people to go back to their old insurance policies.

Yeah.

A sitting "President" will allow us to do things as he sees fit.

Folks, the half-Kenyan isn't a President.

He has more in common with Castro than he does with Washington.

Posted by ellessque
I want to know who was actually affected?

I hear all the nonsense on tv....but it's not easy wading through it to get real facts.

Has anyone here been negatively affected by this?

Did you have to change your plan or was your plan cancelled?

For me, I've not been affected at all. I have healthcare through my employer and they pay the premiums. It's catastrophic insurance at best....as my deductible is $ 5000 (my sons are still on it, thanks to the change in law)....but I have some nifty new preventatives that I don't have to pay for anymore.

If I want better....I can have it. I can pay a premium and then have a smaller deductible.

I'm not really thinking about changing what I have. *shrugs*

My cousin has a small business and he got notified by the insurance carrier that supplies his plan for his employees that they could no longer carry the same plan. They offered an alternative plan, but the cost is astronomical. Triple what he was paying, so he can no longer carry insurance for his employees.

Posted by seraph

Posted by ScorpioFish

Folks, the half-Kenyan isn't a President.

You can fly into a mad rage at the very thought of him if that suits you, but leave race (and sneaky little allusions to it) out of the debate.

He was born in the United States. It makes him American, regardless of his ancestry. And by every law of your land, he *is* President, and he has not acted illegally.

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It's not about race, it's about National Origin.

Barack Hussein Obama's daddy was a 100% Kenyan Citizen.

His momma was a whore from Kansas.

That means he is half-American and half-Kenyan by bloodline.

So, he is a half-Kenyan.

Posted by CluelessCancer

Posted by truecap
Thanks for posting Seraph. I read those and it's very imformative. So 8% of your salary goes to healthcare funding alone.

Okay Americans, are you prepared to add an additional 8% taken out of your paycheck? We have roughly 20% taken out now, how would you feel about 28-30% being taken off the top?

Yes I'm willing. WE're funding WARS aren't we? WE're giving welfare monies to the RICH, why not help Americans.

this is why i can't tolerate people like you. ME ME ME selfish individuals.

& SF i'd rather die than date a man like you. You are not even in my MeNTAL SPHERE . rEal talk.

you're a donkey. A backwards donkey. I'm progressive.

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You are also an idiot who is part of the voting block that is responsible for the systematic genocide of the black race.

Keep in mind that it is YOUR PROGRESSIVE BUDDIES whom advocate, finance and militantly support the abortion clinics in the USA.

These abortion clinics are responsible for killing more black babies than anything else in the USA.

It is your vote that emboldens them in this cause.

Posted by CluelessCancer
america is full of idiots, why i need to marry a Canadian or Australian, cause when all shit fails, i need an exit.

But then you won't be able to vote for American Progressives who are killing black babies.

What will you do then?

Hey Dickbreath,

He's a de facto half-Kenyan.

Deal with it.

Posted by seraph

Posted by ScorpioFish

Posted by CluelessCancer

Posted by truecap
Thanks for posting Seraph. I read those and it's very imformative. So 8% of your salary goes to healthcare funding alone.

Okay Americans, are you prepared to add an additional 8% taken out of your paycheck? We have roughly 20% taken out now, how would you feel about 28-30% being taken off the top?

Yes I'm willing. WE're funding WARS aren't we? WE're giving welfare monies to the RICH, why not help Americans.

this is why i can't tolerate people like you. ME ME ME selfish individuals.

& SF i'd rather die than date a man like you. You are not even in my MeNTAL SPHERE . rEal talk.

you're a donkey. A backwards donkey. I'm progressive.

You are also an idiot who is part of the voting block that is responsible for the systematic genocide of the black race.

Apart from the fact that your genocide claim is completely nuts, weren't you her friend just a few days ago?

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It's because I said something she didn't like.

Clueless can always go back to her home country that she's so proud of if she wanted to.

Apart from the fact that your genocide claim is completely nuts, weren't you her friend just a few days ago?

Dickbreath,

I know you cannot handle the facts of this discussion on ANY LEVEL, so I see that you are again resorting to personal rifts now.

As usual, discussing ANYTHING with you is a waste of time since ad-hom is the only way you move if you don't try to censor/delete the discussion altogether.

But, now that you have made it personal, allow me to respond.

If you were driving 60 MPH in your POS car and you crashed into the back of a large garbage truck....

Would it make any improvement on that face of yours?

Posted by ScorpioFish

Posted by seraph

Posted by ScorpioFish

Folks, the half-Kenyan isn't a President.

You can fly into a mad rage at the very thought of him if that suits you, but leave race (and sneaky little allusions to it) out of the debate.

He was born in the United States. It makes him American, regardless of his ancestry. And by every law of your land, he *is* President, and he has not acted illegally.

It's not about race, it's about National Origin.

Barack Hussein Obama's daddy was a 100% Kenyan Citizen.

His momma was a whore from Kansas.

That means he is half-American and half-Kenyan by bloodline.

So, he is a half-Kenyan.

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You're really quite stupid aren't you.

My colors are red, white and blue! 😉

im just anticipating the day when americas debt issue comes to a head..republicans really dont give a shit about the long term issue of the situation..greed will eventually be the downfall of this country

Posted by truecap

And our government leaders are EXEMPT from Obamacare. Why shouldn't they be held to the same standards as we are?

Wait... This is true?

Posted by NotYourAverageAquarius

Posted by truecap

And our government leaders are EXEMPT from Obamacare. Why shouldn't they be held to the same standards as we are?

Wait... This is true?

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Absolutely.

If there has been a change in that, it's quite recent.

Wow how long are we as a country going to sit back and let those kind of double standards fly?

I swear we are a country full of sheep afraid to stand up for ourselves.

If everyone keeps this up I'm seriously going to consider a career in politics out of self preservation.

Posted by CluelessCancer

Posted by truecap
My colors are red, white and blue! 😉

don't lie, it's money green.

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Hahahahaha!!!

Posted by ScorpioFish

Posted by aquapiscescusp

Posted by ScorpioFish

Posted by aquapiscescusp

As a Canadian, we have universal care.

Yeah, and your government medical program is so astoundingly wonderful that your people flee Canada every single day to get medical help from free enterprise systems in the USA.

Your average Joe's wait time for medical help is 19 weeks in Canada per your own Census people.

"An estimated 42,173 Canadians left their homeland in 2012 to seek medical treatment elsewhere. This is a decrease from the 46,159 Canadians who fled the country in 2011 for medical treatment."

Sources:

http://www.fraserinstitute.org/uploadedFiles/fraser-ca/Content/research-news/research/articles/leaving-canada-for-medical-care-2011-ff0712.pdf<BR>
http://www.fraserinstitute.org/uploadedFiles/fraser-ca/Content/research-news/research/publications/waiting-your-turn-2011.pdf<BR>
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/42000-fled-canadian-health-system-last-year#.UoY5hyfNnpQ<BR>

I don't know about those statistics, I am going on the people around me, family, friends, coworkers, etc. I have never heard anyone fleeing anywhere for treatment. Never. I had to get an MRI a few weeks ago and I was worried about the wait. Within 4 days, I had one. We hear different things, I keep hearing Americans are constantly crossing over to get "free" care. BTW, I am not here to argue, I was curious about what Americans thought and not the government or statistics.

The data in my sources is posted by the Canadian Government.

It's not like I pulled it out of a rabbit hole, it's your own government acknowledging this reality, not just me.

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Again, I don't care about statistics or wherever they come from. I am talking about REAL experiences. MINE. I guess you would rather believe numbers... go right ahead.

Posted by NotYourAverageAquarius

Posted by truecap

And our government leaders are EXEMPT from Obamacare. Why shouldn't they be held to the same standards as we are?

Wait... This is true?

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Yes. The half Kenyan punk exempted himself and most of the democrats in congress and the senate from it. Union thug bosses exempt too

Posted by seraph

Posted by ScorpioFish

Folks, the half-Kenyan isn't a President.

You can fly into a mad rage at the very thought of him if that suits you, but leave race (and sneaky little allusions to it) out of the debate.

He was born in the United States. It makes him American, regardless of his ancestry. And by every law of your land, he *is* President, and he has not acted illegally.

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The portion I have bolded is false, although perhaps not with regard to his adventures in healthcare.