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the title was "racist white gurls speak on "illegals"...but for whatever reason it didn't post
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WHAT a couple of idiots. Straight up. Whites weren't here first either. Ladies and gentleman, your tax dollars at work for YOU.
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Oh dear!! D=
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Wooooow, really?
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the sad thing is that its a LOT of people that think like them in this country..they just don't post it on youtube
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Posted by aliennation
Posted by DAMEN VI
the sad thing is that its a LOT of people that think like them in this country..they just don't post it on youtube


"a lot" does not = majority.
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well, it's almost 200 million white people in america..so "a lot" could easily be 10 million..and im being modest
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Posted by aliennation
Posted by DAMEN VI
Posted by aliennation
Posted by DAMEN VI
the sad thing is that its a LOT of people that think like them in this country..they just don't post it on youtube


"a lot" does not = majority.


well, it's almost 200 million white people in america..so "a lot" could easily be 10 million..and im being modest


You really think 1 out of 20 white people are raving racists? And that's being "modest?" Please cite your source. And no, your ass is not a valid source.
Mind you, that's not really my point. My point is, that for reasons unrelated to race (instead, the economy, etc), many people including myself support stronger border protection. My point was that ranting and raving psychos are going to detract would-be supporters of border protection by causing them to equate the position to racism. I don't really think that's fair.
It shouldn't be about race at all - the point is, some of us DON'T support illegal immigration (and would like to limit migration period, at least temporarily in this economy) - however statistically, most illegal aliens come from Mexico or another Latin American country. The vast majority, in fact. So while politically incorrect, it's simply efficient to admit to needing to concentrate on safeguarding the Mexican border. (http://www.migrationinformation.org/Feature/display.cfm?ID=208)
However, when people see videos like this, they're going to think that we just don't like burritos and rolled r's.
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its not fair,huh?? well, im pretty sure the original americans felt the same way
and yes, this is all about race/ethnicity, because it definetly wouldn't be as big of an issue if it was a bunch of polish or irish people hopping over a fence to come here..
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There's two points worth mentioning here imo.
One, IF the girls are serious, they have an entirely different perspective on illegal immigrants than most other people do in the country.
Two, This is supposed to be a country of laws...that in itself is enough to deport all of em' and all call it good. Principles are important.
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Posted by ellessque
....and who is to say that if the world was borderless everyone would come to the US?
I would be the first to burn my passport and hop on a jet plane.


Its unfortunate that I served six years and a combat tour to protect the liberties of someone such as yourself. Could go to the middle east? May enjoy it there!
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@Elle,
I do think its awesome that your expressing your rights. The first amendment isn't important because it protects "agreeable" opinions. Its protected so that the unpopular ones can be expressed.
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Posted by ellessque
Posted by aliennation
@ ellesque
OK, let's say they do contribute SS revenue to the government that can't be reclaimed. That's still not enough to offset the expenditures specifically for illegal aliens (http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/87xx/doc8711/12-6-Immigration.pdf).
And guess what? American citizens don't just vanish into thin air! You end up not only with positions being filled aliens, leaving citizens unemployed and needing public assistance...you drive down the cost of labor as well (due to the established expectation of cheaper labor, thanks to aliens who are willing to accept it), which reduces the standard of living altogether throughout the industry/market.



all this happened in the early 90's when they figured out they would NEVER be able to pay for the baby boomers once they retired. they never thought far enough ahead to think about the residuals.
who do you think is PAYING for all of our social programs? Not us!
why do you think we are being handed all these grants and funding for higher education. our colleges/universities/tech schools are the only establishments that REQUIRE proper documentation to get federal aid. obviously they are trying to establish another lower class. it's all ass backwards.
the cost of labor being driven down is NOT because of illegal immigrants...it's global trade. that's another topic. something is DEAD wrong when corporations are given tax breaks to OUTSOURCE manufacturing.
our country is shifting. this wasn't a recession. it was a restructure. a social and economic restructure.
....and one more note and i HAVE to effin go to sleep or i'll be shit tomorrow at work Tongue
don't think for one second that those immigration laws will pass in arizona. it is NOTHING but a diversion from the fucked up arizona gun laws that are so shady they AID the cartel in mexico. who else is going to keep our drug programs in business?
if they do ever pass it will be AFTER they legalize weed in at least 10 states and we have that industry up and running AND profitable WITHOUT our justice system business being hit hard in the pockets.
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You don't need documentation to get financial aid. Its established that way to encourage illegals to get smart and become legal.
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Own what? My service to my country? Weird thing to say Tongue
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Of course I volunteered. And it wasn't for anything patriotic...don't get me wrong. I didn't have shit else and was homeless at the time. I grew to love my country after I had seen what poverty really means. Poverty is not a state of being, a state of being implies fluidity.
There are much worse places in the world than the US. I'm not saying this country is perfect but the constitution was designed to be an organic document. 3/5ths compromise is a good example of that. The majority of the founding fathers did not support slavery as it was contradictory to the constitution but the 3/5ths compromise was necessary to unify the south and north under one government. Point is, they knew flaws existed and designed it such that it would improve.
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Posted by ellessque
...and what does your service of my country in the middle east have to do with illegal immigrants?
are you really going there? the terrorist who supposedly ran planes in the towers were here LEGALLY. visa's issued by the same government who deployed you.



It doesn't have anything to do with it directly but, it doesn't stop me from having an opinion.
I have nothing against immigrants themselves. I have a problem with a broken system. The system forces unfair/unjust labor conditions on said immigrants and fucks with the economy. There are positive economical effects but, I don't think it outweighs the negative. Even outside of the economy, it also creates civil unrest. Its not sustainable and something will need to be done about it.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! ^
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The primary difference between the majority of immigrants now, and immigrants 100 years ago is that immigrants from the past wanted to develop something in the united states and keep it there. They wanted to become "true" united states citizens. The majority of immigrants now, have no desire to assimilate. I'm not passing judgement, I'm not even expressing a personal viewpoint-I'm stating the facts.
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Posted by tryandguess
The primary difference between the majority of immigrants now, and immigrants 100 years ago is that immigrants from the past wanted to develop something in the united states and keep it there. They wanted to become "true" united states citizens. The majority of immigrants now, have no desire to assimilate. I'm not passing judgement, I'm not even expressing a personal viewpoint-I'm stating the facts.



OMG *shakes head*

You might as well post a similar youtube video like those two silly girls.
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I think she means more insular communities. But cripes is it any small wonder they'd want to retain sense of self? Pride in heritage, where they come from. Hang onto the familiar when you feel completely adrift? I'd be crapping right up the back of my velour yoga trousers if I were uprooted ( even at my own choice ) into a place where I didn't know the language, all the faces were so very different from my own, etc. Life changing stuff that.
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What I want to know, which one is talikg? they aint got any backbone hiding behind a silhouette turn the light up. I bet its three guys dressed as women. I think their the types of people if they got caught would cry "we are not racist, it was the drugs talking".
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Posted by ellessque
Posted by tryandguess
The primary difference between the majority of immigrants now, and immigrants 100 years ago is that immigrants from the past wanted to develop something in the united states and keep it there. They wanted to become "true" united states citizens. The majority of immigrants now, have no desire to assimilate. I'm not passing judgement, I'm not even expressing a personal viewpoint-I'm stating the facts.


how could you possibly back up that statement?
immigrants 100 years ago cannot possibly be interviewed for us to know any different. we know what we are told and what we read.
have you ever sat down with a current immigrant and asked them their personal viewpoint, dreams and aspirations.
believe me, they aren't any different from you or I and want the same thing for them and their families.
what do you mean by assimilate? not want to give up their culture? we are a nation that tries to celebrate people's differe ces and try, awkwardly so, to be politically correct.
plus....if you are constantly looked down upon or as "the enemy" you will tend to stay amongst people you can relate to the most, which are those that look, speak and have similar socioeconomics. that's just human nature.
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It's obvious common knowledge. And, yes immigrants are different from me.
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A nation is defined by it's borders. Cry about it.
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They pay minimal if any taxes is the point. They don't pay property taxes which impacts the quality of local schools. They don't pay income tax because its mostly under the table wages. Most of them don't pay any medical bills because "X" person is not traceable after they leave the hospital. In addition to these things there are costs associated with any punitive actions. It costs money to jail people and ICE does a terrible job at getting criminals out of the country. Oh yeah, ICE costs money and man-power too.
One thing that needs to be considered here which I haven't seen mentioned yet. Can you blame them for leaving and fleeing to the US? If I was a parent and living in Mexico...I would try to gain entry into the US as well.
The system is broken and it stays broken because people profit from it. A lot of the illegal immigrants are subject to inhuman labor regulations on the job site but nothing can be done about it because they technically aren't there. It's cheap labor. Farmers for one, definitely benefit from it. They hire illegal labor to maximize profits and then the produce yielded from these farms gets circulated into programs like TANF and food stamps. The farmers profit and congress profits from the lobbying. I won't even get into drug circulation.
This broken system has been ignored by congress because a lot of money changes hands.
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Posted by tryandguess
The primary difference between the majority of immigrants now, and immigrants 100 years ago is that immigrants from the past wanted to develop something in the united states and keep it there. They wanted to become "true" united states citizens. The majority of immigrants now, have no desire to assimilate. I'm not passing judgement, I'm not even expressing a personal viewpoint-I'm stating the facts.


You're wrong there. SOME of the staunchest opponents of illegal immigrants come from LEGAL immigrants. Consider this before you make assumptions about assimilation.
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Posted by aliennation
grrrrr
*** Because we're so reliant on recouping our loss with it, I suspect that's why many places have seen an increase in sales tax.


I'm inclined to believe that its due to our puritanical roots more so than immigrants. Our "Sin Tax" is a good example of that.
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Having actually taken some time out of my day to watch the video-it's obvious the girls are rude, disrespectful and immature. I'm not a bleeding heart liberal though, I pay my own way and although I fully support aide and programs to help people get on their feet-it's not my responsibility to feed a boat load of other people. What many fail to see is that many boarder police (in other nations) will shoot illegals for even trying to get inside the country. In the united states we don't, and should not do that. While my heart bleeds for those affected by social unrest, famine and terrorism- I cant (as in unable, not as in not wishing to) support people from other places financially more then I already do. Some people will be disrespectful and feel the need to call me a racist, but I know who I am and what I believe. I'm proud of my views, but what does make me sad is that this whole situation is so complex and lacks a more clear resolution.
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Posted by Awakened
Posted by tryandguess
The primary difference between the majority of immigrants now, and immigrants 100 years ago is that immigrants from the past wanted to develop something in the united states and keep it there. They wanted to become "true" united states citizens. The majority of immigrants now, have no desire to assimilate. I'm not passing judgement, I'm not even expressing a personal viewpoint-I'm stating the facts.


You're wrong there. SOME of the staunchest opponents of illegal immigrants come from LEGAL immigrants. Consider this before you make assumptions about assimilation.
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I'm not wrong, I just hold a different point then you do. Get over it.
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Posted by ellessque
you are required to have a birth certificate to get financial aid.
if you do not have a birth certificate from the US you are required to get a student visa.
an illegal immigrant has no means to get a student visa unless they return to their country to get it.
if they return to their country, they are not allowed to return for up to 10 years....depending upon how much they extended their stay. if they jumped the border with no I-94....they are SOL all the way around.


Well they should not HAVE BROKEN THE LAW and jumped the border?! No, I do not support the dream act or any other such nonsense.
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Posted by aliennation
Posted by ellessque
I believe the entire world should be borderless.
Yep, I said it. Big Grin


But it's not. And if everyone else can come to America, but we can't go anywhere else (most other countries do NOT have such easy migration laws as the US does, and we certainly can't plop down in Luxembourg and expect to have our kids educated and our ER care taken care of), there's a bottleneck problem.
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Yes +1
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Posted by MzSagittarius
Posted by aliennation
Posted by ellessque
I believe the entire world should be borderless.
Yep, I said it. Big Grin


But it's not. And if everyone else can come to America, but we can't go anywhere else (most other countries do NOT have such easy migration laws as the US does, and we certainly can't plop down in Luxembourg and expect to have our kids educated and our ER care taken care of), there's a bottleneck problem.


And think of how many people would love to live in the "Land of the free"... We'd probably make up half the world's population if that were the case Tongue
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Posted by ellessque
Posted by aliennation
But it's not. And if everyone else can come to America, but we can't go anywhere else (most other countries do NOT have such easy migration laws as the US does, and we certainly can't plop down in Luxembourg and expect to have our kids educated and our ER care taken care of), there's a bottleneck problem.


the illegal immigrants are NOT the reason for our expensive healthcare and piss poor education system, they are simply a scapegoat and a diversion to our real problems.
i worked as an immigration liason several years ago, had my own office. ..
it's no different than racism in America....of which that shit is STILL working to keep us from working together.
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I do actually agree with you that illegals are often wrongly scapegoated for more complex issues.
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Posted by aquaj
Posted by aliennation
@ ellesque
So your main argument for opposing border protection is that the governmment can "profit" off exploiting them in ways they really shouldn't (yet whom they end up unwittingly and indirectly paying for even more than that over time anyway, hence the quotes)?
Moreover, it doesn't matter if they're paying fewer taxes. Because there are only a maximum number of job openings, and having MORE people fight for that same number not only doesn't it increase the # of job openings (ie, more employees to tax), it'd logically DECREASE tax revenue, because over time, the competition would drive wages down, and lower wages are taxed less.
As for property tax - first off, let's pretend they could even afford that, rather than just renting. They tend to cohabitate, because it saves money. When you have more people living together, you decrease the number of properties you can tax.
In fact, sales tax is one of the few areas where it does yield revenue in accordance to demand. Because we're so reliant on recouping that loss with it (deficit certainly not just due to illegals, but not helped).
But generally, tax revenue isn't had according to the demand increased by illegals. But expenditures are. The more of their kids that need school, the higher the expense. The more of them needing ER service, financial assistance, public resources, use of public goods...etc. Get the picture?
So, just because they're equipped to pay taxes, doesn't mean they actually pay enough to offset the cost of having them, as detailed in an article that I linked.



Right, so it's a very legitimate question we are essentially asking: what are these magical taxes that illegals pay? Because it's not property taxes. And it's not income taxes, either.
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I checked my calendar and wouldn't you know it..... IT WAS TIME FOR ANOTHER ONE OF THESE THREADS.
Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin
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Ha ha
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Not exactly an Oscar clip. I think Edward Norton did it better, lol

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I'm sorry, I think that's a terrible idea.
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Noooooo to land mines! Another terrible idea! I respect life wayyyyy too much to wish any person harm;(
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<"`dbk`e.
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Posted by enfant_terrible
Not exactly an Oscar clip. I think Edward Norton did it better, lol



that was awesome.
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Little girls playing with daddy's camera. They probably wanted to impress some boys.
"go back to Mexico, get your green card and come back"
Sounds like some stupid little girl nonsense. This would never be said in front of a real Mexican person. Hence the grainy video.
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<"`dbk`e.
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So y'all also subscribe to the death penalty and abortion then?
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Posted by Awakened
So y'all also subscribe to the death penalty and abortion then?



NO
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Posted by aliennation
Posted by tryandguess
Noooooo to land mines! Another terrible idea! I respect life wayyyyy too much to wish any person harm;(


There'd be a shit load of warnings, in every language.
Everywhere.
"DO NOT PROCEED. YOUR DEATH FOLLOWS."
"DANGER, LAND MINES"
"NO, SERIOUSLY. DO NOT PROCEED, YOU'LL DIE."
"PLEASE! WE DON'T WANT YOU TO DIE, TURN BACK"
"I'M NOT KIDDING, ONE MORE STEP AND---"
"RIP"
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No offense, but are you really a vegan?
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Posted by Awakened
So y'all also subscribe to the death penalty and abortion then?


yes and yes. death penalty-an eye for an eye.
abortion-if you arent for abortion, then you are against an individuals born rights. as far as people who are against abortion, they are too caught up in their emotional justification to realize that they are playing the role of a dictator.
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Well, the whole point of being vegan is respecting life:/ so you kinda got me there. I'm not in favor of the death penalty, abortion yes, but only in cases of medical need or rape. Dont have sex if you're not able to handle the possible results.
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An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind
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Also, you not post signs about the land mines because in doing so you assume everyone is literate. People living in poverty face the highest illeratcy rates.
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Ugh,...you could**
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Wooow. This is why the world basically thinks Americans are stupid. People like that should be sent somewhere off to a glacial ice cap.
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