serenidad
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something unsettling about pushing LGBTQ on kids…:/
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Question. Are you equally unsettled by the indoctrination of children into religion?
Follow up question
Do you think men who want to assault women are stopped by a women only restroom sign?
Do you think men who want to assault women are stopped by a women only restroom sign?
Posted by LadyNeptune
Question. Are you equally unsettled by the indoctrination of children into religion?
yes, deeply unsettled. i feel like religion was created to make huge crowds of people more controllable….also making money from hefty donations….or maybe it was created so people could get through hard times or make sense of incomprehensible tragic life events…
Posted by thelittlestars
You feel kids in health class only taught about het sex are being indoctrinated to be straight then?
good point
I find indoctrination of any kind abuse
The woke left are as bad as the fanatical right
Right now there is an unhinged bitch I knew from high school saying her 4 year old child is trans. I would highly doubt that 😒 so fkn creepy.
Kids need to be able to grow up to be who they are going to be without an agenda or a label. It’s just weird and creepy do anything otherwise. 4 year old children don’t need labels.
The world is mad
The woke left are as bad as the fanatical right
Right now there is an unhinged bitch I knew from high school saying her 4 year old child is trans. I would highly doubt that 😒 so fkn creepy.
Kids need to be able to grow up to be who they are going to be without an agenda or a label. It’s just weird and creepy do anything otherwise. 4 year old children don’t need labels.
The world is mad
Posted by LadyNeptune
Follow up question
Do you think men who want to assault women are stopped by a women only restroom sign?
no
Posted by serenidadPosted by LadyNeptune
Question. Are you equally unsettled by the indoctrination of children into religion?
yes, deeply unsettled. i feel like religion was created to make huge crowds of people more controllable….also making money from hefty donations….or maybe it was created so people could get through hard times or make sense of incomprehensible tragic life events…click to expand
You do realize the public school system exists to train children to be easily controllable workers, right?
Do you believe that a parent has the right to choose for their child?
Separation of school, government and church is critical because it removes freedom of religion.
The issue with removing any education related to sex being taught at school, is complete ignorance and through ignorance breed’s misinformation and shame regarding sex. Our boomer parents are a product of that environment, they knew what sex was at a young age but they were ashamed of any bodily functions.
Example: are you their god, it’s me Margaret (book).
Now as times have changed and inclusion is becoming increasingly important, sexual orientation is now more common but it’s not necessarily because it’s more prevalent today…people have always had sexual orientations that differ since the dawn of time. It was just never allowed to be discussed due in large part to religion condemning anyone who didn’t fit the mould and that mould was necessary to increase birth rates= increasing Christians and Catholics, so more donations are made and a larger following is born.
So now in modern times, due to inclusion there are now defined terms of sexuality and through those terms is a level of base understanding of what they mean. It doesn’t mean an identity is being formed for a child, that identity in most children is already there from the age of 4 upwards. Many people who identify as any of the lgbtq are children when they first identify themselves, and many have always been afraid of voicing that due to our culture as a society.
Men have always been gay
Women have always been lesbians
For all we know, Jesus was a travelling gay man that was in a gang and did some weird shit in the desert and did some mushrooms 🍄 with his flock of men…tripping.
Our society bases its values on Christian beliefs and that very ignorance is in your OP.
Children are not being taught sexuality, they’re being included in allowing information about their own beliefs that haven’t been identified yet.
The issue with removing any education related to sex being taught at school, is complete ignorance and through ignorance breed’s misinformation and shame regarding sex. Our boomer parents are a product of that environment, they knew what sex was at a young age but they were ashamed of any bodily functions.
Example: are you their god, it’s me Margaret (book).
Now as times have changed and inclusion is becoming increasingly important, sexual orientation is now more common but it’s not necessarily because it’s more prevalent today…people have always had sexual orientations that differ since the dawn of time. It was just never allowed to be discussed due in large part to religion condemning anyone who didn’t fit the mould and that mould was necessary to increase birth rates= increasing Christians and Catholics, so more donations are made and a larger following is born.
So now in modern times, due to inclusion there are now defined terms of sexuality and through those terms is a level of base understanding of what they mean. It doesn’t mean an identity is being formed for a child, that identity in most children is already there from the age of 4 upwards. Many people who identify as any of the lgbtq are children when they first identify themselves, and many have always been afraid of voicing that due to our culture as a society.
Men have always been gay
Women have always been lesbians
For all we know, Jesus was a travelling gay man that was in a gang and did some weird shit in the desert and did some mushrooms 🍄 with his flock of men…tripping.
Our society bases its values on Christian beliefs and that very ignorance is in your OP.
Children are not being taught sexuality, they’re being included in allowing information about their own beliefs that haven’t been identified yet.
Teaching kids about it is the same as pushing it in them? Kids learn about it anyway in life, maybe teaching in a way that doesn’t bring prejudice, violence towards people is a good thing? Kids play, wear different clothes, say things sometimes for peer pressure or when the don’t understand things fully yet. Wear boys clothes for reasons other than they want to be a boy. Adults shouldn’t assume, they should let children figure themselves out. But teaching about it, I do not see a problem with it. I watched my brother struggle at a time being out was dangerous and not accepted, and my daughter be told she’s transgender when she’s not, live in a progressive town where it was not cool to be straight and all the middle schoolers felt the need to label themselves.. and wear boys clothes to be accepted by the boys because the girls were mean, and cuz they were comfy. Still not transgender. Childhood/teenage years is confusing. There is just so much misunderstanding. Education does not make someone any of those things, but perhaps can help people come from a place of knowledge instead of fear or wrong assumptions.
Posted by serenidadPosted by LadyNeptune
Follow up question
Do you think men who want to assault women are stopped by a women only restroom sign?
no
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So why do you think banning transgendered people from the appropriate bathroom will solve that current problem? Cis straight men are still gonna rape. Police are still gonna not test those rape kits.
Only now you are sending feminine looking trans folks into men’s restrooms to potentially be assaulted or worse. Or insisting that masculine looking trans folks use the women’s restroom. Does that really make you feel safer?
Posted by nanochip
I find indoctrination of any kind abuse
The woke left are as bad as the fanatical right
Right now there is an unhinged bitch I knew from high school saying her 4 year old child is trans. I would highly doubt that 😒 so fkn creepy.
Kids need to be able to grow up to be who they are going to be without an agenda or a label. It’s just weird and creepy do anything otherwise. 4 year old children don’t need labels.
The world is mad
i agree :/
pushing any sort of agenda on kids just causes unnecessary stress and confusion. just let them grow into whoever they wanna be, as long as they’re not harming themselves or harming others.
i’ve seen a few news stories of cases where a person underwent transgender surgery only to realize it was a mistake later on…
Posted by LadyNeptunePosted by serenidadPosted by LadyNeptuneyes, deeply unsettled. i feel like religion was created to make huge crowds of people more controllable….also making money from hefty donations….or maybe it was created so people could get through hard times or make sense of incomprehensible tragic life events…
Question. Are you equally unsettled by the indoctrination of children into religion?
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You do realize the public school system exists to train children to be easily controllable workers, right?click to expand
yes
Posted by serenidadPosted by LadyNeptunePosted by serenidadYou do realize the public school system exists to train children to be easily controllable workers, right?Posted by LadyNeptune
Question. Are you equally unsettled by the indoctrination of children into religion?
yes, deeply unsettled. i feel like religion was created to make huge crowds of people more controllable….also making money from hefty donations….or maybe it was created so people could get through hard times or make sense of incomprehensible tragic life events…
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yes
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So if you are against children being indoctrinated and controlled does that mean we need to ban public schools by your logic?
Posted by LadyNeptune
Do you believe that a parent has the right to choose for their child?
to what extent ?
Posted by Rimzy
Separation of school, government and church is critical because it removes freedom of religion.
The issue with removing any education related to sex being taught at school, is complete ignorance and through ignorance breed’s misinformation and shame regarding sex. Our boomer parents are a product of that environment, they knew what sex was at a young age but they were ashamed of any bodily functions.
Example: are you their god, it’s me Margaret (book).
Now as times have changed and inclusion is becoming increasingly important, sexual orientation is now more common but it’s not necessarily because it’s more prevalent today…people have always had sexual orientations that differ since the dawn of time. It was just never allowed to be discussed due in large part to religion condemning anyone who didn’t fit the mould and that mould was necessary to increase birth rates= increasing Christians and Catholics, so more donations are made and a larger following is born.
So now in modern times, due to inclusion there are now defined terms of sexuality and through those terms is a level of base understanding of what they mean. It doesn’t mean an identity is being formed for a child, that identity in most children is already there from the age of 4 upwards. Many people who identify as any of the lgbtq are children when they first identify themselves, and many have always been afraid of voicing that due to our culture as a society.
Men have always been gay
Women have always been lesbians
For all we know, Jesus was a travelling gay man that was in a gang and did some weird shit in the desert and did some mushrooms 🍄 with his flock of men…tripping.
Our society bases its values on Christian beliefs and that very ignorance is in your OP.
Children are not being taught sexuality, they’re being included in allowing information about their own beliefs that haven’t been identified yet.
i really liked your convincing take/explanation. thanks for thoroughly breaking it down like that. i grew up in a strict household where this sort of stuff just wasn’t talked about much. (sex, lgbtq)
Posted by PuzzlePieces
Teaching kids about it is the same as pushing it in them? Kids learn about it anyway in life, maybe teaching in a way that doesn’t bring prejudice, violence towards people is a good thing? Kids play, wear different clothes, say things sometimes for peer pressure or when the don’t understand things fully yet. Wear boys clothes for reasons other than they want to be a boy. Adults shouldn’t assume, they should let children figure themselves out. But teaching about it, I do not see a problem with it. I watched my brother struggle at a time being out was dangerous and not accepted, and my daughter be told she’s transgender when she’s not, live in a progressive town where it was not cool to be straight and all the middle schoolers felt the need to label themselves.. and wear boys clothes to be accepted by the boys because the girls were mean, and cuz they were comfy. Still not transgender. Childhood/teenage years is confusing. There is just so much misunderstanding. Education does not make someone any of those things, but perhaps can help people come from a place of knowledge instead of fear or wrong assumptions.
true.
so we should just kinda approach this trans/lgbtq thing in schools as an “open discussion” sorta thing rather than anything gloomy or serious like indoctrination.
open discussions are good. 🙂
Posted by serenidadPosted by LadyNeptune
Do you believe that a parent has the right to choose for their child?
to what extent ?
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To all extents. But for the sake of the topic of hand I will rephrase.
Do you believe a parent has the right to choose their children's education and medical treatment?
Since I moved my kid to California and put her in school this topic came up a lot with people around me
We do live in a conservative part of the state, and I know lots of parents that forgo the public school option with this issue being one of their top reasons.
But there are two main misconceptions about this... I will be notified before hand and I can still opt out.
I'm not concerned, because my kid gets her sex education from me. My 5 year old knows what a period is, what happens, and why it happens. She knows that when a man wears makeup, its because god gave "HIM" that body and "HE" can decorate it anyway "HE" wants.
Make no mistake about it, schools are there to indoctrinate your children and push whatever agenda that will turn them to to compliant slaves to power. This specific topic isn't even my biggest concern. Teach your own kids.
We do live in a conservative part of the state, and I know lots of parents that forgo the public school option with this issue being one of their top reasons.
But there are two main misconceptions about this... I will be notified before hand and I can still opt out.
I'm not concerned, because my kid gets her sex education from me. My 5 year old knows what a period is, what happens, and why it happens. She knows that when a man wears makeup, its because god gave "HIM" that body and "HE" can decorate it anyway "HE" wants.
Make no mistake about it, schools are there to indoctrinate your children and push whatever agenda that will turn them to to compliant slaves to power. This specific topic isn't even my biggest concern. Teach your own kids.
Posted by Findingbalance
Teaching as in saying it exists, ok, sure. Hard to avoid knowing about but I don't see a problem with acknowledging it's existence. Chrissy can have two moms and Joey can have two dads and that's OK. Although tbh if no one makes a fuss kids would probably just accept it anyway because they don't know it's something to fuss over unless someone tells them to.
Beyond that, I agree with you.
Aside from the basics of sex, which doesn't belong in young age classrooms, what child should be associating with it? I mean really, if we do away with stereotypes based on chromosomes, it becomes a mute point beyond sex. Johnny wants to wear a dress and Susie plays with toy cars? If we don't say ones a girl thing and ones a boy thing, they're just things, then it doesn't matter at 5 years old. Idk why we got to where women can wear pants but men can't wear high heels (aside from why anyone would want to torture themselves like that lol). Stop worrying about men do this and women do that, acknowledge the basic chromosome differences and move on.
And sorry, but if you've got an outtie, please pee with the other outties.
As for sports, it's evolution that men are typically stronger. Keep it to where your chromosomes say you're on an even playing field
“Although tbh if no one makes a fuss kids would probably just accept it anyway because they don't know it's something to fuss over unless someone tells them to.”
True.
“Johnny wants to wear a dress and Susie plays with toy cars? If we don't say ones a girl thing and ones a boy thing, they're just things, then it doesn't matter at 5 years old. Idk why we got to where women can wear pants but men can't wear high heels (aside from why anyone would want to torture themselves like that lol). Stop worrying about men do this and women do that, acknowledge the basic chromosome differences and move on. “
True. maybe some conservatives think that blurring the lines between male and female and traditional gender roles might lead to an unbalanced, dysfunctional world of some sort ? :/ i dunno. my dad is this type.
he still hasn’t fully accepted that i’m bi (about to marry a guy in the near future) but he said he’ll let me “off the hook” (his words) as long as i’m fulfilling traditional male roles in society.
he says he will disown me if i act like “one of those woke extremists” (again, his words)
(for example, like, shouting from the rooftops that i’m bi, or attending gay pride parades shirtless or waving the rainbow flag at lgbtq protests…)
i wasn’t planning on doing any of those things…i don’t like being in crowded places anyway…and i don’t really like having my business out there…i only tell ppl i’m bi online….not so much in real life…:/
Posted by PuzzlePieces
Teaching kids about it is the same as pushing it in them? Kids learn about it anyway in life, maybe teaching in a way that doesn’t bring prejudice, violence towards people is a good thing? Kids play, wear different clothes, say things sometimes for peer pressure or when the don’t understand things fully yet. Wear boys clothes for reasons other than they want to be a boy. Adults shouldn’t assume, they should let children figure themselves out. But teaching about it, I do not see a problem with it. I watched my brother struggle at a time being out was dangerous and not accepted, and my daughter be told she’s transgender when she’s not, live in a progressive town where it was not cool to be straight and all the middle schoolers felt the need to label themselves.. and wear boys clothes to be accepted by the boys because the girls were mean, and cuz they were comfy. Still not transgender. Childhood/teenage years is confusing. There is just so much misunderstanding. Education does not make someone any of those things, but perhaps can help people come from a place of knowledge instead of fear or wrong assumptions.
Education is as good as the educator is. We have had UK children being taught in school about ways to strangle your partner during sex, masqueraded as sexual education!
Some things are completely unnecessary, if not harmful to know, at an age when their brain is not properly equipped to understand or deal with situation out of the norm.
Posted by alexscariesPosted by serenidad
also, discussions about transgender people being allowed in bathrooms of their preference? (meaning a man can go into a woman’s bathroom if they say they’re transgender…and stuff like that) ?
this seems unsettling to me as well because it could easily be abused by the wrong people with bad intentions….:/
also a man competing as a woman in the woman’s olympics and just strange stuff like that….:/
i wanna hear some thoughts because i might just be overthinking it….:/ ? like, sticking my nose where it doesn’t belong ?:/
No man straight or otherwise wants to hear a woman have a Burrito shit.
I want to be abused by a woman with bad intentions. Hurt me momma.
Athletes have an unfair advantage of naturally good genetics. However even average men have an advantage over women of naturally higher upper body strength and larger amounts of testosterone. I've never seen a female HOD carrier or even a removal woman. I don't think anyone wants to see male and female boxing at Caesar's Palace - female on female jelly wrestling on the other hand.
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You’re too funny lol 😂
Posted by GeminiJim
Little kids want to eat candy for every meal and grow up to be astronauts or race car drivers yet we're supposed to listen seriously when they say they think they are trans because they saw a presentation about it?
I mean, if I went to a school and talked about how exciting it was to be a bricklayer, I guarantee you that by the end of the day there will be a bunch of kids saying they want to be bricklayers 😂
^^^^
This.
@serenidad as a parent, I can see why you're questioning this. I am questioning it too.
I had this very same discussion with my MIL over the weekend. I, too, think its too early to discuss it with kids. I didn't even know what I wanted to do at 21. I heard from my MIL that a school in their town asked 4th graders to write an essay talking about whether as a girl or a boy, they feel like a boy, girl or something else. It didn't sit well with me. That's putting pressure on a child to decide how they feel about themselves at an age when they're just beginning to learn a whole bunch of other things.
Also the toilet thing, the sports thing ... Yup. I don't agree with it either. Why do we have to mix up everything? I don't get it. I personally wouldn't feel comfortable to go in a toilet with a man in there because how would I know that he isn't there for the wrong reasons? And its not going to stop crime by letting them use the toilet. However, it will be another place for another opportunity to feel unsafe.
I had this very same discussion with my MIL over the weekend. I, too, think its too early to discuss it with kids. I didn't even know what I wanted to do at 21. I heard from my MIL that a school in their town asked 4th graders to write an essay talking about whether as a girl or a boy, they feel like a boy, girl or something else. It didn't sit well with me. That's putting pressure on a child to decide how they feel about themselves at an age when they're just beginning to learn a whole bunch of other things.
Also the toilet thing, the sports thing ... Yup. I don't agree with it either. Why do we have to mix up everything? I don't get it. I personally wouldn't feel comfortable to go in a toilet with a man in there because how would I know that he isn't there for the wrong reasons? And its not going to stop crime by letting them use the toilet. However, it will be another place for another opportunity to feel unsafe.
Posted by LadyNeptunePosted by serenidadPosted by LadyNeptuneyesPosted by serenidadPosted by LadyNeptune
Question. Are you equally unsettled by the indoctrination of children into religion?
yes, deeply unsettled. i feel like religion was created to make huge crowds of people more controllable….also making money from hefty donations….or maybe it was created so people could get through hard times or make sense of incomprehensible tragic life events…
click to expand
You do realize the public school system exists to train children to be easily controllable workers, right?
click to expand
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So if you are against children being indoctrinated and controlled does that mean we need to ban public schools by your logic?click to expand
not ban but many things going on in the public school systems right now are due for an overhaul :/
Posted by GeminiJim
Little kids want to eat candy for every meal and grow up to be astronauts or race car drivers yet we're supposed to listen seriously when they say they think they are trans because they saw a presentation about it?
I mean, if I went to a school and talked about how exciting it was to be a bricklayer, I guarantee you that by the end of the day there will be a bunch of kids saying they want to be bricklayers 😂
This.
Posted by Ambra
Last time i kicked someone out of the lady's bathroom. It was a transwoman. I don't care what they do behind doors.
The thing with them is. If you stand for nothing you fall for anything. Even my gay cousin is embarrassed about them. It's too much. That's extremism.
with how things are looking right now, you could possibly get sued for assault or something by the trans woman if you’re not careful. 😢
i think that’s why ppl are hesitant to say anything these days. :/
there’s this weird atmosphere right now…
but yeah, you had every right to feel scared that there was a….guy in the ladies bathroom.
Posted by GeminiJim
Little kids want to eat candy for every meal and grow up to be astronauts or race car drivers yet we're supposed to listen seriously when they say they think they are trans because they saw a presentation about it?
I mean, if I went to a school and talked about how exciting it was to be a bricklayer, I guarantee you that by the end of the day there will be a bunch of kids saying they want to be bricklayers 😂
true.
kids cannot yet fully comprehend the scope of their decisions made on a whim. telling a kid about the options of changing your gender can be harmful for this very reason. it just seems like unnecessary info at their age.
Posted by slug
Of course it's unsettling. Women have every right to be worried right now. Parents have every right to be worried right now. Don't let people shame you for questioning it.
it’s a very sensitive topic so i know it needs to be approached with tact and an open mind…:/
especially with the way things are right now…😢
Posted by LadyNeptunePosted by serenidadPosted by LadyNeptuneto what extent ?
Do you believe that a parent has the right to choose for their child?
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To all extents. But for the sake of the topic of hand I will rephrase.
Do you believe a parent has the right to choose their children's education and medical treatment?click to expand
i’m gonna be honest, i don’t know. :/
i feel like parents should intervene when the child is in danger of some sort.
Posted by UndinePosted by PuzzlePiecesEducation is as good as the educator is. We have had UK children being taught in school about ways to strangle your partner during sex, masqueraded as sexual education!
Teaching kids about it is the same as pushing it in them? Kids learn about it anyway in life, maybe teaching in a way that doesn’t bring prejudice, violence towards people is a good thing? Kids play, wear different clothes, say things sometimes for peer pressure or when the don’t understand things fully yet. Wear boys clothes for reasons other than they want to be a boy. Adults shouldn’t assume, they should let children figure themselves out. But teaching about it, I do not see a problem with it. I watched my brother struggle at a time being out was dangerous and not accepted, and my daughter be told she’s transgender when she’s not, live in a progressive town where it was not cool to be straight and all the middle schoolers felt the need to label themselves.. and wear boys clothes to be accepted by the boys because the girls were mean, and cuz they were comfy. Still not transgender. Childhood/teenage years is confusing. There is just so much misunderstanding. Education does not make someone any of those things, but perhaps can help people come from a place of knowledge instead of fear or wrong assumptions.
Some things are completely unnecessary, if not harmful to know, at an age when their brain is not properly equipped to understand or deal with situation out of the norm.
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Exactly. they’re not equipped to digest this info.
i have to go right now but i will come back and reply to the people i haven’t replied to yet! thank you so much to everyone here for enlightening me and sharing your opinions on a sensitive topic ! i’ll be back in a few hours to reply, sorry ! (T_T)
No worries, they said the same thing about Black People.
Some people think we came here willingly on a cruise ship.
“Let’s do a black history month.”
“Whoa buddy. That may be too much for kids”
Some people think we came here willingly on a cruise ship.
“Let’s do a black history month.”
“Whoa buddy. That may be too much for kids”
Posted by serenidadPosted by LadyNeptunePosted by serenidadPosted by LadyNeptune
Do you believe that a parent has the right to choose for their child?
to what extent ?
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To all extents. But for the sake of the topic of hand I will rephrase.
Do you believe a parent has the right to choose their children's education and medical treatment?
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i’m gonna be honest, i don’t know. :/
i feel like parents should intervene when the child is in danger of some sort.click to expand
Do you believe that you have the right to dictate the medical decisions and education choices that another parent makes on behalf of their child?
There was a post on social media where they hung a rainbow flag at an elementary school instead of the united states flag.
I would rather them teach young kids living skills and about finances, then who they will choose as a partner later on in life.
Just let the kids be kids and keep any political agendas out of elementary schools.
There seems to be too much pressure on young kids in general about everything.
I would rather them teach young kids living skills and about finances, then who they will choose as a partner later on in life.
Just let the kids be kids and keep any political agendas out of elementary schools.
There seems to be too much pressure on young kids in general about everything.
Posted by Lostthoughts
I have yet to read A ACTUAL example of indoctrination of sexuality.
I have read that different sexualities are mentioned. Some people this some people that. Which is completely normal for general sex ed.
Most of what you see in media is actually heavy rhetoric and fear mongering in order to stir up controversy that isn't there.
If you think about it children learning about different sexualities in 5-6 grade doesn't make a difference no matter how you look at it. If you say nothing someone, will still experiment based on their attractions later in life....but with a lot less understanding of what they are doing.
Any history buff outside of grade school education, knows how much LGBTQ stuff has been going on behind closed doors for thousands of years. Honestly it's about time we acknowledge it and deal with this aspect of human nature.
Next time you read about some media controversy, actually take the time to apply some critical thinking about the topic and research the examples they give. You will find quite a lot of bullshit and straight lying.
Most of our news has devolved into tabloid style journalism for ratings and clicks.
P.S. Scratch that, there are still solid examples of sexual indoctrination. Gay conversion camps still around.
Posted by Astrobyn
Since I moved my kid to California and put her in school this topic came up a lot with people around me
We do live in a conservative part of the state, and I know lots of parents that forgo the public school option with this issue being one of their top reasons.
But there are two main misconceptions about this... I will be notified before hand and I can still opt out.
I'm not concerned, because my kid gets her sex education from me. My 5 year old knows what a period is, what happens, and why it happens. She knows that when a man wears makeup, its because god gave "HIM" that body and "HE" can decorate it anyway "HE" wants.
Make no mistake about it, schools are there to indoctrinate your children and push whatever agenda that will turn them to to compliant slaves to power. This specific topic isn't even my biggest concern. Teach your own kids.
i wholeheartedly agree that parents shouldn’t rely solely on schools to teach their kids about important topics that could affect their future. and that it’s up to the parents to help the kids digest, decipher, and analyze all the perplexing information they’re exposed to daily.
Posted by MonaLisa26Posted by serenidadPosted by LadyNeptuneyes, deeply unsettled. i feel like religion was created to make huge crowds of people more controllable….also making money from hefty donations….or maybe it was created so people could get through hard times or make sense of incomprehensible tragic life events…
Question. Are you equally unsettled by the indoctrination of children into religion?
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That is exactly what religion was doing. Keeping people from killing each other while religious fanatics were killed those they found need to be killed.
With LGB…I am SO not sure WTF is that!
It’s growing. And what seemed to be a few becoming a legion!
I believe that most of them are those who couldn’t find love among their opposite sex NOW trying to find acceptance elsewhere…
My biggest concern is that WHY are they even matter? They do NOT procreate. They are USELESS!!! for the future of the humanity they ARE IN FACT USELESS!!!
So now go ahead - tell me I am wrong. I don’t care. One they they will grab your asses and make you procreate for them! As lab rats. I’ll be dead by then. Thanks God!click to expand
“My biggest concern is that WHY are they even matter? They do NOT procreate. They are USELESS!!! for the future of the humanity they ARE IN FACT USELESS!!!”
i’ve seen same sex couples adopting children and raising them in safe, caring environments so i think even if they can’t procreate, they can still offer their love to kids who weren’t fortunate enough to receive it from their own biological parents. :/
i wouldn’t call that useless…:/
i actually wanted a kid at one point but my guy does not (he spent his childhood and teenage years looking after his little cousins, always being asked to babysit and never really had much of a social life or any long lasting freedom.) so he’s not too enthusiastic about going through that again. which is understandable because i went through a similar thing being the oldest of my siblings but we also had a nanny at my house so it wasn’t like i was the only one helping out with my brothers.
however he said we can adopt a dog from a shelter tho 😅
Posted by BaeMaxx
@serenidad as a parent, I can see why you're questioning this. I am questioning it too.
I had this very same discussion with my MIL over the weekend. I, too, think its too early to discuss it with kids. I didn't even know what I wanted to do at 21. I heard from my MIL that a school in their town asked 4th graders to write an essay talking about whether as a girl or a boy, they feel like a boy, girl or something else. It didn't sit well with me. That's putting pressure on a child to decide how they feel about themselves at an age when they're just beginning to learn a whole bunch of other things.
Also the toilet thing, the sports thing ... Yup. I don't agree with it either. Why do we have to mix up everything? I don't get it. I personally wouldn't feel comfortable to go in a toilet with a man in there because how would I know that he isn't there for the wrong reasons? And its not going to stop crime by letting them use the toilet. However, it will be another place for another opportunity to feel unsafe.
“ I heard from my MIL that a school in their town asked 4th graders to write an essay talking about whether as a girl or a boy, they feel like a boy, girl or something else. It didn't sit well with me. That's putting pressure on a child to decide how they feel about themselves at an age when they're just beginning to learn a whole bunch of other things. ”
i agree, making 4th graders write an essay is a bit much :/
would it really hurt to wait until the kids are at least 12 -13 yrs old to start educating ? :/
yeah the toilet thing actually seems to be scaring a lot of women, including one of my best friends. she was voicing her concern about it to me just the other day :/
Posted by FindingbalancePosted by serenidadPosted by Findingbalance“Although tbh if no one makes a fuss kids would probably just accept it anyway because they don't know it's something to fuss over unless someone tells them to.”
Teaching as in saying it exists, ok, sure. Hard to avoid knowing about but I don't see a problem with acknowledging it's existence. Chrissy can have two moms and Joey can have two dads and that's OK. Although tbh if no one makes a fuss kids would probably just accept it anyway because they don't know it's something to fuss over unless someone tells them to.
Beyond that, I agree with you.
Aside from the basics of sex, which doesn't belong in young age classrooms, what child should be associating with it? I mean really, if we do away with stereotypes based on chromosomes, it becomes a mute point beyond sex. Johnny wants to wear a dress and Susie plays with toy cars? If we don't say ones a girl thing and ones a boy thing, they're just things, then it doesn't matter at 5 years old. Idk why we got to where women can wear pants but men can't wear high heels (aside from why anyone would want to torture themselves like that lol). Stop worrying about men do this and women do that, acknowledge the basic chromosome differences and move on.
And sorry, but if you've got an outtie, please pee with the other outties.
As for sports, it's evolution that men are typically stronger. Keep it to where your chromosomes say you're on an even playing field
True.
“Johnny wants to wear a dress and Susie plays with toy cars? If we don't say ones a girl thing and ones a boy thing, they're just things, then it doesn't matter at 5 years old. Idk why we got to where women can wear pants but men can't wear high heels (aside from why anyone would want to torture themselves like that lol). Stop worrying about men do this and women do that, acknowledge the basic chromosome differences and move on. “
True. maybe some conservatives think that blurring the lines between male and female and traditional gender roles might lead to an unbalanced, dysfunctional world of some sort ? :/ i dunno. my dad is this type.
he still hasn’t fully accepted that i’m bi (about to marry a guy in the near future) but he said he’ll let me “off the hook” (his words) as long as i’m fulfilling traditional male roles in society.
he says he will disown me if i act like “one of those woke extremists” (again, his words)
(for example, like, shouting from the rooftops that i’m bi, or attending gay pride parades shirtless or waving the rainbow flag at lgbtq protests…)
i wasn’t planning on doing any of those things…i don’t like being in crowded places anyway…and i don’t really like having my business out there…i only tell ppl i’m bi online….not so much in real life…:/
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I agree, I think both sides react like threatened animals, lunging at what they perceive as a danger.
I was raised in a rather eclectic mix of opinions. One side taught me not to fear things just because they're different, one side felt rather the opposite. I chose no fear. Granted, I had family members who were gay/lesbian back before it was "cool" and just accepted it because no one said I shouldn't (as a small child, later because I saw absolutely no harm ever came from it so I knew there was literally nothing to fear). No one really pointed out that's what was going on, just uncle sonso brought a guy to holidays with him (long term relationship before gay marriage was legal, but his partner was just another "uncle", same as if he was straight his wife would have been an aunt). No need to fuss, it just was.
Lol I have several gay, lesbian and bi friends and only 1 reaalllkyyy likes to out it out there. But he lives to be the center of attention. Otherwise, except that they have same sex partners, you'd not know the others were not straight. I mean, I don't go around yelling about my sexual preferences, I don't see why they want to either. They do them, I do me, it's all good. I get protests for equal rights to marry, or for health coverage, or as a health proxy. But I don't get why anyone wants to just go around announcing it just because, except for the attention factor (I've also discussed this at length with a couple friends who are lesbian/bi and they feel the same).
I'm sorry your dad is having difficulty accepting your relationship. It sounds like he's really torn between his beliefs and his love for you (the letting you off the hook thing).click to expand
yeah i feel the same way…:/
there’s no need to draw unnecessary attention to ourselves by parading our sexual orientations around. you’re only inviting more drama, unsolicited commentary, and possibly hate crime. :/
most people (regardless if they’re gay or not) just wanna enjoy their partner/relationship in peace, away from prying eyes.
also my dad said i was the least rebellious out of all his sons and gave him the least trouble during my teen years so that’s one of the reasons he let me off the hook 😅
Posted by LadyNeptunePosted by serenidadPosted by LadyNeptunei’m gonna be honest, i don’t know. :/Posted by serenidadPosted by LadyNeptune
Do you believe that a parent has the right to choose for their child?
to what extent ?
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To all extents. But for the sake of the topic of hand I will rephrase.
Do you believe a parent has the right to choose their children's education and medical treatment?
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i feel like parents should intervene when the child is in danger of some sort.
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Do you believe that you have the right to dictate the medical decisions and education choices that another parent makes on behalf of their child?click to expand
no, i don’t have a right to tell other parents to wait until their kid is at least 19-20 or something to let him/her undergo transgender surgery but i wish they would wait until the kid is absolutely sure and knows the long term consequences well. :/
cuz there have been cases where kids have later regretted getting the treatments/surgery.
Posted by Prince_PiscesPosted by serenidadPosted by Findingbalance“Although tbh if no one makes a fuss kids would probably just accept it anyway because they don't know it's something to fuss over unless someone tells them to.”
Teaching as in saying it exists, ok, sure. Hard to avoid knowing about but I don't see a problem with acknowledging it's existence. Chrissy can have two moms and Joey can have two dads and that's OK. Although tbh if no one makes a fuss kids would probably just accept it anyway because they don't know it's something to fuss over unless someone tells them to.
Beyond that, I agree with you.
Aside from the basics of sex, which doesn't belong in young age classrooms, what child should be associating with it? I mean really, if we do away with stereotypes based on chromosomes, it becomes a mute point beyond sex. Johnny wants to wear a dress and Susie plays with toy cars? If we don't say ones a girl thing and ones a boy thing, they're just things, then it doesn't matter at 5 years old. Idk why we got to where women can wear pants but men can't wear high heels (aside from why anyone would want to torture themselves like that lol). Stop worrying about men do this and women do that, acknowledge the basic chromosome differences and move on.
And sorry, but if you've got an outtie, please pee with the other outties.
As for sports, it's evolution that men are typically stronger. Keep it to where your chromosomes say you're on an even playing field
True.
“Johnny wants to wear a dress and Susie plays with toy cars? If we don't say ones a girl thing and ones a boy thing, they're just things, then it doesn't matter at 5 years old. Idk why we got to where women can wear pants but men can't wear high heels (aside from why anyone would want to torture themselves like that lol). Stop worrying about men do this and women do that, acknowledge the basic chromosome differences and move on. “
True. maybe some conservatives think that blurring the lines between male and female and traditional gender roles might lead to an unbalanced, dysfunctional world of some sort ? :/ i dunno. my dad is this type.
he still hasn’t fully accepted that i’m bi (about to marry a guy in the near future) but he said he’ll let me “off the hook” (his words) as long as i’m fulfilling traditional male roles in society.
he says he will disown me if i act like “one of those woke extremists” (again, his words)
(for example, like, shouting from the rooftops that i’m bi, or attending gay pride parades shirtless or waving the rainbow flag at lgbtq protests…)
i wasn’t planning on doing any of those things…i don’t like being in crowded places anyway…and i don’t really like having my business out there…i only tell ppl i’m bi online….not so much in real life…:/
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Your dad sounds insecure and fragile. Is that the 'traditional male role' he speaks of? 🤭click to expand
he’s a rigid capricorn man in his late 50s who believes being gay is unnatural and some sort of an untreated psychological condition (a temporary phase, so to speak) 😅
Posted by MonaLisa26Posted by Astrobyn
Since I moved my kid to California and put her in school this topic came up a lot with people around me
We do live in a conservative part of the state, and I know lots of parents that forgo the public school option with this issue being one of their top reasons.
But there are two main misconceptions about this... I will be notified before hand and I can still opt out.
I'm not concerned, because my kid gets her sex education from me. My 5 year old knows what a period is, what happens, and why it happens. She knows that when a man wears makeup, its because god gave "HIM" that body and "HE" can decorate it anyway "HE" wants.
Make no mistake about it, schools are there to indoctrinate your children and push whatever agenda that will turn them to to compliant slaves to power. This specific topic isn't even my biggest concern. Teach your own kids.
With all the respect how will you explain if HE is She or It or whatever else is THEY…
Not long ago at new job at the meeting I said ‘Emma gave it to me and she said…’ when my co-worker lesbian said loudly - ‘THEY’ and I said no, Angie wasn’t there, Emma was alone…and THERE it hit me that Emma is THEY…
How TF am I supposed to know what everyone ARE? I am still not sure…what Emma is?
I refuse to participate in madness!!!
So am I a bad person now?
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even as a bi guy, i don’t get the whole “she/her, him/his, they/them” fiasco lol
whenever i hear someone say “they/them”, i’m squinting my eyes like
them? where? like, is there an invisible person with you that i’m not aware of ?? 😂 😂
Posted by saggurl88
There was a post on social media where they hung a rainbow flag at an elementary school instead of the united states flag.
I would rather them teach young kids living skills and about finances, then who they will choose as a partner later on in life.
Just let the kids be kids and keep any political agendas out of elementary schools.
There seems to be too much pressure on young kids in general about everything.
“I would rather them teach young kids living skills and about finances, then who they will choose as a partner later on in life.”
so true. i just feel like there are more important things in life than who someone chooses to date/sleep with/marry or which gender someone decides to be later on in life when their brains have fully developed.
kids should be more focused on becoming independent, well-rounded, resourceful, problem solving, communication skills, stress management, logical thinking, knowledge about finances, developing life skills that are important regardless if you’re trans or not.
:/
the trans thing can wait until they’re older and can think more logically.
and like findingbalance said, it’s mind boggling how things even got to this point, where people are even fussing over things like sexuality and even feeling the need to bring it to kindergarten and elementary schools, library reading time etc
schools don’t even approach bullying with the same intensity and urgency :/ and bullying is a much bigger critical issue
it’s affecting way more kids than this lgbtq/trans issue is.
Posted by LostthoughtsPosted by Lostthoughts
I have yet to read A ACTUAL example of indoctrination of sexuality.
I have read that different sexualities are mentioned. Some people this some people that. Which is completely normal for general sex ed.
Most of what you see in media is actually heavy rhetoric and fear mongering in order to stir up controversy that isn't there.
If you think about it children learning about different sexualities in 5-6 grade doesn't make a difference no matter how you look at it. If you say nothing someone, will still experiment based on their attractions later in life....but with a lot less understanding of what they are doing.
Any history buff outside of grade school education, knows how much LGBTQ stuff has been going on behind closed doors for thousands of years. Honestly it's about time we acknowledge it and deal with this aspect of human nature.
Next time you read about some media controversy, actually take the time to apply some critical thinking about the topic and research the examples they give. You will find quite a lot of bullshit and straight lying.
Most of our news has devolved into tabloid style journalism for ratings and clicks.
P.S. Scratch that, there are still solid examples of sexual indoctrination. Gay conversion camps still around.click to expand
yeah i guess it’s good that things are coming out in the open and progressive discussions are being had, but i dunno about bringing impressionable little kids into this :/
why can’t they wait until they’re at least somewhat able to think logically? age 13 and beyond
confusing little kids doesn’t seem like fair game to me :/
i heard so many different opinions on here that i dunno what’s best for kids lol 😅
thank you to each and every one of you for weighing in.
thank you to each and every one of you for weighing in.
social topics was always boring for me as a kid along with history. only palatable in movies/tv shows.
i was more into literature and chemistry.
if it were me, meh whatever it's just gonna be one of those boring classes.
i was more into literature and chemistry.
if it were me, meh whatever it's just gonna be one of those boring classes.
Posted by Prince_PiscesPosted by MonaLisa26Posted by serenidadThat is exactly what religion was doing. Keeping people from killing each other while religious fanatics were killed those they found need to be killed.Posted by LadyNeptune
Question. Are you equally unsettled by the indoctrination of children into religion?
yes, deeply unsettled. i feel like religion was created to make huge crowds of people more controllable….also making money from hefty donations….or maybe it was created so people could get through hard times or make sense of incomprehensible tragic life events…
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With LGB…I am SO not sure WTF is that!
It’s growing. And what seemed to be a few becoming a legion!
I believe that most of them are those who couldn’t find love among their opposite sex NOW trying to find acceptance elsewhere…
My biggest concern is that WHY are they even matter? They do NOT procreate. They are USELESS!!! for the future of the humanity they ARE IN FACT USELESS!!!
So now go ahead - tell me I am wrong. I don’t care. One they they will grab your asses and make you procreate for them! As lab rats. I’ll be dead by then. Thanks God!
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why is there a need to confuse little kids who are still impressionable…? :/ why is there such a sense of emergency surrounding this whole trans/lgbtq thing ?
2)i could be wrong but i was under the impression that if a kid is gay, les, bi, or trans, he/she will most likely figure it out on their own without anyone’s help or prompting. at least that was the case for me personally….i barely knew anything about lgbtq in my childhood or even early teenage years but i just kinda realized on my own that i was bi…
is there a need to confuse little kids who will eventually figure out on their own if they’re lgbtq or not ?
i understand that discrimination was and is still an issue and we definitely have come a long way thanks to the people who have raised their voices regarding lgbtq but i feel like bombarding kids with this info should be off-limits….:/ just because i think it will only confuse them or give them stress.
3)i read that transgender treatments and surgeries bring in big bucks for Pharma….could that possibly be the reason for the sense of emergency surrounding this movement? :/
what are your thoughts about this ?
also, discussions about transgender people being allowed in bathrooms of their preference? (meaning a man can go into a woman’s bathroom if they say they’re transgender…and stuff like that) ?
this seems unsettling to me as well because it could easily be abused by the wrong people with bad intentions….:/
also a man competing as a woman in the woman’s olympics and just strange stuff like that….:/
i wanna hear some thoughts because i might just be overthinking it….:/ ? like, sticking my nose where it doesn’t belong ?:/