Things about space that bother me.

There are a few things about space that really bother me.

Its easy to understand at first. You have the earth, and our moon and everything else in our solar system. Things we can easily see through a telescope. No problems there. Then you zoom out more and you see the stars closest to us. Ok, we can see them in the night sky, so its easy to grasp. But then you zoom out more and realize the stars we see at night are like 5% of the whole milky way galaxy. Which by itself has more stars and planets then grains of sand on planet earth. Then you zoom out even farther, and see other galaxies. But that is just a small gathering of galaxies in the virgo supercluster. Which is just a spec of dust in the entire "observable" universe. Yet we don't even know everything in our ocean yet. Yet we can *see* the observable universe.

It makes no sense whatsoever. It's fun to think about, but humans are simply too dumb to know any of that. It's proof that all of it is a lie, or there is truly advanced alien influence within our cultures.

What do you think?

Posted by bumboklatt

well everything is perceived following a line of thought that we learn or know as humans

what if the actual empty space thinks the same about the planets

maybe the empty space sees the planets as voids

perception

I do like philosophy, but really all I want is a scientist to prove me wrong. As unlikely as that will be.

I just want to know where information comes from. Science is all about facts, but where is the fact that humans can actually observe the universe? Did people get that idea from random people who could word it nicely, or fancy well drawn out images? Is there a mathematical equation? How many actually seen it for themselves though?

All I ever get is "Hubble seen it so it must be true." But has anyone actually seen it for themselves, or just *heard* that it was scientific fact?

I refuse to believe we don't know the mysteries of our own ocean, and we can't solve civil dispute in the world, but we can see what is know as the observable universe.

Posted by Arielle83

Are u a flat earthier?

Hell no. I've flown on planes enough to know the shape of the earth. We live in a 3rd dimensional world. Everything around us is 3 dimensional and spherical.

Those type of things are obvious. My question is how can humans see what is described as the observable universe.

Is there factual evidence to back it up, or is it all just theory.

I believe we can see the solar system. I view it from my telescope all the time. I also believe we can somewhat see our galaxy. Nut outside of that it gets a bit farfetched imo.

I think we are making things a bit more complicated than we really should with space.



To explore out there I deeply feel we should be going inward.

I would suggest anyone willing to explore space to explore OBE.

And if one does not believe in out of body experiences then why

not just experiment. Read Robert Monroe and see where it takes you.

Use such techniques to influence it. Visit people while out of body and see.

Using low density bodies to explore things that are light years away...

The aliens that are coming here and ones that are already here

are not using fossil fuel. Things most likely having to

do with their level of awareness and maybe changing

their frequency to match a separate location.

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Posted by Soul

Posted by bumboklatt

well everything is perceived following a line of thought that we learn or know as humans

what if the actual empty space thinks the same about the planets

maybe the empty space sees the planets as voids

perception

I do like philosophy, but really all I want is a scientist to prove me wrong. As unlikely as that will be.

I just want to know where information comes from. Science is all about facts, but where is the fact that humans can actually observe the universe? Did people get that idea from random people who could word it nicely, or fancy well drawn out images? Is there a mathematical equation? How many actually seen it for themselves though?

All I ever get is "Hubble seen it so it must be true." But has anyone actually seen it for themselves, or just *heard* that it was scientific fact?

I refuse to believe we don't know the mysteries of our own ocean, and we can't solve civil dispute in the world, but we can see what is know as the observable universe.

yeah thats where belief comes in

i like to believe because to me its freedom to create

i know what youre saying

its like when history channel comes on and I hear "20,000 years ago" and my dad says "how do they know if they werent even there" lol

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I get frustrated with humans trying to give an explanation to the past just as much.

So many act like its scientific fact, but no one actually observed it so how the hell can it be scientific fact? Its just a guess at best. Like dinosaurs are scientific fact. We can observe them. Well their fossils at least. But what killed them is pure assumption. There ks no true fact to back up anything. Just well worded theory.

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Posted by bumboklatt

well everything is perceived following a line of thought that we learn or know as humans

what if the actual empty space thinks the same about the planets

maybe the empty space sees the planets as voids

perception

I do like philosophy, but really all I want is a scientist to prove me wrong. As unlikely as that will be.

I just want to know where information comes from. Science is all about facts, but where is the fact that humans can actually observe the universe? Did people get that idea from random people who could word it nicely, or fancy well drawn out images? Is there a mathematical equation? How many actually seen it for themselves though?

All I ever get is "Hubble seen it so it must be true." But has anyone actually seen it for themselves, or just *heard* that it was scientific fact?

I refuse to believe we don't know the mysteries of our own ocean, and we can't solve civil dispute in the world, but we can see what is know as the observable universe.

yeah thats where belief comes in

i like to believe because to me its freedom to create

i know what youre saying

its like when history channel comes on and I hear "20,000 years ago" and my dad says "how do they know if they werent even there" lol

I get frustrated with humans trying to give an explanation to the past just as much.

So many act like its scientific fact, but no one actually observed it so how the hell can it be scientific fact? Its just a guess at best.

haha yeah and dont forget that many of that stuff is propaganda

and i know as a fellow Scorpio moon you are paranoid about these things as well

but it just fuels our investigative efforts

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I could cop out right now and explain why everything we know is just a simulation, but I wont lol 😂

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We do know allot about oceans, it's just not very exciting so you don't hear about it. Meanwhile we can just look at things far away is space because there is nothing in space so light can travel for eons. There is allot of complicated math involved in astronomy that my pleb brain can't possibly seek to comprehend, weather these people are right or wrong about allot of it, they are right about it being bloody huge.

ocean mysteries are usually just about creatures that dwell deep down, some others theorized to have descended from dinosaurs or something..

We have been to the deepest point in the ocean. We study life forms in super heated water from volcanic vents. It's not easy to go down there, it's entirely another planet down there, bigger that what's on the surface. We also know that there is micro organisms living in the earth crusts, deep below the surface. Enough of them to cover the entire surface of the earth 10ft deep in sludge.

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Great! That seems like scientific fact.

Now how the hell can humans see the observable universe like i mentioned?

Keep in mind the milky way galaxy has more stars and planets then grains of sand on the earth, and there are trillions of galaxies in the observable universe as they say.

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We do know allot about oceans, it's just not very exciting so you don't hear about it. Meanwhile we can just look at things far away is space because there is nothing in space so light can travel for eons. There is allot of complicated math involved in astronomy that my pleb brain can't possibly seek to comprehend, weather these people are right or wrong about allot of it, they are right about it being bloody huge.

ocean mysteries are usually just about creatures that dwell deep down, some others theorized to have descended from dinosaurs or something..

We have been to the deepest point in the ocean. We study life forms in super heated water from volcanic vents. It's not easy to go down there, it's entirely another planet down there, bigger that what's on the surface. We also know that there is micro organisms living in the earth crusts, deep below the surface. Enough of them to cover the entire surface of the earth 10ft deep in sludge.

Great! That seems like scientific fact.

Now how the hell can humans see the observable universe like i mentioned?

Keep in mind the milky way galaxy has more stars and planets then grains of sand on the earth, and there are trillions of galaxies in the observable universe as they say.

Very sensitive Instruments that pick up radiation. They show up the same as what observable stars show up on these instruments, only further away.

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Our best which is Voyager 1 (released in 1977) isn't even very far outside the solar system yet. And will stop working in a few years.

I just don't believe there is any technology that could accurately judge that type of thing. Not yet at least.

Unless we were granted the gift of of intelligence outside our planet.

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We do know allot about oceans, it's just not very exciting so you don't hear about it. Meanwhile we can just look at things far away is space because there is nothing in space so light can travel for eons. There is allot of complicated math involved in astronomy that my pleb brain can't possibly seek to comprehend, weather these people are right or wrong about allot of it, they are right about it being bloody huge.

ocean mysteries are usually just about creatures that dwell deep down, some others theorized to have descended from dinosaurs or something..

It isn't that simple... Imagine creatures living deep down somewhere like the Mariana Trench where the pressure is so high and studying about life in that abyss??

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Or even if there is lifeforms living below the thick ice of Jupiters moon Europa for that matter.

Thats my point. We don't even know the realm of our own planet let alone the solar system. Yet humans think they can see the *observable universe*

I’m confused as to where your confusion lies. You do understand that Hubble is a telescope right? And you do understand that telescopes magnify items in the distance correct? So what’s so hard to believe about the phrase “observable universe”? Hubble is a telescope MANY MANY magnitudes more powerful than your common backyard variety and it also doesn’t have the added issue of focusing through a planetary atmosphere. So the statement that we can see the observable universe is in fact, fact. The word “observable” indicates that the view is limited. No one is claiming they can see everything or even details of some distant galaxy.

I don’t know where your issue lies unless you’re one of those flat-earth people who assume everything, including science itself, is a lie.

I don't understand this thread. Well there is probably no meaning to be made, it's probably just a "let's talk" thread.

A lot of what scientists believe is wrong, but knowledge is an instrumentalization of wrongness.

You probably already know about it, but If you don't, google about the "Hubble deep field", it could blow your mind.

It's crazy that we know more about the perpetual universe than we do our own ocean. The Universe is so much larger but it has been here longer than the Earth so it has more history regardless of size. However based on that prospective, we weren't here long enough to even magnify that history so we should have more knowledge of what is thousands of miles within the ocean since we've experienced it longer.

Posted by Soul

There are a few things about space that really bother me.

Its easy to understand at first. You have the earth, and our moon and everything else in our solar system. Things we can easily see through a telescope. No problems there. Then you zoom out more and you see the stars closest to us. Ok, we can see them in the night sky, so its easy to grasp. But then you zoom out more and realize the stars we see at night are like 5% of the whole milky way galaxy. Which by itself has more stars and planets then grains of sand on planet earth. Then you zoom out even farther, and see other galaxies. But that is just a small gathering of galaxies in the virgo supercluster. Which is just a spec of dust in the entire "observable" universe. Yet we don't even know everything in our ocean yet. Yet we can *see* the observable universe.

It makes no sense whatsoever. It's fun to think about, but humans are simply too dumb to know any of that. It's proof that all of it is a lie, or there is truly advanced alien influence within our cultures.

What do you think?

It took us a looooooooong time to see as much we can today. And they're still working on new ways to see more (infrared and laser technology proved to be the biggest breakthroughs in past decades). The thing is... space is the future. And that's why people - will always be interested in new ways to discover more and more (as much as possible). As for the studies involving the ocean... beyond the practical side (resources like oil and fish - though, there's more interest for its surface) - is seen more as a hobby.

Which does make a lot of sense. Let me put it this way... there's lots of people that live near a lake - which is not even that deep (incomparable with the depth of the ocean). Some of this people swimed or fished in that lake - but that's all there is to it (that's how much they wanted to know about it). On the other hand... they know a lot of stuff about faraway places - even foreign places they never visited (and maybe never will). Simply because that stuff was more interesting - and learning about it as much as possible - seemed even useful. Compared to the bottom of their local lake. It's same with space and why it peaks our interest - more than the bottom of the ocean.

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Posted by Arachnophobia

We are aliens. We travel through space while everything else on earth eats grass or chases things that eat grass.

I think humans can be considered among those that chases things that eat grass, considering how popular meat consumption still is.

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I think in the large scale of things balance is best. Also not wasting resources.

Life in general has to eat other life to remain alive. Even those that eat plants are still killing a living thing. A plant was born, started small, grew up, then died. I just doesn't happen to have a face. Majority of all the life on earth doesn't have a face though. I know tons of people don't like the idea of killing animals, but if we didn't they would overpopulate and hurt the life of other creatures. Like if we didn't hunt deer, they would eat all the flora and smaller animals like rabbits and squirrel would suffer. Deer forage for food at all times, and eat stuff like tree saplings which could potentially create nuts and acorns.

On this planet killing things is necessary. We killed off tons of wolves and bears because they were too dangerous. Now the deer have no natural predator. To keep a balance in nature we have to kill some off. We don't really have to eat it, but waste nothing. If you kill it from nature you must eat it.

As for farm animals on a conveyor belt thats pretty messed up. Its kind of funny though we don't mind doing the same to plants, because again they dont have a face lol. A life, but not a face. And to think the creature with the most complex looking face either requests for their corpse to be burned upon death, or sealed in an air tight casket. So everything they were is wasted, and the flora and fauna can't thrive off it the exact same way we thrived off them for the entirety of our life.

WAIT....

WHAT ABOUT OTHER OCEANS IN THE UNIVERSE—

Earth had a particulary good fase for life, maybe its Cancer, that will end someday, when all ingridients flow away. I believe this urge to find life outthere is not without purpose. We are the aliens :p