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Should veils be banned from public places?
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Posted by CluelessCancer
Next time write it out "Should Veils be banned in public places in the U.K"
I don't want Racists specifically the worst racists on earth Americans spilling their vitriol on matters they don't even understand.
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Posted by XXMR2NICEXX
Certain roles require faces to be seen; so pupils should be able to meet their teachers face to face, and juries should be able to see a witness give evidence.
We are expected to follow the rules of the countries we live in and their institutions.Why should observant Muslim women be exempt from this expectation?
The veil has been called a symbol of oppression, as such, the state should not aid and abet its use.
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Dude no way this is a rule of the UK, the USA, or any other western country to my knowledge?
No, they shouldn't.
For some it's about their religious beliefs and they should be allowed to dress according to that.
For some it's about their religious beliefs and they should be allowed to dress according to that.
Posted by CluelessCancer
Next time write it out "Should Veils be banned in public places in the U.K"
I don't want Racists specifically the worst racists on earth Americans spilling their vitriol on matters they don't even understand.
Clueless your a nob.
There are a quite a few women on USA campuses in full veils, and no one notices until it comes time to take an exam where it's necessary to be photographed or to verify ID.
Posted by Damnata
No, they shouldn't.
For some it's about their religious beliefs and they should be allowed to dress according to that.
If I go to a muslim country you have to follow their rules and beliefs the same should apply in another country.
I??ll suggest that you leave this alone..
Veil is something profoundly belongs to the person of faith no matter type of religion.
As you say by your ever growing ignorance Certain roles require faces to be seen; so pupils should be able to meet their teachers face to face, and juries should be able to see a witness give evidence.
Aside from the religious/cultural/traditional commitments, Veil also being used to protect the wearer personal problems, it covers facial or head/scalp deformations, some may have injuries either by accidents or being victims of wars or even acid attacks??_!
Stay away from this idiotic topics??_
Veil is something profoundly belongs to the person of faith no matter type of religion.
As you say by your ever growing ignorance Certain roles require faces to be seen; so pupils should be able to meet their teachers face to face, and juries should be able to see a witness give evidence.
Aside from the religious/cultural/traditional commitments, Veil also being used to protect the wearer personal problems, it covers facial or head/scalp deformations, some may have injuries either by accidents or being victims of wars or even acid attacks??_!
Stay away from this idiotic topics??_
Nobody has ever asked a woman or man entering a bank or supermarket to remove a surgical mask, especially in the flu season or if the person has a health issue. Nobody would dare ask a person to remove his or her surgical mask in public, on a bus, or in a classroom. Your first thought is the person is protecting an immune system issue.
Posted by XXMR2NICEXXPosted by Damnata
No, they shouldn't.
For some it's about their religious beliefs and they should be allowed to dress according to that.
If I go to a muslim country you have to follow their rules and beliefs the same should apply in another country.click to expand
Freedom of religion should apply in most countries. No one is asking you to wear a veil in a muslim country, they might look funny at you but that doesn't amount to anything.
I'm half-Muslim if that's even possible lol. Christian mother & a Muslim father. In my house we were never made to wear a veil, because it's not about the outside but the inside. The only thing that matters is loving/believing in your God... with your heart. Your deeds should show this, as well.
Many of the Muslim women I know are rotten to the core but hide it behind a veil. Why choose to show your religious beliefs with something so insignificant as a veil when your insides are that of a non-believer? That's what I ask myself when I observe some "religious" people.
Many of the Muslim women I know are rotten to the core but hide it behind a veil. Why choose to show your religious beliefs with something so insignificant as a veil when your insides are that of a non-believer? That's what I ask myself when I observe some "religious" people.
Posted by WaterCup
I'm half-Muslim if that's even possible lol. Christian mother & a Muslim father. In my house we were never made to wear a veil, because it's not about the outside but the inside. The only thing that matters is loving/believing in your God... with your heart. Your deeds should show this, as well.
Many of the Muslim women I know are rotten to the core but hide it behind a veil. Why choose to show your religious beliefs with something so insignificant as a veil when your insides are that of a non-believer? That's what I ask myself when I observe some "religious" people.
To some, it can seem intimidating. To others, it is outdated and oppressive
I don't see what the big deal is Micheal Jackson covered his kids faces up in public wherever they went.
There are Facebook statuses that say "Ban the burqa" and it disgusts me??_.you can't just rip someones culture away from them especially when they are brought up in that particular culture its sacred and has a lot to do with the community as well as the religion. What is the world coming to if you can't wear a veil out in public??_.its just more stupid laws and upset people.
I would make it an offence to drive with a burqa for obvious reasons??_
and enter banks, schools and airports...
I think over time and generations living in a community where there are more opportunities presented to you when you show your face they will make some different choices and have different expectations when rearing kids.
I think they look cool like mystical ninja wizards
There are Facebook statuses that say "Ban the burqa" and it disgusts me??_.you can't just rip someones culture away from them especially when they are brought up in that particular culture its sacred and has a lot to do with the community as well as the religion. What is the world coming to if you can't wear a veil out in public??_.its just more stupid laws and upset people.
I would make it an offence to drive with a burqa for obvious reasons??_
and enter banks, schools and airports...
I think over time and generations living in a community where there are more opportunities presented to you when you show your face they will make some different choices and have different expectations when rearing kids.
I think they look cool like mystical ninja wizards
Posted by XXMR2NICEXXPosted by WaterCup
I'm half-Muslim if that's even possible lol. Christian mother & a Muslim father. In my house we were never made to wear a veil, because it's not about the outside but the inside. The only thing that matters is loving/believing in your God... with your heart. Your deeds should show this, as well.
Many of the Muslim women I know are rotten to the core but hide it behind a veil. Why choose to show your religious beliefs with something so insignificant as a veil when your insides are that of a non-believer? That's what I ask myself when I observe some "religious" people.
To some, it can seem intimidating. To others, it is outdated and oppressiveclick to expand
Personally, I don't see the point of wearing a veil if it's only for religious purpose. Today I see it as a tool for jealous men to control their wives with, especially when it comes to wearing a burqa.
veils are stupid.
Posted by XXMR2NICEXX
Certain roles require faces to be seen; so pupils should be able to meet their teachers face to face, and juries should be able to see a witness give evidence.
1. According to who?
2. When did it become a requirement to see someone's face when your only role is to learn/listen (e.g pupil/jury)...blind people seem to do just fine and they do not see people's faces.
3. Just because seeing someones face is a preference, does not mean it is required to complete every job. Especially not the ones you used.
Posted by XXMR2NICEXX
We are expected to follow the rules of the countries we live in and their institutions. Why should observant Muslim women be exempt from this expectation?
I am not familiar with the "rules" of UK institutions, but does it state that someone's face must be seen to teach, listen or pass judgement on a jury? Genuine question.
Posted by XXMR2NICEXX
The veil has been called a symbol of oppression, as such, the state should not aid and abet its use.
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Called a symbol of oppression by who? The women that wear it, or other societies that do not follow this practice?
Unless a veil makes the job being performed dangerous for the person and the public, I'm not seeing the issue other than one culture trying to dictate the behaviour of a group of people.
Posted by xcakePosted by WaterCup
I'm half-Muslim if that's even possible lol. Christian mother & a Muslim father. In my house we were never made to wear a veil, because it's not about the outside but the inside. The only thing that matters is loving/believing in your God... with your heart. Your deeds should show this, as well.
Many of the Muslim women I know are rotten to the core but hide it behind a veil. Why choose to show your religious beliefs with something so insignificant as a veil when your insides are that of a non-believer? That's what I ask myself when I observe some "religious" people.
Mm.. I'm sure not everyone?
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I said the ones I know. And it's funny because the ones who are true to their faith don't even bother to wear veils or attend mosque. They just pray at home & attend to business as usual.
If this is pissing people off I'll remove the thread.
It's just a debate that's going in the U.K.
It's just a debate that's going in the U.K.
God to me personally is wherever I want him to be. I can talk to, praise him while sleeping in the bed by myself. The rest is just formality imo.
Posted by xcake
That's true WC. I guess it all depends on how we take the teachings of our religion. What is good/benefits us.
Indeed.
Posted by XXMR2NICEXX
If this is pissing people off I'll remove the thread.
It's just a debate that's going in the U.K.
For fucks sake its just a debate let the other people have their say
Posted by The_eleventh_sign_11Posted by XXMR2NICEXX
If this is pissing people off I'll remove the thread.
It's just a debate that's going in the U.K.
For fucks sake its just a debate let the other people have their sayclick to expand
I don't want users attacking I'm not a racist.
Why on earth should it matter what a culture wears? Aren't whities tired of being the Borg after all these centuries? Sheeeesh.
Posted by XXMR2NICEXXPosted by The_eleventh_sign_11Posted by XXMR2NICEXX
If this is pissing people off I'll remove the thread.
It's just a debate that's going in the U.K.
For fucks sake its just a debate let the other people have their say
I don't want users attacking I'm not a racist.
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Well hunny I don't know if anyone has actually told you but...you are??_.at least own up to it and make this thread more interesting.
at the end of the day everyones a little bit racist.
Posted by The_eleventh_sign_11Posted by XXMR2NICEXXPosted by The_eleventh_sign_11Posted by XXMR2NICEXX
If this is pissing people off I'll remove the thread.
It's just a debate that's going in the U.K.
For fucks sake its just a debate let the other people have their say
I don't want users attacking I'm not a racist.
Well hunny I don't know if anyone has actually told you but...you are??_.at least own up to it and make this thread more interesting.
at the end of the day everyones a little bit racist.click to expand
I read about it in the news paper its the government who want veils banned.
Posted by LadyOfRebirthPosted by WaterCupPosted by xcakePosted by WaterCup
I'm half-Muslim if that's even possible lol. Christian mother & a Muslim father. In my house we were never made to wear a veil, because it's not about the outside but the inside. The only thing that matters is loving/believing in your God... with your heart. Your deeds should show this, as well.
Many of the Muslim women I know are rotten to the core but hide it behind a veil. Why choose to show your religious beliefs with something so insignificant as a veil when your insides are that of a non-believer? That's what I ask myself when I observe some "religious" people.
Mm.. I'm sure not everyone?
I said the ones I know. And it's funny because the ones who are true to their faith don't even bother to wear veils or attend mosque. They just pray at home & attend to business as usual.
You know I see a lot of non practising believers say this and tbh most if the times they say it to feel better about themselves. I'm not practising myself but most of the women here in the UK that wear a full veil are very good hearted and educated individuals. Idk it might be different down in SA. I do agree though that it has to come from your heart first and foremost.click to expand
It could either be that or the fact that it wasn't made such a big deal at home while growing up. IDK. I just go with my heart. LOL, I know & attract a lot of bad individuals so it could be just me experiencing all the ugly. It's not just Muslim women, though. Most of humanity sucks imho.
Posted by LilyTree
Regardless of claimed religious beliefs and/or affiliations, all human beings are capable of being "rotten to the core."
Only God knows truly what lies within a person's heart.
It's more notieable though when a person appears to be religious. Like when priests molest kids. Maybe it's because we don't expect that from people of "cloth".
Posted by xcake
Is there a diference in how a Shia and Sunni dresses?
Not to my understanding, but they do pray different.
Posted by XXMR2NICEXXPosted by CluelessCancer
Next time write it out "Should Veils be banned in public places in the U.K"
I don't want Racists specifically the worst racists on earth Americans spilling their vitriol on matters they don't even understand.
Clueless your a nob.
There are a quite a few women on USA campuses in full veils, and no one notices until it comes time to take an exam where it's necessary to be photographed or to verify ID.
I'm pretty sure for a photo ID you will ALWAYS have to remove the veil. Where are you getting this from?
Posted by XXMR2NICEXX
Nobody has ever asked a woman or man entering a bank or supermarket to remove a surgical mask, especially in the flu season or if the person has a health issue. Nobody would dare ask a person to remove his or her surgical mask in public, on a bus, or in a classroom. Your first thought is the person is protecting an immune system issue.click to expand
This just sounds like another assumption... I highly doubt no matter who or what your health condition may or may not be.. In a bank they are going to want to see your face. Sorry but I can't fathom that one.
Posted by CluelessCancer
Where? They don't wear veils in America, so what country are you talking about?
NOT SO! I've seen many veiled women in the U.S. over the past 10 years or so!
Posted by CluelessCancer
I don't give a fuk about the U.K tho. I'm an American.
You talk about vitriol. It's your favorite word. You're filled with it.
Posted by XXMR2NICEXX
If I go to a muslim country you have to follow their rules and beliefs the same should apply in another country.
This depends on the country, but strict Muslim countries do indeed require this of all women including those who are not Muslim.
Posted by XXMR2NICEXX
If this is pissing people off I'll remove the thread.
It's just a debate that's going in the U.K.
It's an interesting thread and worthy of discussion.
Posted by XXMR2NICEXXPosted by Damnata
No, they shouldn't.
For some it's about their religious beliefs and they should be allowed to dress according to that.
If I go to a muslim country you have to follow their rules and beliefs the same should apply in another country.click to expand
I don't see how you could possibly compare the two. Most western countries do not impose religious beliefs on their citizens like how a middle eastern Islamic country would?
Posted by xcakePosted by WaterCupPosted by xcake
I thought of converting to Islam before.
That was years ago.
What stopped you?
I broke up with my ex.
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😢 He missed out on a great girl 🙂
Posted by xcakePosted by WaterCupPosted by xcakePosted by WaterCupPosted by xcake
I thought of converting to Islam before.
That was years ago.
What stopped you?
I broke up with my ex.
😢 He missed out on a great girl 🙂
Aww you're too kind WC, but I think we are simply not meant for each other.
It was a very, unearthly relationship.
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Is it the Scorgian or someone else?
Posted by CluelessCancerPosted by SpiceNSugarPosted by CluelessCancer
I don't give a fuk about the U.K tho. I'm an American.
You talk about vitriol. It's your favorite word. You're filled with it.
Go fuk yourself hoe, i've seen how you slyly been hating on me, probably pm'ing mr. desperate thousands of pms, if you don't like me block me. don't read me bytch!click to expand
You are so funny. Why don't you block me like you block everyone else that you CLAIM to be blocking? Ms. VITRIOL.
I actually don't have a problem with you but YOU have a problem with nearly everyone. According to you everyone is a Bytch, Ho, and should go kill themselves. 🙂
Posted by CluelessCancerPosted by SpiceNSugarPosted by CluelessCancer
Where? They don't wear veils in America, so what country are you talking about?
NOT SO! I've seen many veiled women in the U.S. over the past 10 years or so!
and so? what's your point. Are you one of these racists too who thinks you should impose your will on others. Why don't you stop wearing your ugly face? Help the rest of us out.click to expand
I actually have no problem whatsoever with Muslims. I've traveled to many Muslim countries and have MANY Muslim friends. How many Muslim countries have you been to Ms. VITRIOL—
I'm not a hater. You are. Who attacked whom? You're the one calling me a Ho', bytch, etc.
I only called you MS. VITRIOL, which is what you are.
I only called you MS. VITRIOL, which is what you are.
Posted by CluelessCancerPosted by SpiceNSugar
I'm not a hater. You are. Who attacked whom? You're the one calling me a Ho', bytch, etc.
I only called you MS. VITRIOL, which is what you are.
Well in my opinion you're a ho and a bytch! So there. That's what you are. Stop following me around. Damn are you really that thirsty for mr. Desperates balls that you're picking up for him? Really. I hope you choke on em. Ho! Bytch!
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HA HA HA!!!!!!!!! You are so laughable. Bytch. Ho. Don't you have any other words in your vocabulary? Apparently NOT.
Posted by XXMR2NICEXX
Clueless your a nob.
There are a quite a few women on USA campuses in full veils, and no one notices until it comes time to take an exam where it's necessary to be photographed or to verify ID.
Veils, imo, should have to be removed when doing so is necessary for identification purposes.
One should not be exempt.
In some countries, women are required to wear some kind of covering-- visitors are expected to abide.
It's no different.
Laws are laws, whether imposed via religion or the will of the people.
On a slightly different note:
A Muslim (convert) woman in Florida who refused to be photographed w/o her veil on her drivers license, said this regarding the reason for the veil:
I can't help but wonder whether she is the exception, or the rule. o.O
Posted by CluelessCancer
I did not talk to you. You responded to my post and attacked me. Now if i was a white girl id' go to Duncan and claim your bullying me and it might work, but since im black and since this forum is racist, i can't do that, so i'll have to sit here and deal with your meaningless valueless HO BYTCH AZZ.
damn on superbowl Sunday too. You should really take into consideration what you wrote on that post and do it. Seriously. Wink.
You would still be wrong, even if you were a lovely shade of lavender. 🙂
Posted by Montgomery
I can't help but wonder whether she is the exception, or the rule. o.O
I'm pretty sure this is an exception.
Posted by duchessedenemours
I see women in veils all the time. Tbh, it doesn't bother me at all. I don't want to interfere on someone's cultural practice.
Duchesse, when you say veil are you meaning head-covering only or face as well? Just wanting to clarify.
Since this thread is partly about religion, there's a very creepy "pastor" here in my country that puts people under some kind of spell & make them to eat grass...because some scripture in the Bible talks about something of that nature. His defense is that people should not underestimate the power of God & the things people could do under the influence of the "holy" spirit. The things he does are so scary to me & I don't believe that this is a man of God. In his church, he commands the congregation to walk on, kick & stand on those that have fainted due to the so called holy spirit...just to prove that no injuries could be sustained under God's influence, etc. He can even whisper & tell people from a distance to sleep or do other things & they'll do it...even take a nap in the middle of a busy street. I think he is a sadist tbh.
People go there for all kinds of problems, including relationship ones. To pray for your relationship & make the guy/girl yours, etc. This makes me suspicious because I believe that all true matches are made by God so no amount of praying will make someone yours if they're not your God chosen partner. Anyway, one of my friends is at one of his services tonight. A girl she works with invited her there because she has seen some miracles since going there. They say another couple that goes to that church was given house keys to a beautiful, double-storey by a mere stranger. That was after they've lost their own own due losing their jobs. Again, CREEPY. I think I'll start avoiding this other girl. I don't wanna be associated with weird things.
People go there for all kinds of problems, including relationship ones. To pray for your relationship & make the guy/girl yours, etc. This makes me suspicious because I believe that all true matches are made by God so no amount of praying will make someone yours if they're not your God chosen partner. Anyway, one of my friends is at one of his services tonight. A girl she works with invited her there because she has seen some miracles since going there. They say another couple that goes to that church was given house keys to a beautiful, double-storey by a mere stranger. That was after they've lost their own own due losing their jobs. Again, CREEPY. I think I'll start avoiding this other girl. I don't wanna be associated with weird things.
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