This is why i HATE the police

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-burge-million-dollar-settlement-20130719,0,7128539.story<BR>
Another former inmate has reached a proposed multimillion-dollar settlement with the city of Chicago after spending years in prison after being beaten into confessing by detectives working under disgraced former police Cmdr. Jon Burge.

Roderick Drew, a spokesman for the city's Law Department, confirmed that the City Council Finance Committee is set to vote Friday on the $ 10 million settlement for Eric Caine, who was released from state prison in 2011 after serving 25 years for a double murder he did not commit.

The Caine settlement would bring the tab on Burge cases to nearly $ 70 million when legal fees are counted. So far this year, police misconduct lawsuits overall have cost the city at least $ 54 million.

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and for those that don't know, this former police chief name Jon Burge was responsible for using torture to get confessions out of at least 200 criminal suspects between 1972 and 1991..

we have countless stories of people going to prison for crimes they didn't commit, so much so that gov pat quinn abolished the death penalty because of it..just look at this case for example

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/08/illinois-death-penalty-ab_n_833250.html<BR>
Doubts about Illinois' death penalty grew steadily throughout the 1990s with each revelation of a person wrongly sentenced to die — people like Anthony Porter.

Porter had ordered his last meal and even been fitted for burial clothes when, just 48 hours before his execution, lawyers won a stay to study the question of whether he was mentally capable of killing. That provided time for a group of Northwestern University students to gather information proving Porter's innocence.

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its plenty of stories like this all across the states..and you wonder why we react the way we do anytime we hear or see blatant injustices being committed by crooked ass cops & wannabe cops
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Posted by AriesIntrovert16
Not all police officers are bad.. Yes, the legal system has it's injustices but there are good cops out there who look out for people and do the right thing. Don't hate all cops.. What happens if you ever get hurt? Or something bad happens to a family member of yours? Who are you going to call, a crackhead?

Not everyone is out to get you, relax.




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yeah thats crazy because i went thru a similar situation last year.

me and my gf was pulled over in the suburbs for no reason at all..my gf was driving,so they asked for her driver's license & insurance,she gave it to him, and for no reason, he asked for my i.d too..i told him i didn't have it on me, so he asked me to get out the car, i did and asked him why was he harrassing me..dude got offended and said "well,since you don't have i.d,i could instead just take you in to the station,but i'm not, so its no need to start talking like a lawyer to me" i was ready to make a scene, but the situation was so petty that i just left it alone, told him my info, and we ended up leaving without incident

i guess if you're black, it's illegal to not have i.d on you or something
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the police don't protect you from anything, 1st off..anytime a crime is committed, the police come after the fact..

and if you never been through what me, and countless other people have been thru regarding this subject, then you can't relate and only speak from the outside looking in, so its no point of conversing with you about this topic..especially if you're a asian from canada,lol..

anyway,black people have had issues with the police since slavery was abolished..so saying that the police do what they do because of how we act is a flat out lie..just look at Rosewood for example..

and locking innocent people up for decades for crimes they didn't commit (which what the topic of this thread is about)DEFINITELY doesn't help black people & police relations,at all

if any of you got accused and convicted of a crime you didn't commit & sent to prison, i'm sure you'd be singing a different tune also..but like i said before..most of you just can't relate

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Posted by DonJohnson
what's stopping mexican cartels and your local crime lords from walking into your front door taking everything you have?

The threat of the law keeps you and your family safe. Period. The fact that the police, FOR THE MOST PART, are still doing their jobs. BUT it's a thankless job.



mexican cartels are organizations thats based on moving cocaine & making money..they're not trying to "take everything you have",smh..you sound like some suburban old lady

and until the police start handling crime like they did in the minority report,then they can never keep you completely safe,ever.
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Posted by DonJohnson
what's stopping mexican cartels and your local crime lords from walking into your front door taking everything you have?

The threat of the law keeps you and your family safe. Period. The fact that the police, FOR THE MOST PART, are still doing their jobs. BUT it's a thankless job.



mexican cartels are organizations thats based on moving cocaine & making money..they're not trying to "take everything you have",smh..you sound like some suburban old lady

and until the police start handling crime like they did in the minority report,then they can never keep you completely safe,ever.
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All the reason for owning a gun. Why? Because cops have guns. IF they didn't, the one-on-one fighting odds are more even.

Ok, who do drugs? X% of people of all races and of all income levels (legal and illegal). Undisputed fact.
Now... Who break into houses? X% of people of all races and of all income levels. Undisputed fact.
Now... Why do people burglarize other people's homes and steal purses and cars? Money, among other possible reasons.

But why? One reason a house is broken into, is to support a drug habit. - that is indisputable.
Now... that addict robs a home or liquor store, he goes to the dealer and buys his bag of joy.
Now... he know that every robbery is a risky proposition. So he get a gun if things go down bad, and he feels the need, he shoot. Depends on the state of his intelligence.
SO.... drugs require money and money require risk and risk require gun and gun require brain,
and brain require intelligence. The tough part in all this is that the drug messes up the brain. But then... one must consider the intelligence of the person possessing the brain. IF the brain lacks intelligence and IF there is no hope for intelligence to return. Then... it don't matter anymore if
that brain continues to live. -
Drugs are stupid! Drugs ruins lives, someone dies and someone buys a fancy new tie.

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Don't hate the whole police force because of the few rotten apples. Don't hate the white people because of the few rotten apples, likewise also, don't hate black people because of the few rotten apples.

The right thing to do is to direct that hate toward the rotten apples.

Damien, your avatar is a "wannabe" bad ass. - big difference between that and men who are DISCIPLINED and TRAINED to fight a REAL War.
In this case, Jon Burge was a decorated US Army Vietnam War Veteran. His violence is steeped in
the world of his time. We have to remember that the US doesn't really give a damn about ANYONE.
When it comes to the military, it's a dictatorship. Soldiers and Marines are trained to kill
in hand to hand combat. Civility is rooted OUT of the man who once lived in it. - this is a psychological problem that many if not all mil. personnel are dealt with, when they are reintroduced
back in to civilian society. The Military doesn't do a great job at psychologically UN-TRAINING the warrior prior to honorable discharge. It's basically "thank you and have a nice day, asshole".
IF there's anyone you should be directing your anger at, it's the corrupt politicians and big business
that allow, foster, and encourage this kind of uncivilized behavior on the part of the law enforcement.
Another place to direct your anger at, is yourself, your parents for NOT teaching you to respect the laws of common sense which, in turn, would have caused you to understand the true nature of the problem so you and others can go about correcting them, for your own future, in the right way.

Don't misunderstand, I am NOT telling you to not hate what he did. What I am telling you is learn WHY
he did what he did. So the same mistake don't happen again. - remember, there ARE fresh Vets who have
entered a new generation of Law Enforcement psychology. Someone, somewhere is bound to become corrupt and when the scandal breaks, the liberal media will blow it out of proportion beyond all recognition to get a rise out of the people. - Irrational Emotionalism doesn't NOT make for fact. Fact makes for fact and reality is only Impartial Rationalization can look at the facts and draw it's own conclusions.
Don't judge a book by it's cover, but by it's content. Each situation is different.
Don't let Liberals tell you how to think. Think for yourself. Don't be a psychological slave. Think for yourself!


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your complete ignorance of what my avatar is yet another example as to why i don't converse with people like you about certain topics

And since you want facts,here's some more for you


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/21/us/21iht-letter21.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0<BR>

It seems clear that the U.S. penal system discriminates against minorities. Some of this is socioeconomic, as poorer people, disproportionately blacks and Hispanics, may commit more crimes.

Much of the inmate explosion and racial disparities, however, grow out of the way the United States treats illegal drugs. It began several decades ago with harsher penalties for crimes involving crack cocaine, which was more widely used by blacks, than powder cocaine, which was more likely to involve whites. A larger issue is how the U.S. criminal justice system differentiates in its treatment of drug sellers — who get the book thrown at them — versus drug users, who, at most, get a slap on the wrist.

A hypothetical example: A black kid is arrested for selling cocaine to the members of a fraternity at an elite university. The seller gets sent away for 25 years. The fraternity is put on probation for a semester by the university and nothing else.

In all likelihood, the convicted seller is quickly replaced, and few of the fraternity kids change their drug-use habits. The lesson: neither the supply nor the demand has changed, and the prison population grows.
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Posted by DAMEN VI
your complete ignorance of what my avatar is yet another example as to why i don't converse with people like you about certain topics

And since you want facts,here's some more for you


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/21/us/21iht-letter21.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0<BR>

It seems clear that the U.S. penal system discriminates against minorities. Some of this is socioeconomic, as poorer people, disproportionately blacks and Hispanics, may commit more crimes.

Much of the inmate explosion and racial disparities, however, grow out of the way the United States treats illegal drugs. It began several decades ago with harsher penalties for crimes involving crack cocaine, which was more widely used by blacks, than powder cocaine, which was more likely to involve whites. A larger issue is how the U.S. criminal justice system differentiates in its treatment of drug sellers — who get the book thrown at them — versus drug users, who, at most, get a slap on the wrist.

A hypothetical example: A black kid is arrested for selling cocaine to the members of a fraternity at an elite university. The seller gets sent away for 25 years. The fraternity is put on probation for a semester by the university and nothing else.

In all likelihood, the convicted seller is quickly replaced, and few of the fraternity kids change their drug-use habits. The lesson: neither the supply nor the demand has changed, and the prison population grows.



You haven't figured it out, yet, have you?!?!??
Your hypothetical Black kid was stupid.
There's a thing called LAW. And.... if you break it, you go to jail.
IF you can't do the time, then, don't do the crime.

What's the difference between a dealer and a user?
Dealers & Users are plenty because stupidity is plenty.
Stupidity is plenty because it is ENABLED. When you enable stupidity,
it grows, multiplies and spreads like a magical psychedelic Easter bunny.
Hop, hop wave. Hop, hop wave.

Make no mistake, I am VERY aware of the corruption at all levels in
Government but the law is the law and there for a reason. I am VERY
aware of people who have been put away for crimes they didn't commit
and people who should have had the book thrown at 'em, drawn and quartered
for an example for all to live by.

Continued
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For what it's worth, IF there was a death penalty for dealin' and the government
meant business, you'd better believe the BS would end at all levels of government
and in the streets. - What you need to understand is that the government isn't serious
about anything but power and fortune. They allow the drugs to flow, and like you said,
when a dealer is caught, another will take his/her place. - THEY KNOW this. That's why
penalties are the way they are. - It's all a racket.

They want to privatize the prisons. Why? There's money to be made. You think the prison pop
is bad now, imagine an industry that pays by the head.
It would be a politician's dream to have privatized law enforcement and prison system.