Riots and Policy Change

This topic was created in the Miscellaneous forum by Aria1 on Monday, June 1, 2020 and has 14 replies.
Riots are destructive, dangerous, and scary — but can lead to serious social reforms.

https://www.vox.com/2015/4/30/8518681/protests-riots-work

"Historians and experts argue that these types of riots aren't random acts of violence or people taking advantage of dire circumstances to steal and destroy property. They are, instead, a serious attempt at forcing change after years of neglect by politicians, media, and the general public".


What changes would you like to see?
Some decent articles I've found on rioting...

Discusses popular myths around the structure of riots from the standpoint of social psychology, going beyond just the basic understanding that rioting is a result of long-standing social oppression/discontent:

https://theconversation.com/the-psychology-of-riots-and-why-its-never-just-mindless-violence-125676

Good/brief debate between a philosopher and historian around whether or not riots can be a positive catalyst in democratic society:

https://newint.org/sections/argument/2014/06/01/are-riots-good-for-democracy

Some good points made both pro and con, but I think probably the biggest negative from my POV, and brought up in the article, is that the behavior of people in riots is often seen as justification for, and even necessitating, use of extreme/violent measures on the part of law enforcement to regain control, and even oversight/mishaps on their part can be overlooked or "understood" given the extreme stress/chaos of the circumstances. I think in this case, when the protest is actually around outrage over excessive violence on the part of law enforcement in the first place, a case could be made that the riots are particularly counterproductive to the protests, and will serve to "remove the legitimacy of genuine political grievances before the rest of the public." I think a lot of people not already sympathetic to the social issues see the arson, rioters throwing bricks at police, often lump the protesters and rioters together, and for fear that things might get so out of control and eventually jeopardize their own safety, are probably hoping that authorities use more extreme measures to restore order more quickly.



Posted by Aria1

Riots are destructive, dangerous, and scary — but can lead to serious social reforms.

https://www.vox.com/2015/4/30/8518681/protests-riots-work

"Historians and experts argue that these types of riots aren't random acts of violence or people taking advantage of dire circumstances to steal and destroy property. They are, instead, a serious attempt at forcing change after years of neglect by politicians, media, and the general public".


What changes would you like to see?
Yeah right....you really believe anything in that quote, you are extremely gullible and naive.
Posted by peachy06

No more privileges for the riches.

Governements need to stop getting away with everything.

Equalities in everything, for everybody.

No more wars.

Free Scotland, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Tibet, etc.
So if I have worked hard all my life, made prudent, sensible, financially responsible and intuitive decisions and lived my life conservatively to become a millionaire, what type of privileges would you like me to be deprived of?

I'll wait....
Posted by xy_sigh

Global petition to end police brutality forcing politicians to sign a new policy stating new changes in regards to public safety.
Liberals vote for these politicians in these blue state, big cities, and they have control over the police commissioners and unions. The managers of those people in charge are the ones that should get the responsibility for the systemic failure.

Your blue state, liberal progressive utopias have failed ALL minorities for 50+ years, but they keep voting for the democratic fools that have zero answers.

Ponder that.
Posted by Scheherazade

Are you talking about protests or riots? because things that are technically illegal can be a non-violent form of protest.
Either-or.

Posted by sagaciouscorp
Posted by Logger
Posted by xy_sigh

Global petition to end police brutality forcing politicians to sign a new policy stating new changes in regards to public safety.


Liberals vote for these politicians in these blue state, big cities, and they have control over the police commissioners and unions. The managers of those people in charge are the ones that should get the responsibility for the systemic failure.

Your blue state, liberal progressive utopias have failed ALL minorities for 50+ years, but they keep voting for the democratic fools that have zero answers.

Ponder that.

I. What states are the racism running rampid

Red states! No?
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You changed the subject, but I understand why you did. Nice try.

The dumb phuck cop sitting on George's neck was in super liberal, progressive, Utopian Minneapolis. I guess you haven't seen the news lately?
Posted by peachy06
Posted by Logger
Posted by peachy06

No more privileges for the riches.

Governements need to stop getting away with everything.

Equalities in everything, for everybody.

No more wars.

Free Scotland, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Tibet, etc.


So if I have worked hard all my life, made prudent, sensible, financially responsible and intuitive decisions and lived my life conservatively to become a millionaire, what type of privileges would you like me to be deprived of?

I'll wait....


For exemple tax evasion, or if you commit any crime, you must be punished like the rest of us.
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I have a conscience, which means I can't sleep at night if my taxes are done incorrectly. I don't own a business.

I use Turbo Tax Elite to make sure I don't make any mistakes - even though the fact that I have to pay a GD service to understand the tax law is FASCIST! I made a simple mistake 3 years ago and got audited by the state.....it netted them $ 29...I WAS OWED! All that angst to find out I overpaid by $ 29.
More people with more guns please. Specifically assault rifles.

Anyone can burn and steal some shit. If you want real change you need the power of God.
Posted by peachy06

No more privileges for the riches.

Governements need to stop getting away with everything.

Equalities in everything, for everybody.

No more wars.

Free Scotland, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Tibet, etc.
Scotland voted. They did not want independence.
I don’t believe that changes in policy or having an independent police watchdog agency oversee police institutions would bring about positive change for the minority and black individuals.

What is more important is changing your negative views on black individuals that will be more effective, and in turn make policy changes more effectual.
Posted by Logger
Posted by peachy06

No more privileges for the riches.

Governements need to stop getting away with everything.

Equalities in everything, for everybody.

No more wars.

Free Scotland, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Tibet, etc.


So if I have worked hard all my life, made prudent, sensible, financially responsible and intuitive decisions and lived my life conservatively to become a millionaire, what type of privileges would you like me to be deprived of?

I'll wait....
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A millionaire is not rich. That’s chump change to the truly wealthy. Aka the 1%
Posted by LadyNeptune
Posted by Logger
Posted by peachy06

No more privileges for the riches.

Governements need to stop getting away with everything.

Equalities in everything, for everybody.

No more wars.

Free Scotland, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Tibet, etc.


So if I have worked hard all my life, made prudent, sensible, financially responsible and intuitive decisions and lived my life conservatively to become a millionaire, what type of privileges would you like me to be deprived of?

I'll wait....


A millionaire is not rich. That’s chump change to the truly wealthy. Aka the 1%
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You're preaching to the choir boy.

It's all a matter of perspective.

Try to convince most of the people on the LEFT that a millionaire is not rich.